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MSNBC: Will China influence our election?
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
May 2, 2019, 1:28:17 PM5/2/19
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Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so
deeply involved in our political process now, will China
want in? SUPPOSE someone were to say, "China if you're
listening, can you find Trump's tax returns?"
deeply involved in our political process now, will China
want in? SUPPOSE someone were to say, "China if you're
listening, can you find Trump's tax returns?"
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
May 2, 2019, 2:37:27 PM5/2/19
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NoBody
May 3, 2019, 7:22:52 AM5/3/19
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only as long as it's in their favor.
moviePig
May 3, 2019, 9:44:15 AM5/3/19
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mirroring of Trump's famous plea to Russia must be merely coincidental.
But, why do you assume Trump's tax returns would favor the Left?
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Ed Stasiak
May 3, 2019, 10:28:51 AM5/3/19
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> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
>
> Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so deeply
> involved in our political process now,
https://i.postimg.cc/RCWx9CcT/Russians-Hacked-The-Election.png
> Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so deeply
> involved in our political process now,
FPP
May 3, 2019, 7:43:21 PM5/3/19
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Guess which side? Oh, please! GUESS!
"The head of the DNC pledged the committee wouldn't use hacked emails or
stolen data for political gain ahead of the 2020 presidential election
and pressed his RNC counterpart to make the same commitment."
Guess who WON'T commit to NOT using foreign help?
Oh, please! Guess!
"Trump campaign won't commit to staying away from hacked material"
Surprised, aren't you!
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“Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m
fucked.” - President Donald J. Trump (excerpt from the Mueller Report)
RichA
May 3, 2019, 8:02:48 PM5/3/19
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trotsky
May 4, 2019, 8:41:53 AM5/4/19
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are you talking about?
NoBody
May 4, 2019, 9:28:00 AM5/4/19
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On Fri, 3 May 2019 09:44:12 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
wrote:
I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
not be used as attempted political weapons.
wrote:
not be used as attempted political weapons.
moviePig
May 4, 2019, 9:55:55 AM5/4/19
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between you and the public treasury.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
May 4, 2019, 1:54:47 PM5/4/19
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On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:55:55 AM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
> > I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
> > not be used as attempted political weapons.
>
> No, your sex life is private. Your tax returns, otoh, are negotiations
> between you and the public treasury.
In our present political system, anyone who enters public service
> > I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
> > not be used as attempted political weapons.
>
> No, your sex life is private. Your tax returns, otoh, are negotiations
> between you and the public treasury.
gives up a certain (or substantial) amount of their privacy.
Most aspects of their private lives, including financial and
marital, are fair game. Indeed, in some cases, there is
mandatory disclosure.
In the case of Trump, first, there is a long standing tradition
that presidents disclose their tax returns. He has promised
to do so, but reneged on that promise. Second, Trump has
extensive foreign business interests. The US Constitution
expressly prohibits that, and the people have a right to know
if the Constitution is being observed.
Trump has insisted he has no dealings with Russia. But he has
failed to explain why Russia was so damn interested in him
getting elected and protecting him.
moviePig
May 4, 2019, 2:35:46 PM5/4/19
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contested. But I'd hope at least to discredit the notion that Trump's
concealment is in any way a noble defense of some "right to privacy".
FPP
May 4, 2019, 5:00:24 PM5/4/19
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(Harding).
They passed the law that the current administration is breaking today.
"The Teapot Dome scandal inspired additional federal reforms such as the
Federal Corrupt Practices Act of 1925, which expanded federal campaign
finance disclosure requirements and included expenditure caps for
congressional candidates. Another reform was the Revenue Act of 1924,
which provided the chairs of the House Ways and Means and Senate Finance
Committees with the ability to demand tax returns from the IRS."
https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/what-teapot-dome-scandal-has-do-trump-tax-returns
But "laws" don't apply to Republicans when they don't like them, now.
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Trump: "I'm rich." (* but you can't see my taxes.)
"I'm smart." (* but you can't see my grades.)
"I'm totally exonerated." (* but you can't see the report.)
moviePig
May 4, 2019, 5:36:56 PM5/4/19
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the wall where that action is being discussed ...if only to learn how
this contempt doesn't *demand* immediate reaction, lest it proliferate.
bruce2...@gmail.com
May 4, 2019, 6:10:44 PM5/4/19
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RichA
May 5, 2019, 7:33:59 AM5/5/19
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The Horny Goat
May 5, 2019, 8:58:30 AM5/5/19
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On Sun, 5 May 2019 04:33:56 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm more worried about Chinese influence on the Canadian election in
October as the US has far more resources to expose this sort of crap
and a president (unlike our prime minister) who is highly motivated to
do so
wrote:
October as the US has far more resources to expose this sort of crap
and a president (unlike our prime minister) who is highly motivated to
do so
FPP
May 5, 2019, 9:11:22 AM5/5/19
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"But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in
reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from
Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by
a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as
what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller
and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even
Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in
2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians
make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
I assume they didn't lend him all that cash for nothing.
NoBody
May 5, 2019, 10:36:25 AM5/5/19
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On Sat, 4 May 2019 09:55:33 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns
Individual income tax returns — including those of public figures —
are private information, protected by law from unauthorized
disclosure. Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service is barred from
releasing any taxpayer information whatsoever, except to authorized
agencies and individuals.
Like all other citizens, U.S. presidents enjoy this protection of
their privacy. Since the early 1970s, however, most presidents and
some vice presidents have chosen to release their returns publicly. In
the hope of making this information more widely available, the Tax
Notes Tax History Project has compiled an archive of these tax
returns.
wrote:
>On 5/4/2019 9:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 May 2019 09:44:12 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/3/2019 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2019 10:28:14 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so
>>>>> deeply involved in our political process now, will China
>>>>> want in? SUPPOSE someone were to say, "China if you're
>>>>> listening, can you find Trump's tax returns?"
>>>>>
>>>> It seems the left is ok with foreign interference with elections but
>>>> only as long as it's in their favor.
>>>
>>> You're right, there was probably no sarcasm in MSNBC's question, and any
>>> mirroring of Trump's famous plea to Russia must be merely coincidental.
>>> But, why do you assume Trump's tax returns would favor the Left?
>>
>> I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
>> not be used as attempted political weapons.
>
>No, your sex life is private. Your tax returns, otoh, are negotiations
>between you and the public treasury.
Do you demonstrate your ignorance on purpose?
>On 5/4/2019 9:27 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 May 2019 09:44:12 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/3/2019 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2019 10:28:14 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so
>>>>> deeply involved in our political process now, will China
>>>>> want in? SUPPOSE someone were to say, "China if you're
>>>>> listening, can you find Trump's tax returns?"
>>>>>
>>>> It seems the left is ok with foreign interference with elections but
>>>> only as long as it's in their favor.
>>>
>>> You're right, there was probably no sarcasm in MSNBC's question, and any
>>> mirroring of Trump's famous plea to Russia must be merely coincidental.
>>> But, why do you assume Trump's tax returns would favor the Left?
>>
>> I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
>> not be used as attempted political weapons.
>
>No, your sex life is private. Your tax returns, otoh, are negotiations
>between you and the public treasury.
https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns
Individual income tax returns — including those of public figures —
are private information, protected by law from unauthorized
disclosure. Indeed, the Internal Revenue Service is barred from
releasing any taxpayer information whatsoever, except to authorized
agencies and individuals.
Like all other citizens, U.S. presidents enjoy this protection of
their privacy. Since the early 1970s, however, most presidents and
some vice presidents have chosen to release their returns publicly. In
the hope of making this information more widely available, the Tax
Notes Tax History Project has compiled an archive of these tax
returns.
NoBody
May 5, 2019, 10:37:39 AM5/5/19
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On Sat, 4 May 2019 10:54:44 -0700 (PDT), hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:55:55 AM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>
>> > I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
>> > not be used as attempted political weapons.
>>
>> No, your sex life is private. Your tax returns, otoh, are negotiations
>> between you and the public treasury.
>
>In our present political system, anyone who enters public service
>gives up a certain (or substantial) amount of their privacy.
>Most aspects of their private lives, including financial and
>marital, are fair game. Indeed, in some cases, there is
>mandatory disclosure.
No show us the law where it says a President must release his tax
>On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:55:55 AM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>
>> > I don't. My position is that one's tax returns are private and should
>> > not be used as attempted political weapons.
>>
>> No, your sex life is private. Your tax returns, otoh, are negotiations
>> between you and the public treasury.
>
>In our present political system, anyone who enters public service
>gives up a certain (or substantial) amount of their privacy.
>Most aspects of their private lives, including financial and
>marital, are fair game. Indeed, in some cases, there is
>mandatory disclosure.
returns.
>
>In the case of Trump, first, there is a long standing tradition
>that presidents disclose their tax returns. He has promised
>to do so, but reneged on that promise. Second, Trump has
>extensive foreign business interests. The US Constitution
>expressly prohibits that, and the people have a right to know
>if the Constitution is being observed.
>
>Trump has insisted he has no dealings with Russia. But he has
>failed to explain why Russia was so damn interested in him
>getting elected and protecting him.
>
moviePig
May 5, 2019, 11:18:58 AM5/5/19
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moviePig
May 5, 2019, 11:26:25 AM5/5/19
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mine. Any "ignorance" here is yours of your own train of thought.
NoBody
May 6, 2019, 7:26:01 AM5/6/19
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On Sun, 5 May 2019 11:18:54 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
wrote:
Given every crack and crevice that Mueller went into, only a fool
would believe otherwise. Are you a fool?
wrote:
would believe otherwise. Are you a fool?
NoBody
May 6, 2019, 7:26:36 AM5/6/19
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On Sun, 5 May 2019 11:26:21 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Oh look, you evade with personal insults - how original.
moviePig
May 6, 2019, 9:15:47 AM5/6/19
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moviePig
May 6, 2019, 9:19:12 AM5/6/19
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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
May 6, 2019, 12:51:35 PM5/6/19
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On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 2:35:46 PM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
> > In the case of Trump, first, there is a long standing tradition
> > that presidents disclose their tax returns. He has promised
> > to do so, but reneged on that promise. Second, Trump has
> > extensive foreign business interests. The US Constitution
> > expressly prohibits that, and the people have a right to know
> > if the Constitution is being observed.
> >
> > Trump has insisted he has no dealings with Russia. But he has
> > failed to explain why Russia was so damn interested in him
> > getting elected and protecting him.
>
> And I know that my position on universal disclosure of tax returns is
> contested. But I'd hope at least to discredit the notion that Trump's
> concealment is in any way a noble defense of some "right to privacy".
Everybody knows Trump has nothing to do with privacy. Him
> > In the case of Trump, first, there is a long standing tradition
> > that presidents disclose their tax returns. He has promised
> > to do so, but reneged on that promise. Second, Trump has
> > extensive foreign business interests. The US Constitution
> > expressly prohibits that, and the people have a right to know
> > if the Constitution is being observed.
> >
> > Trump has insisted he has no dealings with Russia. But he has
> > failed to explain why Russia was so damn interested in him
> > getting elected and protecting him.
>
> And I know that my position on universal disclosure of tax returns is
> contested. But I'd hope at least to discredit the notion that Trump's
> concealment is in any way a noble defense of some "right to privacy".
and his supporters certainly never respected the privacy
of their political enemies.
Still waiting for an answer from Trump supporters as to why
Russia was so damn interested in him getting elected and protecting
him. Why did Flynn lie for him? If Flynn was such a hero, why
did Trump fire him?
NoBody
May 7, 2019, 7:55:56 AM5/7/19
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On Mon, 6 May 2019 09:19:08 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Apparently you are ignorant of the fact that I wasn't the one who
brought ignorance into the topic.
brought ignorance into the topic.
moviePig
May 7, 2019, 9:28:08 AM5/7/19
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NoBody
May 8, 2019, 7:24:07 AM5/8/19
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On Tue, 7 May 2019 09:28:03 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
It's all in the above. Please review.
moviePig
May 8, 2019, 9:26:10 AM5/8/19
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If you have no more to offer than cryptic smugness, then please go away.
NoBody
May 9, 2019, 8:57:24 AM5/9/19
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On Wed, 8 May 2019 09:26:04 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Clearly you haven't as you said I said something I did not.
>If you have no more to offer than cryptic smugness, then please go away.
There is nothing smug about pointing out that you incorrectly
attributed something to me I did not say. I'm stating a fact. Sorry
if you're offended by that.
>If you have no more to offer than cryptic smugness, then please go away.
attributed something to me I did not say. I'm stating a fact. Sorry
if you're offended by that.
moviePig
May 9, 2019, 9:26:28 AM5/9/19
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didn't introduce mention of 'ignorance'...
NoBody
May 10, 2019, 7:47:38 AM5/10/19
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On Thu, 9 May 2019 09:26:24 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Look again. You are in error. BTW, the term ignorance is correct
given that I provided proof that the claim was dead wrong.
given that I provided proof that the claim was dead wrong.
moviePig
May 10, 2019, 8:56:59 AM5/10/19
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(And are you now pretending that wasn't a "personal insult"?)
irishra...@gmail.com
May 10, 2019, 6:15:52 PM5/10/19
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On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 1:28:17 PM UTC-4, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so
> deeply involved in our political process now, will China
> want in?
Depends on how much $ Hillary, Uncle Joe and the DNC are asking.
> Last night, MSNBC raised the question, since Russia is so
> deeply involved in our political process now, will China
> want in?
Remember, Biden flew his son Hunter to China on Air Force Two
when he was Obama's VP. Hunter Biden came back with a
$1.5 Billion dollar deal from the China National Bank.
Irish Mike
FPP
May 10, 2019, 7:40:04 PM5/10/19
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There are three inescapable facts from the Mueller report that Mitch
McConnell can't hide:
1. A foreign government attacked our elections in order to help Donald
Trump.
2. Trump welcomed that help.
3. Trump tried to obstruct the investigation into his actions.
-Elizabeth Warren
NoBody
May 12, 2019, 9:45:42 AM5/12/19
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On Fri, 10 May 2019 08:56:56 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Why are you evolving your "point" by asking different questions? You
just claimed you and I were the only people participating. Have you
now looked again (like I told you twice to do) and realized you were
wrong?
>(And are you now pretending that wasn't a "personal insult"?)
The term ignorance is not automatically an insult nor was there an
intention to insult. It simply means you are unaware of a fact (and
apparently are over-sensitive). I generally don't insult people
unless they make it clear in their language to me that insults are all
they understand.
Can you please get back to the original claim that tax returns aren't
private? I provided proof that the claim was wrong and you've gone
off on this weird tangent ever since. Is it that difficult for you to
admit an error?
just claimed you and I were the only people participating. Have you
now looked again (like I told you twice to do) and realized you were
wrong?
>(And are you now pretending that wasn't a "personal insult"?)
intention to insult. It simply means you are unaware of a fact (and
apparently are over-sensitive). I generally don't insult people
unless they make it clear in their language to me that insults are all
they understand.
Can you please get back to the original claim that tax returns aren't
private? I provided proof that the claim was wrong and you've gone
off on this weird tangent ever since. Is it that difficult for you to
admit an error?
moviePig
May 12, 2019, 10:32:38 AM5/12/19
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NoBody
May 13, 2019, 6:33:49 AM5/13/19
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On Sun, 12 May 2019 10:32:32 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Sigh....Please read my question and get back on topic. I explained
exactly what I meant. Instead of being a logical adult, you simply
repeat your evasive question.
exactly what I meant. Instead of being a logical adult, you simply
repeat your evasive question.
moviePig
May 13, 2019, 9:36:02 AM5/13/19
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NoBody
May 14, 2019, 7:50:48 AM5/14/19
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On Mon, 13 May 2019 09:35:59 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
And around you go again. Are you actually afraid to address my
original question and instead engage in this diversion? I explained
exactly what I meant. You choose to ignore what I say and just reask
a question that has already been answered. That behavior is best
described as trollish.
original question and instead engage in this diversion? I explained
exactly what I meant. You choose to ignore what I say and just reask
a question that has already been answered. That behavior is best
described as trollish.
moviePig
May 14, 2019, 9:35:30 AM5/14/19
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NoBody
May 15, 2019, 7:58:35 AM5/15/19
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On Tue, 14 May 2019 09:35:21 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Asked and answered. You are now officially a troll who can't address
a topic. I've treated you with courtesy and respect up until this
point. If you wish to continue your present course, I'll just treat
you like every other troll.
a topic. I've treated you with courtesy and respect up until this
point. If you wish to continue your present course, I'll just treat
you like every other troll.
moviePig
May 15, 2019, 9:07:16 AM5/15/19
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Who wrote, "Do you demonstrate your ignorance on purpose?"?
NoBody
May 16, 2019, 7:11:02 AM5/16/19
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On Wed, 15 May 2019 09:07:10 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Here you go: "See above". It's written in plain English.
moviePig
May 16, 2019, 9:28:24 AM5/16/19
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Try again: who wrote, "Do you demonstrate your ignorance on purpose?"?
NoBody
May 18, 2019, 8:54:05 AM5/18/19
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On Thu, 16 May 2019 09:28:20 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
Please learn to read and then get back to us. The answer is STILL
above yet you keep asking the same diverting question.
above yet you keep asking the same diverting question.
moviePig
May 18, 2019, 10:14:46 AM5/18/19
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NoBody
May 19, 2019, 9:03:03 AM5/19/19
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On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:14:41 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
I won't hold my breath waiting. You've shown a remarkable inability
to respond to the subject of a poll or provide direct answers to a
question.
to respond to the subject of a poll or provide direct answers to a
question.
moviePig
May 19, 2019, 9:53:37 AM5/19/19
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NoBody
May 20, 2019, 7:17:39 AM5/20/19
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On Sun, 19 May 2019 09:53:34 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
And you continue with your childish responses. Grow up so you can
play with the adults here.
play with the adults here.
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