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Doc O'Leary
Mar 25, 2017, 3:09:54 PM3/25/17
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For your reference, records indicate that
Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-23 09:58, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> >
> > I dislike a close pass as much as anyone, but I’m not going to assume
> > it happened because the driver is a jerk.
>
>
> Sometimes they are. Like a week ago when the guy leaned on the horn and
> gradually pushed me to the side of the road as punishment for taking
> "his" lane. He had even pulled into that lane from the other (fast) lane
> just to show me who is boss. Yes, those are jerks. Jerks who should not
> even have a driver license.
Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
and file a report with the police.
> > ... Maybe they’re a safe driver
> > that simply has an excellent sense of their vehicle’s space. Maybe
> > they see that I am biking fast and straight, and think it’ll be
> > perfectly safe to go past me without much clearance.
>
>
> Only to cause the cyclist to be destabilized a bit by the vortex effect
> and being hit by the next car? Such behavior is stupid and dangerous.
Yes, it is. But that doesn’t imply bad intent by the stupid person
who does it. If they don’t do a lot of biking it traffic, they simply
might not know what it is like to be on the receiving end of that kind
of behavior.
> I have testified as a witness in court in a case where a cyclist was
> brutally pushed off the road and crashed into the ditch. Guess what, the
> trucker got a slap on the wrist. Nada, nothing else. Justice? Phhht.
What do you want to hear? That extrajudicial action is appropriate
when the system fails people? If that’s the answer, then civilization
is hanging by a very thin thread.
Can’t for the life of my figure out what this has to do with .tech at
this point, so I’m going to loop in .misc and hope the thread migrates
there . . .
--
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly
Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-23 09:58, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> >
> > I dislike a close pass as much as anyone, but I’m not going to assume
> > it happened because the driver is a jerk.
>
>
> Sometimes they are. Like a week ago when the guy leaned on the horn and
> gradually pushed me to the side of the road as punishment for taking
> "his" lane. He had even pulled into that lane from the other (fast) lane
> just to show me who is boss. Yes, those are jerks. Jerks who should not
> even have a driver license.
Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
and file a report with the police.
> > ... Maybe they’re a safe driver
> > that simply has an excellent sense of their vehicle’s space. Maybe
> > they see that I am biking fast and straight, and think it’ll be
> > perfectly safe to go past me without much clearance.
>
>
> Only to cause the cyclist to be destabilized a bit by the vortex effect
> and being hit by the next car? Such behavior is stupid and dangerous.
Yes, it is. But that doesn’t imply bad intent by the stupid person
who does it. If they don’t do a lot of biking it traffic, they simply
might not know what it is like to be on the receiving end of that kind
of behavior.
> I have testified as a witness in court in a case where a cyclist was
> brutally pushed off the road and crashed into the ditch. Guess what, the
> trucker got a slap on the wrist. Nada, nothing else. Justice? Phhht.
What do you want to hear? That extrajudicial action is appropriate
when the system fails people? If that’s the answer, then civilization
is hanging by a very thin thread.
Can’t for the life of my figure out what this has to do with .tech at
this point, so I’m going to loop in .misc and hope the thread migrates
there . . .
--
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly
Joerg
Mar 25, 2017, 3:39:59 PM3/25/17
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On 2017-03-25 12:06, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-03-23 09:58, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>>
>>> I dislike a close pass as much as anyone, but I’m not going to assume
>>> it happened because the driver is a jerk.
>>
>>
>> Sometimes they are. Like a week ago when the guy leaned on the horn and
>> gradually pushed me to the side of the road as punishment for taking
>> "his" lane. He had even pulled into that lane from the other (fast) lane
>> just to show me who is boss. Yes, those are jerks. Jerks who should not
>> even have a driver license.
>
> Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
> and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
> not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
> Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
> escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
> and file a report with the police.
>
Makes no difference whatsoever. Plus no witness on my side.
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-03-23 09:58, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>>
>>> I dislike a close pass as much as anyone, but I’m not going to assume
>>> it happened because the driver is a jerk.
>>
>>
>> Sometimes they are. Like a week ago when the guy leaned on the horn and
>> gradually pushed me to the side of the road as punishment for taking
>> "his" lane. He had even pulled into that lane from the other (fast) lane
>> just to show me who is boss. Yes, those are jerks. Jerks who should not
>> even have a driver license.
>
> Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
> and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
> not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
> Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
> escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
> and file a report with the police.
>
>>> ... Maybe they’re a safe driver
>>> that simply has an excellent sense of their vehicle’s space. Maybe
>>> they see that I am biking fast and straight, and think it’ll be
>>> perfectly safe to go past me without much clearance.
>>
>>
>> Only to cause the cyclist to be destabilized a bit by the vortex effect
>> and being hit by the next car? Such behavior is stupid and dangerous.
>
> Yes, it is. But that doesn’t imply bad intent by the stupid person
> who does it. If they don’t do a lot of biking it traffic, they simply
> might not know what it is like to be on the receiving end of that kind
> of behavior.
>
>> I have testified as a witness in court in a case where a cyclist was
>> brutally pushed off the road and crashed into the ditch. Guess what, the
>> trucker got a slap on the wrist. Nada, nothing else. Justice? Phhht.
>
> What do you want to hear? That extrajudicial action is appropriate
> when the system fails people? If that’s the answer, then civilization
> is hanging by a very thin thread.
>
> Can’t for the life of my figure out what this has to do with .tech at
> this point, so I’m going to loop in .misc and hope the thread migrates
> there . . .
>
--
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Doc O'Leary
Mar 26, 2017, 10:54:18 AM3/26/17
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For your reference, records indicate that
Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-25 12:06, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> >
> > Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
> > and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
> > not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
> > Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
> > escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
> > and file a report with the police.
> >
>
> Makes no difference whatsoever. Plus no witness on my side.
Doesn’t matter. Unless you made the whole damn thing up, *someone
Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-25 12:06, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> >
> > Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
> > and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
> > not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
> > Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
> > escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
> > and file a report with the police.
> >
>
> Makes no difference whatsoever. Plus no witness on my side.
endangered your life*. That’s something that needs to be escalated.
Police reports allow for further actions, especially if the person in
question is a repeat offender. It is foolish to wait until that guy
kills someone (and then gets a slap on the wrist because it’s his
first offense on record) before anything gets done.
Here’s another radical idea: if you really live in such an awful
neighborhood, start recording your rides. In addition to filing
police reports with that evidence, post it online so that the world
forever knows who these assholes are.
> However, there is a 3ft legal requirement and a driver must obey laws.
they want and it “makes no difference”.
Joerg
Mar 26, 2017, 11:43:49 AM3/26/17
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On 2017-03-26 07:51, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-03-25 12:06, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>>
>>> Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
>>> and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
>>> not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
>>> Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
>>> escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
>>> and file a report with the police.
>>>
>>
>> Makes no difference whatsoever. Plus no witness on my side.
>
> Doesn’t matter. Unless you made the whole damn thing up, *someone
> endangered your life*. That’s something that needs to be escalated.
> Police reports allow for further actions, especially if the person in
> question is a repeat offender. It is foolish to wait until that guy
> kills someone (and then gets a slap on the wrist because it’s his
> first offense on record) before anything gets done.
>
They will not take any action. So what's the point?
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-03-25 12:06, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>>
>>> Totally a different class of behavior than that of basic visibility
>>> and safe distance. Someone threatening you with their vehicle is
>>> not simply “jerk” behavior. It is assault with a deadly weapon.
>>> Perhaps even attempted murder. That is something that needs to be
>>> escalated each and every time it happens. Get their license plate
>>> and file a report with the police.
>>>
>>
>> Makes no difference whatsoever. Plus no witness on my side.
>
> Doesn’t matter. Unless you made the whole damn thing up, *someone
> endangered your life*. That’s something that needs to be escalated.
> Police reports allow for further actions, especially if the person in
> question is a repeat offender. It is foolish to wait until that guy
> kills someone (and then gets a slap on the wrist because it’s his
> first offense on record) before anything gets done.
>
> Here’s another radical idea: if you really live in such an awful
> neighborhood, start recording your rides. In addition to filing
> police reports with that evidence, post it online so that the world
> forever knows who these assholes are.
>
that won't be considered by police. They "don't have the time".
>> However, there is a 3ft legal requirement and a driver must obey laws.
>
> Make up your mind. Either they “must obey”, or they can do whatever
> they want and it “makes no difference”.
>
since it was published most drivers obey it. Way more than before. So, a
good law.
Doc O'Leary
Mar 27, 2017, 11:10:14 AM3/27/17
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For your reference, records indicate that
Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> They will not take any action. So what's the point?
The point is that a police report is evidence that can demonstrate a
Joerg <ne...@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> They will not take any action. So what's the point?
pattern of behavior. Evidence people can use against the bad guy in
the future. Maybe it’s to request a concealed carry permit. Maybe
it’s to get a restraining order. Maybe it’s to file a lawsuit
against the person, or the city for not taking action.
> A camera to the front, another to the side, another to the rear? Even
> that won't be considered by police. They "don't have the time".
the media. Name and shame.
At the very least!
Grow the fuck up and *act* when someone tries to kill you.
doug....@gmail.com
Mar 27, 2017, 6:26:53 PM3/27/17
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