Loonier than ever

[George M. Middius]

What's all this crapola about kneeling for the anthem being the same
as shitting on veterans? Who came up with this wacko drivel?

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

Veterans have served their country and risked their lives to protect your right to shit on their faces, so you better get to it so that their sacrifices are not in vain.

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" <korb...@ten.tsacmoc> wrote in message
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>
>
> What's all this crapola about kneeling for the anthem being the same
> as shitting on veterans? Who came up with this wacko drivel?

The same coin flip side that says kneeling for the anthem is a demonstration
against police brutality.

As a symbolic gesture it's whatever you perceive it to be.

I perceive it as really stupid in the grand scheme of NFL marketing which is
failing.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

Witless tries "thinking".

> > What's all this crapola about kneeling for the anthem being the same
> > as shitting on veterans? Who came up with this wacko drivel?
>
> The same coin flip side that says kneeling for the anthem is a demonstration
> against police brutality.

I haven't heard that one either. What I heard is it's a general
protest against persistent, systemic racism. You should read
"Watermelon Man".

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" <korb...@ten.tsacmoc> wrote in message

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I read a rant against systemic racism that list many inequalities in the mix of
systemic issues but the one that I found most perplexing was "cultural
inequality".

Now I'll grant that a not so insignificant segment of black America has embraced
a black culture that rejects white values and casts disdain on any black
americans who embraces things like education, a job, a two parent household etc.
It is a cultural evolution that does lead to some of the many other inequalities
listed as well...particularly economic.
What I found odd is the tone of blame placed on others for their own cultural
choice.
AFAICT, America has tried mightily to give blacks an equal opportunity to
embrace American culture and enjoy it's many benefits. I'm hard pressed to
accept their choice to reject it is an American systemic issue.

As Tucker pointed out to his black Washington DC attorney guest who claimed
Carlson can never understand the issues black people face that drive their need
to protest by taking a knee during the anthem. He commented that anyone wearing
1000$ a pair cuff links hardly has a claim to suffering economic inequality that
no white person can understand.

ScottW

[MiNe109]

There's also the issue of the anthem's third verse, celebrating the
deaths of "hireling and slave."

[MiNe109]

On 9/26/17 10:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
> black culture that rejects white values

What are "white" values?

[George M. Middius]

MiNe109 wrote:

> > black culture that rejects white values
>
> What are "white" values?

Actually, white values have several components.

1. White is more valuable than black.

2. They make Scottie feel comfy, but black culture makes him feel
uncomfy.

3. You get to keep everything you have. Black culture requires much of
the wealth to flow from whites to blacks.

4. We are in charge, period. Black culture means uppitiness is
acceptable. That disrupts the natural order.


You get the idea, I'm sure.

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 9/26/17 10:26 PM, ScottW wrote:
>> black culture that rejects white values
>
> What are "white" values?

Good point... I didn't like the identity value statement myself...but values
are an inherent part of a culture and if we live in a country with supposedly a
black and white culture...so we have black and white values. Not that any of
these values are exclusive to the culture that supposedly adheres to them...and
we could debate if "white" is really the identity that most values something
like education. You might argue it's an asian value.

But anyway, it's education, a job, two parents for children.
You might want to add a guilt factor.

Do you feel guilty for a "cultural inequality" between black and white America?

IMO, we're all headed down the same slope...just at different speeds.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"George M. Middius" <korb...@ten.tsacmoc> wrote in message

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>
>
> MiNe109 wrote:
>
>> > black culture that rejects white values
>>
>> What are "white" values?
>
> Actually, white values have several components.
>
> 1. White is more valuable than black.
>
> 2. They make Scottie feel comfy, but black culture makes him feel
> uncomfy.
>

Amusing in it's irony...since according to some it's the intent of the
protesters to make white people "uncomfortable". So if I am uncomfortable, I'd
be more embracing of the protest than someone who remains "comfortable".

It's clear the whole culture discussion remains way too complicated for you
George.
Your ignorance gives you comfort.

ScottW

[MiNe109]

Is the so-called "black" rejection of education, etc, exclusive to blacks?

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Nope. As I said...nothing is exclusive to any culture. But they do seem to be
the most prolific of an inner city sub-culture that openly demeans and ridicules
those that use education as the means to address economic inequality.

ScottW

[MiNe109]

Selection bias. Check out English "kitchen sink" dramas from the 50s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkihKpnx5yM

Monty Python - Coal Miner Son

Or consider rightwing anti-intellectualism.

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Do you really think English TV is a real reflection of American culture?

>
> Or consider rightwing anti-intellectualism.

It's not anti-intellectualism..its
anti-leftwingliberalartsunemployableuselessbsintellectualism

So many people go get an education that provides no useful skill. Their only
employment opportunity is in the academia circles that bear responsibility for
their lack of usefulness.
Could this be an underlying reason why the cost of college education keeps
spiraling? Hmmmm....

ScottW

[MiNe109]

Do you think a tv parody of a stage play illustrating my point that anti
education views aren't exclusive to blacks isn't on point?

>> Or consider rightwing anti-intellectualism.
>
> It's not anti-intellectualism..its
> anti-leftwingliberalartsunemployableuselessbsintellectualism
>
> So many people go get an education that provides no useful skill.
> Their only employment opportunity is in the academia circles that
> bear responsibility for their lack of usefulness. Could this be an
> underlying reason why the cost of college education keeps spiraling?
> Hmmmm....

Potato, potahto.

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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I never said it was exclusive, in fact I said exactly the opposite so your
obfuscation is moot...however educational stats clearly indicate there is a
large discrepancy between the groups in attainment and at least a significant
part of that is "cultural" which is apparently, your fault.

ScottW

[MiNe109]

But you still associate it with blacks.

> however educational stats clearly indicate there is a
> large discrepancy between the groups in attainment and at least a significant
> part of that is "cultural" which is apparently, your fault.

Our fault. The system's been stacked against them for centuries and
recent positive developments haven't yet restored equality.

Unless you think they're incapable...

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

apparently a gender studies degree is now the height of intellectualism

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

It's his safe place

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

.....or uninterested

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Blacks high school graduation rate is only exceeded by American Indian/Alaskan
Native which is hardly comparable due to differences in laws and a largely
separate system.

>
>> however educational stats clearly indicate there is a
>> large discrepancy between the groups in attainment and at least a significant
>> part of that is "cultural" which is apparently, your fault.
>
> Our fault. The system's been stacked against them for centuries and recent
> positive developments haven't yet restored equality.

Recent positive developments are grossly overshadowed by only a few decades
past negative trends.

>
> Unless you think they're incapable...

Obviously not. Those who embrace their opportunity and work hard like any other
American have demonstrated great success. Countless examples exist.
Sadly, many do not and choose to accept the left story of a system stacked
against them.

You actually do them a grave disservice by enforcing such a belief and it is
your position that they are incapable of overcoming history and a stacked
system.
I say the barriers are not as great as you claim and their ability to overcome
is underestimated by you.
As the writer on DACA protesters said, it is your position that holds people on
the 21st century plantation. A position that demands people remain beholding to
a political ideology that seeks to keep them beholding forever is this
generations overseer.

ScottW

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

I think the problem is largely single parenthood. If you remove that variable, the giffeences shrink tremendously.

I predict Boon will do one of two things. Call this nonsense, and therefore signal his support and admiration for single parenthood, like it's a good thing.

Or whine about my typo.

[ScottW]

"Mr. Clyde Slick" <hootervil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I think the problem is largely single parenthood. If you remove that variable,
>the giffeences shrink tremendously.

I agree...so is that systemic or culturally driven? One can argue that the
great society programs and AFDC started this trend but it's growth continues.

>
> I predict Boon will do one of two things. Call this nonsense, and therefore
> signal his support and admiration for single parenthood, like it's a good
> thing.
>
> Or whine about my typo.

Doesn't matter. Everything he does is the intellectual equivalent of a 3rd
grader who was just taught how to make armpit fart sounds.

ScottW

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

I, being more intelligent than him, picked that up way back in kindergarten.

[MiNe109]

Doesn't make sense. Do you mean drop-out rate? Is there something unique
to black people to explain this?

>>> however educational stats clearly indicate there is a
>>> large discrepancy between the groups in attainment and at least a significant
>>> part of that is "cultural" which is apparently, your fault.
>>
>> Our fault. The system's been stacked against them for centuries and recent
>> positive developments haven't yet restored equality.
>
> Recent positive developments are grossly overshadowed by only a few decades
> past negative trends.

Is that a paraphrase? Are you showing agreement that institutional and
societal barriers contribute to the present condition of blacks?

>> Unless you think they're incapable...
>
> Obviously not.

Not so obvious considering how you always return to themes of blacks in
poverty, etc.

> Those who embrace their opportunity and work hard like any other
> American have demonstrated great success. Countless examples exist.
> Sadly, many do not and choose to accept the left story of a system stacked
> against them.

Individual blacks = good

Blacks as a whole = bad

> You actually do them a grave disservice by enforcing such a belief and it is
> your position that they are incapable of overcoming history and a stacked
> system.
> I say the barriers are not as great as you claim and their ability to overcome
> is underestimated by you.

My claims are illustrated by your complaints.

> As the writer on DACA protesters said, it is your position that holds people on
> the 21st century plantation. A position that demands people remain beholding to
> a political ideology that seeks to keep them beholding forever is this
> generations overseer.

Plantation! You actually went there! Where did all that individual
up-by-their-bootstraps gumption go? Or does that only count to excuse
racism, lack of inter-generational wealth, redlining, institutional
biases, etc?

[MiNe109]

On 9/29/17 1:00 PM, ScottW wrote:

> the 21st century plantation.

Wisdom from the right:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354265/plantation-theory-kevin-d-williamson

The use of the word “plantation” to describe the relationship between
black Americans and their political patrons is an unfortunate staple of
contemporary rhetoric...

The plantation rhetoric is distasteful for the same reason that facile
Nazi tropes should be verboten: Some instances of evil are unique, and
using them as a handy cudgel in every disagreement dilutes their
emotional potency. Hitler was Hitler, and nobody else is. The Reverend
Sharpton is slavish, but he is not a slave. When black critics use
plantation rhetoric, it is repugnant; when white critics use plantation
rhetoric, it is repugnant and condescending.

It is also a marker of sloppy thinking...

It is not surprising that blacks have less faith in the productive and
transformative power of the free-market economy than do whites. Black
Americans were for some centuries treated as an economic commodity
themselves and were systematically excluded from full participation in
the economy for generations after that. As horrific as slavery is, it
may in fact be the latter experience that has undercut African
Americans’ faith in capitalism. Slavery is an alien experience, but
being passed over for a job or a contract, or being denied a loan, and
suspecting that one’s race has something to do with the fact, is not
ancient history. And while accounts of discrimination against black
Americans in the marketplace may be exaggerated, they are not without
basis in fact...

Risk aversion is the reason that many Americans — black, white, and
other — are made anxious by proposed changes to the welfare system, even
when they themselves are unlikely ever to need it. They view the welfare
state as (that inevitable phrase) a safety net. And that is what the
plantation theory gets wrong. Democrats are not buying black votes with
welfare benefits. Democrats appeal to blacks, to other minority groups,
and — most significant — to women with rhetoric and policies that
promise the mitigation of risk.

End quote

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Ok...if every failure to graduate is considered a drop-out.

> Is there something unique to black people to explain this?

Not unique, but data proves more prevalent than other groups.

>
>>>> however educational stats clearly indicate there is a
>>>> large discrepancy between the groups in attainment and at least a
>>>> significant
>>>> part of that is "cultural" which is apparently, your fault.
>>>
>>> Our fault. The system's been stacked against them for centuries and recent
>>> positive developments haven't yet restored equality.
>>
>> Recent positive developments are grossly overshadowed by only a few decades
>> past negative trends.
>
> Is that a paraphrase? Are you showing agreement that institutional and
> societal barriers contribute to the present condition of blacks?

Contributed... but no longer represent an overwhelming imediment to success.

>
>>> Unless you think they're incapable...
>>
>> Obviously not.
>
> Not so obvious considering how you always return to themes of blacks in
> poverty, etc.

You prefer to ignore the situation?

>
>> Those who embrace their opportunity and work hard like any other
>> American have demonstrated great success. Countless examples exist.
>> Sadly, many do not and choose to accept the left story of a system stacked
>> against them.
>
> Individual blacks = good
>
> Blacks as a whole = bad

Why do you insist on a simpleton's analysis?

>
>> You actually do them a grave disservice by enforcing such a belief and it is
>> your position that they are incapable of overcoming history and a stacked
>> system.
>> I say the barriers are not as great as you claim and their ability to
>> overcome
>> is underestimated by you.
>
> My claims are illustrated by your complaints.
>
>> As the writer on DACA protesters said, it is your position that holds people
>> on
>> the 21st century plantation. A position that demands people remain beholding
>> to
>> a political ideology that seeks to keep them beholding forever is this
>> generations overseer.
>
> Plantation! You actually went there!

Are you comfortable you petty overseer?

> Where did all that individual up-by-their-bootstraps gumption go?

It's their if you nuture it. Instead you choose to crush it with tales of
insurmountable systemic victimization.

> Or does that only count to excuse racism, lack of inter-generational wealth,
> redlining, institutional biases, etc?

and there you go crushing instead of nurturing again.....The path to equality is
no longer in the streets protesting grievances that are no longer tangible.
The path to equality is through hard work and knowledge.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:oqobv8$1bvk$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 9/29/17 1:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
>> the 21st century plantation.
>
> Wisdom from the right:
>
> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354265/plantation-theory-kevin-d-williamson
>
> The use of the word "plantation" to describe the relationship between black
> Americans and their political patrons is an unfortunate staple of contemporary
> rhetoric...

Tell it to the latino reporter who covered the Pelosi dreamers press conference
protest.
He closed his piece with approval of latinos finally leaving the dem
plantation.

Williamson can have his opinion but IMO it's a reasonable metaphor to decribe
the current situation between some minority constituents and their "patrons"
(which I vehemently disagree that dems are really minority political patrons).

>
> The plantation rhetoric is distasteful for the same reason that facile Nazi
> tropes should be verboten:

Should be...but it isn't.

Tell you what, when I don't hear dems and other liberal progressive communists
etc calling Trump and his supporters nazis....i'll drop the plantation metaphor.
Good luck with that.

ScottW

[George M. Middius]

MiNe109 wrote:

> Not so obvious considering how you always return to themes of blacks in
> poverty, etc.

Drumpf said exactly that during the campaign. For Scottie, Drumpf's
embrace is virtually an endorsement by "god".

[MiNe109]

That's "reductive." It's so Art can follow the argument.

>>> You actually do them a grave disservice by enforcing such a
>>> belief and it is your position that they are incapable of
>>> overcoming history and a stacked system. I say the barriers are
>>> not as great as you claim and their ability to overcome is
>>> underestimated by you.
>>
>> My claims are illustrated by your complaints.
>>
>>> As the writer on DACA protesters said, it is your position that
>>> holds people on the 21st century plantation. A position that
>>> demands people remain beholding to a political ideology that
>>> seeks to keep them beholding forever is this generations
>>> overseer.
>>
>> Plantation! You actually went there!
>
> Are you comfortable you petty overseer?

Playing the "real racist" card! Boring.

>> Where did all that individual up-by-their-bootstraps gumption go?
>
> It's their if you nuture it. Instead you choose to crush it with
> tales of insurmountable systemic victimization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

Yep, gumption can overcome that.

>> Or does that only count to excuse racism, lack of
>> inter-generational wealth, redlining, institutional biases, etc?
>
> and there you go crushing instead of nurturing again.....The path to
> equality is no longer in the streets protesting grievances that are
> no longer tangible. The path to equality is through hard work and
> knowledge.

You left out 'opportunity.'

[MiNe109]

On 9/30/17 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
> "MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:oqobv8$1bvk$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 9/29/17 1:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
>>> the 21st century plantation.
>>
>> Wisdom from the right:
>>
>> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354265/plantation-theory-kevin-d-williamson
>>
>> The use of the word "plantation" to describe the relationship between black
>> Americans and their political patrons is an unfortunate staple of contemporary
>> rhetoric...
>
> Tell it to the latino reporter who covered the Pelosi dreamers press conference
> protest.

Please forward your comments to Kevin D Williamson c/o The National Review.

> He closed his piece with approval of latinos finally leaving the dem
> plantation.
>
> Williamson can have his opinion but IMO it's a reasonable metaphor to decribe
> the current situation between some minority constituents and their "patrons"
> (which I vehemently disagree that dems are really minority political patrons).

That's your opinion, distasteful and incorrect.

>> The plantation rhetoric is distasteful for the same reason that facile Nazi
>> tropes should be verboten:
>
> Should be...but it isn't.
>
> Tell you what, when I don't hear dems and other liberal progressive communists
> etc calling Trump and his supporters nazis....i'll drop the plantation metaphor.
> Good luck with that.

What about...repeat the infinity.

You're right: opponents should carefully parse with what species of
white supremacist Trump should be identified. They're not all Nazis.

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:oqojtq$1pnm$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 9/30/17 10:41 AM, ScottW wrote:
>>>
>>> Individual blacks = good
>>>
>>> Blacks as a whole = bad
>>
>> Why do you insist on a simpleton's analysis?
>
> That's "reductive." It's so Art can follow the argument.

It's stupid and for your benefit alone.

>
>>>> You actually do them a grave disservice by enforcing such a
>>>> belief and it is your position that they are incapable of
>>>> overcoming history and a stacked system. I say the barriers are
>>>> not as great as you claim and their ability to overcome is
>>>> underestimated by you.
>>>
>>> My claims are illustrated by your complaints.
>>>
>>>> As the writer on DACA protesters said, it is your position that
>>>> holds people on the 21st century plantation. A position that
>>>> demands people remain beholding to a political ideology that
>>>> seeks to keep them beholding forever is this generations
>>>> overseer.
>>>
>>> Plantation! You actually went there!
>>
>> Are you comfortable you petty overseer?
>
> Playing the "real racist" card! Boring.
>
>>> Where did all that individual up-by-their-bootstraps gumption go?
>>
>> It's their if you nuture it. Instead you choose to crush it with
>> tales of insurmountable systemic victimization.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
>
> Yep, gumption can overcome that.

Enough could with the courts on their side.
Still, your reference provides no recent specific examples.
But I won't disupute the problem exists. The largest most recent examples of
massive racial turnover in the US have been when latinos move into predominantly
black areas.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/latino-gangsters-tried-to-firebomb-blacks-out-of-eastside-neighborhood-feds-say-7115551

>
>>> Or does that only count to excuse racism, lack of
>>> inter-generational wealth, redlining, institutional biases, etc?
>>
>> and there you go crushing instead of nurturing again.....The path to
>> equality is no longer in the streets protesting grievances that are
>> no longer tangible. The path to equality is through hard work and
>> knowledge.
>
> You left out 'opportunity.'

I clearly argue the opporunity exists....it's up to the individual to take
advantage of it.

ScottW

[ScottW]

"MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>
> You're right: opponents should carefully parse with what species of white
> supremacist Trump should be identified. They're not all Nazis.

and this is how you seek to keep minorities on the plantation....

I think they're smarter than you are.


ScottW

[Mr. Clyde Slick]

It's difficult for a child to fathom opportunity when daddy is doing 15 in the state pen and momma is a crackwhore meth-head. But that's not the fault of white privilege. That's just an irrelevant excuse. Blaming others who have nothing to do with it won't fix the problem.

All the African Americans that I know or whomI am friends with are middle class, live in ice neighborhoods, have careers, are mostly college educated, and most importantly (because this is the facilitator of their success) are come from, and perpetuated, stable two parent families.

[MiNe109]

On 9/30/17 7:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
> "MiNe109" <pianof...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:oqojtq$1pnm$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 9/30/17 10:41 AM, ScottW wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Individual blacks = good
>>>>
>>>> Blacks as a whole = bad
>>>
>>> Why do you insist on a simpleton's analysis?
>>
>> That's "reductive." It's so Art can follow the argument.
>
> It's stupid and for your benefit alone.

"reductive ADJECTIVE

Tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, especially
one viewed as crude."

No, that's what I mean to do. If your argument won't stand up to being
simplified, maybe your argument is at fault.

>>>>> You actually do them a grave disservice by enforcing such a
>>>>> belief and it is your position that they are incapable of
>>>>> overcoming history and a stacked system. I say the barriers
>>>>> are not as great as you claim and their ability to overcome
>>>>> is underestimated by you.
>>>>
>>>> My claims are illustrated by your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>> As the writer on DACA protesters said, it is your position
>>>>> that holds people on the 21st century plantation. A position
>>>>> that demands people remain beholding to a political ideology
>>>>> that seeks to keep them beholding forever is this
>>>>> generations overseer.
>>>>
>>>> Plantation! You actually went there!
>>>
>>> Are you comfortable you petty overseer?
>>
>> Playing the "real racist" card! Boring.
>>
>>>> Where did all that individual up-by-their-bootstraps gumption
>>>> go?
>>>
>>> It's their if you nuture it. Instead you choose to crush it
>>> with tales of insurmountable systemic victimization.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
>>
>> Yep, gumption can overcome that.
>
> Enough could with the courts on their side. Still, your reference

> provides no recent specific example> But I won't disupute the
> problem exists.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2017/0327/Sundown-towns-Midwest-confronts-its-complicated-racial-legacy

In many ways, the legacy of that past lingers.

In September 2015, letters were sent to Utica High School and the school
district office threatening violence because of interracial dating. The
letters had images of the Confederate battle flag. The community and the
schools condemned the letters and launched a campaign called “Utica
United”; the homecoming football game and dance were canceled.

Chris Cooper took the threat personally. The letters were targeting
black people. “And there’s only so many adult black men in town – me and
my friend Robert, as far as I can tell.”

After the letters, Cooper pulled his son out of the Utica schools and
sent him to a more racially diverse school in Newark, a larger town down
the road.

End quote.

> The largest most recent examples of massive racial turnover in the US
> have been when latinos move into predominantly black areas.
>
> http://www.laweekly.com/news/latino-gangsters-tried-to-firebomb-blacks-out-of-eastside-neighborhood-feds-say-7115551

Also, too, gentrification.

>>>> Or does that only count to excuse racism, lack of
>>>> inter-generational wealth, redlining, institutional biases,
>>>> etc?
>>>
>>> and there you go crushing instead of nurturing again.....The path
>>> to equality is no longer in the streets protesting grievances
>>> that are no longer tangible. The path to equality is through hard
>>> work and knowledge.
>>
>> You left out 'opportunity.'
>
> I clearly argue the opporunity exists....it's up to the individual to
> take advantage of it.

You're wrong about the scale at which it exists. It doesn't do a
population any good if it requires the equivalent of The Hunger Games to
escape.

[MiNe109]

On 9/30/17 7:38 PM, Mr. Clyde Slick wrote:
> It's difficult for a child to fathom opportunity when daddy is doing 15 in the state pen

https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/08/us-prison-system/

5 Ways the US Prison System Is More About Perpetuating Oppression and
Not About Stemming Crime

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/11/chokehold-police-black-men-paul-butler-race-america

US justice is built to humiliate and oppress black men. And it starts
with the chokehold

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-unyielding-justice-system-built-for-the-oppression-of-blacks/2017/07/27/72a9aa12-4d23-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html?utm_term=.ecfccbec1343

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/gilmoreprisonslavery.html

Slavery and Prison - Understanding the Connections

https://www.attn.com/stories/2419/racism-in-american-criminal-justice-system

Our Prison System Is Even More Racist Than You Think

[MiNe109]

Minorities? Plantations?

[George M. Middius]

MiNe109 wrote:

> > and this is how you seek to keep minorities on the plantation....
> >
> > I think they're smarter than you are.
>
> Minorities? Plantations?

I think Witless is conflating "smart" with "ability to hear ultrasonic
frequencies".