Jim Clark et al
Phil Rhodes
poles/fastest laps/wins in the same GP, and I heard someone say Alonso has
1, but I didn't hear about the Michael or the Great Senna or anyone else in
that extremely rare company, but did anyone else hear and remember?
Shevek
From wikipedia:
Hat Trick (Pole, Win & Fastest Lap in same Grand Prix)
* 1. Michael Schumacher 21
* 2. Jim Clark 11
* 3. Juan Manuel Fangio 9
* 4. Alain Prost 8
* 5. Alberto Ascari 7
* 5. Ayrton Senna 7
* 7. Mika Häkkinen 5
* 7. Damon Hill 5
* 7. Nigel Mansell 5
* 10. Jacky Ickx 4
* 10. Stirling Moss 4
* 10. Jackie Stewart 4
Other drivers has less than three hat tricks. Alonso is the second
youngest to have a hat trick (after David Coulthard, that surprisingly,
was young once).
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Shevek
Shevek
> Phil Rhodes escribió:
>> I was listening to David, Steve and Bob talk about Jim Clark having 11
>> poles/fastest laps/wins in the same GP, and I heard someone say Alonso
>> has 1, but I didn't hear about the Michael or the Great Senna or
>> anyone else in that extremely rare company, but did anyone else hear
>> and remember?
>
> From wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_records#Hat_Trick_.28Pole.2C_Win_.26_Fastest_Lap_in_same_Grand_Prix.29
>
>
> Hat Trick (Pole, Win & Fastest Lap in same Grand Prix)
>
> * 1. Michael Schumacher 21
> * 2. Jim Clark 11
> * 3. Juan Manuel Fangio 9
> * 4. Alain Prost 8
> * 5. Alberto Ascari 7
> * 5. Ayrton Senna 7
> * 7. Mika Häkkinen 5
> * 7. Damon Hill 5
> * 7. Nigel Mansell 5
> * 10. Jacky Ickx 4
> * 10. Stirling Moss 4
> * 10. Jackie Stewart 4
>
A complete list (gives one more for MS, did he make a hat trick yesterday?):
http://www.f1-stats.de/en/drivers/stats/triples.php
1 Schumacher, Michael GER 22
2 Clark, Jim GBR 11
3 Fangio, Juan Manuel ARG 9
4 Prost, Alain FRA 8
5 Senna, Ayrton BRA 7
= Ascari, Alberto ITA 7
7 Hill, Damon GBR 5
= Hakkinen, Mika FIN 5
= Mansell, Nigel GBR 5
10 Moss, Stirling GBR 4
= Stewart, Jackie GBR 4
= Ickx, Jacky BEL 4
13 Lauda, Niki AUT 3
= Surtees, John GBR 3
= Piquet, Nelson BRA 3
= Brabham, Jack AUS 3
17 Barrichello, Rubens BRA 2
= Laffite, Jacques FRA 2
= Villeneuve, Jacques CAN 2
= Hunt, James GBR 2
= Berger, Gerhard AUT 2
= Andretti, Mario USA 2
= Hill, Graham GBR 2
= Jones, Alan AUS 2
25 Hill, Phil USA 1
= Siffert, Jo SUI 1
= Hawthorn, Mike GBR 1
= Rindt, Jochen AUT 1
= Brooks, Tony GBR 1
= Alonso, Fernando ESP 1
= Farina, Nino ITA 1
= Regazzoni, Clay SUI 1
= Peterson, Ronnie SWE 1
= Vukovich, Bill USA 1
= Reutemann, Carlos ARG 1
= Coulthard, David GBR 1
= Montoya, Juan Pablo COL 1
= Villeneuve, Gilles CAN 1
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Shevek
freddy
"Shevek" <shev...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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so its pretty much the longest serving driver in F1 holds all the records,
nothing to get excited about IMO
Shevek
> so its pretty much the longest serving driver in F1 holds all the records,
> nothing to get excited about IMO
>
MS has *not* the record of number of races (that belong to Riccardo
Patrese with 257) and only 14 more than Barrichello (239 to 225). So,
why aren't the records evenly distributed between the three?
--
Shevek
Charles Perry
If you listen to the pointy heads in this group (those with the tin-foil
hats), it is because he cheats. They refuse to admit that he is one of the
greatest F1 drivers in history.
Charles Perry P.E.
Doc Knutsen
"Charles Perry" <pipesan...@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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Why do you think that is so?
Doc
>
> Charles Perry P.E.
>
>
Phil Rhodes
of course!!!
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Phil Rhodes
:)
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Phil Rhodes
Grand Chelem (Pole, Win, Fastest Lap & leader all race in same Grand Prix)
a.. 1. Jim Clark 8
b.. 2. Alberto Ascari 5
c.. 2. Michael Schumacher 5
d.. 4. Nigel Mansell 4
e.. 4. Ayrton Senna 4
f.. 4. Jackie Stewart 4
g.. 7. Nelson Piquet 3
h.. 8. Jack Brabham 2
i.. 8. Juan Manuel Fangio 2
j.. 8. Mika Häkkinen 2
A much more exclusive list, and one that the Michael will (probably) never
lead.
:)
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freddy
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somewhere in the top 10 with Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, far from
'THE' greatest, the help he has received to break his meaningless records is
unprecedented in F1.
Hal S.
"Phil Rhodes" <p.rh...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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I was a big fan of Bill Vukovich. But it's a bit of a stretch to include him
among F1 winners. When he won the Indy 500 (53 and 54), the 500 was
technically a part of the F1 circuit. But that was the only "F1" race
Vukovich and some other winners ran.
R Brickston
<p.rh...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>Thanks for digging that stuff up. I see an even more telling list:
>Grand Chelem (Pole, Win, Fastest Lap & leader all race in same Grand Prix)
> a.. 1. Jim Clark 8
> b.. 2. Alberto Ascari 5
> c.. 2. Michael Schumacher 5
> d.. 4. Nigel Mansell 4
> e.. 4. Ayrton Senna 4
> f.. 4. Jackie Stewart 4
> g.. 7. Nelson Piquet 3
> h.. 8. Jack Brabham 2
> i.. 8. Juan Manuel Fangio 2
> j.. 8. Mika Häkkinen 2
>A much more exclusive list, and one that the Michael will (probably) never
>lead.
>:)
<snip>
So MS has only had 5 "boring" races. Not bad and as you can see, the
Boring List is populated by a majority of Brits.
Da Frank
<pipesan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> MS has *not* the record of number of races (that belong to Riccardo
>> Patrese with 257) and only 14 more than Barrichello (239 to 225). So, why
>> aren't the records evenly distributed between the three?
>>
>> --
>> Shevek
>
>If you listen to the pointy heads in this group (those with the tin-foil
>hats), it is because he cheats. They refuse to admit that he is one of the
>greatest F1 drivers in history.
>
This hatrick crap is not a good indicator for that. If anything, it
indicates a damn good car, that was driven well enough. Remember, even
Rubens and Irv were a 'champion class driver' with the Ferraris.
7 WDCs is a valid indicator, hatricks are just a nice little stat..
What would be interesting is to see a number of passes list. Not sure
if glibs would have that data ? Geoff ?
--
Regards, Frank
Paul-B
Three Brits out of ten drivers equates to "a majority of Brits" does it?
Care to tell us where you learned your arithmetic (so that we can avoid
the place)?
--
Paul-B
Da Frank
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
Um.. think pit stops. Anyone in the top 6 can lead a race for a bit,
as long as the others pit a lap or two earlier.
--
Regards, Frank
R Brickston
Oh, all right, three Brits plus one down under Brit clone = 4.
However, even at three, the Brits are the majority nationality.
forty
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> So MS has only had 5 "boring" races. Not bad and as you can see, the
>>> Boring List is populated by a majority of Brits.
>> Three Brits out of ten drivers equates to "a majority of Brits" does it?
>>
>> Care to tell us where you learned your arithmetic (so that we can avoid
>> the place)?
>
> Oh, all right, three Brits plus one down under Brit clone = 4.
> However, even at three, the Brits are the majority nationality.
I don't usually enjoy dabbling in pedantry, but just for shits and
giggles: there is a difference between a majority and a plurality.
Methinks you are thinking of the latter but referring to it as the former.
--
Forty
“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” - Ernest Hemingway
R Brickston
wrote:
>R Brickston wrote:
>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> So MS has only had 5 "boring" races. Not bad and as you can see, the
>>>> Boring List is populated by a majority of Brits.
>>> Three Brits out of ten drivers equates to "a majority of Brits" does it?
>>>
>>> Care to tell us where you learned your arithmetic (so that we can avoid
>>> the place)?
>>
>> Oh, all right, three Brits plus one down under Brit clone = 4.
>> However, even at three, the Brits are the majority nationality.
>
>I don't usually enjoy dabbling in pedantry, but just for shits and
>giggles: there is a difference between a majority and a plurality.
>Methinks you are thinking of the latter but referring to it as the former.
While correct, what you're dabbling in is boring. Are you British?
Ron Burgundy
Please, do learn how to post.
--
I'm Ron Burgundy
You stay classy, San Diego.
Bigbird
I would surmise that the idea of any form of education has always bored
you.
>Are you British?
Though your presidential elections have confused many of you as to the
meaning of "majority" and "popular" there are still plenty among you
who have resisted being dumbed down as the easy option.
Hmm, I wonder if there is any correlation between being one of them
them and passport ownership.
--
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http://batracer.com/-1FrontPage.htm?452
R Brickston
<BigBird.us...@gmail.com> wrote:
>R Brickston wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:58:18 -0400, forty <cfor...@SPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > R Brickston wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> <snip>
>> > > > >
>> >>>> So MS has only had 5 "boring" races. Not bad and as you can see,
>> the >>>> Boring List is populated by a majority of Brits.
>> >>> Three Brits out of ten drivers equates to "a majority of Brits"
>> does it?
>> > > >
>> >>> Care to tell us where you learned your arithmetic (so that we can
>> avoid >>> the place)?
>> >>
>> >> Oh, all right, three Brits plus one down under Brit clone = 4.
>> >> However, even at three, the Brits are the majority nationality.
>> >
>> > I don't usually enjoy dabbling in pedantry, but just for shits and
>> > giggles: there is a difference between a majority and a plurality.
>> > Methinks you are thinking of the latter but referring to it as the
>> > former.
>>
>> While correct, what you're dabbling in is boring.
>
>I would surmise that the idea of any form of education has always bored
>you.
We all can't go to a Ludgrove, now can we? Unlike you, of course.
>
>>Are you British?
>
>Though your presidential elections have confused many of you as to the
>meaning of "majority" and "popular" there are still plenty among you
>who have resisted being dumbed down as the easy option.
This forum is populated by Brits. A majority? That in mind, the
obvious strategery is to dumb down.
>
>Hmm, I wonder if there is any correlation between being one of them
>them and passport ownership.
In most countries, if not all, a passport is property of the
government and not the citizen.
forty
>> I don't usually enjoy dabbling in pedantry, but just for shits and
>> giggles: there is a difference between a majority and a plurality.
>> Methinks you are thinking of the latter but referring to it as the former.
>
> While correct, what you're dabbling in is boring. Are you British?
>
If you want to throw words about, it is beneficial to yourself and
others to use such words correctly. It is much more dignified to speak
the language as opposed to chewing it up and spitting it out.
Cheers from Upstate NY.
Brian Lawrence
> What would be interesting is to see a number of passes list. Not sure
> if glibs would have that data ? Geoff ?
Geoff has my overtaking data which only goes back to 1997. We would like
to extend that back to 1950, but it's a fairly laborious process and
life is too short. :-)
--
Brian
Brian Lawrence
> Thanks for digging that stuff up. I see an even more telling list:
> Grand Chelem (Pole, Win, Fastest Lap & leader all race in same Grand Prix)
> a.. 1. Jim Clark 8
> b.. 2. Alberto Ascari 5
> c.. 2. Michael Schumacher 5
> d.. 4. Nigel Mansell 4
> e.. 4. Ayrton Senna 4
> f.. 4. Jackie Stewart 4
> g.. 7. Nelson Piquet 3
> h.. 8. Jack Brabham 2
> i.. 8. Juan Manuel Fangio 2
> j.. 8. Mika Häkkinen 2
> A much more exclusive list, and one that the Michael will (probably) never lead.
Since F&T pit stops become the norm, the race winner rarely leads every lap,
he usually loses the lead two or three times when he pits.
--
Brian
Brian Lawrence
> Since F&T pit stops become the norm, the race winner rarely leads every lap,
> he usually loses the lead two or three times when he pits.
Last 10 years
1997 1 MS
1998 3 Häkkinen (2), Coulthard 1
1999 3 Coulthard 1, Häkkinen 1, MS 1
2000 0
2001 2 Ralf 1, MS 1
2002 3 Barrichello 1, Coulthard 1, MS 1
2003 1 Ralf
2004 3 MS 3
2005 6 Räikkönen 3, Alonso 2, Montoya 1
2006 0
--
Brian
Fabio
> If you listen to the pointy heads in this group (those with the tin-foil
> hats), it is because he cheats. They refuse to admit that he is one of the
> greatest F1 drivers in history.
>
>
accomplished it all single handed, he could have just as easily done it driving
for Minardi.
Moose
> R Brickston wrote:
>
> >> I don't usually enjoy dabbling in pedantry, but just for shits and
> >> giggles: there is a difference between a majority and a plurality.
> >> Methinks you are thinking of the latter but referring to it as the former.
> >
> > While correct, what you're dabbling in is boring. Are you British?
> >
>
> If you want to throw words about, it is beneficial to yourself and
> others to use such words correctly. It is much more dignified to speak
> the language as opposed to chewing it up and spitting it out.
>
> Cheers from Upstate NY.
>
>
keep hearing about, huh?
Paul Harman
> A much more exclusive list, and one that the Michael will (probably) never
> lead.
Indeed, surely they'd need to ban pit stops for him to lead that. Which
makes me wonder how he managed to chalk up 5 on that list in the first
place.
Paul
Phil Rhodes
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Phil Rhodes
I intersperse obscenity with tedious banality.
Addresses I have plenty of, both genuine and ghosted too,
On all the countless newsgroups that my drivel is cross-posted to.
Your bandwidth I will fritter with my whining and my snivelling,
And you're the one who pays the bill, downloading all my drivelling.
My enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming you
For cracking my head open after I've been rudely flaming you.
I hate to lose an argument (by now I should be used to it).
I wouldn't know a valid point if I was introduced to it.
My learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia,
Designed to fan my ego, which is larger than Bolivia.
The comments that I vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery,
Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery.
I say I'm frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity,
The gibberings of one who's at the limits of his sanity.
If only I could get a life, as many people tell me to;
If only Mom could find a circus freak-show she could sell me to;
If I go off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery;
If I lose all my fingers in a mishap with machinery;
If I survive to twenty, which is somewhat problematical;
If what I post was more mature, or slightly more grammatical;
If I could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate;
Would I still be the loathsome and objectionable punk you hate?
But while I have this tiresome urge to prance around and show my face,
It simply isn't safe for normal people here in cyberspace.
To stick me in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity
Would be a fitting punishment for my egocentricity.
I always have the last word; so, with uttermost finality,
That's all from me, the model of a Newsgroup personality.
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Doc Knutsen
"Ron Burgundy" <popem...@yahoo.com> skrev i melding
(snip)
>>>> If you listen to the pointy heads in this group (those with the
>>>> tin-foil hats), it is because he cheats. They refuse to admit that
>>>> he is one of the greatest F1 drivers in history.
>>>
>>> Why do you think that is so?
>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>> Charles Perry P.E.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Please, do learn how to post.
Kindly teach me, then.
Doc
Da Frank
I'd say "whooosh", but you'll just go on whining and whining.. :)
So let's just say, i think you've missed to whom Ron replied to.
--
Regards, Frank
Paul Harman
> He's good!
Well, no. It means that his car must have had such a huge margin that he
had a whole pitstop's worth of lead in his pocket before stopping, every
time.
Paul
Ian Dalziel
wrote:
>I'd say "whooosh", but you'll just go on whining and whining.. :)
>So let's just say, i think you've missed to whom Ron replied to.
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.
Especially when you've already put it in the middle.
--
Ian
Ian Dalziel
Unsecured ballast! Cheating bastard!
--
Ian
HooDooWitch
And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.
From
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~bioslabs/tools/report/wrules.html
--
HooDooWitch
Paul Harman
> Unsecured ballast! Cheating bastard!
Well yes, but if he can build up that much of a gap with a pocketful of
heavy metal, think how fast he could go without it. It's success
ballast, don't you know.
Paul
Da Frank
<ianda...@lineone.net> wrote:
<mode Rene from a'lo a'lo> Yoou stuuupid man. I was talking in a
Nordic dialect so the Doc could understand me better.
Are you saying your Norwegian is better than mine ? YFI.. ;-)
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David Melville
fa...@ooptushome.com.au says...
(Which, incidentally, (and reportedly) was the only thing that the
English tunneler could think to say to his French counterpart when the
Chunnel works teams finally met underneath the English Channel.)
--
Dave
Paul-B
> Ah! Bon-Jewer Muh-Syooer! Allo Allo!
>
> (Which, incidentally, (and reportedly) was the only thing that the
> English tunneler could think to say to his French counterpart when
> the Chunnel works teams finally met underneath the English Channel.)
Remarkably fluent French, for an Anglais...
--
Paul-B
russell
> 1 Schumacher, Michael GER 22
> 2 Clark, Jim GBR 11
> 3 Fangio, Juan Manuel ARG 9
> 4 Prost, Alain FRA 8
> 5 Senna, Ayrton BRA 7
> = Ascari, Alberto ITA 7
> 7 Hill, Damon GBR 5
> = Hakkinen, Mika FIN 5
> = Mansell, Nigel GBR 5
> 10 Moss, Stirling GBR 4
> = Stewart, Jackie GBR 4
> = Ickx, Jacky BEL 4
> 13 Lauda, Niki AUT 3
> = Surtees, John GBR 3
> = Piquet, Nelson BRA 3
> = Brabham, Jack AUS 3
> 17 Barrichello, Rubens BRA 2
> = Laffite, Jacques FRA 2
> = Villeneuve, Jacques CAN 2
> = Hunt, James GBR 2
> = Berger, Gerhard AUT 2
> = Andretti, Mario USA 2
> = Hill, Graham GBR 2
> = Jones, Alan AUS 2
> 25 Hill, Phil USA 1
> = Siffert, Jo SUI 1
> = Hawthorn, Mike GBR 1
> = Rindt, Jochen AUT 1
> = Brooks, Tony GBR 1
> = Alonso, Fernando ESP 1
> = Farina, Nino ITA 1
> = Regazzoni, Clay SUI 1
> = Peterson, Ronnie SWE 1
> = Vukovich, Bill USA 1
> = Reutemann, Carlos ARG 1
> = Coulthard, David GBR 1
> = Montoya, Juan Pablo COL 1
> = Villeneuve, Gilles CAN 1
>
>
> --
> Shevek
Now that's interesting. I see Ronnie Peterson on the list with one.
If my memory serves me right, he could have featured more than once if he
hadn't been running "shotgun" to Andretti. Noooo that can't be right,
only mikey has monkey's!!!
Reutemanns 1 is probably dodgy too, probably belonged to Jones...