Strong-armed by the "Quiet Birdmen"?
sid_go...@my-deja.com
What's with this group known as the "Quiet Birdmen"?
I'm a free-lance writer with little or no interest in aviation.
However, through a fortuitous turn of events, I stumbled across this
seemingly ultra-secretive group known as "The Ancient and Secret Order
of Quiet Birdmen." I happened to get a great angle on what I thought
would be a provocative story, then hit a brick wall -- and worse.
The story is centered on the group's annual party -- known as a "Wing
Ding" -- held in Las Vegas last October.
After a preliminary investigation of circumstances surrounding this
event, I was clearly discouraged from publication of the piece. Certain
self-proclaimed members of the "Quiet Birdmen" took a very heavy-handed
approach to discouraging me from writing the article. They backed off
after I went to the police, as their techniques may have bordered on
harassment and criminal threatening. So what gives here? The last time
I checked, the first amendment was still in effect.
Should I be worried? They came on pretty strong (while hiding behind a
telephone, anyway). My family is concerned. To add to the frustration,
my attempts to find a central office for this fraternal group have
yielded no results. It's weird.
Any opinions or info on "The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen"
would be most welcome.
Thanks,
Sid Goldfarb
sid_go...@hotmail.com
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HECTOP
Why in the world would you intrude on a group's privacy that by it's prime
charter values it above anything else. Provocative story my ass, I'd like to
do a provocative story on your bedroom life (you likely don't have one
anyway) and your credit history, let's see how you gonna like that. If you
think your papparazzi intrusiveness is gonna find a supportive audience in
this newsgroup, you came to the wrong place. And I'll leave it to the
old-timers to explain this to you further in more digestable terms.
damn I hate people like that
Come down here to Brooklyn and do a provocative story on Russian Mafia on
Brighton Beach ;-)
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John Gaquin
sid_go...@my-deja.com wrote in message <9484tu$a0i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
>The story is centered on the group's annual party -- known as a "Wing
>Ding" -- held in Las Vegas last October.
>
Bucking for your own little "tailhook" Pulitzer, Sid?
>.......I was clearly discouraged from publication of the piece.
>................their techniques may have bordered on
>harassment and criminal threatening.
Nice turn of phrase --- "...may have bordered on harassment...", which
means, of course, that it wasn't, but you want people to think it was.
>Should I be worried?
Only if you think there might be another petty writer out there who could
disrupt your life by being obnoxious and nosey in the name of greed.
Why don't you just leave these guys alone? Novel concept for a professional
snoop, I know, but I daresay they value their privacy as much as you do
yours. I'd also daresay it's distinctly possible the QBs' reticence has
accomplished more good in this world than has your writing.
Regards,
John Gaquin
Ditch
>Brighton Beach ;-)
LOL
-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*
Cub driver
I typed quiet birdmen into the Google search engine and got 486 hits.
A lot seem to have to do with war games, so are probably bogus.
The funniest one (for a secret organization) is that Oklahoma has
discontinued vanity plates for the Quiet Birdmen.
all the best - Dan Ford (email: use...@danford.net)
Remains (a story of the Flying Tigers)
http://danford.net/remains.htm
sta...@nospamflightleveldesign.com
sid, i'll humor myself and answer your questions, and the reasons why
they probably want nothing at all to do with you.
>Please humor me...
>
>What's with this group known as the "Quiet Birdmen"?
It is comprised of quiet people who fly.
>
>I'm a free-lance writer with little or no interest in aviation.
well, there are reasons number one and two right there. you have no
job, and you have little or no interest in aviation.
>However, through a fortuitous turn of events, I stumbled across this
>seemingly ultra-secretive group known as "The Ancient and Secret Order
>of Quiet Birdmen." I happened to get a great angle on what I thought
>would be a provocative story, then hit a brick wall -- and worse.
...and there is reason number three: you have gone to the story with
a pre-conceived notion: "ultra-secretive," followed by the hack's
buzzwords, "great angle" and "provocative."
>
>The story is centered on the group's annual party -- known as a "Wing
>Ding" -- held in Las Vegas last October.
note, again, the name of the organization, sid: QUIET birdmen
>
>After a preliminary investigation of circumstances surrounding this
>event,
[ meaning, you heard the phrase "quiet birdmen" mentioned somewhere,
and verified that there was a party through a cocktail waitress in the
nickle slot pit at Sam's?]
> I was clearly discouraged from publication of the piece. Certain
>self-proclaimed members of the "Quiet Birdmen" took a very heavy-handed
>approach to discouraging me from writing the article. They backed off
>after I went to the police, as their techniques may have bordered on
>harassment and criminal threatening.
[if your style in person and in print is the same as it is here, sid,
i can understand why they would not speak to you. and "may have
bordered on harassment and criminal threatening..." is so utterly
laughable. ooh, those nasty, nasty birdmen.]
>So what gives here? The last time
>I checked, the first amendment was still in effect.
so is the right to privacy, sid. writing for the enquirer, or the
star, or, sin of sins, dateline nbc is not a holy cause, sid,
entitling you to "investigate" a wonderful group of people who, by the
very name of their organization, would rather keep a low profile than
see themselves lambasted in a supermarket tabloid under your byline.
>
>Should I be worried? They came on pretty strong (while hiding behind a
>telephone, anyway).
...this from someone who intimates criminal behaviour while hiding
behind a monitor?
>My family is concerned.
they should be, sid. you have no job.
>To add to the frustration,
>my attempts to find a central office for this fraternal group have
>yielded no results. It's weird.
>
no comment, sid. just please, for the sake of the aforementioned
family, don't quit your day job.
>Any opinions or info on "The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen"
>would be most welcome.
>
great bunch of accomplished people. now, why don't you and weegee run
along and play somewhere else? i am sure there are hundreds of movie
stars' trash bins to sift through for clues of infidelity, immorality
and all forms of mischief and mayhem.
>Thanks,
>Sid Goldfarb
hey, you're welcome, sid. glad i could help a fellow "journalist."
>sid_go...@hotmail.com
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
alan staats
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vee_e...@my-deja.com
Birdmen"(?) My old CO from my Army Aviation days was/is a member.
Wonder what the qualifications are for admission?
Will
--
Um, is that "dead foot - dead engine", or is it "dead engine - dead
pilot"?
George R. Patterson III
>
> Please humor me...
No.
> Any opinions or info on "The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen"
> would be most welcome.
I don't hold an opinion on them, but I do have one of people (and I use
that term loosely) like you. It is not favorable.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Henry Kisor
undeliverable. And, as a journalist myself, I can't believe a genuine
journalist would contemptuously say he's uninterested in aviation and then
post a question about aviation on an aviation newsgroup.
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k8do
Denny
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Ron Parsons
>I've heard of this group, but I thought the name was "Silent
>Birdmen"(?) My old CO from my Army Aviation days was/is a member.
>Wonder what the qualifications are for admission?
>
QB. You have to be asked. If they don't, you don't qualify.
--
Ron
Dion Marshall
> Birdmen"(?) My old CO from my Army Aviation days was/is a member.
> Wonder what the qualifications are for admission?
>
> Will
I thought it was an organization for people who had flown before there
were radios in cockpits. Sid probably thinks it's a secret organization
of Avian Aliens out to take over the world.
Dion
--
Do you realize that, with Dick Cheney's heart condition, Geo. W. Bush is
one heartbeat from the presidency?
TiernansDad
Dion Marshall <dion.m...@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <949imk$dji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> vee_e...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I've heard of this group, but I thought the name was "Silent
> > Birdmen"(?) My old CO from my Army Aviation days was/is a member.
> > Wonder what the qualifications are for admission?
> >
> > Will
>
> I thought it was an organization for people who had flown before there
> were radios in cockpits. Sid probably thinks it's a secret
organization
> of Avian Aliens out to take over the world.
>
> Dion
>
*this is my last chemtrail joke for at least one week. really.
--
Fairwinds,
Brian
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You can always count on Americans to do the right thing,
after they have exhausted all the alternatives.
--Winston Churchill
Lou Sanchez-Chopitea
sid_go...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Please humor me...
>
> What's with this group known as the "Quiet Birdmen"?
>
> I'm a free-lance writer with little or no interest in aviation.
> However, through a fortuitous turn of events, I stumbled across this
> seemingly ultra-secretive group known as "The Ancient and Secret Order
> of Quiet Birdmen." I happened to get a great angle on what I thought
> would be a provocative story, then hit a brick wall -- and worse.
>
> The story is centered on the group's annual party -- known as a "Wing
> Ding" -- held in Las Vegas last October.
>
> After a preliminary investigation of circumstances surrounding this
> event, I was clearly discouraged from publication of the piece. Certain
> self-proclaimed members of the "Quiet Birdmen" took a very heavy-handed
> approach to discouraging me from writing the article. They backed off
> after I went to the police, as their techniques may have bordered on
> harassment and criminal threatening. So what gives here? The last time
> I checked, the first amendment was still in effect.
Irrespective of either the merits or lack thereof of the rest of the
post,
the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
It (and most of the Bill of Rights) exist to protect citizens (and
sometimes
residents) from the Government, not from other citizens or groups of
citizens.
> Should I be worried? They came on pretty strong (while hiding behind a
> telephone, anyway). My family is concerned. To add to the frustration,
> my attempts to find a central office for this fraternal group have
> yielded no results. It's weird.
>
> Any opinions or info on "The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen"
> would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Sid Goldfarb
> sid_go...@hotmail.com
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Cheers
Lou
P.S. Sorry about the mostly OT post, one of my pet peeves was tickled.
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Blanche Cohen
>I checked, the first amendment was still in effect.
Wrong. The First Amendments *only* has relevance to the US Government. To
quote, "Congress shall make no laws...". No one else nor any other
entity is subject to this law.
Dudley Henriques
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>
> A lot seem to have to do with war games, so are probably bogus.
Anyone in aviation for any time at all has heard of the Quiet Birdmen. The
QB's are anything but bogus, and have nothing at all to do with war games.
Most are professional pilots. The membership is by invitation only. I'd do
some more checking if I were you, before making an assumption like this.
--
Dudley A. Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI/ Retired
Craig Prouse
Henriques at dhenr...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/20/01 1:51 PM:
He didn't say the Quiet Birdmen is a bogus organization. He said the links
that he found in his search engine are bogus hits.
Most of the Quiet Birdmen hits I saw appeared in obituaries under the
heading of "organizations," those of people with long and distinguished
aviation careers.
Nathaniel
I believe he did write " A lot seem to have to do with war games, so are
probably bogus." This sounds he has demonstrated support not the
guillotine.
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Dudley Henriques
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> Dudley,
> I believe he did write " A lot seem to have to do with war games, so
are
> probably bogus." This sounds he has demonstrated support not the
> guillotine.
Absolutely my mistake. Apologies to Cub Driver!
sid_go...@my-deja.com
sid_go...@hotmail.com
Thanks to all for their insightful responses. Thanks, too, to those who
took the time to contact me off line with their tips and suggestions.
(Some of those QB members ain’t so “quiet” after all! And the QB-
wannabes – not to mention a couple of QB ex-wives – really have a lot
to say!) Sure, I could have done without the anti-Semitic hate mail,
but, in this business, one learns to develop a thick skin. Now all I
have to do is identify the fakers while I methodically separate the
wheat from the chaff…
I’m sorry to have offended anyone. It was not intentional. Sometimes
investigative journalism hits raw nerves. That’s just the way it is.
Hey, if I turn over a boulder in the forest, I’m not responsible for
what’s under it, am I? Nor am I responsible for the many curious people
who want to know what I brought to light.
By the way, I do have a “real” job – I’m a marketing manager for a
California-based software company. Writing, of course, is a key part of
“marketing communications” – the science of messaging associated with
advertising, public relations, and marketing collateral. Early in my
career, over 20 years ago, I cut my teeth writing for newspapers and
magazines. It turned out that the easy money was in high tech. It still
is. But I just have a nose (please, no more Jew jokes) for a good
story, and I sometimes can’t resist. The “free-lance writer” thing is
purely ancillary to my relatively lucrative, but boring, day gig.
It’s hard for me to look askance at a good story, and I’m not about to
in the case of “The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen.” Tough-
talking spoilers such as HECTOP may want to rain on my parade, but
they’re usually among the first to buy the book, see the movie, or
visit the web site that tells the story no one else has the ability –or
courage – to write.
Cheers,
Sid Goldfarb
HECTOP
> to say!) Sure, I could have done without the anti-Semitic hate mail,
it's schlemazls like you that are the reasons for anti-semitism in the first
place...
> but, in this business, one learns to develop a thick skin.
that won't save you from developing an extra set of a-holes once you stick
that nose into a really wrong laundry sack
> By the way, I do have a real job Im a marketing manager for a
> California-based software company.
getting a job in a california based software company must've really worn
you out, what a superhuman effort, that's after they hired off all the
Wendy's busboys and carwash chicanos.
> talking spoilers such as HECTOP may want to rain on my parade, but
> they're usually among the first to buy the book, see the movie, or
yeah, just can't wait to stand in the express check-out line in local
Walgreens to pick up your latest masterpiece in National Enquirer!
HECTOP
>Sure, I could have done without the anti-Semitic hate mail <SNIP>
> wannabes not to mention a couple of QB ex-wives really have a lot to say
What a real bloody hero we've got on our hands here, he chases after old men's
ex-wives to collect the dirt on them. Did it ever dawn on that proud
"semitic" brain of yours that these people fought a war to save your ass
exactly from those who had you and your family on the waiting list for the gas
chambers and crematoriums?
WHAT A BASTARD!
>they're usually among the first to buy the book, see the movie, or
>visit the web site that tells the story no one else has the ability
... no one else has the AUDACITY
This one is the typical of his kind of bastards that make money off chasing
celebrities into deadly accidents and then even making more money off their
deaths. The lowest kind of scum, right next to the morons who buy their
books, photos and visit their websites drooling over their monitors at shots
of someone getting a foot massage.
Thank you for that minute of attention
Blanche Cohen
"that tells the story no one else has the ability nor
courage n to write."
And of course there's absolutely no regard for whether the story should
even be written, correct?
As a software developer I am *very* aware that technology can be used for
many purposes. However, it is always imperative that before that technology
is used, the question should be asked,
"*Should* I continue to do this?"
It's called "ethics".
ShawnD2112
the wargame related hits were bogus (ie - nothing to do with the QBs), not
that the QBs are bogus.
I've only had one experience with them when I was a college student. My
roommate's father was a QB and he invited us to one of their dinners. We
were going to Ohio State at the time and his dad picked us up in a Mooney at
the OSU airport and flew us down to Xenia for a QB dinner at the USAF
Museum. The musuem opened up a bunch of the airplanes for us and we even
got to see the then-new second hangar before it was opened to the public. A
very nice event and the one thing that stands in my mind the most was the
way the QBs started the evening. They all stood and faced west to remember
those of their brotherhood who had gone before them. Very touching, I
thought.
Shawn
Dudley Henriques wrote in message ...
ShawnD2112
to be gained by "exposing" an organization that few people know about and
probably even fewer are being hurt by? I just call this busybody nosiness,
to be honest. It's not news and it's nothing more than a poor attempt at
scandal-mongering. Who cares if they run around at their annual meeting
wearing only goggles and leather flying helmets? Who cares if the president
is making off with all their dough or screwing the governer's wife? It's a
private organization and is in no way open for public scrutiny. Some things
in life, much to a journalist's surprise, really are nobody else's business.
And the first ammendment prevents the goverment from censoring the media, it
does nothing to give the media the right to invade the privacy of any person
or private organization and make their lives public.
Shawn
sid_go...@hotmail.com wrote in message <94da8a$d20$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Cub driver
>> I typed quiet birdmen into the Google search engine and got 486 hits.
>> A lot seem to have to do with war games, so are probably bogus.
>
>Anyone in aviation for any time at all has heard of the Quiet Birdmen. The
>QB's are anything but bogus, and have nothing at all to do with war games.
>Most are professional pilots. The membership is by invitation only. I'd do
>some more checking if I were you, before making an assumption like this.
Nevertheless, a lot of the 486 returns seemed to have something to do
with war games, and were probably bogus (i.e. had nothing to do with
the Quiet Birdmen). I'm not doing any checking, nor am I making any
assumption. I was merely pointing out to the original poster that if
he had done the simplest kind of internet search, he wouldn't have had
to post his question here.
It's interesting about war gamers. If you type missing man formation
into Google, many of the top returns will also involve computer games
of one sort or another. It seems that terms like Quiet Birdmen and MMF
catch the interest of futurists, combat flight simmers, and gamers.
Dudley Henriques
"Cub driver" <lo...@my.sig.file> wrote in message
I was merely pointing out to the original poster that if
> he had done the simplest kind of internet search, he wouldn't have had
> to post his question here.
It was this reasoning that caused me to misread your post. The question
about the QB's was appropriate for this newsgroup. They are a long standing
organization in the aviation community. I feel your answer to the initial
post didn't address this fact, and admonishing the poster by infering as you
have above, that he seek his answer elsewhere; I simply find a bit off.
"All the best"
John Gaquin
>took the time to contact me off line with their tips and suggestions.
>(Some of those QB members ain’t so “quiet” after all! And the QB-
>wannabes – not to mention a couple of QB ex-wives – really have a lot
I don't believe the above for a heartbeat. You're lying (a standard
writer's tool) to try to make us all believe that your charm and lofty
purpose have somehow circumvented the negative response to your obnoxious
intrusion. Troll elsewhere.
Regards,
John Gaquin
sid_go...@hotmail.com
I’d appreciate it if someone would tell me where and when the BOS
hangar of the Quiet Birdmen will hold their February meeting. I need to
go to NYC on business next month, so I’d like to finagle an invite from
this particular QB hangar so I can personally deliver a PowerPoint
presentation on my project. Why BOS? Certain members of that hangar
have a very keen interest in this piece. In all fairness, it will give
me an opportunity to show them where I stand with the project, and get
their side of things as well. It will also give any disgruntled QBs a
chance to threaten, beat up or kill this fat 50-year-old asthmatic Jew.
Perhaps the indefatigable HECTOP, with trusty Makarov in hand, could
lead the charge…
Best regards,
Sid Goldfarb
Michael Isaksen
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> ...
> I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me where and when
> the BOS hangar of the Quiet Birdmen will hold their February
> meeting. I need to go to NYC on business next month, so I'd
> like to finagle an invite from this particular QB hangar so I can
> personally deliver a PowerPoint presentation on my project.
> Why BOS? Certain members of that hangar have a very keen
> interest in this piece. In all fairness, it will give me an
opportunity
> to show them where I stand with the project, and get their side
> of things as well.
Dear Sidney, you just don't get it. The whole concept of the QBs is to
give remembrance and respect to those aviators who have come and gone
before us. Those aviators who have nurtured, grown and championed this
wonderful experience of manned flight, many of whom paid with their
lives. Many of whom died in war so that our freedoms may continue.
Not everyone can understand this deep yet simple conviction of Quite
Respect. So the QBs don't incorporate themselves as a nonprofit, or
hold lavish Washington PAC parties, or even publish a magazine with
frequent donation joggers. This is purely a private social
organization who's members invite friends of like convictions to enjoy
a monthly group dinner and banter. And unlike the tones of this Usenet
thread, the issue of an aviator's race or religion are meaningless
concepts relative to their aviation skills and convictions.
What those QBs, and readers here on Usenet, do realize is that your
"lumbering like a bull through a china shop" attempt at getting the
inside edge or scoop cannot possibly do any good for this Group. Your
actions and efforts are diametrically opposite to everything the QBs
stand for. It is therefore not surprising that you received the
"unwelcome" you did. Your efforts now to pursue this group through
"wives and widows" further enforces the conclusions that your goals
are not sincere toward them or the Group. I only hope that no QB will
fall to your charms and invite you to a monthly dinner, for "No good
can come of this."
Mike Isaksen
Dudley Henriques
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>
>
>
> I’d appreciate it if someone would tell me where and when the BOS
> hangar of the Quiet Birdmen will hold their February meeting. I need to
> go to NYC on business next month, so I’d like to finagle an invite from
> this particular QB hangar so I can personally deliver a PowerPoint
> presentation on my project.
QB meetings are by special invitation only. I strongly suggest you not try
and "finagle" an invitation.
Stan Prevost
Uh, oh, Dudley, "strongly suggest" sounds like strongarm tactics to me. :-)
HECTOP
> chance to threaten, beat up or kill this fat 50-year-old asthmatic Jew.
> Perhaps the indefatigable HECTOP, with trusty Makarov in hand, could
> lead the charge
Sid,
Are you religious by any chance? Why don't you take this matter to your rabbi, listen to what he's got to say.
Joe Norris
This isn't going to work Sid. QB meetings are by invitation only, so....
> Why BOS? Certain members of that hangar have a very keen interest
> in this piece.
You'll just have to get one of these "keenly interested" QB members to
invite you to the meeting. That's the only way you'll get in. No QB is
going to give out the meeting place of a QB hangar except to a personal
friend whom he is inviting to the meeting.
Joe Norris
Craig Prouse
and this entire post is a forgery?
Craig
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me where and when the BOS
> hangar of the Quiet Birdmen will hold their February meeting. I need to
> go to NYC on business next month, so I'd like to finagle an invite from
> this particular QB hangar so I can personally deliver a PowerPoint
> presentation on my project. Why BOS? Certain members of that hangar
> have a very keen interest in this piece. In all fairness, it will give
> me an opportunity to show them where I stand with the project, and get
> their side of things as well. It will also give any disgruntled QBs a
> chance to threaten, beat up or kill this fat 50-year-old asthmatic Jew.
> Perhaps the indefatigable HECTOP, with trusty Makarov in hand, could
> lead the charge.
HECTOP
> Did it occur to anyone else that even Sid is probably not THIS masochistic,
> and this entire post is a forgery?
I dunno Craig, maybe you're too far for Berkeley campus (*chuckle*) so you
don't get to see too many wackos, but here in NY this one would be perfectly
believable :) I still haven't lost my faith in people ;>
Michael Isaksen
ego!
Maybe I can get one of those Handicap Car Tags to go along with being
so spelling-challenged. ;-)
sid_go...@hotmail.com
Look, I don't give a rat's ass if the "Quiet Birdmen" dig up Charles
Lindbergh and place him in the center of their little circle-jerk while
they freebase Viagra and show aerial footage of the Battle of Midway.
I'm trying to give the QB -- or at least the BOS hangar -- a chance to
see my profile on the Vegas "Wing Ding" before it's sold and is out of
my hands. If they choose to stick their collective heads in the sand
now and have a beef later, I'd better not hear jack sh*t about it!
Best regards,
Sid
sid_go...@hotmail.com
P.S. HECTOP, I checked with my rabbi. He see no problem -- IF it means
I'm good for a few more shekels.
HECTOP
> I'm trying to give the QB -- or at least the BOS hangar -- a chance to
> see my profile on the Vegas "Wing Ding" before it's sold and is out of
> my hands. If they choose to stick their collective heads in the sand
> now and have a beef later, I'd better not hear jack sh*t about it!
Psychoceramics - the study of crackpots
Dudley Henriques
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:94j07p$uoc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Forgery? You wish.
>
> Look, I don't give a rat's ass if the "Quiet Birdmen" dig up Charles
> Lindbergh and place him in the center of their little circle-jerk while
> they freebase Viagra and show aerial footage of the Battle of Midway.
>
> I'm trying to give the QB -- or at least the BOS hangar -- a chance to
> see my profile on the Vegas "Wing Ding" before it's sold and is out of
> my hands. If they choose to stick their collective heads in the sand
> now and have a beef later, I'd better not hear jack sh*t about it!
>
> Best regards,
> Sid
> sid_go...@hotmail.com
>
FWIW, the caliber of the people you want to write about will survive
anything...and I repeat....ANYTHING ,YOU can put in print. Just from what I
have learned about you and the way you project your case from this thread
alone, my guess is that the QB's really won't "give a rat's ass" what you
say, and where you say it. People like you come along all the time Sid. You
dig up some crazy crap somewhere and begin to have illusions of grandeur
about rising to fame and fortune with some kind of an expose'
Go for it will you? Take your best shot; publish whatever you want to
publish. I can tell you from a very knowledgeable position that the QB's
could care less what you do or when you do it. Learn on your own what an
absolute idiot you are; but for God's sake, take this sophomoric crap to
another forum will you please?
Jeff Cook
> I'm trying to give the QB -- or at least the BOS hangar -- a chance to
> see my profile on the Vegas "Wing Ding" before it's sold and is out of
> my hands.
Isn't 'journalism' wonderful?
--
Jeff Cook
je...@cookstudios.com
http://www.cookstudios.com
Washington DC area
MRS
> I'm a free-lance writer with little or no interest in aviation.
> However, through a fortuitous turn of events, I stumbled across this
> seemingly ultra-secretive group known as "The Ancient and Secret Order
> of Quiet Birdmen." I happened to get a great angle on what I thought
> would be a provocative story, then hit a brick wall -- and worse.
The "Quiet Birdmen" is a society of retired maffia pilots, you know,
those guys who dispatch narcotics, fake $$ and eastern prostitutes
all around the world by flying machines named "planes". These are
tough guys who have lot of experience in weird flying conditions.
They also hate nosy journalists (even free lancers), so dress like the
Blues Brothers, speak latino-slavic english and you may have a chance...
Please, don't disclose this source or I'll be shot on the spot.
mrs
TiernansDad
SidsidsidSID.
In your first post, you refered you wrote that you had done
a "preliminary investigation of circumstances surrounding this event."
even when I wrote for the college daily, they wouldn't let us publish
after a "preliminary investigation." Especially when we "hit a
brickwall," and couldn't even find someone to give us a "no comment"
for the record.
I was prepared to believe, up until this last post, that you might in
fact be a genuine journalist, and that you might in fact have been
pursuing a "good story" that someone or several someones overreacted to
enough, that you felt something sinister was being hidden. I lived in
DC long enough to know that even good people sometimes try to cover up
good things, and give journalists the wrong idea.
But now, forget it. You are either a pathological liar, trolling this
group, or the worst sort of hack writer. You don't THREATEN people with
publication of BULLSH*T stories, describing a group you admittedly can
find very little about, as sitting around in a CIRCLEJERK because no
one will answer your nosey G*DDAMM questions!! "Journalists" take time
to find out facts, and make no presumptions. When they run into a
brickwall, they don't go public, they look harder. "Journalists"
operate under a code of ethics that at least PRETENDS to objectivity.
You, sir, are a disgraceful human being, if you want to be judged
solely by your posts to this group. Now, get lost, pal. Get lost.
Brian O'Rourke
Edward Zager
|> Forgery? You wish.
|>
|> Look, I don't give a rat's ass if the "Quiet Birdmen" dig up Charles
|> Lindbergh and place him in the center of their little circle-jerk while
|> they freebase Viagra and show aerial footage of the Battle of Midway.
|>
Sid,
Before you write anything on the QB's, maybe you should consider that
Charles Lindbergh WAS a QB. I think that you would find his memory
treated with the greatest respect by the QB's.(unlike your treatment above)
Sid, why don't you go investigate and expose the Boy Scouts, you'll
find much more that you can truthfully write about than the QB's.
Edward "not a QB" Zager Focke Wulf 149JZ
sid_go...@hotmail.com
Fuhgeddaboutit.
My software marketing “day gig” notwithstanding, I am indeed a hack
writer. That’s where the money is – and there’s no heavy lifting.
The public has a fascination, perhaps even morbid curiosity, for group
behavior. Sure, we practically expect to hear of outlandish goings-on
where motorcycle gangs, street gangs, and religious cults are
concerned. So what?
That’s precisely what makes “The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet
Birdmen” thing so different. And so tantalizing.
Ever read any obituaries of QBs? For those who haven't, the Quiet
Birdmen who have “flown west,” by and large, were very accomplished
individuals. Besides military and commercial pilots – many of them
career people -- you’ll find doctors, lawyers, administrators and
upstanding professionals of all types.
I dare say that there’s not a Wendy’s busboy or Chicano carwash slug in
the bunch. (Not to mention any hack writers.)
Look, I didn’t drill a hole in a hangar wall in an attempt to videotape
QBs playing with gerbils. I honestly don’t care what the hell they do
in the hangar. The Vegas story fell into my lap -- literally. But,
c’mon, when a fraternal group – any fraternal group -- descends by the
hundreds to a party town like Las Vegas, it seems to me that they give
up their privacy, if, and I underscore IF, they get sloppy, get stupid,
or otherwise push the envelope of discretion.
I’m not saying the QBs did anything of the kind. But if, and again, let
me underscore IF, some of them did get sloppy, get stupid, or otherwise
push the envelope of discretion, then they stepped on their own dicks –
and their story is fair game.
So what’s to come of it? Dunno yet. This has all the makings of a cheap-
ass made-for-TV movie, a direct-to-video release, or, with the right
backing, a major motion picture. It’s got it all: a cross-section of
solid citizens from a “secret” fraternity, a party-atmosphere setting,
opportunistic entertainers, pissed-off wives, and it’s all fueled by
alcohol and… Well, you get the idea. Then there’s the “stonewalling,”
the “secret society” element, yada, yada, yada. Hey, y’know what? This
sumbitch got legs! Screw the cheap-ass cable TV movie idea – we’ll go
for the big-screen gusto: Newman, Cruise, Nicholson, Hackman,
Bassinger, Roberts, Lopez, et al. This is gonna be BIG! Hell, even my
deja detractors like HECTOP and Dudley will be dukin’ it out for walk-
ons…
Don't worry, I'll be sure to acknowledge all of you when I receive my
Academy Award for best screenplay. "...and I want to thank HECTOP
(sniff, sniff) and all the other naysayers on deja.com for providing a
font of inspiration..."
But for now, back to reality…
I'm sure that if, and yet again I underscore IF, something like “Quiet
Birdmen: The Naked Truth” ever makes it to the screen, most of you will
begrudgingly watch it -- even if it's only out of the morbid curiosity
I spoke of earlier.
Hell, that’s no surprise to me. Whatever the reason, it means shekels
for Sid -- and for his rabbi.
Best regards,
Sid
Jay Honeck
>
> Fuhgeddaboutit.
All joking and hyperbole aside, I (for one) would be interested in learning
more about the "Quiet Birdmen" from a responsible source.
Whether Sid here is the man for the job, well, now, that's debatable...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Warrior N33431
Jeffrey Osier-Mixon
> will be dukin’ it out for walk-ons…
Troll.
Jeff Cook
> Get lost? And give up the mother lode of materiel I'm mining here?
> Fuhgeddaboutit.
There it is. Cut him off people. Circlejerk indeed.
John Gaquin
most bigots ever accomplish through trying. I pity you.
--
Regards,
John Gaquin
Henry Kisor
respects no creed.
"John Gaquin" <jga...@ici.net> wrote in message
news:1Uub6.63$oh1....@news.goodnet.com...
Gary Drescher
asserted that the existence of some unreasonable Jewish people is the
main cause of anti-Semitism, and that unreasonable Jewish people are to
blame for anti-Semitism. These assertions are false, and blatantly
anti-Semitic.
In article <t6tdi5d...@corp.supernews.com>,
sid_go...@hotmail.com
Get a grip, people. It was HECTOP who brought up the rabbi, and being
perfectly comfortable with self-deprecating humor, I ran with it. It
isn’t easy being Jewish, or in my case, even half Jewish. My father
married an Italian, so I grew up in a mixed-religion household. But I
had the name and the nose. Ethnic humor was a part of my upbringing. By
the time I was ten I knew almost every Jew joke, polak joke, mick joke,
etc. in the book. We grew up watching Amos ‘n’ Andy. My father roared –
and rightfully so. The show was funny. Truth be told, the black sitcoms
shown today on the WB network aren’t all that far afield from the
original A&A. Ethnic and racial stereotyping are part of life. And
there was certainly no escape in the Army. I took tons of sh*t from my
fellow soldiers and NCOs. (Rarely, an officer would display some
contempt, but it happened.) We were a unit – a good one. There was give
and take. I’d help the blacks write letters, manage their money (as
with paycheck allotments, taxes, etc.) or deal with Article 15’s and
they’d teach me how to dance. (The dance part is a JOKE, people!) But
most of us learned to take it and to dish it out. It was all in fun. It
made us better able to deal with living in close quarters or being
stuck in the field. In today’s ultra-PC world we’re supposed to be
sensitive. But it’s hard for an old dog to learn new tricks. I’m sorry
if people took my comments to heart.
WIACapt
HECTOP
> Thank you for making that point. Several posts in this thread have
> asserted that the existence of some unreasonable Jewish people is the
> main cause of anti-Semitism, and that unreasonable Jewish people are to
> blame for anti-Semitism. These assertions are false, and blatantly
> anti-Semitic.
Gary,
Lack of sense of irony and sarcasm should be disqualifying from jewishness
in the first place, please refer to Lenny and Andrew Dice Clay (whoever fits
your book better)... You haven't seen real anti-semitism, and this is not
it.
By using his ethnic identity and claiming a weak physical appearance Sid
tries to justify his despicable activities and enlist support of those
who'll jump into any fray to play Al Sharpton for hurting their ethnic or
racial background, it's an old and worn trick, don't fall for it...
And yes Sid has done more to ruin jewish identity by his brainless and
blatantly provocative posts and given just given more gas to burn for the
anti-semites.
HECTOP
> Sid, you've done more in the last five days to promote anti-semitism than
> most bigots ever accomplish through trying. I pity you.
I rarely agree with Mr. Gaquin and we bump heads more often than not. But
this post could've been mine as well.
HECTOP
sid_go...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Get a grip, people. It was HECTOP who brought up the rabbi, and being
> perfectly comfortable with self-deprecating humor, I ran with it. It
> isnt easy being Jewish, or in my case, even half Jewish. My father
> married an Italian, so I grew up in a mixed-religion household. But I
> had the name and the nose. Ethnic humor was a part of my upbringing. By
> the time I was ten I knew almost every Jew joke, polak joke, mick joke,
> etc. in the book. We grew up watching Amos n Andy. My father roared
> and rightfully so. The show was funny. Truth be told, the black sitcoms
> shown today on the WB network arent all that far afield from the
> original A&A. Ethnic and racial stereotyping are part of life. And
> there was certainly no escape in the Army. I took tons of sh*t from my
> fellow soldiers and NCOs. (Rarely, an officer would display some
> contempt, but it happened.) We were a unit a good one. There was give
> and take. Id help the blacks write letters, manage their money (as
> with paycheck allotments, taxes, etc.) or deal with Article 15s and
> theyd teach me how to dance. (The dance part is a JOKE, people!) But
> most of us learned to take it and to dish it out. It was all in fun. It
> made us better able to deal with living in close quarters or being
> stuck in the field. In todays ultra-PC world were supposed to be
> sensitive. But its hard for an old dog to learn new tricks. Im sorry
> if people took my comments to heart.
> Best regards,
> Sid
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
chancre_...@my-deja.com
with an ALPA decal on the hatch. Sure impresses the strippers, doesn't
it Sid? Do you still tell them you work for United?
This is all about penis envy.
Hey Sid, c'mon back down to McP's this weekend. It's only a two hour
drive from LA. Some people are dying to meet you. And why don't you
tell these boys how you got your QB cap?
"Chancre Mechanic"
AH-1W Jockey
USMC (ret.)
In article <94mseo$798$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
chancre_...@my-deja.com
with an ALPA decal on the hatch. Sure impresses the strippers, doesn't
it Sid? Do you still tell them you work for United?
This is all about penis envy.
Hey Sid, c'mon back down to McP's this weekend. It's only a two hour
drive from LA. Some people are dying to meet you. And why don't you
tell these boys how you got your QB cap?
"Chancre Mechanic"
AH-1W Jockey
USMC (ret.)
In article <94mseo$798$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
sid_go...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
HECTOP
ok guys, this post came from:
Name: ts005d11.mer-nh.concentric.net
Address: 206.173.14.215
and "Sid Goldfarb's" posts came from:
Name: ts004d46.mer-nh.concentric.net
Address: 206.173.14.202
-----
Which are ip addresses/hostnames dynamically assigned to the concentric's
dial-up pool in Meredith, New Hamshire.
What we've got on our hands here is someone's real bad dog loose at the
keyboard or whatever else they keep as hosepets in the fine ol' green state
of NH...
Bad troll, bad bad bad!
chancre_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Bad news travels fast. I know the original poster. He drives a Corvette
> with an ALPA decal on the hatch. Sure impresses the strippers, doesn't
> it Sid? Do you still tell them you work for United?
> This is all about penis envy.
> Hey Sid, c'mon back down to McP's this weekend. It's only a two hour
> drive from LA. Some people are dying to meet you. And why don't you
> tell these boys how you got your QB cap?
> "Chancre Mechanic"
> AH-1W Jockey
> USMC (ret.)
Ralph Requa
A friend of mine told me of the raging fight going on on this Usenet site so
I, for the first time, came over to see what's going on.
Not being a newsgroup veteran I'm appalled at the reaction of some of the
group. I guess that I've lived a sheltered life on AVSIG.
I've been a QB for the past 5 or 6 years and very proud to be a member. The
organization prides it's self on anonymity and shuns the spotlight. Not that
there is anything that needs covering up, it's just the way things are done.
We like our camaraderie and to honor our members that have made their last
flight west.
You could not "fandangle" and invite to a QB meeting. Only trusted friends
are invited.
I really think that you are barking up a dead tree on this one. There is
nothing that could possibly be of any interest to the general public,
especially after Clinton and Jessie.
I'd like to say that we have many Jewish members, but I can't say that. We
don't ask.
Save yourself the money and anguish. If you found out everything that there
is to know about the QB you would be left with a story of very little
interest to any but the pilot population.
Cheers, Ralph
HLAviation
>are invited.
Now I feel special, I've been invited to meetings of QBs, OX5ers, and UFOs(I
was quite surprised by the number of men and women in this group). I enjoyed
meeting the people I met and respected all the ones I knew well and I could not
say that if I thought them to be bigots. There are often misconceptions around
exclusive groups along with some resentment from those not included.
HLAviation
>Lindbergh and place him in the center of their little circle-jerk while
>they freebase Viagra and show aerial footage of the Battle of Midway.
Oh man that called for a coke alert! Bout ruined my new lap top. What is it
you think goes on at these meetings? You're true comedy!
>I'm trying to give the QB -- or at least the BOS hangar -- a chance to
>see my profile on the Vegas "Wing Ding" before it's sold and is out of
>my hands. If they choose to stick their collective heads in the sand
>now and have a beef later, I'd better not hear jack sh*t about it!
Who are you going to sell it to, the National Enquirer or some other tabloid?
They're the only ones that will print sensationalistic lies, and if you tell
the truth, it would be too boring for anything but Parade magazine. "A group
of long time pilots who talk flying and honor dead comrads." If you want to
talk personalities, there are some there, it comes with the territory of pilots
with the experience levels of QBs. Many are ex military and also have that
background in their personalities. What is it about the QBs that intrigues you
so? If you're not really into aviation, I would think a much better expose
type story would be one on the Free Masons.
HLAviation
>ass made-for-TV movie, a direct-to-video release, or, with the right
>backing, a major motion picture.
You've got to be kidding!!! Do you really think the the media establishment
will give you money for this project? Try cross referencing a list of Media
Execs and QBs and see what kind of relationships you can find. You'll have as
much luck selling this as an expose' of the Shriners.
HLAviation
>more about the "Quiet Birdmen" from a responsible source.
Talk to a QB Jay, your a pilot and from what I gather active in you aviation
comunity, you'll probably get invited to a meeting.
HLAviation
>isn’t easy being Jewish, or in my case, even half Jewish. My father
>married an Italian,
I thought Judism ran matrilinialy.
Jay Honeck
aviation
> comunity, you'll probably get invited to a meeting.
Good trick! How do I recognize a QB?
(I know: They're quiet, and they fly, right? :)
Gary Drescher
HECTOP <ma...@remove.maxho.com> wrote:
> Gary Drescher <gldre...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Thank you for making that point. Several posts in this thread have
> > asserted that the existence of some unreasonable Jewish people is
the
> > main cause of anti-Semitism, and that unreasonable Jewish people
are to
> > blame for anti-Semitism. These assertions are false, and blatantly
> > anti-Semitic.
>
> Gary,
> Lack of sense of irony and sarcasm should be
> disqualifying from jewishness
I thought irony and sarcasm had to be presented separately to be
kosher. (There, am I re-qualified now?)
But seriously, my comment above did not address the jokes in this
thread (whatever one may think of them). The specific assertions I
complained about were neither ironic nor sarcastic; they were just
wrong.
HLAviation
>aviation
>> comunity, you'll probably get invited to a meeting.
>
>Good trick! How do I recognize a QB?
Generally older gentlemen, you probably know a couple and don't realize it.
Ask around, if asked, a QB will admit it with little flourish. Is there a
retired pilot on the fiels who owns several airplanes? I'd start there. If
he's not one he'll know who is. Is there a repair station in the area that is
the preffered place? Try there too, mechanics usually know who's who.
Ralph Requa
if you qualify for the OX5ers and UFOs you have been around some. You really
are special.
My hat's off to you, sir.
Cheers, Ralph
sid_go...@hotmail.com
borrow an expression from Jackie Mason... "WHOO-PEE GOLD-BOIG"!
Chancre Mechanic and I sometimes work together on the road. We were in
Manchester (NH) for a week to shoot customer testimonials in northern
New England as part of a corporate video series for use on my company's
web site and collateral CDs. I'm back in LA now, and Chancre Mechanic,
my prized mule of the skies, is back in San Diego. We both use
XO/Concentric for an ISP through our company. So what?
By the why, NH is far from green. It's a frozen outback of snow and ice.
Chancre Mechanic flew me and the videographer around in a light plane so
we could get some "regional" aerial footage and visit six different
customer sites from Bangor (ME) to Burlington (VT) for taping. It's a
nice place to visit and the scenery was spectacular, but, as I've been
telling my friends (yes, I have some), "I spent a year in New Hampshire
last week."
Close, HECTOP, but no cigar.
Best regards,
Sid
In article <3a6f8...@news2.lightlink.com>,
sta...@nospamflightleveldesign.com
>Bad news travels fast. I know the original poster. He drives a Corvette
>with an ALPA decal on the hatch. Sure impresses the strippers, doesn't
>it Sid? Do you still tell them you work for United?
...well, sid? you ask a lot of questions. how about a couple of
answers?
>
>This is all about penis envy.
>
>Hey Sid, c'mon back down to McP's this weekend. It's only a two hour
>drive from LA. Some people are dying to meet you. And why don't you
>tell these boys how you got your QB cap?
...well, sid? how DID you get that QB cap?
>
>"Chancre Mechanic"
>AH-1W Jockey
>USMC (ret.)
alan staats
sta...@NOSPAMflightleveldesign.com
www.flightleveldesign.com
HLAviation
>if you qualify for the OX5ers and UFOs you have been around some. You really
>are special.
>
Ha! Not hardly!=:)
When I first got into flying I helped an old man with his plane and did a
bunch of flying with him, got me time and him company, worked out well all
around. Anyway said gentleman was all three and introduced me to alot of
people and invited me along to quite a few activities. I always had a lot of
fun with him.
chancre_...@my-deja.com
this guy is a royal pain in the ass. He's huge. He won't stop talking.
Or eating. He finds fault with every restaurant, every hotel, every
airline, etc. He's an absolute prick to work for. The video guy wanted
to kill him. Flying that fat bastard around is a miserable chore. Hey
Sid, I'm taking a long vacation so find yourself another cab driver.
Chancre Mechanic
AH-1W Jockey
USMC (ret)
e-mail: chancre....@zdnetone.com
In article <3a710919....@news.primenet.com>,
WIACapt
>Good trick! How do I recognize a QB?
>
They will recognize you.
sid_go...@hotmail.com
I'm sorry you feel that way. But since you do, I hope you crash into
Taco Towers with another planeload of illegal Mexicans.
Anyone out there available for some free-lance work? These are mainly 2-
3 day trips in CONUS. All you need to do is fly three people (me, a
videographer, and a stylist), hither and yon in Bonanza/Sierra/Skyhawk-
class single-engine or sometimes Baron-class twin-engine light planes.
Not much heavy lifting. Lots of waiting around. Team players only. No
crybabies. Company makes all leasing/FBO arrangements and handles your
air travel. Just show up on time, have the right creds and run your ops
right by the book. No go in heavy weather, so be flexible time-wise.
Good pay plus per diem. Nice gig for a retired guy. Upcoming road trips
are slated for March (Great Lakes), May (rust belt) and June (central
Florida and panhandle).
Happy landings, Chancre Mechanic. You're a good pilot. The door is
always open for you.
For the record, I didn't steal the cap -- that QB geezer was just
confused when he gave it to me.
Sid
RT
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Anyone out there available for some free-lance work? These are mainly 2-
> 3 day trips in CONUS. All you need to do is fly three people (me, a
> videographer, and a stylist), hither and yon in Bonanza/Sierra/Skyhawk-
> class single-engine or sometimes Baron-class twin-engine light planes.
> Not much heavy lifting. Lots of waiting around. Team players only. No
> crybabies. Company makes all leasing/FBO arrangements and handles your
> air travel. Just show up on time, have the right creds and run your ops
> right by the book. No go in heavy weather, so be flexible time-wise.
> Good pay plus per diem. Nice gig for a retired guy. Upcoming road trips
> are slated for March (Great Lakes), May (rust belt) and June (central
> Florida and panhandle).
>
> Happy landings, Chancre Mechanic. You're a good pilot. The door is
> always open for you.
>
> For the record, I didn't steal the cap -- that QB geezer was just
> confused when he gave it to me.
Sid baby, you're a fuckwit.
Go and annoy some other newsgroup with your presence - the dudes here
(excepting me) are half respectable.
chancre....@zdnetonebox.com
Don’t worry Sid I’ll steer clear of Taco Towers. If anyone out there is
considering working for the Sidmeister you should know that even though
he’s an obnoxious load his company pays on time and they don’t question
expense reports. Hey Sid the boys at McP’s still want to talk to you.
They normally don’t allow dogfaces in the joint so you should feel
privileged.
Chancre Mechanic
AH-1W Jockey
USMC (ret.)
sid_go...@hotmail.com
because, even at my advanced age, I will bend you in half and kick your
ass like there’s no tomorrow! If you find me annoying, STAY OFF THE
THREAD! In the meantime, all I’m asking for is two things:
* Info on the “secret” fraternity known as the “Quiet Birdmen”
* Licensed pilots who want to make a few extra bucks (see previous
thread)
If you have a problem with that...too bad!
Sid
>
> Sid baby, you're a fuckwit.
>
> Go and annoy some other newsgroup with your presence - the dudes here
> (excepting me) are half respectable.
>
>
sid_go...@hotmail.com
because, even at my advanced age, I will bend you in half and kick your
ass like there’s no tomorrow! If you find me annoying, STAY OFF THE
THREAD! In the meantime, all I’m asking for is two things:
* Info on the “secret” fraternity known as the “Quiet Birdmen”
* Licensed pilots who want to make a few extra bucks (see previous
thread)
If you have a problem with that...too bad!
Sid
>
> Sid baby, you're a fuckwit.
>
> Go and annoy some other newsgroup with your presence - the dudes here
> (excepting me) are half respectable.
>
>
RT
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> A fuckwit? Son, you had better hope that we never meet in person,
> because, even at my advanced age, I will bend you in half and kick your
> ass like there's no tomorrow! If you find me annoying,
Oh **SID** sweetie - I didn't know you cared!!!!
STAY OFF THE
> THREAD! In the meantime, all I'm asking for is two things:
>
> * Info on the "secret" fraternity known as the "Quiet Birdmen"
> * Licensed pilots who want to make a few extra bucks (see previous
> thread)
>
> If you have a problem with that...too bad!
The only problem I have is with you generating noise and wasting perfectly
good electrons in your relentless search for self-aggrandisement.
*IF* there is a bunch of aged and tottery Yank pilots who like to
associate - let 'em be.
Go and write stories about boll weevils or something - you'll really relate
to *them* - and I'm sure the average boll weevil would really appreciate
your purple prose..
HECTOP
"Roses are red, violettes are blue, I'm scizhophrenic, and so am I...."
Sid Goldfarb wrote:
---
on Jan 21st:
>It will also give any disgruntled QBs a chance to threaten, beat up or
>kill this fat 50-year-old asthmatic Jew. Perhaps the indefatigable HECTOP,
>with trusty Makarov in hand, could lead the charge
on Jan 27th:
>A fuckwit? Son, you had better hope that we never meet in person,
>because, even at my advanced age, I will bend you in half and kick your
>ass like theres no tomorrow!
-----
Sid, may I suggest you keep track of poses and arrange them at least in some
logical sequence, with that kind of sophomoric acting you wouldn't land even
a table-waiting job in Hollywood.... (darn competition is so talented!)
gleefully :)
stuart
determination from behind a keyboard ain't it? Hell, I can lick anyone from
here!
Stuart:)
"HECTOP" <ma...@remove.maxho.com> wrote in message
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lordmou...@my-deja.com
to fly you around the country on business. I have a P58 Barron and a
747 type rating and over 20000 hrs of flying experience. How do we do
this? what kind of business are you in and what does your company do?
How would this be worked out? Also I see by your e-mail you like to do
investigative reporting. Maybe we can put to gether a story line.
In article <94tf4v$17d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
lordmou...@my-deja.com
Why would any one take you serious. You sound like a fat obnoxious
wannabe that can not handle the fact that you have been a failure
throughout your life. Now you want to concoct a story about secret
organizations from another planet. Well if you go to gate number 4,
your space ship is leaving on a non stop flight to nowhere. Having said
that...Are you or your company interested in renting my barron for your
business travel....What is your company? How can I get in touch with
you? It is not a secret is it? Are you a member of secret
organization.....!
I guess you spend all of your time chasing little old men and stealing
their hats.
If you need a pilot and plame contact me.....I also like mysteries maybe
we can put together a story line.....
sid_go...@hotmail.com
Lord Mountbatten,
Something tells me we wouldn't hit it off. But since you asked about my
line of work...
I fill a narrow but important niche in a major software company's
enormous marketing department. I cultivate and manage customer video
testimonials. That means I go around the country building relationships
with our customers in return for their providing video testimony that
gets used in a variety of ways for our promotional efforts. Think of it
as an attorney prepping an expert witness who needs to go on the stand
to present critical testimony to help win a case. In my situation, we
need the customer to say the right things about our company, products,
service, etc. It usually takes an hour (or more) of taping to end up
with a measly 1-minute clip that's worth
anything. For example, I'll ask the customer (off camera) about how a
particular application is used, and then "lead the witness" to get what
we call the "payoff" - the sound bite that makes the right statement.
(Example: "I'd bet my life on my Northstar M1 LORAN!") The customers I
deal with are a mix of system integrators, manufacturers, or, as in the
case of, say, the Northstar LORAN, end-users.) It's a job that calls
for politicking and schmoozing, and it can be a lot of fun. Naturally,
I try to show these people a good time (e.g., golfing, gambling,
entertainment) as part of the
cultivation process in forging our partnerships. I've raised a few
eyebrows filing expense reports, but there's never a problem if I have
something good in the can. Sure, I deal with some real shmucks once in
a while, but I take it on as a personal cause to win them over... and I
usually do. Anyway, we (me, the video guy, and a stylist) go on the
road about six times a year for up to a week at a time (for taping).
(The company I work for is a major player in realtime-processing
applications such as wireless/DSP, so it's not that unusual for us to
end up in some remote spots to get the story "up close and personal".)
Most of the other travel is me going solo to build the relationships
and to scout locations. So, Sid wines and dines customers,
takes them golfing, goes gambling at Injun casinos, does karaoke (You
should hear me belt out "New York, New York"!) does a little comedy,
and more. Most of the time it's great fun, but once in a while we get
stuck on a location (we strive for realism) in a situation that's not
fun. We spent three days last year on a big trawler out of New Bedford,
MA doing a story on some nav gear. The weather sucked, it was cold and
raw, but the food onboard was amazingly good (a Filipino cook really
knew his trade) and we had a great time shooting seagulls. (Audobon
Society and USCG be damned!) I complained that it wasn't challenging
using a 12-gauge shotgun... Man, you should have seen the look on this
fishmonger's face when the "big fat Jew in a suit" dropped a gull from
40 yards out with one shot from a Chicom SKS. Actually, it was a fairly
easy shot. The gull was coming straight in and there was no wind at the
time. The gull exploded like a cartoon character, leaving a trail of
gently falling feathers to follow his unceremonious splashdown. The
incredulous fishmonger said, "Bet you can't do that again!" I'm sure I
could have, but instead I said "Probably not" and handed him the rifle.
People love to hate me, but why rush things? That's OK. I cleaned house
playing blackjack on the long trip back in. I returned my winnings
tenfold the next night with dinner, drinks galore and a limo ride to a
great strip joint in Providence called "The Foxy Lady" where the
fishmongers whooped it up real good - all on my company AMEX card. But
I got some great material in the can, and an invite to return anytime.
That's how I make my living. Any more questions?
Now if only I could be a deep-cover mole in the bowels of the "Quiet
Birdmen"...
Best regards,
Sid
In article <9523bb$c6k$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
RT
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> MA doing a story on some nav gear. The weather sucked, it was cold and
> raw, but the food onboard was amazingly good (a Filipino cook really
> knew his trade) and we had a great time shooting seagulls. (Audobon
> Society and USCG be damned!) I complained that it wasn't challenging
> using a 12-gauge shotgun... Man, you should have seen the look on this
> fishmonger's face when the "big fat Jew in a suit" dropped a gull from
> 40 yards out with one shot from a Chicom SKS. Actually, it was a fairly
> easy shot. The gull was coming straight in and there was no wind at the
> time. The gull exploded like a cartoon character, leaving a trail of
> gently falling feathers to follow his unceremonious splashdown. The
> incredulous fishmonger said, "Bet you can't do that again!" I'm sure I
> could have, but instead I said "Probably not" and handed him the rifle.
> People love to hate me, but why rush things?
No more questions, Sid baby. You've just established you're an arsehole as
well as a fuckwit.
Now kindly go and annoy rec.anything.wannabees or equivalent so you don't
clutter up this ng. Oh - and don't forget the Pulitzer Prize potential of
the boll weevils....
k8do
Denny
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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sid_go...@hotmail.com
"RT" <r.th...@cqu.edu.au> wrote:
> No more questions, Sid baby. You've just established you're an
arsehole as
> well as a fuckwit.
>
> Now kindly go and annoy rec.anything.wannabees or equivalent so you
don't
> clutter up this ng. Oh - and don't forget the Pulitzer Prize
potential of
> the boll weevils....
>
An arsehole as well as a fuckwit? My, you’re quite the charmer. We’re
all deeply impressed.
What’s your problem, RT? Are you a bird lover, or do you simply think
that big fat Jews in suits can’t shoot straight? Thanks to Uncle Sam, I
happen to be handy with small arms. Before I shot that gull I
had “warmed up” by squeezing off 9 rounds at some junk we had just
dumped over the side. It isn’t hard to hit a 5-lb coffee can at 50
yards with a decent rifle, even if the can is bobbing a little bit on
the water. The SKS is a good piece for short-to- medium distances, and
once I was comfortable with how this particular one shot, hitting that
gull was easy. (And speaking of gulls, they’re a dirty, disease-
spreading nuisance.) I knew from previous experience that the SKS
doesn’t have the reach of an M14 or the flat-shooting characteristics
of that sorry-ass POS M16 I used to carry, but for engaging targets at
any reasonable distance it’s quite a respectable battle rifle. We had a
lot of fun on the boat that afternoon. After the seagull shoot was over
and it was “Miller Time,” the fishmongers were even more impressed when
I field stripped the SKS and cleaned it thoroughly. By the looks of
things, I don’t think they ever had.
I’m sorry if the way I comport myself on business upsets you, but I’ve
been doing this for a while now and know how to get the job done.
Best regards,
Sid
sid_go...@hotmail.com
I have successfully tracked down and identified one of the two over-
zealous "Quiet Birdmen" who "threatened" me. (The stupid bastards!)
This particular not-so-Quiet Birdman is in the greater-Boston area. How
much would it cost to have your Uncle Vanya and da boys from Brighton
Beach pay him a visit to discuss telephone etiquette? FYI: I may be a
Jew, but I don't mind paying full boat if the job is done right.
HECTOP
> zealous "Quiet Birdmen" who "threatened" me. (The stupid bastards!)
> This particular not-so-Quiet Birdman is in the greater-Boston area. How
> much would it cost to have your Uncle Vanya and da boys from Brighton
Why'd your crack dealer turn down the job?
sid_go...@hotmail.com
HECTOP <ma...@remove.maxho.com> wrote:
> sid_go...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > zealous "Quiet Birdmen" who "threatened" me. (The stupid bastards!)
> > This particular not-so-Quiet Birdman is in the greater-Boston area.
How
> > much would it cost to have your Uncle Vanya and da boys from
Brighton
>
> Why'd your crack dealer turn down the job?
>
Dunno, comrade. Perhaps he's afraid of sticking his nose in "the really
wrong laundry bag." But I've heard the Russian mafia will do ANYTHING
for money...
HECTOP
> wrong laundry bag." But I've heard the Russian mafia will do ANYTHING
> for money...
Sid,
Due to lack of research you have rather skewed understanding of the
subject :) Russians don't run construction and garbage disposal rackets, nor
they strong arm the union politics and stuff, it's a different scale of
things. What Russians do is institutional money laundering (heard of Bank
of NY case?), oil and gas transactions on global scale, diamonds by shipload
and all other kinds of nice things, most of the people I'd call russian mafia are in
general very law abiding citizens in a sense, very civilized, educated and
rich, very far from their other ethnic crowbar wrenching counterparts :)
It's a very complicated scheme of things that no foreigner has ever
benefitted from getting involved in... and it's brutality never came in
retail packaging...
sid_go...@hotmail.com
> they strong arm the union politics and stuff, it's a different scale
of
> things. What Russians do is institutional money laundering (heard of
Bank
> of NY case?), oil and gas transactions on global scale, diamonds by
shipload
> and all other kinds of nice things, most of the people I'd call
russian mafia are in
> general very law abiding citizens in a sense, very civilized,
educated and
> rich, very far from their other ethnic crowbar wrenching
counterparts :)
> It's a very complicated scheme of things that no foreigner has ever
> benefitted from getting involved in... and it's brutality never came
in
> retail packaging...
>
Really, comrade? I had no idea. I thought all the Russian mob did was
bootleg vodka, run whores, and sell nuclear weapons to terrorist
despots. The picture you paint is most impressive – and explains why so
many Russians were part (albeit behind the scenes) of the Clinton
administration. Unless you can refer me to a couple of roughneck
Chechens who need extra cash, I’ll have to find some genuine guinea
mafiosi to give the woefully misguided QB a lesson in social skills.
Minchia!
TiernansDad
sid_go...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Really, comrade? I had no idea. I thought all the Russian mob did was
> bootleg vodka, run whores, and sell nuclear weapons to terrorist
> despots. The picture you paint is most impressive – and explains why
so
> many Russians were part (albeit behind the scenes) of the Clinton
> administration. Unless you can refer me to a couple of roughneck
> Chechens who need extra cash, I’ll have to find some genuine guinea
> mafiosi to give the woefully misguided QB a lesson in social skills.
> Minchia!
>
> Best regards,
> Sid
Sid,
Like the old saying has it, don't go away mad. Just go away.
To everyone else:
Please, let's shut this clown off already. An amusingly bizarre thread
has just turned silly.
This concludes my public service announcement. We now return you to
Sid's regularly scheduled drivel.
--
Fairwinds,
Brian
jborour...@ABChotmail.comNOSPAM
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing,
after they have exhausted all the alternatives.
--Winston Churchill
HECTOP
> many Russians were part (albeit behind the scenes) of the Clinton
> administration. Unless you can refer me to a couple of roughneck
> Chechens who need extra cash,
Sid,
While we may have signifcant differences on moral issues, I really wish
you no harm. Whatever you do, stay the hell away from Chechens! These people
have a keen sense of pride and very intricate understanding of good and bad,
it's beyond most Russian's spectrum of understanding, and even further so
from any Western one, one false move around them usually leads to chopped
off heads and other efficient means of communication.
sid_go...@hotmail.com
>one false move around them usually leads to chopped
> off heads and other efficient means of communication.
>
> --
> HECTOP
> PP-ASEL/BOFH
> http://www.maxho.com
> maxho_at_maxho.com
>
Oy vey… I’d better call Rent-a-Thug of Grozny and cancel my order. But
seriously, thanks for the tip. Sounds like the Chechens would be way
over the top for my relatively sedate feather-ruffling mission. Hell,
all I need is a menacing wiseguy –- preferably with a gardenia, pinkie
ring and violin case -- to grab the lily-livered QB by the collar and
sneer, “Hey asso…leave da Jew-boy alone, y’unnerstan’? He’s jus’ tryin’
to make a livin’…”
Bradley Hackworth
Why don't you just drop it. This is an "aviation piloting" newsgroup, not a
"hire a hitman" newsgroup
<sid_go...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> >one false move around them usually leads to chopped
> > off heads and other efficient means of communication.
> >
> > --
> > HECTOP
> > PP-ASEL/BOFH
> > http://www.maxho.com
> > maxho_at_maxho.com
> >
>
> Oy vey. I'd better call Rent-a-Thug of Grozny and cancel my order. But
> seriously, thanks for the tip. Sounds like the Chechens would be way
> over the top for my relatively sedate feather-ruffling mission. Hell,
> all I need is a menacing wiseguy -- preferably with a gardenia, pinkie
> ring and violin case -- to grab the lily-livered QB by the collar and
> sneer, "Hey asso.leave da Jew-boy alone, y'unnerstan'? He's jus' tryin'
> to make a livin'."
sid_go...@hotmail.com
"Bradley Hackworth" <hackw...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sid,
> Why don't you just drop it. This is an "aviation piloting"
newsgroup, not a
> "hire a hitman" newsgroup
>
would certainly like that, wouldn’t they? Fat chance. A newsgroup
about “aviation piloting” is exactly where I should be. Where else
would I go for information about “The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet
Birdmen”? (If you have a problem with it, Brad, IGNORE THE THREAD!) The
fact is that I was “threatened” by two “Quiet Birdmen.” One threatened
me in person; the other used a telephone. Their ham-fisted tactics,
which resulted in my filing a police report, caused fear and alarm in
my household, adversely affected my son’s schoolwork, and placed undue
tension in my marriage. I don’t know about you, but I have a very low
tolerance for tough talking members of a “secret” club who anonymously
threaten people by hiding behind a telephone. It may very well be that
these two “Quiet Birdmen” are atypical of the breed. I hope so. Only
after overwhelming legal pressure, the QB who threatened me in person
finally succumbed and explained his actions to the police. (He had
little choice, as my wife and son witnessed the threat.) But I’ll “drop
it” only when I meet with his co-conspirator -- the overly
zealous “Quiet Birdman” who called me -- preferably in the presence of
his “esteemed” peers during one of their “secret” hangar meetings where
we can all set the record straight. There, he can repeat the threat,
deny the threat, or explain the threat as an “excited utterance” or
misunderstanding. In any case, he’ll have to do it in my presence and
that of the court officer who will be accompanying me. Believe me when
I say I’m working hard to find an in to the hangar meeting for just
that purpose, but they keep stonewalling. Don’t they know *they* are
the ones who are exacerbating the problem? Hopefully the
holdout “Quiet Birdman” (who's been doing a great ostrich imitation, it
seems)will have the balls to come front-and-center to claim
responsibility for his juvenile actions. God help the poor bastard –
and “The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen” in general – if he
doesn’t do it soon, because when I finally identify him – and I most
assuredly will -- I’ll run him up the flagpole so high, every news
outlet in America will know of “The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet
Birdmen” and their stupid little tricks. And it will be a cold day in
hell when “The Ancient and Secret Order of Quiet Birdmen” drop another
dime on Sid Goldfarb.
In the meantime, Brad, the beat goes on. For the rest of you, keep all
that (hat)e-mail coming! It’s a real motivator!