Let's stop the physics arguments, the smartest fucking guy* that ever lived
Anton Berlin
http://mysree.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/elsa-einstein.jpg
But for what it's worth tried to nail her daughter first.
*Apologies to Henri Poincaré
RicodJour
I wouldn't put Einstein in the top ten. His wife - top three.
R
Anton Berlin
There's no proof his first wife was anything more than a sounding
board.
Where's your list? This could be a good thread for RBR////
RicodJour
> On Nov 11, 12:07 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 12:00 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > picked this woman.
>
> > >http://mysree.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/elsa-einstein.jpg
>
> > > But for what it's worth tried to nail her daughter first.
>
> > > *Apologies to Henri Poincaré
>
> > I wouldn't put Einstein in the top ten. His wife - top three.
>
>
> board.
>
> Where's your list? This could be a good thread for RBR////
No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in smarts, and his wife wasn't top
three in hotness. Are you blind? You know you posted her picture
just to get people all hot and bothered!
R
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
> On Nov 11, 10:53 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 12:07 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 11, 12:00 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > picked this woman.
>
> > > >http://mysree.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/elsa-einstein.jpg
>
> > > > But for what it's worth tried to nail her daughter first.
>
> > > > *Apologies to Henri Poincaré
>
> > > I wouldn't put Einstein in the top ten. His wife - top three.
>
> > There's no proof his first wife was anything more than a sounding
> > board.
>
> > Where's your list? This could be a good thread for RBR////
>
> No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in smarts,
Dumbass -
What's your definition of "smarts"?
As for achievements: the only people I can think of whose achievements
changed the worldview of science more than Einstein were Newton and
Darwin.
thanks,
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
z
> picked this woman.
>
> http://mysree.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/elsa-einstein.jpg
>
> But for what it's worth tried to nail her daughter first.
>
Just the opposite of Anquetil
>
>
> *Apologies to Henri Poincar�
Paul B. Anders
I want to hear RJ's top 10! I hope it includes Marilyn Vos Savant.
Brad Anders
z
> On Nov 11, 10:00 am, "Kurgan. presented by Gringioni."
> <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 11, 8:08 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 10:53 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 11, 12:07 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 11, 12:00 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> picked this woman.
>>>>>> http://mysree.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/elsa-einstein.jpg
>>>>>> But for what it's worth tried to nail her daughter first.
>>>>> I wouldn't put Einstein in the top ten. His wife - top three.
>>>> There's no proof his first wife was anything more than a sounding
>>>> board.
>>>> Where's your list? This could be a good thread for RBR////
>>> No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in smarts,
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> What's your definition of "smarts"?
>>
>> As for achievements: the only people I can think of whose achievements
>> changed the worldview of science more than Einstein were Newton and
>> Darwin.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
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> I want to hear RJ's top 10! I hope it includes Marilyn Vos Savant.
>
> Brad Anders
>
RJ Clarification needed:
Are you referring to Renaldo Jeremiah, RicodJour, or Ron Jeremy?
RicodJour
<kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 8:08 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in smarts,
>
> Dumbass -
>
> What's your definition of "smarts"?
Smarts is what people get after they are edjyamacated.
> As for achievements: the only people I can think of whose achievements
> changed the worldview of science more than Einstein were Newton and
> Darwin.
You limit your worldview to science? How sad. Even sadder is that
you seem to be implying that only science-centered intelligence
counts, and when I say sad I really mean stupid.
R
RicodJour
> Paul B. Anders wrote:
>
> > I want to hear RJ's top 10! I hope it includes Marilyn Vos Savant.
>
> > Brad Anders
>
> RJ Clarification needed:
>
> Are you referring to Renaldo Jeremiah, RicodJour, or Ron Jeremy?
Rick James, bitch!
R
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As for achievements: the only people I can think of whose achievements
>> changed the worldview of science more than Einstein were Newton and
>> Darwin.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
>I want to hear RJ's top 10! I hope it includes Marilyn Vos Savant.
There seems to be a wandering target here in what you are asking.
Marilyn von Savant isn't a trained physicist, has done no original
research and has only the claim of the highest IQ to put her on any
list. Einstein had a major impact in physics, particularly original
research, although from a time line, probably Newton had a greater
impact as Einstein had many contemporaries in physics and parallel
mathematics that probably would have filled in the blanks within a
decade or so. I think no Newton would have taken longer to fix. Just
my opinion.
von Savant studied philosophy, not physics, and she works mostly in
the area of mathematics, with finance being her real job. She's taken
a lot of heat at least twice, so she would fit in rbr fairly well. We
still can't give her a pass on the physics thing, though. And we would
have to stretch the 'fucking guy' category a tad.
My real problem with the Magilla thing, though, was that he kept using
the SAT score as an intelligence measure. It is not intended as such -
it is supposed to be a measure of how fit a student is for college
course work, and the old 1600 point test had weaknesses in that the
language test was underwritten by romance languages (someone that got
through Spanish III and Latin III had a distinct advantage, which
matches the tests intent, I guess) and the math side could be gamed if
you were at a certain level, primarily in that many of the multiple
choice questions could be solved quicker by inspection than by trying
to solve them outright - eliminate one answer by odd/even issues,
check the scalar of another, and you were often down to two possible
selections and only had to solve to the point of choosing between
them. Reading speed also had an inordinate impact on scores. So a fast
reader that enjoyed testing and looked to game answers would score
higher than an equally intelligent person of a different bent of mind.
FWIW, that was the unanimous conclusion of two friends and I after
taking the exams in 1966. They got 1600s - I was the one that missed a
math question. The GMAT got it part right - at least you weren't
allowed to go back and recheck parts of the exam if you finished
early.
And the other problem with the SAT test is it doesn't measure the
impact of discovering real beer on your fitness to do any work at all
in college...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
Fred Fredburger
Dumbass,
Given that the thread is about Einstein, science is a reasonable place
to start.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
Not to mention, the whole title line thing. Mozart never did much for
physics arguments that I am aware of. Piker.
RicodJour
The thread is about the "smartest fucking guy* that ever lived". Not
the greatest scientific mind, the absolute smartest. Don't get me
wrong, I like Einstein just fine, I even have that picture of him
playing the violin on my wall.
http://www.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=3597
Which brings us to the definition of smarts, and my contention, that
if your equation is science = smart, then your results are going to be
skewed to the point of being meaningless.
It also brings into play, as someone mentioned, the time factor. If
Einstein had lived 150 years ago, he wouldn't have come up with
General Relativity. He built on the work of others, then made a leap
- an incorrectly calculated one, that he later corrected - and the
process is continuing. Right now, I don't honestly know how his work
will be regarded - down the road his work might be looked on as
quaint, and akin to figuring out what ails a person based on the Four
Humours.
Leonardo da Vinci would have bitch slapped Einstein in any of a number
of fields, and he wasn't exactly a slouch in his scientific
endeavours. But the smartest person who ever lived was probably
killed as a witch/sorcerer, wouldn't have finished school as they
didn't understand the material*, committed suicide so they wouldn't
have to deal with the fucking idiots that surrounded them or was
simply incapable of functioning in daily life. In all of those events
there would be no lasting record.
There are some human endeavours where there are lasting records,
albeit scarce.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59D0BR20091014
Everyone likes to think they are the culmination of development, just
as everyone thinks they are a good driver, or have a good sense of
humor. That's simply hubris.
R
* http://www.coolrewards.co.uk/images/catalog/Young_Einstein.jpg
Paul B. Anders
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:37:18 -0800 (PST), "Paul B. Anders"
>
> >> As for achievements: the only people I can think of whose achievements
> >> changed the worldview of science more than Einstein were Newton and
> >> Darwin.
>
> >> thanks,
>
> >> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >I want to hear RJ's top 10! I hope it includes Marilyn Vos Savant.
>
> There seems to be a wandering target here in what you are asking.
Not by me. RicodJour said "No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in
smarts...". That's what I'm after, I want the people with the smarts.
IMO, that means you've got to include Savant, Donald Trump, L. Ron
Hubbard, etc. Smarts are more than IQ, I'm also looking for some of
the greatest opportunists of all time. I need that list, I want some
new role models.
Brad Anders
Susan Walker
> What's your definition of "smarts"?
Smart is as smart does.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
<pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Not by me. RicodJour said "No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in
>smarts...". That's what I'm after, I want the people with the smarts.
>IMO, that means you've got to include Savant, Donald Trump, L. Ron
>Hubbard, etc. Smarts are more than IQ, I'm also looking for some of
>the greatest opportunists of all time. I need that list, I want some
>new role models.
>
>Brad Anders
That's your problem. While you are looking for role models, others are
looking for models to roll, and having all the fun.
cur...@the-md-russells.org
Being slapped smarts, while being suckered punched simply hurts. I
finally got my bar approach refined to where they stopped sucker
punching me and just slapped the shit out of me. Women simply have an
entirely different sense of humor...
bjwe...@gmail.com
>
> It also brings into play, as someone mentioned, the time factor. If
> Einstein had lived 150 years ago, he wouldn't have come up with
> General Relativity. He built on the work of others, then made a leap
> - an incorrectly calculated one, that he later corrected - and the
> process is continuing. Right now, I don't honestly know how his work
> will be regarded - down the road his work might be looked on as
> quaint, and akin to figuring out what ails a person based on the Four
> Humours.
Einstein was a smart guy, certainly, but he was
no Einstein. Even Einstein made mistakes, and he did
build on the work of others, and if there had not been
any Einstein, other people would have eventually come
up with the advances that Einstein made, perhaps later
or with a different presentation. However, I don't know what
you are referring to as an incorrectly calculated leap.
The cosmological constant?
In fact, although everyone thinks of general relativity as
Einstein's crowning or great achievement, it may not
have been his most important contribution. It wasn't
what he got the Nobel prize for. Einstein also essentially
founded quantum physics with his paper on the
photoelectric effect.
I don't believe in hero-worship, lone geniuses, or elevating
Einstein too far above his contemporaries, but it's worth
noting that in 1905 he published four papers, none on
general relativity, and any single one of those papers would
have guaranteed its author a prominent place in the
history of physics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_Mirabilis_papers
That said, I can't tell from the pictures of Einstein riding
a bike whether he had his brakes mounted correctly,
and so it is still possible that Magilla Gorilla is the
greater physicist.
Ben
Bob Schwartz
> That said, I can't tell from the pictures of Einstein riding
> a bike whether he had his brakes mounted correctly,
> and so it is still possible that Magilla Gorilla is the
> greater physicist.
http://physics.about.com/od/alberteinstein/ig/Albert-Einstein-photos/Einstein-on-a-bike.htm
The coaster brake is most likely mounted correctly.
Bob Schwartz
RicodJour
wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_Mirabilis_papers
>
> That said, I can't tell from the pictures of Einstein riding
> a bike whether he had his brakes mounted correctly,
> and so it is still possible that Magilla Gorilla is the
> greater physicist.
Quite possibly the best segue ever on RBR.
Chapeau!
R
Tom Kunich
news:edac5a98-3270-453f...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> Einstein was a smart guy, certainly, but he was
> no Einstein. Even Einstein made mistakes, and he did
> build on the work of others, and if there had not been
> any Einstein, other people would have eventually come
> up with the advances that Einstein made, perhaps later
> or with a different presentation.
Perhaps you'd like to tell us who never made mistakes or built on the work
of others?
> In fact, although everyone thinks of general relativity as
> Einstein's crowning or great achievement, it may not
> have been his most important contribution. It wasn't
> what he got the Nobel prize for. Einstein also essentially
> founded quantum physics with his paper on the
> photoelectric effect.
I wonder if you've ever actually read a book on Albert Einstein? Then you
follow up with a paragraph that shows you have studied the subject. So
what's with the double directions?
> That said, I can't tell from the pictures of Einstein riding
> a bike whether he had his brakes mounted correctly,
> and so it is still possible that Magilla Gorilla is the
> greater physicist.
MiniscusProbiscus is obviously the greater expert since he posts here.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
>
> You limit your worldview to science?
Jackass -
I asked you what your definition of smarts was.
Anton Berlin
>
> - Show quoted text -
I posted Elsa because she's fuggin ugly. Is that 'hottie' material
where you live?
Anton Berlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annus_Mirabilis_papers
>
> Ben
Everytime someone posts "Annus Mirabilis" in RBR Kunich rubs one out
because he thinks it means something else.
Anton Berlin
Darwin for evolution
Michel de Montaigne for self awareness
Da Vinci for art, science math
Einstein, for physics in a vacuum of sorts
Poincaire for pure math
Plato for reason and teaching
Goethe for poetry
Newton for obvious reasons
Shakespeare for entertainment
Others that seem genius like:
Krystoff Kieslowski
Jiddu Krishnamurti
Nassim Taleb
Richard Feynman
I'm sure I missed somebody. Not sure why there's no women mentioned,
seems like they're should be one.
Fred Fredburger
> My List - no order and reason
>
> Darwin for evolution
> Michel de Montaigne for self awareness
> Da Vinci for art, science math
> Einstein, for physics in a vacuum of sorts
> Poincaire for pure math
> Plato for reason and teaching
> Goethe for poetry
> Newton for obvious reasons
> Shakespeare for entertainment
>
>
> Others that seem genius like:
>
> Krystoff Kieslowski
> Jiddu Krishnamurti
> Nassim Taleb
> Richard Feynman
>
> I'm sure I missed somebody.
Carl Friedrich Gauss
Michael Press
<e55ba3b6-90b4-4fde...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <rico...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 12:00 am, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > picked this woman.
> >
> > http://mysree.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/elsa-einstein.jpg
> >
> > But for what it's worth tried to nail her daughter first.
> >
> > *Apologies to Henri Poincaré
>
> I wouldn't put Einstein in the top ten. His wife - top three.
He was a physicist of the first water. He _knew_. Guys
were struggling with the fact that Maxwell's equations
are not invariant under Galilean transformations for
forty years. Albert nailed it. For that alone he is top ten.
Ever read "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies"?
<http://www.rpi.edu/dept/phys/Courses/PHYS2330/EinsteinMovingBodies.pdf>
(Of course, my top ten as more than ten in it)
--
Michael Press
Michael Press
<e2594edb-0f4b-4acb...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul B. Anders" <pban...@gmail.com> wrote:
JJ Rockefeller. Atilla the Hun. Ghengis Khan's mother.
--
Michael Press
Michael Press
<0fa7479e-d367-44e2...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Anton Berlin <truth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Carl Friedrich Gauss, the prince of mathematicians.
Leonhard Euler, the master of us all.
--
Michael Press
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
Feynman's IQ was only tested at 126. Shows the limitations of that
test.
As for women, the answer is obvious. This is rbr. Put Liz Hatch on the
list.
Nutella
"Kurgan. presented by Gringioni." <kgrin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Paul B. Anders
> In article
> <e2594edb-0f4b-4acb-a0d6-04bd90ff4...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Paul B. Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 12:33 pm, cur...@the-md-russells.org wrote:
> > > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:37:18 -0800 (PST), "Paul B. Anders"
>
> > > <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> As for achievements: the only people I can think of whose achievements
> > > >> changed the worldview of science more than Einstein were Newton and
> > > >> Darwin.
>
> > > >> thanks,
>
> > > >> Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >I want to hear RJ's top 10! I hope it includes Marilyn Vos Savant.
>
> > > There seems to be a wandering target here in what you are asking.
>
> > Not by me. RicodJour said "No, I meant Einstein wasn't top ten in
> > smarts...". That's what I'm after, I want the people with the smarts.
> > IMO, that means you've got to include Savant, Donald Trump, L. Ron
> > Hubbard, etc. Smarts are more than IQ, I'm also looking for some of
> > the greatest opportunists of all time. I need that list, I want some
> > new role models.
>
> JJ Rockefeller. Atilla the Hun. Ghengis Khan's mother.
Now we're getting somewhere. What about the smartest musicians? My
vote is for John Cage, for efficiency of composition.
Brad Anders
RicodJour
Of all time?! Sorry, we might have to disqualify your first choice
since you've been caught doping. Who's second on the list?
R
Paul B. Anders
OK, Cage is DQ'ed. And I should have never submitted him, as he's
primarily a composer, and I was interested more in practicing
musicians. I'll make a somewhat serious nomination of Ravi Shankar,
and also Hariprasad Chaurasia and Zakhir Hussain. Those dudes can belt
out a tune.
Brad Anders
RicodJour
Okay, here's what you do. Take all of that really good shit you've
been smoking/snorting/injecting, put it in a box and send it to me.
I'll make sure it gets to the proper...ummm...authorities, yeah,
that's it, the authorities.
Actually I only know one of those names, so I'll have to DAGS to see
if you're full of poop or not.
There's also the question of you changing the rules on the fly.
"Smartest ever" does not discriminate against someone just because
they've long since rotted in the ground. It also increases the odds
that the greatest musician's career was terminated with prejudice at a
tender age because the girlies/guy-lies were throwing themselves at
him/her genitals foremost. This frequently promotes jealousy,
altercations, serious injury and/or death.
R
Donald Munro
> JJ Rockefeller. Atilla the Hun. Ghengis Khan's mother.
Which begs the question: Was Atilla's mother hotter than Ghengis's ?
William R. Mattil
Paul B. Anders
Which one of Genghis's wifes? He had a bunch. I suspect there we a lot
of hotties in that group..
Hijacking this thread, this brings up the question, how many r.b.r's
are descendants of Genghis Khan?
Anton Berlin
>
Genius like might not indicate genius but I rank some one with
intellectual curiosity higher than a 'genius' that just regurgiutates
bullshit.
Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
Dumbass -
The standard IQ tests measure one's ability to solve relatively simple
problems quickly and accurately. They test for that because it's one
of the only types of intelligence that is measurable in an 8 hour
exam.
Feynman's intelligence was being able to solve extremely complex
problems that took a lot of thought. That ability isn't really
testable.
Most types of intelligence aren't really testable, but one can gauge
them in a different way: the results of one's intelligence -
achievements.
Look at the achievements, tangible ways how one has affected the world
around them. Test scores mean jack.
Anton Berlin
all agreed ergo "genius like"
Liz Hatch would get 192 on an SQ test but someone will have to design
a reliable "Skank Quotient" first.
RicodJour
You're partially right. What you describe is skewed because it
already factors in motivation, which is the driving force behind most
types of intelligence. If someone were absolutely brilliant in a
field, and lacked motivation, there wouldn't be much in the way of
measurable achievements. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be the
"smartest fucking guy* that ever lived" in their field.
The strongest guy that ever lived probably died doing something stupid
on a farm. Holding up a wagon so someone could change the wheel, or
holding up a cow so some girl he was trying to impress could milk it,
then it fell on him. News of those sort of achievements wouldn't
travel very far. If the news did travel, it would be considered a
folk tale.
R