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Ubiquitous

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Apr 29, 2016, 1:42:30 PM4/29/16
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Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
decades, slammed Bill Nye, ‘the science guy’ for saying that the new
skeptical global warming film ‘Climate Hustle’ is “very much not in
our national interest and the world’s interest.”

Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades, is featured
introducing ‘Climate Hustle’ in theatres on May 2 for the one-night
only showing. www.ClimateHustle.com

“I have always been amazed that anyone would pay attention to Bill
Nye, a pretend scientist in a bow tie,” Coleman said today.

“As a man who has studied the science of meteorology for over 60
years and received the AMS (American Meteorological Society’s)
‘Meteorologist of the Year’ award, I am totally offended that Nye
gets the press and media attention he does. And I am rooting for the
‘Climate Hustle’ film to become a huge hit — bigger than ‘An
Inconvenient Truth’ by Al Gore,” Coleman explained.

Coleman was the original meteorolgist on ABC’s Good Morning America.

Coleman also ripped Nye for suggesting climate skeptics should face
jail time for their dissenting views.

“That this the most awful thing since Galileo was jailed for saying
the Earth was not the center of the Universe,” Coleman said.

“In 20 or 30 years, when Nye is an old man, he will realize how
wrong he was as the Earth continue to be a just a great place to
live,” Coleman added.


--
"Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a
problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to
have an overrepresentation of factual presentations on how dangerous
it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what
the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve
this crisis."
-- Al Gore acknowledges exaggerating the dangers of "global
warming"



Steve L

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Apr 29, 2016, 3:08:44 PM4/29/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:42:26 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

>Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
>decades, slammed Bill Nye, ‘the science guy’ for saying that the new
>skeptical global warming film ‘Climate Hustle’ is “very much not in
>our national interest and the world’s interest.”
>
>Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades, is featured
>introducing ‘Climate Hustle’ in theatres on May 2 for the one-night
>only showing. www.ClimateHustle.com
>
>“I have always been amazed that anyone would pay attention to Bill
>Nye, a pretend scientist in a bow tie,” Coleman said today.

Hate to break it to you, but weathermen aren't scientists either.

FPP

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Apr 29, 2016, 7:31:19 PM4/29/16
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On 2016-04-29 17:42:26 +0000, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> said:

> Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
> decades, slammed Bill Nye, ‘the science guy’ for saying that the new
> skeptical global warming film ‘Climate Hustle’ is “very much not in
> our national interest and the world’s interest.”
>
> Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades, is featured
> introducing ‘Climate Hustle’ in theatres on May 2 for the one-night
> only showing. www.ClimateHustle.com
>
> “I have always been amazed that anyone would pay attention to Bill
> Nye, a pretend scientist in a bow tie,” Coleman said today.
>
> “As a man who has studied the science of meteorology for over 60
> years and received the AMS (American Meteorological Society’s)
> ‘Meteorologist of the Year’ award,

Who cares what talking TV weatherman thinks about science?
It's like saying a TV sportscaster should be listened to for advice on
how to hit a change-up. Or make a 3 pointer...

> John Coleman, co-founder of The Weather Channel and weatherman for
> KUSI-TV in San Diego—who has described global warming as "a fictional,
> manufactured crisis and a total scam"—has an undergraduate degree in
> journalism.
>
> His career, a successful and distinguished one, was in TV weather for
> over half a century, prior to his retirement in San Diego last April.
>
> But a climate scientist, he is not. To begin, Coleman hasn’t published
> a single peer-reviewed paper pertaining to climate change science.
>
> “Many people don’t accept my position that there is no significant
> man-made global warming because I am simply a Television Meteorologist
> without a Ph.D.,” he admitted in a blog post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/11/03/why-does-anyone-pay-attention-to-john-coleman-weather-channel-co-founder-on-climate-change/
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Lantern Jaw

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Apr 30, 2016, 12:02:47 AM4/30/16
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On 4/29/2016 5:31 PM, FPP wrote:
> Who cares what talking TV weatherman thinks about science?

Who cares what ANY Hollyweird mouth says about anything?

Oh - Dems do!

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 12:55:19 AM4/30/16
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Hollywood Dems like Eastwood and Chuck Norris? Or like Adam Sandler,
Cindy Crawford and Bruce Willis?
Maybe like Sly Stallone and Jerry Bruckheimer. Or LL Cool J and
Arnold Schwartzenegger.

Steven Baldwin. Drew Carey.
Kelsey Grammer. Tom Selleck.
Jon Voight. Alex Trebeck.
Meatball. Or Meatloaf... whatever.

What a clown...
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Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?

moviePig

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Apr 30, 2016, 9:36:59 AM4/30/16
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On 4/29/2016 7:31 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-04-29 17:42:26 +0000, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> said:
>
>> Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
>> decades, slammed Bill Nye, ‘the science guy’ for saying that the new
>> skeptical global warming film ‘Climate Hustle’ is “very much not in
>> our national interest and the world’s interest.”
>>
>> Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades, is featured
>> introducing ‘Climate Hustle’ in theatres on May 2 for the one-night
>> only showing. www.ClimateHustle.com
>>
>> “I have always been amazed that anyone would pay attention to Bill
>> Nye, a pretend scientist in a bow tie,” Coleman said today.
>>
>> “As a man who has studied the science of meteorology for over 60
>> years and received the AMS (American Meteorological Society’s)
>> ‘Meteorologist of the Year’ award,
>
> Who cares what talking TV weatherman thinks about science?
> It's like saying a TV sportscaster should be listened to for advice on
> how to hit a change-up. Or make a 3 pointer...
>
> ...

Interestingly, tennis broadcasts do often use (principal -- not just
'color') announcers who are acknowledged experts in the sport's
mechanics, and who routinely dispense advice during matches. But I
digress...

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http://www.moviepig.com

trotsky

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Apr 30, 2016, 10:27:01 AM4/30/16
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On 4/29/16 6:31 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-04-29 17:42:26 +0000, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> said:
>
>> Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
>> decades, slammed Bill Nye, ‘the science guy’ for saying that the new
>> skeptical global warming film ‘Climate Hustle’ is “very much not in
>> our national interest and the world’s interest.”
>>
>> Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades, is featured
>> introducing ‘Climate Hustle’ in theatres on May 2 for the one-night
>> only showing. www.ClimateHustle.com
>>
>> “I have always been amazed that anyone would pay attention to Bill
>> Nye, a pretend scientist in a bow tie,” Coleman said today.
>>
>> “As a man who has studied the science of meteorology for over 60
>> years and received the AMS (American Meteorological Society’s)
>> ‘Meteorologist of the Year’ award,
>
> Who cares what talking TV weatherman thinks about science?
> It's like saying a TV sportscaster should be listened to for advice on
> how to hit a change-up. Or make a 3 pointer...


Maybe he knows what 175 nations on Earth don't:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/04/22/paris-climate-agreement-signing-united-nations-new-york/83381218/


Bob

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Apr 30, 2016, 11:06:48 AM4/30/16
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Like WMD in Iraq?

rally2xs

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Apr 30, 2016, 12:12:57 PM4/30/16
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On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:42:26 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

"Climate change is a non issue for 2 reasons. One is that there's
nothing that we can do about it in the short term. The other is that
we have a very long time to do something about it, and we're going to
do something about it in the course of seeking what is best for
mankind.

What is best for mankind is cheap energy.

We're going to experience a very steep decline in the price of energy
for transportation starting in the next decade, when electric cars
finally begin t become practical:

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/

And, we are on the cusp of doing alternative electrical energy not
only because its a good idea, and gets tons of radioactive material
and heavy metals like lead out of the air, but is going to be the
cheapest thing around anyway.

"f readers are interested, it will take a few posts to go over the
details of calculating these costs for each of the primary energy
sources of coal, natural gas, nuclear, wind, solar and hydro, but the
results are: 4.1 ¢/kWhr for coal, 5.2 ¢/kWhr for natural gas, 3.5
¢/kWhr for nuclear, 4.3 ¢/kWhr for wind, 7.7 ¢/kWhr for solar, and 3.3
¢/kWhr for hydro."

From:

http://fugworld.proboards.com/thread/360/mom-year-nominee

The 4.3 cents per hour is competitive, and will likely decrease as
further technological advances take place. Therefore, we're going to
be adopting wind big-time.

If you check wikipedia, you find that it is possible to build out wind
in the USA to the extent of 9 times the current useage of electricity
in the USA at present. That means, with proper high voltatge DC
distribution throughout the USA, which has little loss, we could power
the USA exclusively with wind, sending the power from areas with wind
to areas without it.

I think that in 50 - 100 years, we won't be digging or drilling
anything to obtain energy. PV solar will also be used, even at its
more expensive 7.7 cents per kilowatt hour, and the our transformation
will be complete.

And its waaaaaay cheaper to "fuel" an electric car with 12.5 cents per
hour retail electricity than it is to fill it with gasoline. Most
electric cars now get 3 to 4 miles per kilowatt hour. That is, at,
say, 3 1/2 miles per KwH, 3.57 cents per mile. A car getting 40 mpg
at a gasoline cost of $2 / gallon is going to cost 5 cents per mile.
That's a 30% savings over a very high-mileage, untypically high
mileaged car, at an unusally low gasolie price.

What the low price means is that the world is going to convert along
with the USA not because of any treaty or urging by a bumch of kiddies
with climate models that nearly everyone believes are either
fraudulent or so far off from reality as to be that useless, they're
going to instead do it because its ther ight thing to to do make
people's lives better. People's lives get better when we have cheap
energy, and reneables are about to deliver it.

The watchword, then, is relax. Things are going to happen as they
need to.

The best thing about the scheme is that

BTR1701

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Apr 30, 2016, 2:23:04 PM4/30/16
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In article <ng1dl3$tsh$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2016-04-30 04:02:43 +0000, Lantern Jaw <lu...@lock.ner> said:
>
> > On 4/29/2016 5:31 PM, FPP wrote:

> >> Who cares what talking TV weatherman thinks about science?
> >
> > Who cares what ANY Hollyweird mouth says about anything?
> >
> > Oh - Dems do!
>
> Hollywood Dems like Eastwood and Chuck Norris? Or like Adam Sandler,
> Cindy Crawford and Bruce Willis?
> Maybe like Sly Stallone and Jerry Bruckheimer. Or LL Cool J and
> Arnold Schwartzenegger.
>
> Steven Baldwin. Drew Carey.
> Kelsey Grammer. Tom Selleck.
> Jon Voight. Alex Trebeck.
> Meatball. Or Meatloaf...

Yeah, like all of those. Who cares what any of them have to say about
science.

They're fucking actors who pretend to be things they're not for a
living. Why anyone gives any of them any elevated credence on anything
other than acting is beyond me.

trotsky

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:02:09 PM4/30/16
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Well anonyshitted.


Hot Lantis

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:05:48 PM4/30/16
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Who reanimated YOU?

Fuck off.

trotsky

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:10:27 PM4/30/16
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Don't worry, technically it's possible to un-bunch your panties.

Hot Lantis

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:12:46 PM4/30/16
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Don't speak, it's better to remain silent than to open your yap and
convince people what a tard you are.

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:52:25 PM4/30/16
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I rather believe that if the commentators are former players, it might
carry some weight... but if they're just sports fans, nobody should
take them seriously.

If it's Ted Williams telling me how to hit a fastball, I might listen.
Howard Cosell... not so much.
--
Half of the American people have never read a newspaper.
Half never voted for a President.
One hopes it is the same half. -Gore Vidal

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:53:27 PM4/30/16
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Good advice.

You should take it.
--
"The only difference between death and taxes is that death doesn't get
worse every time Congress meets." - Will Rogers

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 4:59:06 PM4/30/16
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> So let's make no mistake: "Faulty intelligence" didn't produce the
> deaths of 4,000 American servicemembers and a couple of hundred
> thousand Iraqi civilians. Faulty intelligence didn't strengthen Iran's
> position in the region, lead to an exponential increase in
> anti-Americanism, and give rise to ISIS. It was the delusions,
> deceptions, and hubris of the Bush administration and its supporters.
> They got exactly the intelligence they demanded, and used it to ends
> they had decided on long before.

http://prospect.org/waldman/myth-faulty-intelligence
--
“There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics.” Disraeli

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:01:47 PM4/30/16
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On 2016-04-30 16:12:49 +0000, rally2xs <rall...@att.net> said:

> The watchword, then, is relax. Things are going to happen as they
> need to.
>
> The best thing about the scheme is that

Kinda appropriate that you end your post on a half thought...

I'm just sayin'...

Rudy Canoza

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:11:13 PM4/30/16
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On 4/29/2016 10:42 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
> decades, slammed Bill Nye, ‘the science guy’ for saying that the new
> skeptical global warming film ‘Climate Hustle’ is “very much not in
> our national interest and the world’s interest.”
>
> Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades,

No. Coleman has a degree in journalism, not meteorology. He was an
on-camera weather news reader. He was not a forecaster, not an expert
in either climate or weather in any way. He was more knowledgeable than
the typical TV consumer, but by no means was he a meteorologist.

Hot Lantis

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:12:46 PM4/30/16
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The best.

> You should take it.

And you should gargle with Liquid Plumber.

The Urt and Rudy Show

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:18:32 PM4/30/16
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On 4/30/2016 3:01 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-04-30 16:12:49 +0000, rally2xs <rall...@att.net> said:
>
>> The watchword, then, is relax. Things are going to happen as they
>> need to.
>>
>> The best thing about the scheme is that
>
> Kinda appropriate that you end your post on a half thought...
>
> I'm just sayin'...

Now start learning:

http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/


International Team of Scientists Discredit "Scary" Sea Level Rise Myth:
Possibly 2.1 Inch Increase By Year 2050

Sea level myths and dreams of global warming nazis and their anti
science 032614Latest peer reviewed research determines that recent sea
level rise along the coasts of northern Europe and the English Channel
are within historical bounds experienced during the 19th and earlier
20th century periods.

Per the scientists from Australia, France, Germany, the Netherlands and
the United Kingdom, the actual empirical evidence points to a potential
sea level rise by 2050 AD of 2.1 inches for the North Sea coast and 1.6
inches for the English Channel.

"In light of the findings of the international team of scientists
participating in this significant study, it would appear that there is
nothing unusual, unnatural or unprecedented about the rate of sea level
rise throughout both the North Sea and the rest of the Global Ocean over
the entire CO2-emitting course of the Industrial Revolution."

In summary, this study does not support the irrational, unsubstantiated
current claims and predictions of sea level increases made by prominent
GWN's who rely on projections from the discredited climate models. The
recent and past sea level increase facts reveal the totally absurd and
irresponsible, anti-science speculations of 36 to 120 inch rise for
coastal waters.

The Urt and Rudy Show

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:19:56 PM4/30/16
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FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:23:12 PM4/30/16
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Good advice.

You should take it.

(Are you figuring out how this works, yet? No? Maybe you will with
the next post, then... but I'm not holding my breath.)
--
"Two people can see the same thing, disagree, and yet both be right.
It's not logical; it's psychological." - Stephen R. Covey

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:28:39 PM4/30/16
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On 2016-04-30 21:18:27 +0000, The Urt and Rudy Show <ba...@edmond.okc> said:

> On 4/30/2016 3:01 PM, FPP wrote:
>> On 2016-04-30 16:12:49 +0000, rally2xs <rall...@att.net> said:
>>
>>> The watchword, then, is relax. Things are going to happen as they
>>> need to.
>>>
>>> The best thing about the scheme is that
>>
>> Kinda appropriate that you end your post on a half thought...
>>
>> I'm just sayin'...
>
> Now start learning:
>
> http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/

And what are their credentials, pray tell?

I mean, besides a GMail address... who are their "experts"?
--
When we talk to God, we're praying. When God talks to us, we're
schizophrenic. -J Wagner

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:31:02 PM4/30/16
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On 2016-04-30 21:19:51 +0000, The Urt and Rudy Show <ba...@edmond.okc> said:

> Per the scientists from Australia, France, Germany, the Netherlands and
> the United Kingdom,

Oh... I get it, now! "the scientists".

Well, why didn't you just say that in the first place... I mean, if
"the scientists" are saying this, it MUST be true.

"the scientists" wouldn't lie.
--
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.

Hot Lantis

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:32:01 PM4/30/16
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Enjoy then.

Chug-a-lug now!

The Urt and Rudy Show

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:33:27 PM4/30/16
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On 4/30/2016 3:28 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-04-30 21:18:27 +0000, The Urt and Rudy Show <ba...@edmond.okc> said:
>
>> On 4/30/2016 3:01 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 2016-04-30 16:12:49 +0000, rally2xs <rall...@att.net> said:
>>>
>>>> The watchword, then, is relax. Things are going to happen as they
>>>> need to.
>>>>
>>>> The best thing about the scheme is that
>>>
>>> Kinda appropriate that you end your post on a half thought...
>>>
>>> I'm just sayin'...
>>
>> Now start learning:
>>
>> http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/
>
> And what are their credentials, pray tell?

Read the research, fool:

eality Wake-Up Call: Climate "Experts" Sea Level Prediction Found To Be
Wildly Wrong

The IPCC's climate models and multiple government climate "experts" have
proven time and again that they are completely unable to make reliable
predictions of global climate attributes - this time, the climate
reality wake-up call finds Australian government scientists to be wildly
wrong regarding their "accelerating" sea level predictions
(click on image to enlarge, image source, temperature data)

Australia climate experts sea level global warming predictions vs
realityAs has now become well established, climate experts and their
climate models have done an abysmal job at predicting global
temperatures. This spectacular prediction failure has led to even
greater failures for predictions of multiple climate attributes,
including global sea levels.

A new study has analyzed the sea level prediction capabilities of
Australian government experts and found extreme prediction failure,
which is another resounding testament to the gigantic waste of climate
research billions over the last few decades.

600 Separator Line
"In view of the data presented, we believe that we are justified to draw
the following conclusions:

(1) The official Australian claim of a present sea level rise in the
order of 5.4mm/year is significantly exaggerated

(2) The mean sea level rise from Australian tide gauges as well as
global tide gauge networks is to be found within the sector of rates
ranging from 0.1 to 1.5 mm/year

(3) The claim of a recent acceleration in the rate of sea level rise
cannot be validated by tide gauge records, either in Australia or
globally. Rather, it seems strongly contradicted

The practical implication of our conclusions is that there, in fact, is
no reason either to fear or to prepare for any disastrous sea level
flooding in the near future." [Nils-Axel Morner, Albert Parker 2013:
Environmental Science]

Conclusions:

1. Expert climate model predictions of catastrophic accelerating sea
level increases are wildly wrong

2. CO2-centric climate models that focus almost entirely on the impact
of human trace emissions of greenhouse gases produce erroneous and
unreliable predictions for policymakers

3. The IPCC and large government computer climate models can't predict squat

Note: Chart has 36-month average HadCRUT4 global temperature curve (#7
maroon) superimposed.

The Urt and Rudy Show

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:34:15 PM4/30/16
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On 4/30/2016 3:30 PM, FPP wrote:
> Oh... I get it, now! "the scientists".
http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:46:10 PM4/30/16
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None of which answers my question. Who are the experts? So far, it's
not lookin' good...

> One of the most effective techniques by which deniers persuade people,
> especially policymakers, that it’s OK to do nothing about man-made
> climate change, is also one of the most reprehensible. To whit: just
> make up stuff.
>
>
> A prime example is a paper about sea level rise by Albert Parker, M.
> Saad Saleema, and M. Lawson (2013, Sea-level trend analysis for coastal
> management, Ocean & Coastal Management, 73 63-81). You may recall
> Parker as one of those who submitted a comment criticizing perfecly
> valid research by Shepard et al. (we dissected another of his
> travesties here). You may even recall that he submitted two comments
> about that paper under different names. You see, Albert Parker also
> goes by the name Alberto Boretti. What do you think — is it
> reprehensible to play games with names just so you can get two comments
> published as though they were from independent sources? I think so.
>
> But Parker et al’s 2013 paper absolutely takes the cake, because it’s a
> prime example of making stuff up. They got caught, which is why one of
> the authors (M. Lawson) has disavowed the paper and claimed his
> contribution was almost nil, certainly negligible. In other words, he
> threw his co-authors under the bus.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/making-up-stuff/

Until I know who I'm reading are credible, why should I waste my time
on anonymous crackpots?
That's what Usenet is for!
--
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who
are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Twain

FPP

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:46:41 PM4/30/16
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Repeating bullshit doesn't make it smell any better...
--
Professionals built the TITANIC. Amateurs built the ARK. Idiots believe this.

moviePig

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Apr 30, 2016, 5:46:58 PM4/30/16
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For the most part, there's usually very little real expertise to
dispense, so the sage analysis is little more than 20-20 hindsight.

(Ted Williams would probably tell you, "First, be Ted Williams...")

The Urt and Rudy Show

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Apr 30, 2016, 6:52:43 PM4/30/16
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Do read the website and illumine yourself, toad.

The "experts" are the alleged scientists.

>> One of the most effective techniques by which deniers persuade people,
>> especially policymakers, that it’s OK to do nothing about man-made
>> climate change, is also one of the most reprehensible. To whit: just
>> make up stuff.
>>
>>
>> A prime example is a paper about sea level rise by Albert Parker, M.
>> Saad Saleema, and M. Lawson (2013, Sea-level trend analysis for
>> coastal management, Ocean & Coastal Management, 73 63-81). You may
>> recall Parker as one of those who submitted a comment criticizing
>> perfecly valid research by Shepard et al. (we dissected another of his
>> travesties here). You may even recall that he submitted two comments
>> about that paper under different names. You see, Albert Parker also
>> goes by the name Alberto Boretti. What do you think — is it
>> reprehensible to play games with names just so you can get two
>> comments published as though they were from independent sources? I
>> think so.
>>
>> But Parker et al’s 2013 paper absolutely takes the cake, because it’s
>> a prime example of making stuff up. They got caught, which is why one
>> of the authors (M. Lawson) has disavowed the paper and claimed his
>> contribution was almost nil, certainly negligible. In other words, he
>> threw his co-authors under the bus.
>
> https://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/making-up-stuff/
>
> Until I know who I'm reading are credible, why should I waste my time on
> anonymous crackpots?
> That's what Usenet is for!

So you have a nominal use, ok.

The Urt and Rudy Show

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On 4/30/2016 3:46 PM, FPP wrote:
Denying reality will not make it true.

Bob

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Apr 30, 2016, 7:16:49 PM4/30/16
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Does climate change exist? Of course; always has, always will.

Does human activity affect climate change? Of course; as do trees,
turtles and turnips.

How much climate change is affected by humans? Unknown.

FPP

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No... but you're giving it your best shot.
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it. -Hackett

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Have the seas risen and taken out Micronesia yet?

No?

You moron.

ESAD

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Are sea floors rising due to tsunamis, are under sea volcanoes rising,
are tons of space dust falling in the ocean every hour... is the Sahara
Desert ending up in the ocean?

Is all that raising the sea level by displacing water.

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That's Karma





*Rumination*
#41 - You have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill. -Pelosi/ism-

FPP

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Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?

> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
> thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their bags as
> their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
> rising sea. These are the facts of life: The Earth is warming, sea
> levels are rising, and Tuvalu is quietly being erased from the surface
> of the Earth.

So, to correct your answer: "Yes." (I'm sure you're used to this type
of thing, by now.)
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And OVERSOLD!

Rudy Canoza

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On 5/1/2016 9:55 AM, The Urt and Rudy Show wrote:
> On 4/30/2016 5:16 PM, Bob wrote:
>> On 4/30/2016 4:46 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 2016-04-30 21:33:22 +0000, The Urt and Rudy Show <ba...@edmond.okc>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> On 4/30/2016 3:28 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-04-30 21:18:27 +0000, The Urt and Rudy Show <ba...@edmond.okc>
>>>>> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/30/2016 3:01 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2016-04-30 16:12:49 +0000, rally2xs <rall...@att.net> said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The watchword, then, is relax. Things are going to happen as they
>>>>>>>> need to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best thing about the scheme is that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kinda appropriate that you end your post on a half thought...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just sayin'...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now start learning:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/
>>>>>
>>>>> And what are their credentials, pray tell?
>>>>
>>>> Read the research, fool:
>>>>
>>>> eality Wake-Up Call: Climate "Experts" Sea Level Prediction Found To
>>>> Be Wildly Wrong

False.

BTR1701

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May 1, 2016, 1:02:17 PM5/1/16
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In article <ng46n0$5ri$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?
>
> > It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
> > thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their bags as
> > their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
> > rising sea.

Tuvalu and Vanuatu and the like have been emerging from and submerging
into the ocean for millions of years. It's a regular thing. It's nature
at work. Just because it's inconveniencing people this time around does
not mean the sky is falling, Chicken Little.

It's just what happens when you build your tiny country on an island
that regularly is engulfed by the ocean.

The Urt and Rudy Show

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Well...now that you ask....

;-)

The Urt and Rudy Show

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On 5/1/2016 10:59 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> Sea Level Prediction Found To
>>>>> Be Wildly Wrong
>
> False.
>

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/04/the-pause-lengthens-yet-again/

The Pause lengthens yet again

A new record Pause length: no warming for 18 years 8 months

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

One-third of Man’s entire influence on climate since the Industrial
Revolution has occurred since January 1997. Yet for 224 months since
then there has been no global warming at all (Fig. 1). With this month’s
RSS temperature record, the Pause sets a new record at 18 years 8 months.

Figure T10. Energy budget diagram for the Earth from Stephens et al. (2012)

In short, most of the forcing predicted by the IPCC is either an
exaggeration or has already resulted in whatever temperature change it
was going to cause. There is little global warming in the pipeline as a
result of our past and present sins of emission.

It is also possible that the IPCC and the models have relentlessly
exaggerated climate sensitivity. One recent paper on this question is
Monckton of Brenchley et al. (2015), which found climate sensitivity to
be in the region of 1 Cº per CO2 doubling (go to scibull.com and click
“Most Read Articles”). The paper identified errors in the models’
treatment of temperature feedbacks and their amplification, which
account for two-thirds of the equilibrium warming predicted by the IPCC.

Professor Ray Bates gave a paper in Moscow in summer 2015 in which he
concluded, based on the analysis by Lindzen & Choi (2009, 2011) (Fig.
T10), that temperature feedbacks are net-negative. Accordingly, he
supports the conclusion both by Lindzen & Choi (1990) (Fig. T11) and by
Spencer & Braswell (2010, 2011) that climate sensitivity is below – and
perhaps considerably below – 1 Cº per CO2 doubling.

A growing body of reviewed papers find climate sensitivity considerably
below the 3 [1.5, 4.5] Cº per CO2 doubling that was first put forward in
the Charney Report of 1979 for the U.S. National Academy of Sciences,
and is still the IPCC’s best estimate today.

On the evidence to date, therefore, there is no scientific basis for
taking any action at all to mitigate CO2 emissions.

Finally, how long will it be before the Freedom Clock (Fig. T11) reaches
20 years without any global warming? If it does, the climate scare will
become unsustainable.


The Urt and Rudy Show

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http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/

Climate Science Fraud? Fabricating Higher Sea Levels & Acceleration By
'Cooking-The-Books'

Corrupt climate science - fabricating rising sea level acceleration
cooking satellite empirical evidenceThe fabrication-fraud-like technique
of increasing both regional and global warming has many examples,
including several that 'C3' has addressed.

It's no surprise then that scientists are also fabricating a faster rate
of sea level increase along with higher sea levels.

Basically, this HockeySchtick article reveals that taxpayer funded
scientists are literally figuratively cooking-the-books using satellite
altimeter data. The accompanying sea level chart depicts the extent of
the fabrication-bogosity.

This revelation of (acceptable?) "climate science" at University of
Colorado just provides more proof that government supported scientists
in climate research should not be trusted, primarily due their clear cut
affection for agenda-science.

With climate science, being a skeptic and cynic is proving to be the
best approach.

Although science fraud-like-bogosity appears to dominate climate
research, the activity of bogus science is not an exclusive to climate
science, unfortunately.

>> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific.

No it's not, you LIE!

Remember When The IPCC's Climate Experts Predicted Pacific Islands Would
Disappear Due To Global Warming

As always, the UN and its elite climate "science" agency are abysmally
wrong ... once again ... failed predictions seem to be the preferred
coin of the IPCC realm ... begs the question: will the IPCC even achieve
10% of their catastrophic global warming predictions being correct over
the next few decades? ... highly unlikely, due to its political agenda
and the absurd reliance on climate models that simply don't work as
advertised.....
Funafuti atoll pacific ocean global warming sea rise 051215
(click on image to enlarge)
Per this article, the catastrophic sea rise predictions of CAGW
proponents are found to be without any merit.

The new study examined 118 years of empirical evidence and discovered
that small Pacific islands are not disappearing under the waves of a
rising ocean. Instead, the tiny atoll islands are actually growing larger.

It's another climate change 'Ooopsie'.

trotsky

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On 5/1/16 12:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ng46n0$5ri$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?
>>
>>> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
>>> thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their bags as
>>> their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
>>> rising sea.
>
> Tuvalu and Vanuatu and the like have been emerging from and submerging
> into the ocean for millions of years. It's a regular thing.


Cite?

FPP

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On 2016-05-01 17:30:33 +0000, The Urt and Rudy Show <ba...@edmond.okc> said:

> https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/04/the-pause-lengthens-yet-again/
>
> The Pause lengthens yet again
>
> A new record Pause length: no warming for 18 years 8 months


What a fucking moron!
-----

> Noaa: 2013 tied for fourth-warmest year on record

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/21/noaa-2013-fourth-warmest-year-on-record

-----

NASA,

> NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/january/nasa-determines-2014-warmest-year-in-modern-record.

-----

2015

> Is Officially the Hottest Year on Record
> 2015 was one for the record books, says the World Meteorological Organization

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/2015-is-officially-the-hottest-year-on-record/

-----

2015

> shatters record for warmest year globally by largest margin yet

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/2015-shatters-warmest-year-on-record-global-temperature-noaa-nasa/54892807

-----

2015

> is warmest year on record, NOAA and NASA say

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/20/us/noaa-2015-warmest-year/

--
"Don't Believe Everything You Read on the Internet" -Albert Einstein

FPP

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May 1, 2016, 4:12:46 PM5/1/16
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To sum up your point: "It's turtles, all the way down!"

That's what people say when they don't have any facts and citations to
back up their statement.
How does just saying something make it true?

i.e.: "The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a
giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying,
"What is the tortoise standing on?"

"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But
it's turtles all the way down!"

Indeed, it is!
--
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite
you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man." -Twain

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May 1, 2016, 4:37:41 PM5/1/16
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Need help again, dummy?

http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/

Remember When The IPCC's Climate Experts Predicted Pacific Islands Would
Disappear Due To Global Warming

As always, the UN and its elite climate "science" agency are abysmally
wrong ... once again ... failed predictions seem to be the preferred
coin of the IPCC realm ... begs the question: will the IPCC even achieve
10% of their catastrophic global warming predictions being correct over
the next few decades? ... highly unlikely, due to its political agenda
and the absurd reliance on climate models that simply don't work as
advertised.....
Funafuti atoll pacific ocean global warming sea rise 051215
(click on image to enlarge)
Per this article, the catastrophic sea rise predictions of CAGW
proponents are found to be without any merit.

The new study examined 118 years of empirical evidence and discovered
that small Pacific islands are not disappearing under the waves of a
rising ocean. Instead, the tiny atoll islands are actually growing larger.

It's another climate change 'Ooopsie'.

IPCC Climate Change: The Bogus Claims of Catastrophic Sea Level Rise,
Pacific Ocean Edition

Bogus claims of catastrophic disasters dominate the IPCC climate change
reports - extreme exaggerations of sea level rise affecting Pacific
islands is common but without any scientific merit
(click on image to enlarge, image source)

Ipcc climate change sea level rise pacific tarawaRead here. The United
Nation's IPCC has been extremely open about their perversion of climate
science and how the political agenda rules the roost (the UN's Rio
conference being the next).

A key means to manipulate the world's policymakers and the public is to
wildly exaggerate potential catastrophic disasters inferring a high
likelihood. A favorite IPCC "disaster" is the rising seas caused by
human CO2 emissions. A rise so high that will consume low-lying tropical
islands and their cultures. But does that "looming" disaster have real
merit?

Nope. Coastal tide gauges from around the world, documented in study
after study, show that the current sea level rise is very modest and
might reach a measly 3 to 7 inches by 2100.

But what about the vulnerable natives of Pacific island atolls? A recent
peer reviewed article describes the situation of Tarawa of the Gilbert
Islands.

"These common images of flooded homes and waves crashing across the
causeways—collected during an anomalous event on islets susceptible to
flooding due in part to local modifications to the environment—can
provide the false impression that Tarawa is subject to constant flooding
because of sea level rise...Many individual observations of erosion,
flooding, or groundwater salinization, recorded in community
consultations for internationally funded climate change adaptation
programs, are thus attributed to climate change without scientific
analysis...These events are presented as examples of climate change
impacts in promotional materials and at international events...The
failure to consider the contribution of natural variability and direct
human modifications can lead to misattribution of flooding events or
shoreline changes to sea level rise...Instead of incorrectly attributing
individual flood events or shoreline changes to global sea level rise,
scientists and climate communicators can use such occurrences to educate
the public about the various natural and human processes that affect sea
level, the shoreline, and the shape of islands."

Conclusion: The IPCC climate change reports include wild exaggerations
about potential climate disasters. There is no empirical evidence
supporting these looming disasters from human CO2 emissions. The United
Nations promulgates these non-scientific claims as fact at UN-sponsored
conferences in order to promote their wealth redistribution political
agenda. A classic example of this misrepresentation is the fraud that
Pacific islands will be swamped by an extraordinary sea level rise,
exclusively from human CO2 emissions.


Tide Gauge Station Data Analysis: Global Sea Level Rise Not Expected To
Exceed 7 Inches By 2100 AD

When determining the rate of global sea level rise, the best method is
to conduct a tide gauge station data analysis - latest analysis reveals
claims of "accelerating" sea level rise to be totally bogus
(click on images to enlarge, source of images)

Global sea level rise tide gauge station data analysis annualGlobal sea
level rise tide gauge station data analysis 10yr avg

Read here. Multiple "scientific" personalities seeking fame, fortune and
influence (such as the likes of Hansen, Cullen and Rahmstorf) have
attempted to frighten the public and policymakers by stating that global
warming was causing an acceleration of global sea level rise. Depending
on the given personality, they predict that recent "acceleration" will
cause sea levels to increase anywhere from 4 feet to 75 feet by 2100.

Empirically speaking, these "predictions" are utter nonsense with
literally no facutal basis - and, btw, that's why exceptionally lazy
and/or amazingly stupid NY Times and Washington Post "journalists" just
love these hysterical claims.

Per the actual tide gauge data plots shown above though, it is more than
obvious that the readers of the mainstream press have been significantly
mislead by the catastrophic global warming hucksters. The chart on the
left represents annual sea level change since 1900. The red line is the
10-year average.

One does not have to be a climate scientist to realize that this chart
unequivocally reveals a pattern of constant annual variation in sea
levels with absolutely zero acceleration.

The plot on the right, examines the 10-year average in even more more
detail. Since 1900, the trend of the 10-yr average actually shows a
deceleration, not an acceleration of sea level rise. Using the 10-yr
average at the end of 2011 as the sea rise gospel, by year 2100, sea
levels would only increase by some 7 inches - not exactly the millions
of "climate refugees" type of catastrophe (another spectacularly wrong
AGW huckster prediction) that the MSM has been caught parroting without
due diligence.

Conclusion: The real world empricial evidence clearly exposes the global
warming (AGW) catastrophic hucksterism that James Hansen et al.
practice. Paul Homewood provided the above analysis of tide gauge
station data analysis, but his work is not the only research proving
that modern global sea level rise is modest and not accelerating in a
catastrophic manner.

Arc Michael

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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 10:42:30 AM UTC-7, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
> decades, slammed Bill Nye, 'the science guy' for saying that the new
> skeptical global warming film 'Climate Hustle' is "very much not in
> our national interest and the world's interest."
>
> Coleman, a meteorologist for over six decades, is featured
> introducing 'Climate Hustle' in theatres on May 2 for the one-night
> only showing. www.ClimateHustle.com
>


good post. There ( different subject) Are UK Master degrees who believe since they got such a degree, everything out of their mouths are logical realities and the rest of our world is bunk .

Here is how to understand these secrets


Michio Kaku, is a renowned 4 year or more linear calculus master. So he gets creds, right? He is on all the new science shows doing his 'theoreticals' but what is Climate Change?

It is chemistry. the carbon cycles and the contributions from all sorts of nature forces, all are factored in by chemical reactions. not math, not Phds. not saying, I have 4 decades and a Masters degree from ( Collegex).

NASA and I have global warming photos on Uranus and Saturn, photoed by our solar system robots. We know the sun affects global solar system climates, and not White Race butt farts.

u people are drunk, stupid, zombied and of course 1%er greedy liars.


"NASA Says Computer Models Wrong About Climate Change"

[[[ arc-- NASA has a world community of top notch scientists ]]] try to read and listen to them.

Allan Ramsay, Yahoo! Contributor Network
Aug 3, 2011

Computer software models running on super computers are the basis for estimates of humankind's contribution to global warming and climate change. This week NASA announced new evidence, with data gathered by the Terra Earth-orbiting satellite, that these models and the global warming forecasts they make are wrong. The projections vastly overestimate the impact of humanity's carbon footprint and its effect on climate.

http://bookoflife.org/history/journal/MJMJ_28.htm

linked, for original source.

BTR1701

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In article <ng5npb$i1a$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2016-05-01 17:04:44 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ng46n0$5ri$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?
> >>
> >>> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
> >>> thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their bags as
> >>> their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
> >>> rising sea.
> >
> > Tuvalu and Vanuatu and the like have been emerging from and submerging
> > into the ocean for millions of years. It's a regular thing. It's nature
> > at work. Just because it's inconveniencing people this time around does
> > not mean the sky is falling, Chicken Little.
> >
> > It's just what happens when you build your tiny country on an island
> > that regularly is engulfed by the ocean.
>
> To sum up your point: "It's turtles, all the way down!"

No, if you want to accurately sum up my point:

"Don't build your shit somewhere that is regularly FUBARed by nature."

FPP

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Nothing "regular" about it. That's the point. Man is accelerating the
changes.

Yes, everything will crumble into dust and die eventually... but it's a
pretty stupid idea that we should just commit suicide and get it over
with.

Your observation is like saying every baby born will die, someday - so
why not just smother it in it's crib?
--
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On 5/1/2016 4:25 PM, FPP wrote:
>
> Nothing "regular" about it. That's the point. Man is accelerating the changes.

Not for a moment:


http://www.c3headlines.com/are-oceans-rising/


EU Research Projects Less Than 3 Inch Increase of Sea Levels By 2100 -
Coastal Areas Not In Jeopardy

The EU satellite has been accurately measuring global sea levels since
late 2003. Based on those measurements, EU scientists determined that
the mean sea level increase trend was a meager 0.816 millimeters per
year, which translates into a 2.8 inch increase by year 2100.

EU Sea Levels Aug 2011This chart plots the actual satellite measurements
through August 2011, as well as concurrent monthly CO2 levels.

Despite the predictions by the professional climate alarmists at the
IPCC, the hypothesized "accelerating" global warming has not caused the
hypothesized "unequivocal" increase in mean sea levels, as the chart
clearly indicates. In fact, mean sea levels have actually decreased,
counter to all IPCC expert and climate model predictions - literally, a
stupendous scientific fail.

Although linear trends don't necessarily make for very good long-term
predictions, this empirical evidence is suggesting a far less worrisome,
non-catastrophic increase in sea levels than what the taxpayer funded
alarmist "experts" have predicted. Based on this real world data, it's
highly unlikely that major coastal regions will be impacted by the
wildly speculative higher sea levels.

Previous sea-level postings and charts; failed-prediction postings.

BTR1701

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May 1, 2016, 8:45:15 PM5/1/16
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In article <ng5vhh$gb1$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2016-05-01 22:11:46 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ng5npb$i1a$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-05-01 17:04:44 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <ng46n0$5ri$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?
> >>>>
> >>>>> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
> >>>>> thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their bags as
> >>>>> their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
> >>>>> rising sea.
> >>>
> >>> Tuvalu and Vanuatu and the like have been emerging from and submerging
> >>> into the ocean for millions of years. It's a regular thing. It's nature
> >>> at work. Just because it's inconveniencing people this time around does
> >>> not mean the sky is falling, Chicken Little.
> >>>
> >>> It's just what happens when you build your tiny country on an island
> >>> that regularly is engulfed by the ocean.
> >>
> >> To sum up your point: "It's turtles, all the way down!"
> >
> > No, if you want to accurately sum up my point:
> >
> > "Don't build your shit somewhere that is regularly FUBARed by nature."
>
> Nothing "regular" about it.

Yes, it is regular on a geologic scale. It's been happening for millions
of years.

FPP

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May 2, 2016, 2:18:44 AM5/2/16
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No. It hasn't.

It took eons for the CO2 to get to the same level it skyrocketed to in
the last century.

This isn't geologically driven. It's anthropologically driven.
--
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public. -Mencken

FPP

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May 2, 2016, 2:33:05 AM5/2/16
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Well, forgive me if I take the word of NASA over an anonymous asshole
on usenet.

They have a nice chart over at NASA. It shows that the Co2 levels for
the last 400,000 years always stayed below the 300 parts per billion
rate. 400,000 years.

And then the chart shows that after 1950, we went above the 300 PPB for
the first time, and it's been a straight line upwards from there. It's
currently increased over 30% since my birth.

So, that's 400,000 years to get to 300 PPB, but only another 66 years
to get to 400 PPB.

FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS to increase to 300 parts per billion.

TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND ** DAYS ** to get to 400 parts per billion.

Stick your head in the sand, if you like... but be sure to bury it
deep. That way, it'll take the water longer to penetrate that thick
skull of yours, when the oceans rise.
--
Bullshit is everywhere. Now, the good news is this - bullshitters have
gotten pretty lazy, and their work is easily detected.

Whenever something is titled Freedom, Fairness, Family, Health, and
America, take a good long sniff... chances are it's been manufactured
in a facility that may contain traces of bullshit.

The best defense against bullshit, is vigilance. So, if you smell
something, say something. - Jon Stewart

BTR1701

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In article <ng6s4e$m3k$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
Where's the chart that shows how often Vanuatu gets drenched regardless
of who much CO2 there is?

Rudy Canoza

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On 5/2/2016 7:12 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ng6s4e$m3k$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-05-02 00:48:40 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>
>>> In article <ng5vhh$gb1$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-05-01 22:11:46 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <ng5npb$i1a$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-05-01 17:04:44 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <ng46n0$5ri$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
>>>>>>>>> thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their bags
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
>>>>>>>>> rising sea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tuvalu and Vanuatu and the like have been emerging from and submerging
>>>>>>> into the ocean for millions of years. It's a regular thing. It's nature
>>>>>>> at work. Just because it's inconveniencing people this time around does
>>>>>>> not mean the sky is falling, Chicken Little.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just what happens when you build your tiny country on an island
>>>>>>> that regularly is engulfed by the ocean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To sum up your point: "It's turtles, all the way down!"
>>>>>
>>>>> No, if you want to accurately sum up my point:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don't build your shit somewhere that is regularly FUBARed by nature."
>>>>
>>>> Nothing "regular" about it.
>>>
>>> Yes, it is regular on a geologic scale. It's been happening for millions
>>> of years.
>>
>> Well, forgive me if I take the word of NASA over an anonymous asshole
>> on usenet.
>>
>> They have a nice chart over at NASA. It shows that the Co2 levels for
>> the last 400,000 years always stayed below the 300 parts per billion
>> rate. 400,000 years.
>
> Where's the chart that shows how often Vanuatu gets drenched regardless
> of who much CO2 there is?

Drenched but not submerged.

BTR1701

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In article <ng6r9g$jsg$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
Baloney. An eon is a half billion years. The CO2 level has been much
higher than it currently is within the last billion-plus years.

FPP

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Try Google.

FPP

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May 2, 2016, 4:08:04 PM5/2/16
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And, you're wrong again... who could have predicted THAT!

> noun
> 1. an indefinitely long period of time; age.
> 2. the largest division of geologic time, comprising two or more eras.
> 3. Astronomy. one billion years.

I gave you the citations, which were for accuracy.

It was being used figuratively. Kind if like when I call you a douchebag.
Nobody really thinks you're a feminine hygiene appliance... but it's
still perfectly acceptable to call you one.
--
Never judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. By then,
you're a mile away, you've got his shoes,and you can say whatever the
hell you want.

Davej

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On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-5, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Weather Channel Founder John Coleman, a meteorologist for over six
> decades, slammed Bill Nye, 'the science guy'


Bill Nye knows more about science than this senile meteorologist.

trotsky

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e·on
ˈēən,ˈēˌän/Submit
noun
an indefinite and very long period of time, often a period exaggerated
for humorous or rhetorical effect.
"he reached the crag eons before I arrived"
ASTRONOMY/GEOLOGY
a unit of time equal to a billion years.
GEOLOGY
a major division of geological time, subdivided into eras.


You're close, a half an eon is half a billion years. To read your posts
is to wallow in ignorance. You really should apologize for being so stupid.

trotsky

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May 2, 2016, 6:01:59 PM5/2/16
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Damn, you beat me to the punch again. Could it be that Thanny said an
eon was half a billion years because he's a half wit?

trotsky

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On 5/1/16 5:25 PM, FPP wrote:
> On 2016-05-01 22:11:46 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
>> In article <ng5npb$i1a$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-05-01 17:04:44 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>>>
>>>> In article <ng46n0$5ri$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Really? Then how is it, then, that THIS happened?
>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s too late for Tuvalu, a small island nation in the Pacific. Ten
>>>>>> thousand people, Tuvalu’s entire population, are packing their
>>>>>> bags as
>>>>>> their homes among nine low-level atolls are being swallowed by the
>>>>>> rising sea.
>>>>
>>>> Tuvalu and Vanuatu and the like have been emerging from and submerging
>>>> into the ocean for millions of years. It's a regular thing. It's nature
>>>> at work. Just because it's inconveniencing people this time around does
>>>> not mean the sky is falling, Chicken Little.
>>>>
>>>> It's just what happens when you build your tiny country on an island
>>>> that regularly is engulfed by the ocean.
>>>
>>> To sum up your point: "It's turtles, all the way down!"
>>
>> No, if you want to accurately sum up my point:
>>
>> "Don't build your shit somewhere that is regularly FUBARed by nature."
>
> Nothing "regular" about it. That's the point. Man is accelerating the
> changes.
>
> Yes, everything will crumble into dust and die eventually... but it's a
> pretty stupid idea that we should just commit suicide and get it over with.
>
> Your observation is like saying every baby born will die, someday - so
> why not just smother it in it's crib?


Thanny's probably applied that logic already.

BTR1701

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In article <ng8bsh$d55$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2016-05-02 14:14:30 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <ng6r9g$jsg$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:

> >> It took eons for the CO2 to get to the same level it skyrocketed to in
> >> the last century.
> >
> > Baloney. An eon is a half billion years. The CO2 level has been much
> > higher than it currently is within the last billion-plus years.
>
> And, you're wrong again... who could have predicted THAT!

Nope.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88475764/TimeScale.jpg

> It was being used figuratively.

Ah, so in a discussion about science, using scientific terms, you're
suddenly waxing poetic. Riiiighhhht...

BTR1701

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May 9, 2016, 8:40:11 PM5/9/16
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In article <ng8bgl$ach$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
So you admit the chart exists, then? Great! Baby steps...

FPP

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May 10, 2016, 12:06:36 AM5/10/16
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The chart I referenced had EXACT numbers. Which you see fit to ignore,
over a semantic argument instead.

You're not engaging in a discussion... you're engaging in denial.
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FPP

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May 10, 2016, 12:07:10 AM5/10/16
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The word was "try"... look that up while you're at it.
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moviePig

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May 10, 2016, 9:18:46 AM5/10/16
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'Poetic'? No rhyming there, at least without 'waxing' in the ears. But
perhaps you were using those figuratively...

Meanwhile, in looking for substance to your claim, I Googled this:

http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

and am curious to know what you're (literally) referring to.

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BTR1701

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May 10, 2016, 12:38:05 PM5/10/16
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In article <5731dfb3$0$9310$c3e8da3$5d8f...@news.astraweb.com>,
moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 5/9/2016 8:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <ng8bsh$d55$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-05-02 14:14:30 +0000, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
> >>
> >>> In article <ng6r9g$jsg$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >
> >>>> It took eons for the CO2 to get to the same level it skyrocketed to in
> >>>> the last century.
> >>>
> >>> Baloney. An eon is a half billion years. The CO2 level has been much
> >>> higher than it currently is within the last billion-plus years.
> >>
> >> And, you're wrong again... who could have predicted THAT!
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88475764/TimeScale.jpg
> >
> >> It was being used figuratively.
> >
> > Ah, so in a discussion about science, using scientific terms, you're
> > suddenly waxing poetic. Riiiighhhht...
>
> 'Poetic'? No rhyming there

LOL! You're one of those cretins that thinks "It ain't a pome if it
don't rhyme!"

moviePig

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May 10, 2016, 12:54:13 PM5/10/16
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Is that like confusing 'hyperbole' with 'poetry'? ...or like insisting
that the number of eons can't be a fraction?

Stay off-off-topic if you want, but, eons ago here, I actually posed a
serious question about CO2 levels...

trotsky

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May 11, 2016, 6:41:00 PM5/11/16
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What?

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