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EICHE Top Sprinter. Trying to determine value, age and true origin
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fairbornCCF
Jul 13, 2015, 10:00:58 AM7/13/15
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Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on the internet.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqxZ6Dmghg9oK20KwpYTV4N_nHvQ5mnWjPtbRB
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqxZ6Dmghg9oK20KwpYTV4N_nHvQ5mnWjPtbRB
Andrew Chaplin
Jul 13, 2015, 10:36:31 AM7/13/15
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fairbornCCF <brain...@gmail.com> wrote in
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I get a 404 at the URL.
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fairbornCCF
Jul 13, 2015, 1:06:53 PM7/13/15
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>
> > Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on the
> > internet.
> >
> > https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqxZ6Dmghg9oK20KwpYTV4N_nHvQ5mnWjPt
> > bRB
>
> I get a 404 at the URL.
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Please try this one.
> > Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on the
> > internet.
> >
> > https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqxZ6Dmghg9oK20KwpYTV4N_nHvQ5mnWjPt
> > bRB
>
> I get a 404 at the URL.
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
https://goo.gl/photos/v3vFAEAZ97xQ4A8P6
Andrew Chaplin
Jul 14, 2015, 8:36:14 AM7/14/15
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fairbornCCF <brain...@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>
>> > Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on
>> > the internet.
>> >
>> > https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqxZ6Dmghg9oK20KwpYTV4N_nHvQ5mn
>> > WjPt bRB
>>
>> I get a 404 at the URL.
>
From the wingnuts and the decals' typeface, it looks to be European
manufacture from the late 1960s or early 1970s. From googling
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/topsprinter> they appear to sell from 15 to 50
euros.
I could not find an entry for a bicycle manufacturer using the name "Eiche"
(oak) in the German Wikipedia. I am wondering if it was made in the DDR.
news:dc63530f-be4c-4f30...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on
>> > the internet.
>> >
>> > https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOqxZ6Dmghg9oK20KwpYTV4N_nHvQ5mn
>> > WjPt bRB
>>
>> I get a 404 at the URL.
>
manufacture from the late 1960s or early 1970s. From googling
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/topsprinter> they appear to sell from 15 to 50
euros.
I could not find an entry for a bicycle manufacturer using the name "Eiche"
(oak) in the German Wikipedia. I am wondering if it was made in the DDR.
fairbornCCF
Jul 15, 2015, 9:25:16 AM7/15/15
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Jakob Krieger
Oct 18, 2015, 3:17:25 PM10/18/15
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- fairbornCCF / Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:25:14 +0200
>>>>> Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on
>>>>> the internet.
>>> https://goo.gl/photos/v3vFAEAZ97xQ4A8P6
This is from a small German manufacturer which does not exist any more
(»Eiche« means »oak tree«). Names with somehow patriotic sound
have been quite common in Germany (not in Switzerland or Austria).
The making and parts date to early 1970s.
The »racing« handlebar probably was added later.
This type was categorized »men's sports bike«
(between tourers and racing-bies).
There is a little town named Eiche near Berlin, and in ads,
pre-war bikes of this name are located near Berlin,
post-war Eiche bikes in the Dortmund region.
So probably the manufacurer moved out of the soviet zone
(which became GDR / DDR later) and settled near Dortmund.
Such bikes are robust, specially the frames are done with
a lot of work-intensive details like soldered sockets for
frame-tubes.
There are plenty still existing, and collectors don't
care for the 1970s yet, so there is little commercial value.
jk
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>>>>> Not sure the age of this bicycle. Could not find any information on
>>>>> the internet.
This is from a small German manufacturer which does not exist any more
(»Eiche« means »oak tree«). Names with somehow patriotic sound
have been quite common in Germany (not in Switzerland or Austria).
The making and parts date to early 1970s.
The »racing« handlebar probably was added later.
This type was categorized »men's sports bike«
(between tourers and racing-bies).
There is a little town named Eiche near Berlin, and in ads,
pre-war bikes of this name are located near Berlin,
post-war Eiche bikes in the Dortmund region.
So probably the manufacurer moved out of the soviet zone
(which became GDR / DDR later) and settled near Dortmund.
Such bikes are robust, specially the frames are done with
a lot of work-intensive details like soldered sockets for
frame-tubes.
There are plenty still existing, and collectors don't
care for the 1970s yet, so there is little commercial value.
jk
--
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John B.
Oct 18, 2015, 9:01:40 PM10/18/15
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A lovely bike.
How many speeds did it have and, if it is your bike, what do the two
decals on the seat tube say?
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:17:22 +0200, "Jakob Krieger" <j...@dashdotcom.de>
wrote:
John B.
Jakob Krieger
Oct 18, 2015, 9:42:06 PM10/18/15
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- John B. / Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:01:34 +0200
> A lovely bike.
True.
> How many speeds did it have and, if it is your bike, what do the two
> decals on the seat tube say?
It is not mine,
but such bikes at this time had 5-gear shift.
Racers hat 10 (2 * 5). Sprocket-sets with 6 or more
and triple chain-blades were introduced by Shimano about 1980.
The thing mounted to the seat tube is strange. Never seen before.
jk
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> A lovely bike.
True.
> How many speeds did it have and, if it is your bike, what do the two
> decals on the seat tube say?
but such bikes at this time had 5-gear shift.
Racers hat 10 (2 * 5). Sprocket-sets with 6 or more
and triple chain-blades were introduced by Shimano about 1980.
The thing mounted to the seat tube is strange. Never seen before.
jk
--
no sig
John B.
Oct 19, 2015, 7:04:06 AM10/19/15
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:41:48 +0200, "Jakob Krieger" <j...@dashdotcom.de>
wrote:
I was interested in the number of rear sprockets as the bike has a
chain guard and it seems to be the common opinion here that bicycles
with a number of sprockets on the rear CANNOT have a chain guard....
and there is a bicycle that has one :-)
I didn't mean the green bicycle lock chains and cable I was talking
about the two decals on the seat tube. the one at the top I can almost
read and the red one at the bottom I can't read at all. I suspect that
the top one might be a label for the steel tubes used, in which case
it is likely, at least for the time, a very well made frame.
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cheers,
John B.
wrote:
chain guard and it seems to be the common opinion here that bicycles
with a number of sprockets on the rear CANNOT have a chain guard....
and there is a bicycle that has one :-)
I didn't mean the green bicycle lock chains and cable I was talking
about the two decals on the seat tube. the one at the top I can almost
read and the red one at the bottom I can't read at all. I suspect that
the top one might be a label for the steel tubes used, in which case
it is likely, at least for the time, a very well made frame.
--
cheers,
John B.
Jakob Krieger
Oct 19, 2015, 7:59:14 AM10/19/15
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- John B. / Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:04:02 +0200
> I was interested in the number of rear sprockets as the bike has a
> chain guard and it seems to be the common opinion here that bicycles
> with a number of sprockets on the rear CANNOT have a chain guard....
> and there is a bicycle that has one :-)
<http://www.scheunenfun.de/f+s_torpedo_kettenschaltung.htm>
On this link, there is a very old 3-gear chain shift.
You also can see the winged axle nuts.
Of course, on the picture it is hard to identify the brand
(»Torpedo« was a brand by Fichtel & Sachs, a company that
stopped building bike parts when Shimano came with cheap
but reliable products; their patents were bought by SRAM).
As parts like the headlight, the rear rack, the chain guard,
the break arms, and the fenders look like early 1970s style,
the shift will probably be 5-gear (was common at that time).
Most non-racing bikes of that time had 3-gear hub-shifts;
chain-shift was the more 'sporty' variant.
<http://www.scheunenfun.de/f+s_modell515.htm>
The combination of sprocket shift and chain guard is possible,
even today it can be found on bikes from the Netherlands.
People preferred to have the chain easy to access (because
early chain shifts were less reliable than today's), and they
didn't like the »grandpa-style« chain protectors. So they
came out of use (of course, never would be screwed on a racer
or a MTB)
> I didn't mean the green bicycle lock chains and cable ...
Sorry, I was detracted by the thing mounted right under the seat
(might be a trailer hitch?).
> ... I was talking
kind of a quality badge.
The lower red one probably contains the frame number.
The letters on top of the red badge might be »Eiche«.
> I suspect that
> the top one might be a label for the steel tubes used, in which case
> it is likely, at least for the time, a very well made frame.
It was common to say something like »high quality steel«, not the
exact type used (I don't know when numbers like »EN 10305-1«
or »EN 10305-4« were introduced).
But it is hand-made with big precision for sure. Bikes were quite
expensive at that time. The invasion of DIY-market crap bikes
(which looked somehow more modern) came up in the 1980s.
Many bike manufacturers closed down then.
jk
--
no sig
> I was interested in the number of rear sprockets as the bike has a
> chain guard and it seems to be the common opinion here that bicycles
> with a number of sprockets on the rear CANNOT have a chain guard....
> and there is a bicycle that has one :-)
On this link, there is a very old 3-gear chain shift.
You also can see the winged axle nuts.
Of course, on the picture it is hard to identify the brand
(»Torpedo« was a brand by Fichtel & Sachs, a company that
stopped building bike parts when Shimano came with cheap
but reliable products; their patents were bought by SRAM).
As parts like the headlight, the rear rack, the chain guard,
the break arms, and the fenders look like early 1970s style,
the shift will probably be 5-gear (was common at that time).
Most non-racing bikes of that time had 3-gear hub-shifts;
chain-shift was the more 'sporty' variant.
<http://www.scheunenfun.de/f+s_modell515.htm>
The combination of sprocket shift and chain guard is possible,
even today it can be found on bikes from the Netherlands.
People preferred to have the chain easy to access (because
early chain shifts were less reliable than today's), and they
didn't like the »grandpa-style« chain protectors. So they
came out of use (of course, never would be screwed on a racer
or a MTB)
> I didn't mean the green bicycle lock chains and cable ...
Sorry, I was detracted by the thing mounted right under the seat
(might be a trailer hitch?).
> ... I was talking
> about the two decals on the seat tube. the one at the top I can almost
> read and the red one at the bottom I can't read at all.
The silver writing of the upper one reads »Garantie« / warranty -
> read and the red one at the bottom I can't read at all.
kind of a quality badge.
The lower red one probably contains the frame number.
The letters on top of the red badge might be »Eiche«.
> I suspect that
> the top one might be a label for the steel tubes used, in which case
> it is likely, at least for the time, a very well made frame.
exact type used (I don't know when numbers like »EN 10305-1«
or »EN 10305-4« were introduced).
But it is hand-made with big precision for sure. Bikes were quite
expensive at that time. The invasion of DIY-market crap bikes
(which looked somehow more modern) came up in the 1980s.
Many bike manufacturers closed down then.
jk
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