He suggested that there was no solution but for me to stop trying to
engage 1st gear so abruptly, but, to either wait a half second (after
depressing the clutch), or, to just hold the clutch depressed waiting
for the red light to change, and then 1st gear can be engaged without
any clunking sound. I didn't like that answer, because i was always
taught not to "ride the clutch", and that the clutch should only be
engaged at the moment a gear change engagement was imminent, and that
a good driving habit was to promptly depress the clutch, engage the
gear evenly but without any pause, and then to smoothly but promptly
release the clutch.
Yesterday a Ford parts person told me that my mustang had a hydraulic
clutch, and that, probably what was happening was that the reservoir
for the hydraulic clutch was probably low, and that it was taking a
half second longer for the clutch to be fully disengaged even after I
fully depress the clutch pedal. He said that by waiting a half
second, it was allowing the sponginess (due to air bubbles) in the
hydraulics to finally separate the clutch plate and then the gears
could be engage without any jarring. He told me to look for the
reservoir under the hood on the driver's side lateral to the brake
reservoir. I can't find it, even after a thorough search with a
flashlight and I looked everywhere under the hood.
So, is the clutch on a 2002 3.8L 5-speed mustang driven by
hydraulics? Or a cable?
Does anyone know where the reservoir, if it is hydraulic, is located?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I have had a number of different cars whose various clutch actuators
worked well or not-so-well. When they worked not-so-well, and the
transmission behaved the way you describe, I found one action that
/usually/ worked, but it took the half-second you seem to be missing,
to be effective: put in the clutch pedal, pull the shift lever toward
the 2nd gear position, but stop when you encounter a little
resistance, then shift to the gear you want to use. Apparently the
resistance you feel is enough to actuate the synchros, to better match
input and output speeds. It worked on my early MG non-synchro first
gears as well as the 1500-mile-old five-speed in the new-new-new GT/CS
convertible.
--
Frank ess
If we look in the owners manual - turn to the index and find clutch.... it
will direct you to page 228.... This will tell you your clutch is cable
operated.... and even describe the adjustment procedure <GASP>. FWIW, we
call the owners manual "the worlds most expensive unread book".
Since we didn't do that, my own personal inclination would be to bend down
and look... either under the car at the clutch housing or under the dash to
see if there was a hydraulic push rod or a cable and quadrant attached to
the clutch pedal.
Now that I have said "cable" you most certainly will double check me on
this... your knees will actually get dirty as you try to prove (or disprove)
the veracity of my claim....
Some things in your life.... avoid that Ford parts person.... he (she) makes
bold statements with little or no real knowledge...
You know what you need to do to avoid the noise... Do it.... The car is 7
fucking years old - if it was a goldfish, it would probably be dead
already... have you checked the trans fluid level lately? Has the trans been
serviced in accordance with manufacturers recommendations?
Your car is a machine... machines develop personalities... to alleviate a
condition such as yours, the car is going to win.... If this is the only
symptom you have, you can either make allowances or spend a bunch of
money.... Unfortunately, with this sort of symptom, you might spend a bunch
of money..... and wind up making allowances, anyway.
"surface9" <da...@neto.com> wrote in message
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So, what I am wondering is whether or not this intermittent jarring
sound (which I can repeat any time I want, and can avoid with the
pausing or pre-engagement nudging maneuver), is doing any damage to
the clutch or gear box - if not, then I'll just live with it. It
makes me think that somehow the parts of the synchromesh that make the
initial contact when going into 1st or 2nd may be worn and not doing
the job up to spec - in that case, i would want to consider having
those parts replaced. I just don't know. Other than that, this car
is a really fun car to drive, it is peppy, and the mileage is low
(68K) so I think I should have many years of good service from it. I
really would like to have a better understanding of this jarring
sound, just so I can know what whether or not I need to do something
about it.
> When I bought it in April, the previous owner did not have an owner's
> manual, and I couldn't find one anywhere - if you know where I can get
> one, please advise.
You can download one from Ford's website. Then you can perform the
adjustment procedure.
As for your concern... it may be something as simple - even small amounts of
contaminants can offer a "dragging" effect to the pressure plate keeping
things spinning a tad more than desired... Could be a concern with the pilot
bearing that is keeping the input shaft turning a bit longer than normal...
The more I read, the less convinced I am about understanding the nature of
your "jarring" sound... is there another description you can give it that I
might understand more easily? A "ratcheting" noise perhaps... especcially if
you are having problems with a "rushed" 1-2 shift?
Have you tried selecting reverse first to stop the transmission turning? I
cannot recall which transmissions are equipped, but I recall reverse gear
"brakes" in some transmissions...
HTH.
"surface9" <da...@neto.com> wrote in message
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I found the owner's manual at the ford website, and read about how to
adjust the clutch (motor off, 1st gear, pull up on the clutch, then
press all the way down and listen for a clicking sound). I did this
but it didn't seem to have any effect on my "jarring" sound when going
into 1st gear. I make sure always that I fully depress the clutch (a
neighbor kept insisting that I probably wasn't pushing the clutch all
the way in). And I can say that when I first start the car, I have to
back out of the garage (in reverse), and I don't hear any sound at all
when I then go into 1st gear after that - I noticed that the way it
then goes in so smoothly I wished it would ALWAYS engage like that.
But, when I get ready to go into 2nd, if I follow my normal cadence
(like I have done for years in my Ranger) by a) letting off the
accelerator, b) fully and quickly depressing the clutch, and, c)
straightaway moving the gearshift lever down into 2nd, then I hear a
jarring sound, which also seems to reverberate all throughout the
underside of the vehicle (one observer thought it might be the rear
end, but I had that fully inspected when I first got this car back in
April).
As to the jarring sound, I guess it is a little like the sound you
would hear if you suddenly stopped a spinning object like a gyroscope
by thrusting a screw driver into the spokes. THUD! After I come to a
full stop, such as at a red light, and I am sitting there in neutral
(I notice it tacks at around 900), then, when the light changes, I
follow my lifelong cadence of a) depressing the clutch, b) moving the
gearshift lever forward into 1st gear, and c) releasing the clutch as
I depress the gas pedal. I have been driving standards ALL MY LIFE,
and my cadence was taught to me by experts a long time ago. I never
hear anything when I am in my Ranger. But, when I do this in my
Mustang (as above), then, just as I am moving the gearshift lever down
into 1st gear, I hear this THUD before it goes clean into gear. It
does sound like the whole undercarriage is jolted somewhat. If,
however, while I am still waiting for the red light to change, I nudge
the gearshift lever towards 1st gear (or 2nd) with the clutch still
up, and only moving the gearshift lever slightly towards 1st, I hear a
small thud, and it does truly sound like if you were apply a brake to
a free spinning suspended wheel, but, since I am not hard pressing it,
but only nudging it, then, the jarring sound is diminished, and only
lasts for about 1/2 second or less. After that, I can continue
waiting for the light to change, and, then go right into 1st gear with
NO sound or jarring at all. But, even then, when I go into 2nd, I
hear (and feel) that THUD.
The mechanics I have had look at it so far have not been very much
interested - mostly because (I think) they do NOT KNOW what is going
on (as revealed by some of their suggestions, like maybe being a loose
u-joint), and, also, they can't make it happen if they pause slightly
after depressing the clutch before engaging either 1st or 2nd gear. I
get frustrated trying to get to the bottom of this - I am figuring it
probably is the main rotor still spinning for a half second or so and
maybe my normal shifting cadence (which has always worked fine and
still does with the ranger) is just too speedy for this mustang -
maybe this is just the way it was designed. But, then, I don't really
believe that either - I rather think that something within the
transmission is worn and not doing its job somehow or other. I
wouldn't describe my cadence as "slamming" it into gear, but, just NOT
PAUSING, but promptly and immediately moving the gearshift lever into
1st after fully depressing the clutch to the floor. I am sure that
the clutch pedal is bottomed out, but, then, I am not in the habit of
lingering after that, but, going right ahead and moving into 1st
gear. That seems so natural and it shouldn't be a problem or cause
any jarring or thudding sounds.
I sure wish I could resolve this nagging problem.
> I found the owner's manual at the ford website, and read about how to
Try double-clutching when you drive it... if that causes the noise to
diminish, then the problem may be worn out synchros in the transmission.
>
> Try double-clutching when you drive it... if that causes the noise to
> diminish, then the problem may be worn out synchros in the transmission.
I am embarrased to admit it, but, I don't know exactly what "double-
clutching" is.
Do you mean just depressing the clutch twice? (depressing, releasing,
and then depressing again)?
I must have heard that term before, but, I don't really know what it
means.
I think you said that you checked your fluid level and it was fine, but
you might try changing it, maybe with some synthetic.
> On Jul 26, 6:53 pm, david <n...@nospam.com> wrote:
Kids.... <:-/
I need to find somebody locally here (Dallas area) that really knows
how these transmissions work and can figure out what is going on and
give me a straight answer. Maybe I don't need to do anything but
modify my shifting method when driving this mustang - but maybe there
is a part inside that would solve this problem if it were changed
out. I really want to know and I need to be able to see a picture of
the insides and how it goes together.
Quantum Performance
www://quantum-perf.com
They are around there, and are a Shelby-approved mod shop. I'll bet
they would be able to tell you something, or know someone around
there, who can.
--
Frank ess
You keep mentioning YOUR normal cadence... In all honesty, both you and the
car have a personality... the car will win...
The more you write, the less convinced I am that you have a problem.
"surface9" <da...@neto.com> wrote in message
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Now that I have been driving a mustang since April, I have started
noticing mustangs on the highway - I stumbled into this sale but I am
sure glad I did. I had been looking for an economical car with a
standard transmission and it turns out that most economy cars all have
automatics, and that is the only reason I went to look at this one in
the first place - glad I did. Mustangs are very well designed and put
together - I expect to get many many miles of use of this.
I'm glad you found a trustworthy agent to help you with your problem.
Enjoy that Mustang.
--
Frank ess