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Howard Stern Blasts Roger Waters Over Israel Boycott
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/palestine-waters-concentration




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cMUoCcUtFs

Just four months after speaking at a closed-door summit at Sheldon Adelson's Las Vegas Casino marking the creation of a new anti-BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) group, mega-donor Haim Saban has quietly ended his involvement with the group.

Saban is a major supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, while Adelson, who has not yet named his favorite presidential candidate in the 2016 race, was among the largest donors in 2012 of Republican presidential candidates.



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Stern Gang Zionist extremist organization
http://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

[Irish Ranger]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 7:08:05 PM UTC-4, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Howard Stern Blasts Roger Waters Over Israel Boycott
> http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/palestine-waters-concentration
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cMUoCcUtFs
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> Just four months after speaking at a closed-door summit at Sheldon Adelson's Las Vegas Casino marking the creation of a new anti-BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) group, mega-donor Haim Saban has quietly ended his involvement with the group.
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> Saban is a major supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, while Adelson, who has not yet named his favorite presidential candidate in the 2016 race, was among the largest donors in 2012 of Republican presidential candidates.

I never understand these anti-Jewish rants. There are only 13 million Jews in the entire world and 6 million of them are in Israel. Israel is a tiny country and America's only real ally in the middle-east. There are 1.7 Billion muslims. The muslims are involved in almost every violent conflict on the planet. The muslims have carried out countless terrorist attacks. The muslims have killed thousands of Americans on American soil. The muslims have vowed repeatedly to destroy America and murder every Jewish man, woman and child on the planet. Russia is America's most powerful enemy and now they are partnering with Iran to fight America. And yet, you totally ignore these real threats and devote all of your time to these anti-Jewish rants. I honestly do not understand your logic.

Irish Mike ( a Catholic by the way)

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

If you are really interested in understanding, Jewish Voice for Peace has produced a six minute video that explains the basics of the middle east conflict between Palestine and Israel. Just 6 minutes of your time.

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/israeli-palestinian-conflict-101/

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 7:08:05 PM UTC-4, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Palestinian delegation to US decries Howard Stern's 'racism'
TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF October 8, 2015
http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-delegation-to-us-decries-howard-sterns-racism/




The top representative body of the Palestinians in the US condemned recent comments by the Jewish radio host Howard Stern as "racist" and "baseless."

The PLO Delegation to the US was referring to a monologue aired earlier this week, during which Stern denounced former Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters for his ongoing efforts to convince musicians to boycott Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians.

In a statement, the PLO delegation termed Waters a "human rights activist" and decried what it referred to as Stern's racism against Arabs, and Palestinians in particular.

"Mr. Stern's contention that Palestinians 'did not live there [Palestine]' is a claim grounded in racist assumptions that the indigenous Palestinian population does not exist. Such baseless allegations only serve to foment violence and hatred, and do little to promote the interests of peace and reconciliation," the statement, published on Wednesday, said.

The PLO delegation also quoted from a previous show during which Stern said, "The Arab world has to be taught a lesson, that we are the boss and you are going to be our dogs... let Israel loose... it could be taken care of in an hour; you could wipe them off the face of the earth...I'd blow up... the Palestinians... blow them all up and be done with them, and you won't miss a night's sleep."

If Stern were to make such comments about other ethnic groups, including Jews, the PLO delegation asserted, "the public outcry would rightly be fierce."

"We will not allow anyone, including Mr. Stern, to disseminate misguided, racist, or genocidal views into the public sphere without being held to account," the statement said, calling on the celebrity radio host to retract his statements and issue an apology.

During his expletive-laden rant against Waters, Stern called the singer to task for what he called Waters' preoccupation with the Jewish people.

"What is with Roger Waters and the Jews? ...Where do you want the Jews to go, Roger? You want them to just go back to the concentration camp? What is it you want, fuckhead?

"It seems like you're a little too consumed with it," Stern added.

Stern's diatribe against Waters on Tuesday came just a days after the singer published an open letter calling on Jon Bon Jovi to cancel his show in Israel. Bon Jovi performed as planned.

[Irish Ranger]

I watched this muslim propaganda film and found it inaccurate, misleading and dishonest.

First, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel is historic and clearly documented. The area was never owned by the Palestinians.

Second, Israel represents barely one percent of the lands given to the muslims at the end of WWI.
To ever claim the muslims had no land to call their own is absurd.

Third, it was the muslims that started the "6 Day War" when they attacked Israel. Israel won the war in 6 days and claimed strategic areas to defend against future muslim attacks. That land had previously been claimed by Jordan's King Hussein - it never belonged to the Palestinians.

Fourth, at the Camp David Peace Accord, hosted by President Bill Clinton, Israel sought peace and offered Yasser Arafat 97% of every thing he demanded. But when Arafat returned to the Palestinians, he rejected peace and launched attacks against Israel. Why? Because Arafat was afraid he would lose power if the Palestinians made peace with Israel.

Fifth, Israel again sought peace with the Palestinians by offering "land for peace". Israel uprooted thousands of Jewish settlers and forced them off their irrigated farms and orchards in Gaza, and gave the land to the Palestinian muslims in the naive hope it would bring peace, Instead the muslims immediately moved rocket launchers in to Gaza and have fired thousands of rockets into Israeli settlements and villages.

The truth is the muslims have repeatedly sworn to murder every Jewish man, woman and child on the planet. They attack Israel, and Jews in other countries, through their myriad terrorist organizations like hezbollah, hamas, isis, al queada, taliban, etc. They build shrines to muslim suicide bombers who blow up Israeli civilians.

Here is the sad truth. There will never be peace until muslims begin loving their own children more than they hate Jews, As long as muslims raise their children to be hate filled terrorists and suicide bombers, and muslin leaders vow to destroy Israel and "wipe all Jews off the face of the earth", there will never be peace.

Irish Mike (a Catholic)

"Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is a religion of fighting, All Muslims must join the fight against the infidels," Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS

[Barb May]

Irish Ranger wrote:

> Irish Mike

Whoops! Mike finally "outs" himself.

> "Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is a religion of
> fighting, All Muslims must join the fight against the infidels,"
> Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS

Quoting an ISIS leader as an authority on Islam is like quoting Fred
Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) as an authority on Christianity.

--
Barb

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 7:08:05 PM UTC-4, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Hillary Clinton has put out another letter condemning the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS) as a form of anti-semitism, on the eve of a Methodist General Conference that will consider measures to divest from three companies that do business in the occupied West Bank.

The letter is addressed to David Stern, chair of the Israel Action Network, and Susan Stern vice chair of the Jewish Federations of North America.



Calling Israel a ‘modern day miracle’ and ‘vibrant bloom in desert,’ Clinton says BDS is anti-Semitic
Philip Weiss on May 9, 2016
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/05/calling-miracle-clinton/


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Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson - Free Speech and Israel Boycott BDS
‫חיים סבן ושלדון אדלסון בראיון- ערוץ 2 6.6.15‬‎ - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cMUoCcUtFs

[Ed Stasiak]

> Irish Ranger

>
> First, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel is historic and clearly
> documented.  The area was never owned by the Palestinians.

The Old Testament is myth, not a historical document and if the Palestinians
never “owned” the area, then the Jews didn’t either, seeing as how until
1948 A.D. they were subject to one or another of the surrounding (and
historically proven) kingdoms and empires.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 9:40:05 AM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Irish Ranger
> >
> > First, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel is historic and clearly
> > documented.  The area was never owned by the Palestinians.


> The Old Testament is myth, not a historical document and if the Palestinians
> never “owned” the area, then the Jews didn’t either

So the Old Testament is fiction, scripted by a Jewish writer. How is the OT any different from what comes out of Hollywood today?

[Adam H. Kerman]

I had to change your "smart quotes" to plain ASCII; please don't do that.

The territory of Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan until the
1967 Six Day War. Curious how Egypt and Jordan were never seen as repressers
of the Palestinian people yearning for their own state during that period,
the one promised them by the U.N. partition.

I'm calling bullshit on your absurd statement on history. Yeah, Bible
history is actually documented and historical statements in the Bible
can be confirmed to a greater or lesser extent. "Torah" means "teaching";
not history. It's intended to be discussed, even questioned. If you were
Jewish , you could draw your own conclusions. Christian? Not so much.

The Palestinians are hardly a Biblical people, given that the Palestinian
identity didn't even emerge till the late 19th century and they aren't
even a separate ethnic group from a lot of Arabs who live in Lebanon,
Syria, and Jordon.

Of course there's been a lot of history written since the Bible, but
it's absurd to deny history to begin with.

[Barry Worthington]

I wondered when the 'professional Irishman' would show up. My native city of Manchester has been attacked three times by terrorist bombs. The last one counted as the largest bomb explosion on the British mainland since WWII. These were not the work of Muslim extremists; they were the actions of idiots who thought that they were Irish patriots. The majority of Irish people, in both Ireland and Manchester were mortified. But some expatriates in America, who are actually American but have this romantic image of Ireland, still put their hands in their pockets when the hat was passed round for the 'boys'. Like you, they buy into this perpetual 'victimhood', this bloody mythology that Behan called the 'patriot game'.

You are a Roman Catholic, by the way, since all the mainstream Christian churches are 'Catholic and Apostolic'. As in Poland, one of the curses of political and social life is a deeply conservative church. In Ireland, as a result of too many abuses and scandals, this is changing. Gay marriage has been achieved, and abortion is next on the list.

Now let's extend the argument to Israel. Most Jews don't live in Israel. There is a difference between Judaism and Zionism; one is a religion with many adherents and several religious factions, and the other is a secular movement. There are many Jews who are not Zionists, and some are virulently opposed to movement, either from religious or political reasons. (I was educated in a Jewish area of Manchester, and learnt these things at an early age.) Are those Jews opposed to Zionism anti-Semitic?

Even numbers of Israelis are opposed to the policies of their present government. Are they anti-Semitic?

Now let's look at Zionism itself. You have to draw a distinction between mainstream Zionism and the lunatic right-wing fringe. You can trace this all the way back to Vladimir Jabotinsky, and then forward via Avraham Stern and Menachem Begin to Likud and Benjamin Netanyahu. There are plenty of Israelis and Jews who regard these people as shit.

But all this will go over your head, won't it?

Dr. Barry Worthington

[Adam H. Kerman]

On Wed, 11 May 2016 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT),
Barry Worthington <barrywort...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, 8 October 2015 11:13:55 UTC+1, Irish Ranger wrote:
>>On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 7:08:05 PM UTC-4, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>Howard Stern Blasts Roger Waters Over Israel Boycott
>>>http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/palestine-waters-concentration

>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cMUoCcUtFs

>>>Just four months after speaking at a closed-door summit at Sheldon
>>>Adelson's Las Vegas Casino marking the creation of a new anti-BDS
>>>(Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) group, mega-donor Haim Saban has
>>>quietly ended his involvement with the group.

>>>Saban is a major supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary
>>>Clinton, while Adelson, who has not yet named his favorite presidential
>>>candidate in the 2016 race, was among the largest donors in 2012 of
>>>Republican presidential candidates.

>>I never understand these anti-Jewish rants. There are only 13
>>million Jews in the entire world and 6 million of them are in Israel.
>>Israel is a tiny country and America's only real ally in the middle-east.
>>There are 1.7 Billion muslims. The muslims are involved in almost every
>>violent conflict on the planet. The muslims have carried out countless
>>terrorist attacks. The muslims have killed thousands of Americans on
>>American soil. The muslims have vowed repeatedly to destroy America
>>and murder every Jewish man, woman and child on the planet. Russia is
>>America's most powerful enemy and now they are partnering with Iran
>>to fight America. And yet, you totally ignore these real threats and
>>devote all of your time to these anti-Jewish rants. I honestly do not
>>understand your logic.

>>Irish Mike ( a Catholic by the way)

>I wondered when the 'professional Irishman' would show up.

He posted his followup October 8, 2015, which you can tell by reading
the Date header. You posted your followup on Wed, 11 May 2016 12:58:16
-0700 (PDT) according to the Date header in your article, and no one was
wondering when the professional hypocrite would show up.

It's curious that a pretend Englishman with a pretend Ph.D finds it
necessary to post to Usenet through a decrepid US news server instead of from
a genuine News server in England.

[Barry Worthington]

Well, I was.....

>
> It's curious that a pretend Englishman with a pretend Ph.D finds it
> necessary to post to Usenet through a decrepid US news server instead of from
> a genuine News server in England.

Adam bores for America.......


Dr. Barry Worthington

[Ed Stasiak]

> Adam H. Kerman
> > Ed Stasiak

> >
> > The Old Testament is myth, not a historical document and if the Palestinians
> > never "owned" the area, then the Jews didn't either, seeing as how until
> > 1948 A.D. they were subject to one or another of the surrounding (and
> > historically proven) kingdoms and empires.
>
> I had to change your "smart quotes" to plain ASCII; please don't do that.

They’re just plain old quotation marks on my end.

> The territory of Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan until the
> 1967 Six Day War.

And by the British before that and the Turks before them and the Byzantines
before them and so on, all the way back to thru history. With the exception
of a few short lived revolts against foreign overlords, the area has never
been independent.

> Curious how Egypt and Jordan were never seen as repressers of the
> Palestinian people yearning for their own state during that period, the
> one promised them by the U.N. partition.

How nice of the UN to “give” the Palestinian their own state, while handing
over half their territory to European immigrants.

It’s the equivalent of me declaring The Kingdom of Gondor in your
backyard, with the cops telling you to just accept it or they’ll beat your
ass…

> The Palestinians are hardly a Biblical people

But Israeli Jews, almost all of whom are Europeans, are? Seems to me,
the Palestinians are the ones who never left, so they’d get dibs but what’s
done is done.

[Dave]

FYI the Stern Gang is a Human Right organization, formed in the 1940's.
Its goal is to bring peace, justice, and happiness to all legitimate
dwellers in the Middle East.

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[Adam H. Kerman]

Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:

>>Adam H. Kerman
>>>Ed Stasiak

>>>The Old Testament is myth, not a historical document and if the Palestinians
>>>never "owned" the area, then the Jews didn't either, seeing as how until
>>>1948 A.D. they were subject to one or another of the surrounding (and
>>>historically proven) kingdoms and empires.

>>I had to change your "smart quotes" to plain ASCII; please don't do that.

>They^Yre just plain old quotation marks on my end.

Bullshit. You've got Rich Text turned on, haven't you. Google Groups
sucks enough. You don't need to make it suck more by not using plain text.

>>The territory of Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan until the
>>1967 Six Day War.

>And by the British before that and the Turks before them and the Byzantines
>before them and so on, all the way back to thru history. With the exception
>of a few short lived revolts against foreign overlords, the area has never
>been independent.

You're missing the point. It wasn't partitioned till The Mandate in the
Treaty of Versailles when the French and British grabbed the non-Turkish
part of the Ottoman Empire for themselves, and then the post WWII partition
of 1948. There just weren't any international boundaries before then,
no nation states.

I want you to acknowledge that it was the Arabs themselves that rejected
the two-state solution (with an international Jerusalem).

>>Curious how Egypt and Jordan were never seen as repressers of the
>>Palestinian people yearning for their own state during that period, the
>>one promised them by the U.N. partition.

>How nice of the UN to ^@^\give^@^\ the Palestinian their own state, while handing

>over half their territory to European immigrants.

The Jews of Central Europe weren't immigrants; they were exiles. You just
told us it wasn't Palestinian territory, but British territory, and
Turkish territory before that, and Byzantine territory before that,
and Roman territory before that.

>It^@^Ys the equivalent of me declaring The Kingdom of Gondor in your

>backyard, with the cops telling you to just accept it or they’ll beat your

>ass.

>>The Palestinians are hardly a Biblical people

>But Israeli Jews, almost all of whom are Europeans, are?

No. Sephardic Jews had lived all over the Middle East, including
Jerusalem, for centuries, ever since they were exiled from Spain.
It's about half and half.

>Seems to me, the Palestinians are the ones who never left, so they^@^Yd
>get dibs but what^@^Ys done is done.

What do you mean, never left? They're only partly descended from peoples
mentioned in the Bible, intermixed with Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula.
They're actually genetically similar to lots of Sephardic Jews, hence
all the curly hair and darker complexions.

You are aware that the Jews have been exiled repeatedly throughout history,
yes? You really do deny a whole lot of history.

[Ed Stasiak]

> Adam H. Kerman
> > Ed Stasiak
> >

> > They^Yre just plain old quotation marks on my end.
>
> Bullshit. You've got Rich Text turned on, haven't you. Google Groups
> sucks enough. You don't need to make it suck more by not using plain
> text.

I ain’t got nothing turned on and can’t find anything on Google to change
text formats anyway. Maybe it’s your newsreader that’s the problem?

> > And by the British before that and the Turks before them and the
> > Byzantines before them and so on, all the way back to thru history.
>

> You're missing the point. It wasn't partitioned till The Mandate in the

> Treaty of Versailles. There just weren't any international boundaries

> before then, no nation states.

Nonsense, there have been all kinda borders there throughout history
depending on which empire was in control of the area at the time.

> I want you to acknowledge that it was the Arabs themselves that rejected
> the two-state solution (with an international Jerusalem).

Of course they rejected foreign powers coming in and telling them half
their land would be handed over to European immigrants, wouldn’t you?

ME: “I declare Adam’s toolshed to be Minas Ithil! Glory to Numenor!”
YOU: “What?! Fuck that!”
UN: “Sorry, but you’ll just have to accept it or I’ll beat your ass.”

> > How nice of the UN to “give” the Palestinian their own state, while

> > handing over half their territory to European immigrants.
>
> The Jews of Central Europe weren't immigrants; they were exiles.

Which wasn’t the Palestinians fault.

> You just told us it wasn't Palestinian territory, but British territory, and
> Turkish territory before that, and Byzantine territory before that, and
> Roman territory before that.

And the Palestinians had been living there all along, regardless of who
control the area, so why should they give it up to foreigners?

> > But Israeli Jews, almost all of whom are Europeans, are?
>
> No. Sephardic Jews had lived all over the Middle East, including
> Jerusalem, for centuries, ever since they were exiled from Spain.
> It's about half and half.

And the Palestinians never left.

> They're only partly descended from peoples mentioned in the Bible

They’re directly related to the people in the Bible and far more closely
then European Jews, as the Palestinians never left.

> You are aware that the Jews have been exiled repeatedly throughout
> history, yes? You really do deny a whole lot of history.

Sure, but so have all kinda other people, should they get their own nation
also?

Are you ready to give up your house to whatever American Indian tribe
lived there back in the day? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

[hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com]

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:26:25 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> And the Palestinians had been living there all along, regardless of who
> control the area, so why should they give it up to foreigners?

Wrong; they weren't living there all along.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

In early 1998, embarking on a new series of first-person documentaries for NPR, I went off in search of a story that would connect two great and tragic narratives of the Middle East -- that of the Israelis, and that of the Palestinians -- in a personal way, through a singular story. It was coming up on the 50th anniversary of the first Arab-Israeli war, and I wanted to find a human story that would evoke both narratives, as experienced by each side. To Israelis, it's the War of Independence; to Palestinians, it's the Nakba, or "Catastrophe."

I spent weeks in Jerusalem and the West Bank, interviewing fighters, politicians, and historians, and reading history: Israeli military history, Palestinian oral history, primary and secondary historical accounts.

I wanted to find a way to connect these histories -- of many thousands of Jews coming to the new state of Israel after the Holocaust; of 700,000 Palestinians fleeing and being forced out of their homes in the war -- through a single place, or, better yet, through an actual thing you could touch.

After several weeks, I found my story.

It was about two families who were connected by the same stone home in the Israeli town of Ramla. I learned that a Palestinian family, the Khairis, had built the house in 1936, and planted a lemon tree in the yard. They lived there until the war, when like almost all the families of that town, they were forced into exile by the arriving Israeli army.


The Lemon Tree: An Arab, a Jew, and the Heart of the Middle East
BY SANDY TOLAN JUNE 05, 2006
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2006/06/the_lemon_tree_1.html

[Adam H. Kerman]

Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:

>I ain’t got nothing turned on and can’t find anything on Google to change
>text formats anyway. Maybe it’s your newsreader that’s the problem?

Look, Ed, I can't be bothered to read your followup if you can't make
the effort to post in plain text. Using non-ASCII apostrophes and
non-ASCII double quotes on Usenet is just too annoying.

It is possible to avoid that crap when using Google Groups. Other people do.