Where can I get an old style non CARB 5-gal gasoline can?
Brent
I pine for the days when 5-gallong gas jugs had a pour spout and a vent.
All the gasoline cans I can find in the stores are something called "CARB
compliant". They are miserable abominations.
I've never spilled so much gasoline in my life!
One model has an on/off lever, but you have to use two hands at all times,
one to hold the can, the other to keep pressed down on the lever, and the
third hand to hold the funnel. The moment you let up on the lever, the
handle locks shut, necessitating a manual reset.
The other type has only a push-to-open tab which you supposedly press
against the lip of the tool you're filling. Forget using funnels with this
method. And, since the spout fills the opening of the tool you're filling,
you can't see when it's full until you spill it all over the outside of the
tool.
There must be somewhere I can get the old-style gas cans.
What is the reason for these CARB abominations anyway?
Any idea where to get the old style 5-gallon gas cans?
willy
Nate Nagel
> I use my old fuel jugs:
>
>
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p4712.m570.l1312&_nkw=fuel+jug&_sacat=See-All-Categories
or search eBay for "Jerry Can" - just be aware that there are several
different kinds and the nozzles are not interchangeable between them.
nate
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Frank
Blame the gov'mint.
At least that is what the guy in the hardware store told me when all I
could find were these new crappy cans. They may keep in fumes but I've
spilled more gas with them. With no vents, you get blurping. It may be
a state by state option of finding them.
Steve W.
Take a look at Kerosene and diesel jugs. Most of the ones sold around
here are still the older non-CARB types.
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LSMFT
I modified one of those cuntrified cans. I found you can buy a separate
nozzle with a nice twist shut off nozzle. Then I drilled a hole in the
back end top of the can and put a screw in it when not in use. I just
remove the screw, tip the can up and twist the nozzle to pour and twist
to shut it off. Has a nice long clear spout with cap too.
--
LSMFT
I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months.
I don't like to interrupt her.
HeyBub
> Where can I get an old style non CARB compliant 5-gal gasoline can?
>
> I pine for the days when 5-gallong gas jugs had a pour spout and a
> vent. All the gasoline cans I can find in the stores are something
> called "CARB compliant". They are miserable abominations.
>
You may be tempted to modify your new-style can so that it actually works.
I betcha there is a significant sanction, like jail, fine, and/or flailing,
if you do so.
It's for the children.
Harry K
Give them time and they will come up with a can that will only allow
gasoline to go _in_ and never out. They have almost succeeded with
that abortion with the lever you have to hold open.
Harry K
Dean Hoffman
> Where can I get an old style non CARB compliant 5-gal gasoline can?
>
> I pine for the days when 5-gallong gas jugs had a pour spout and a vent.
> All the gasoline cans I can find in the stores are something called "CARB
> compliant". They are miserable abominations.
>
Some cut.
We used the old five gallon oil cans out on the farm. Some still
available on Ebay.
dpb
...
> We used the old five gallon oil cans out on the farm. ...
Was going to say/suggest same thing. Fortunately, still have a sizable
collection that will outlast me...
Where to look would be highly dependent on where OP is located, I'd
think. Major city/urban area would be tougher I'd think than rural
given few city-folk deal in bulk oil products.
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They will make them so safe that people will go back to using glass milk
jugs for the ga s.
George
Places that require Algore cans:
CARB Compliant, Can Be Sold In CA, CT, DC, DE, MD, ME, NH, NJ, NY, OH,
PA, TX & 5 Northern Counties Of VA
willshak
You can blame the People's Republik of Kalifornia for that.
CARB = California Air Resources Board.
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In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
dpb
> Dean Hoffman wrote:
> ...
>> We used the old five gallon oil cans out on the farm. ...
>
> Was going to say/suggest same thing. Fortunately, still have a sizable
> collection that will outlast me...
Speaking of which, I've not tried it as the form factor isn't quite as
convenient but the current 5-gal plastic pails w/ the pour spout used
for motor/hydraulic/etc. oil would certainly hold gasoline as well.
Most of those the spouts pour reasonably well if not perfectly. Those
should be relatively easy to find one of -- if nothing else by 5-gal of
whatever motor oil one uses and transfer it to something else... :)
--
HeyBub
Heh! Those are harder to find than metal gas cans. However,
Empty bleach jugs work well.
But to solve the original problem: If you can snuggle the mower up next to
the car, there are siphon hoses that can defeat the filling-hose interlock
business on the gas tank.
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.olive-drab.com/od_mvg_jerry_can_metal_gas.php
Or see if there are any Army-Navy surplus stores near you.I think
nowadays they are made of plastic.
cuhulin
JIMMIE
I put my screw through a wing nut so I can take it out easier. Add a
drop of Loctite and never worry about the screw and nut coming loose.
Jimmie
aemeijers
If you do that, don't forget to hit the tops with a spray can of red
paint before you fill them the first time, lest some busybody at the gas
station get on you for using the wrong can.
(When did red become 'required', anyway? Back in stone age, we had
several pretty navy blue Belknap 5-gallon cans, with a seperate tiny lid
for venting. No keeper chains, though, so you always had to be careful
where you set it down.)
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aem sends...
hal...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
the blue is a good idea, its for kerosene only.
mix gasoline in a kerosene container and bam explosion when using
kerosene in a kerosene heater.
that happened in manufacturing somehere, kerosene got contaminated
with gasolie some amish died.
dpb
...
> that happened in manufacturing somehere, kerosene got contaminated
> with gasolie some amish died.
And to make matters even worse, they couldn't get any insurance... :(
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cuh...@webtv.net
mounted in a wall.He broke wind and a flame shot up his rear end.That
gas is tough!
cuhulin
hal...@aol.com
i think the supplier paid some compensation. certinally hope so the
kerosene was all recalled. i guess it was re refined.
interestingly the supplier faxed the amish who are allowed phones and
electric in their barns but not their homes for business purposes
Dean Hoffman
> Where can I get an old style non CARB compliant 5-gal gasoline can?
>
>
Some cut.
Have you tried a search for "safety can"? One of those might suit
your needs. Spendy, though.
The Daring Dufas
I remember when toilets would flush and shower heads would flow
before some government agency got hold of them.
TDD
Brent
> the current 5-gal plastic pails w/ the pour spout used
> for motor/hydraulic/etc. oil would certainly hold gasoline as well.
This might be a good idea, if I understand you correctly.
I buy a oil-changing can with a pour spout, and then I fill the abominable
CARB gas can with gas.
When I need to pour out the five gallons, I remove the abominable CARB
spout, and just pour the 5 gallons of gasoline into the clean oil-changing
tub.
Then, I can pour from the oil-changing tub into the on-road vehicle or
wherever I need it at that moment without having to deal with the
abominable CARB spout.
Is that what you were suggesting? ('cuz it's a great idea!).
Ed Pawlowski
"The Daring Dufas" <the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote
>
> I remember when toilets would flush and shower heads would flow
> before some government agency got hold of them.
>
There was a spell when they did not work well at all, but engineering has
overcome those problems. There are plenty of 1.6 gallon toilets that work
perfectly. I like my low flow shower too, but many do suck.
The Daring Dufas
We have one of the flush and pray models. My friend has one of the
pressure tank models that will geld you if you flush it while you
sit on it. When I travel, I carry my own shower head and tools to
change them out at hotel/motels.
TDD
Stormin Mormon
standard came to be, but red is gasoline, blue for kerosene, yellow
for diesel.
With any luck, green will be for E-85 fuel, when they get around to
making a color for that.
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Stormin Mormon
twice" toilets.
And shower heads that would actually rinse soap off? Same comment
about faucet aerators.
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Stormin Mormon
they suck the shampoo out of your hair, and then there is shampoo in
the domestic water line?
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cuh...@webtv.net
Don't forget to Flush.
Back to fuel cans.Why not paint, Gas, for Gasoline cans, Kerosene, for
Kerosene cans, Diesel, for Diesel fuel cans.
cuhulin
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> Where can I get an old style non CARB compliant 5-gal gasoline can?
>
> I pine for the days when 5-gallong gas jugs had a pour spout and a vent.
> All the gasoline cans I can find in the stores are something called "CARB
> compliant". They are miserable abominations.
>
> I've never spilled so much gasoline in my life!
>
> One model has an on/off lever, but you have to use two hands at all times,
> one to hold the can, the other to keep pressed down on the lever, and the
> third hand to hold the funnel. The moment you let up on the lever, the
> handle locks shut, necessitating a manual reset.
>
> The other type has only a push-to-open tab which you supposedly press
> against the lip of the tool you're filling. Forget using funnels with this
> method. And, since the spout fills the opening of the tool you're filling,
> you can't see when it's full until you spill it all over the outside of the
> tool.
>
> There must be somewhere I can get the old-style gas cans.
> What is the reason for these CARB abominations anyway?
>
> Any idea where to get the old style 5-gallon gas cans?
My husband Bill does this whenever he's forced to buy the EPA-mandated gas
can
1. He cuts off the child-proof small tab that makes removing the cap to
refill so difficult. Unscrewing the cap still takes FORCE so no "child" is
going to be able to remove it anyway (did the EPA ever raise kids? That tab
is overkill!). A gas cap is screwed on so tightly I have trouble removing
it. I can't imagine a "child" removing it. Any child that has that kind of
strength also can defeat the child-proof tab!
2. He pops out the plastic-spring-loaded switch that prevents you from
pressing down twice. Now you can pour gas, let up on the handle to let it
settle, press down again to pour. With that lock-tab in place, you have to
spill the gas before you can see where the gas level is in the tank you're
filling or you have to put the can down, switch hands, re-press that
switch, and pour anew.
He hasn't drilled a vent hole yet, which would be the next step. I would
worry about multiple use with just a wood screw as some have mentioned.
What kind of vent can be drilled that will keep gas in but will be able to
be used many times without stripping?
And, what was wrong with the old vent & easy pour mechanism anyway?
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
My gas can has a vent in the nozzle. When the nozzle get submerged it stops,
sorta. I've found that if I stick the nozzle an inch-and-a-half down in the
tank it cuts off pretty close to full. Other than the silly plastic
child-proof tab it has no other safety features on it. The thing I *don't*
like is that there is no good way to seal the can, other than putting the
plastic disc between the nozzle and the can, which means disassembling the
thing twice for each use.
aemeijers
(snip)
>
> My gas can has a vent in the nozzle. When the nozzle get submerged it stops,
> sorta. I've found that if I stick the nozzle an inch-and-a-half down in the
> tank it cuts off pretty close to full. Other than the silly plastic
> child-proof tab it has no other safety features on it. The thing I *don't*
> like is that there is no good way to seal the can, other than putting the
> plastic disc between the nozzle and the can, which means disassembling the
> thing twice for each use.
I HATE my 5-gallon can. Even if I only put 4 gallons in it (now my
standard practice), the angles of the nozzle make it impossible to get
it down in the fill hole on my mower without a stream going across the
top of the mower first. These idiots need to look at some old cans, or
even a long-neck watering can, for some ideas on how to make a can you
can actually pour from. Even a little turn-down at the end of the nozzle
would help. Wonder if anybody makes a angled filler neck/funnel that
screws on to a lawnmower gas tank, and has a bigger larger lid, so you
could just leave it in place all the time? My can would work fine for
refueling a pickup truck.
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Roger Blake
> I remember when toilets would flush and shower heads would flow
> before some government agency got hold of them.
Ours still do, we have the good old-fashioned kind. For that matter I
have a basement full of incandescent light bulbs socked away and will
continue to use them after the "ban" on their sale goes into effect.
I refuse to let the federal scumbags dictate to me what kind of toilet I
use, what kind of shower I wash with, or what kind of light bulbs are
installed in my house. Screw 'em.
--
Roger Blake
(Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled due to spam.)
"Obama dozed while people froze."
dpb
Well, I was suggesting using the 5-gal oil can just like one would use
an old-style metal or plastic can w/o the intermediate step. W/ a wide
spout, it'll probably pour well enough; if not, the funnel that (I think
it was OP) would certainly be enough.
Being on farm w/ fairly sizable acreage around the house, besides the
actual farm equipment (and since some of the tractors/combines/etc have
as large as 250 gal tanks on them) I don't have much of anything that is
very small to deal with. :)
I do have a pair of 2-1/2 gal plastic containers (probably anyway 30 yr
old :) ) w/ a 8" or so spout. One holds the 2-cycle mix for trimmer and
chainsaw, etc., and the other is convenient for the small lawn
tractor/trim mower/hand tiller/etc. Other than that, everything is
filled from a bulk tank for either gas or diesel. I have 100 gal diesel
and 40 gal gasoline transfer tanks w/ transfer pumps permanently in the
4x4 for field refueling and I refill a couple of the 5-gal old metal
cans and leave them in the shop to refill the smaller ones from from it.
Equit comes and fills the bulk tanks at beck and call and if the 4x4
is sitting there when they come, they fill it, too. Unfortunately, they
have always sent the invoices at the end of the month. :(
So, sorta', but not quite I think... :)
--
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
I had one like that; left it in Vermont. The nozzle on the one I bought to
replace it is pretty flexible. I don't spill anything, even with a full can
and it shuts off before overflowing the tank, as long as I stick it far enough
in. Other than no good cap on the nozzle, it's fine. It seems none have a
good cap anymore.
Red
Address.invalid> wrote:
> Where can I get an old style non CARB compliant 5-gal gasoline can?
>
> What is the reason for these CARB abominations anyway?
>
> Any idea where to get the old style 5-gallon gas cans?
AFAIK, they're required by the EPA everywhere in the USA. Along with
a fine of $150 per each non-compliant can sold by any retailer.
That's why you can't find the non-compliant ones anymore. FWIW, EPA
does not regulate the nozzle design, just the specs it must meet.
Therefore, the crappy ones we're seeing could be made much better if
the manufacturers get enough complaints.
Google EPA and portable fuel containers.
Red
Robert Neville
>AFAIK, they're required by the EPA everywhere in the USA. Along with
>a fine of $150 per each non-compliant can sold by any retailer.
>That's why you can't find the non-compliant ones anymore. FWIW, EPA
>does not regulate the nozzle design, just the specs it must meet.
>Therefore, the crappy ones we're seeing could be made much better if
>the manufacturers get enough complaints.
>Google EPA and portable fuel containers.
Seems like a great business opportunity - sell just the old style nozzle. They
can't tap you for selling an unapproved container. Don't even reference gas -
call it water or just liquid.
AMuzi
Businesses who want to wrestle in the mud with Carol Browner
sign up now. Death match too; she has the IRS on her side.
Good luck.
--
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
dpb
...
> Being on farm w/ fairly sizable acreage around the house, besides the
> actual farm equipment (and since some of the tractors/combines/etc have
> as large as 250 gal tanks on them) I don't have much of anything that is
> very small to deal with. :)
...
Which seems large except consumption at load is 12-15 gal/hr so during
peak harvest it may mean refilling that puppy almost completely daily...
:(
Of course to compensate, cover a lot of acres in a day as compared to
years ago w/ a little 14- or 18-ft header at half the ground speed as well.
--
Rudy
AFAIK, they're required by the EPA everywhere in the USA. Along with
a fine of $150 per each non-compliant can sold by any retailer.
That's why you can't find the non-compliant ones anymore
Picked up two 5 GAL (there were more) at a Mobile Home park "sidewalk sale"
last Spring.
$ 1.50 and $ 2.00 ea.
Got some DIAZINON for FREE too ! Still factory sealed
The Daring Dufas
> On 2010-06-13, The Daring Dufas<the-dari...@peckerhead.net> wrote:
>> I remember when toilets would flush and shower heads would flow
>> before some government agency got hold of them.
>
> Ours still do, we have the good old-fashioned kind. For that matter I
> have a basement full of incandescent light bulbs socked away and will
> continue to use them after the "ban" on their sale goes into effect.
>
> I refuse to let the federal scumbags dictate to me what kind of toilet I
> use, what kind of shower I wash with, or what kind of light bulbs are
> installed in my house. Screw 'em.
>
What? The light bulbs or government minions? *snicker*
TDD
Robert Neville
>> Seems like a great business opportunity - sell just the old style nozzle. They
>> can't tap you for selling an unapproved container. Don't even reference gas -
>> call it water or just liquid.
>
>Businesses who want to wrestle in the mud with Carol Browner
>sign up now. Death match too; she has the IRS on her side.
>Good luck.
True... Best to put a big disclaimer on the ad - "Not To Be Used for Gas
Containers". That should surely solve the problem.
Don Klipstein
I would like to point out that the best-flushing toilets I ever saw are
1.6 gallon ones. There are some good ones out there.
As opposed to earlier 1.6 gallon/flush toilets so lousy as to possibly
support an argument that these 1.6 gallon toilets were made in an attempt
to sabotage government regulations on toilets.
Meanwhile, I am aware of lightbulb applications where CFLs are not
suitable. Thankfully, the upcoming incandescent ban has a set of
loopholes wide enough to reroute the Mississippi River through. Sadly,
this even permits selling incandescents that can be used where "standard"
ones are, but have even lower energy efficiecy than "standard" ones have.
(Such as "traffic signal" and "rough service" / vibration service".)
http://members.misty.com/don/incban.html
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- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
chuckcar
news:z8KdndDLtr_Qd47R...@giganews.com:
> Steve W. wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
> If you do that, don't forget to hit the tops with a spray can of red
> paint before you fill them the first time, lest some busybody at the
> gas station get on you for using the wrong can.
>
Yeah, the same kid that asked what I needed oil for when I was looking
for it. He didn't know lawnmowers use 10w30.
> (When did red become 'required', anyway? Back in stone age, we had
> several pretty navy blue Belknap 5-gallon cans, with a seperate tiny
> lid for venting. No keeper chains, though, so you always had to be
> careful where you set it down.)
>
It's so they can sell more gas due to the can heating up and forcing the
gas out the spout when someone forgets to a) take the pour tube out and or
b) leaves the vent hole closed.
I have a yellow one that I've had for years and use for waste fluids.
--
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Tegger
news:anoa1692c5q2pee9q...@4ax.com:
> Red <Red...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>AFAIK, they're required by the EPA everywhere in the USA. Along with
>>a fine of $150 per each non-compliant can sold by any retailer.
>>That's why you can't find the non-compliant ones anymore. FWIW, EPA
>>does not regulate the nozzle design, just the specs it must meet.
>>Therefore, the crappy ones we're seeing could be made much better if
>>the manufacturers get enough complaints.
>>Google EPA and portable fuel containers.
>
> Seems like a great business opportunity - sell just the old style
> nozzle.
That's what we have up here in Canada. I'm seeing California-approved 1.5
gallon gas cans with what /must/ be CARB-approved nozzles. I say "must"
because of how extraordinarily difficult it is to manipulate them so that
they will actually dispense gasoline.
And right next to them on the shelf are the old-style corrugated yellow
nozzles for about $4 each. They're a perfect fit in place of the difficult
nozzles. Alongside are sold the little caps you use to seal off the cap
when the nozzle is inverted for storage.
Actually, the yellow nozzles aren't precisely the old-style, as they now
incorporate a small vent tube immediately above the delivery tube. The vent
tube would be necessary on account of the fact that the can itself has no
vent hole at its rear.
The brand-name on all of the above is "Scepter".
--
Tegger
Smitty Two
Tegger <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>
> And right next to them on the shelf are the old-style corrugated yellow
> nozzles for about $4 each.
>
From the sound of things here, I'd say you could be buying those things
by the hundreds and selling them on ebay for a tidy profit. Not for use
with gasoline, of course.
Steve Barker
> Where can I get an old style non CARB compliant 5-gal gasoline can?
>
> All the gasoline cans I can find in the stores are something called "CARB
> compliant". They are miserable abominations.
>
> I've never spilled so much gasoline in my life!
>
> One model has an on/off lever, but you have to use two hands at all times,
> one to hold the can, the other to keep pressed down on the lever, and the
> third hand to hold the funnel. The moment you let up on the lever, the
> handle locks shut, necessitating a manual reset.
>
> The other type has only a push-to-open tab which you supposedly press
> against the lip of the tool you're filling. Forget using funnels with this
> method. And, since the spout fills the opening of the tool you're filling,
> you can't see when it's full until you spill it all over the outside of the
> tool.
>
> What is the reason for these CARB abominations anyway?
>
> Any idea where to get the old style 5-gallon gas cans?
consignment and farm auctions
--
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Tegger
Somebody's already doing that!
<http://cgi.ebay.ca/Scepter-JERRY-GAS-CAN-SPOUT-3629-08562-yellow-parts-NEW_W0QQitemZ350362348284QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20100604?IMSfp=TL100604149001r11165>
The product and package shown is the very same one I see for
$4 (full-retail) pretty much everywhere up here.
Go to it, guys!
--
Tegger
Brent
> Any idea where to get the old style 5-gallon gas cans?
Looks like nobody can sell 5-gallon non CARB gasoline jerry jugs anymore:
http://www.boatus.com/foundation/Findings/FoundationFindings43/FF43Web.pdf
But, get this, if the can is SIX gallons, it's exempt from the onerous
regulations!
So the question isn't where can we get non-CARB gasoline cans ... but where
can we get decent six-gallon gasoline cans!