Fox in Europe?
Robert Langridge
Seat, and if so what is its designation? (Fox?) If there is such an
equivalent, could someone tell me the price range and applicable taxes
of these delivered in Germany or in Greece (I have a family reason for
the latter question).
Please e-mail directly to me, or post if you think the response may
be of general interest.
Bob Langridge Phone: +1 415 476-2630, -1540, -5128
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>Is there an equivalent to the VW Fox in Europe, either from VW or from
>Seat, and if so what is its designation? (Fox?) If there is such an
>equivalent, could someone tell me the price range and applicable taxes
>of these delivered in Germany or in Greece (I have a family reason for
>the latter question).
>
>
>Computer Graphics Laboratory FAX: +1 415 476-0688
>926 Medical Sciences
>University of California E-Mail: r...@cgl.ucsf.edu
>San Francisco CA 94143-0446
hi,
The VW Fox is called the Polo in Europe; AFAIK the import duty on cars is well over 50%, (it used to be 100%+) in Greece. So don't buy it in Greece. Belgium,
Holland and other Northern European countries have a much less draconian tax
levy on cars, they are also *much* cheaper !
If you intend running the car in Greece, then it is possible to do so at 12
months at a time, then take it out of the country, reimport it OR sell it to
another member of your family !! (all this is from memory whilst speaking to
a few Greek friends whilst we were drinking, so the exact details might not
be accurate, but the majority of it is ok :-)
regards
Chun
Bruce A Weisberg
I once asked this question of a German student at my school, and
he indicated that the "Fox" made by VW is the european version of the VW Rabbit
---- Can anyone verify this?
BAW
Nicos Kontopoulos
>In article <rl.711...@cgl.ucsf.edu> r...@socrates.ucsf.edu (Robert Langridge) writes:
>>Is there an equivalent to the VW Fox in Europe, either from VW or from
>>Seat, and if so what is its designation? (Fox?)
>
>The VW Fox is called the Polo in Europe; AFAIK the import duty on cars is
>well over 50%, (it used to be 100%+) in Greece. So don't buy it in Greece.
>Belgium, Holland and other Northern European countries have a much less
>draconian tax levy on cars, they are also *much* cheaper !
No, it is not called Polo! The Polo is a small automobile made by VW. It
comes out as a coupe or hatchback. Both of the body styles come with a third
(or fifth) rear door, but the Polo has never, ever had a trunk like the Fox
does. Furthermore, the Polo is much smaller than the Golf (for comparison).
Now, if you feel that the Fox may be based on the same chasis as the Polo,
then maybe I could agree with you. But it definately is not the same car!
Please be careful on what information you provide...
>regards
>
>Chun
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Richard A. Jones
Golfs are the most common. In Italy a lot of them are GTDs. There
are quite a few new Passats roaring along the autostrada.... The
small VW Polo is common, too. I was surprised at no Jettas--I saw
exactly one in Italy. My guess is that the Jetta is primarily a
US market car. The Fox here (made in Brasil, right?) doesn't look
at all like the Polo in Europe and the Polo appears to be a smaller
wheelbase car. I spent a day touring near Canterbury in a Polo.
Sitting in the left front seat as a passenger is a kick for a little
while!
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> In article <rl.711...@cgl.ucsf.edu> r...@socrates.ucsf.edu (Robert Langridge) writes:
>>Is there an equivalent to the VW Fox in Europe, either from VW or from
> hi,
> The VW Fox is called the Polo in Europe; AFAIK the import duty on cars is well over 50%, (it used to be 100%+) in Greece. So don't buy it in Greece. Belgium,
>
> Chun
The VW Fox, the one which is made in Brasil, and sold here in North
America, is basically an updated, reskinned old Audi 80, which has the
engine ahead of the front axle, longitudinally. The Polo was the sister
car of the Audi 50, which had the engine sideways, like in a Golf, except
the whole car was smaller. That line was never imported to North America.
Have they changed the layout of the Polo? Has it inherited mechanicals
from the bigger Audis?
Peter
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>>The VW Fox is called the Polo in Europe; AFAIK the import duty on cars is
>>well over 50%, (it used to be 100%+) in Greece. So don't buy it in Greece.
>>Belgium, Holland and other Northern European countries have a much less
>>draconian tax levy on cars, they are also *much* cheaper !
>
>No, it is not called Polo! The Polo is a small automobile made by VW. It
>comes out as a coupe or hatchback. Both of the body styles come with a third
>(or fifth) rear door, but the Polo has never, ever had a trunk like the Fox
>does. Furthermore, the Polo is much smaller than the Golf (for comparison).
>
>Now, if you feel that the Fox may be based on the same chasis as the Polo,
>then maybe I could agree with you. But it definately is not the same car!
>
>Please be careful on what information you provide...
>
>>regards
>>
>>Chun
>
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The hatchback, coupe AND trunk 4 door is called ** POLO ** !!!!! (In the U.K)
and the rest of Europe
The original late 70s 4 door Polo was called the Derby, but that designation
was dropped ages ago !!!
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Chun
C.W...@lut.ac.uk
>>comes out as a coupe or hatchback. Both of the body styles come with a third
>>(or fifth) rear door, but the Polo has never, ever had a trunk like the Fox
>>does. Furthermore, the Polo is much smaller than the Golf (for comparison).
>>
>>Now, if you feel that the Fox may be based on the same chasis as the Polo,
>>then maybe I could agree with you. But it definately is not the same car!
>>
>>Please be careful on what information you provide...
>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>Chun
>>
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>
> The hatchback, coupe AND trunk 4 door is called ** POLO ** !!!!! (In the U.K)
>and the rest of Europe
>
>The original late 70s 4 door Polo was called the Derby, but that designation
>was dropped ages ago !!!
>
>---- Check your facts out before broadcasting world wide --------------
>
>
>Chun
>
>
another follow on article, yes the Polo is available in 5 door, 4 door with
trunk and coupe format.
The Fox is a different animal - sorry Nickos,
it is not normally available outside of N.A.
regards
Chun
Ti Kan
>The VW Fox, the one which is made in Brasil, and sold here in North
>America, is basically an updated, reskinned old Audi 80
Yes, the old "Audi 80" was known as the Audi Fox in North America, and
the VW Dasher (Passat elsewhere). The VW Fox is known as the VW Voyage
in Brazil. Although all these cars share a common engine/transmission
layout, the VW Fox is not simply an old Audi Fox in new clothes.
The rear suspension is different, the interior and dashboard are
different, and none of the body panels are interchangeable.
-Ti
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Robert Langridge
The reason for the query was that I won a 1991 VW Fox in a drawing held
at our local VW dealer (the first time I have ever won anything worth
more than a few dollars :-) The auto is right off the showroom floor,
bright red and of course in mint condition.
Nice as it is to win, the vehicle does not fit easily into our family
transportation plans (my wife insists on an automatic and I have an '86 GTI).
It is possible I might work out a deal for a partial trade of the Fox and
my GTI for a new GTI, but there is not much point as I am very happy with
my present one.
Since this car will cost me relatively little (income tax payable on the
dollar equivalent) I contemplated exporting it to Greece, where my oldest
daughter is an archaeologist, and, more importantly, is getting married
shortly and settling in Corinth. Even with the freight charges, and with
the tax exemption she will get to import her worldly goods into Greece, the
car would be cheaper than the equivalent vehicle purchased in Greece (unless
someone knows of a way around this :-) However, the Fox is apparently
sold only in the Americas, and there is little point in her having a
car which is not routinely serviceable in Greece (once again, if someone
knowledgeable assures me that parts are easy to come by and that service
should not be a problem, I'd like to hear from you)
HOWEVER :-) if anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area or nearby is interested
in making an offer for this vehicle, please send me e-mail. I will be at
SIGGRAPH in Chicago next week, so don't expect an immediate reply.
Once again, many, many thanks to the netters for your very helpful replies
to my original query...
Bob Langridge (r...@cgl.ucsf.edu)
Tom Haapanen
> The small VW Polo is common, too. I was surprised at no Jettas--I saw
> exactly one in Italy. My guess is that the Jetta is primarily a
> US market car. The Fox here (made in Brasil, right?) doesn't look
> at all like the Polo in Europe and the Polo appears to be a smaller
> wheelbase car.
I decided to go and enhance/update my VW/Audi type guide, and I'm enclosing
it in this post. Hopefully some of you will find this enlightening -- and
I welcome any correction and/or additions!
Incidentally, Jetta is most definitely sold in Europe as well, but it
doesn't sell well in central and southern Europe (but better in Sweden and
Finland).
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CURRENT VW TYPES:
A01: 1975-1980
Polo, Derby
A small car with a transverse FWD layout. Derby is a sedan version
of the Polo; both available with 2 doors only.
A02: 1981-
Polo, Polo Coupe, Derby/Polo Sedan
A small car with a transverse FWD layout. Derby later renamed Polo
Sedan. Base Polo has almost vertical hatchback, while Coupe is
sportier looking. All are available with 2 doors only. Facelifted
for 1991.
A1: 1974-1983
Golf/Rabbit, Jetta, Scirocco, Cabriolet, Pickup/Caddy
Compact cars with transverse FWD. Jetta has a trunk, while Scirocco
(2-door only) is a sportier design. A1 Scirocco production ended in
1990, while Cabriolet and Caddy (Pickup) continue to be based on the
A1 chassis. US and Mexican production continued until 1984. Face-
lifted in 1980 (1981 in the US).
A2: 1984-1991
Golf, Jetta, Corrado
Compact cars with transverse FWD. Jetta has a trunk, while Corrado
(2-door only) is a sporty version. Mexican production continued until
1992. Syncro AWD available.
A3: 1992-
Golf, Vento/Jetta
Compact cars with transverse FWD. Vento/Jetta has a trunk.
B1: 1973-1979
Passat/Dasher, Passat Variant
Mid-sized cars with longitudonal FWD. The original fastback design
with a separate trunk was changed to a hatchback in 1976.
B2: 1980-1987
Passat, Santana/Quantum, Passat Variant/Quantum Wagon
Mid-sized cars with longitudonal FWD. Base varsion a hatchback,
with Santana/Quantum a sedan version. 4-door only. Audi-based
Syncro AWD available. Production continues in China.
B3: 1988-
Passat, Passat Variant/Passat Wagon
Mid-sized cars with transverse FWD. 4-door only. Syncro AWD
available.
T1: 1950-1972
Transporter, Bus, Camper
A utility vehicle/truck with rear air-cooled engine.
T2: 1973-1979
Transporter, Bus, Camper
A utility vehicle/truck with rear air-cooled engine.
T3: 1980-1990
Transporter, Bus/Vanagon, Camper
A utility vehicle/truck with rear water-cooled engine. Syncro AWD
available.
T4: 1991-
Transporter, Bus/EuroVan, Camper
A utility vehicle/truck with transverse FWD.
LT1: 1975-
LT
light and medium-duty utility vehicles/trucks.
CURRENT AUDI TYPES:
A01: 1974-1978
Audi 50
The twin to VW Polo, introduced before its sibling. 2-door hatchback
only.
B1: 1973-1979
Audi 80/Fox, Audi Fox Wagon
Mid-sized car with longitudonal FWD. First only with 2-door, but
later available as 4-door as well. Wagon only available in North
America.
B2: 1980-1987
Audi 80, 90, 4000, Coupe, Quattro
Mid-sized car with longitudonal FWD or AWD. 2-door and 4-door
versions available (except Coupe and Quattro 2-door only). 90
was a 5-cylinder version of 80; quattro AWD available for all
models.
B3: 1988-1991
Audi 80, 90, Coupe, S2
Mid-sized car with longitudonal FWD or AWD. 4-door only. Quattro
AWD available for all models.
B4: 1992-
Audi 80, Coupe, S2
Mid-sized car with longitudonal FWD or AWD. 4-door only. Quattro
AWD available for all models. S2 is a high-performance version of
the Coupe. A mild revision of B3 chassis.
C1: 1969-1976
Audi 100, 100 Coupe
Large car with longitudonal FWD. 4-door only, except Coupe as
2-door only.
C2: 1977-1982
Audi 100, 200, 5000, Avant
Large car with longitudonal FWD. 4-door only. 200 has turbocharged
engine (similar to 5000 Turbo). Avant is a wagon version. Quattro
AWD available.
C3: 1983-1991
Audi 100, 200, 5000, Avant
Large car with longitudonal FWD. 4-door only. 200 has turbocharged
engine (similar to 5000 Turbo). Avant is a wagon version. Quattro
AWD available. 5000 renamed to 100/200 in North America after 1988.
C4: 1992-
Audi 100, Avant, S4
Large car with longitudonal FWD. 4-door only. Quattro AWD available
for all models. S4 is a high-performance version using a turbocharged
5-cylinder engine. A moderate revision of C3 chassis.
D1: 1990-
Audi V8
Large car with longitudonal AWD. 4-door only.
CURRENT SEAT TYPES:
A01: 1994- (?)
Marbella
A very small car with transverse FWD. Based on some Polo components.
[Current Marbella is not VW-based or derived.]
A1: 1993- (?)
Ibiza
A small car with transverse FWD. Based on A02/A03 Polo, but larger.
[Current Ibiza is not VW-based or derived.]
B1: 1992-
Toledo
A small/mid-size car with transverse FWD. Based on, but slightly
larger than A2/A3 Golf/Jetta. 4-door sedan only.
OLD VW TYPES:
Type I: 1938-
Beetle, Cabriolet, Karmann Ghia, 181/Thing
A small car with an upright air-cooled engine.
Type II: 1950-
Transporter, Bus, Camper
A utility vehicle (truck) with either an upright (early) air-cooled,
pancake (middle) air-cooled engine, or a pancake (late) water-cooled
engine.
Type III: 1962-1973
Sedan/Notchback, Coupe/Fastback, Variant/Squareback, Karmann Ghia
A mid-sized car with a pancake engine.
Type IV: 1968-1974
Sedan (2/4-door), Variant
A large car with a pancake engine.
OTHERS: [Anyone know whether these fit at all into the VW nomenclature?]
VW-Porsche 914: 1970-1976
Coupe
A mid-engine coupe designed by Porsche and built by Volkswagen.
K70: 1971-1975
Sedan
A large car with a watercooled inline-4.
Iltis: 1982-
Convertible
A four-wheel drive utility vehicle designed largely for military use,
using both Beetle and Golf components.
Fox/Voyage:
A small car with a longitudonal FWD layout. Made in Braxil and
exported to North America.