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Ubiquitous
Sep 30, 2019, 7:10:14 AM9/30/19
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Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
As this author noted on Wednesday, any honest person who actually read
the transcript knew the "favor" (which appears on the top of page-3)
had nothing to do with the Bidens:
_I would like you to do us a favor_ though because out country
has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. _I
would like you to find out what happened with this whole
situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike [sic]._ I guess
you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say
Ukraine has it.
In the midst of her Thursday report on ABC's World News Tonight,
gushing about the actions of the anonymous whistleblower behind the
complaint, senior congressional correspondent Mary Bruce proclaimed:
Just yesterday, the White House released the transcript of
that call and it showed _President Trump asked the Ukrainian
president `to do us a favor' and later urged him to investigate
his political rival, Joe Biden_.
Meanwhile, on CBS Evening News, chief congressional correspondent Nancy
Cordes peddled a similar distortion:
The phone call in question took place on July 25, just after
Mr. Trump unexpectedly froze millions in Ukraine aid.
According to a summary of the call released yesterday by the
White House, _Mr. Trump asked the president of Ukraine for a
favor, to look into campaign rival Joe Biden, and Biden's son
Hunter._
When someone views the transcript of the phone call, it becomes quite
clear that these two journalists were offering spin. But what made the
lies Cordes told particularly insidious, was the fact that CBS White
House correspondent Weijia Jiang had told the truth the previous
evening.
"But right after Zelensky mentions buying more American-made weapons,
_the President asks for `a favor', to investigate whether a Democratic
National Committee server that was hacked during the 2016 election
ended up in Ukraine,"_ Jiang accurately reported on Wednesday.
The transcripts are below:
CBS Evening News
September 25, 2019
6:34:43 p.m. Eastern
(.)
WEIJIA JIANG: But right after Zelensky mentions buying more American-
made weapons, the President asks for "a favor", to investigate whether
a Democratic National Committee server that was hacked during the 2016
election ended up in Ukraine.
(.)
ABC's World News Tonight
September 26, 2019
6:33:23 p.m. Eastern
(.)
MARY BRUCE: The whistleblower claims "multiple U.S. government
officials" informed him that "the President of the United States is
using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign
country in the 2020 U.S. election."
The whistleblower goes on to describe the President's phone call with
the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky. Just yesterday, the White
House released the transcript of that call and it showed President
Trump asked the Ukrainian president "to do us a favor" and later urged
him to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden.
Pressed today, the acting director acknowledged the whistleblower's
account did, in fact, match that transcript.
(.)
CBS Evening News
September 26, 2019
6:33:04 p.m. Eastern
(.)
NANCY CORDES: The phone call in question took place on July 25, just
after Mr. Trump unexpectedly froze millions in Ukraine aid. According
to a summary of the call released yesterday by the White House, Mr.
Trump asked the president of Ukraine for a favor, to look into campaign
rival Joe Biden, and Biden's son Hunter.
The whistleblower says White House officials were deeply disturbed and
were directed by White House lawyers to remove a transcript of the call
from the regular computer system; placing it, instead, in a separate
system normally reserved for classified, sensitive information. He says
aides saw this as "an abuse of the system", but that it was not the
first time they had done this to protect the president.
(.)
--
Watching Democrats come up with schemes to "catch Trump" is like
watching Wile E. Coyote trying to catch Road Runner.
Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
As this author noted on Wednesday, any honest person who actually read
the transcript knew the "favor" (which appears on the top of page-3)
had nothing to do with the Bidens:
_I would like you to do us a favor_ though because out country
has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. _I
would like you to find out what happened with this whole
situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike [sic]._ I guess
you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say
Ukraine has it.
In the midst of her Thursday report on ABC's World News Tonight,
gushing about the actions of the anonymous whistleblower behind the
complaint, senior congressional correspondent Mary Bruce proclaimed:
Just yesterday, the White House released the transcript of
that call and it showed _President Trump asked the Ukrainian
president `to do us a favor' and later urged him to investigate
his political rival, Joe Biden_.
Meanwhile, on CBS Evening News, chief congressional correspondent Nancy
Cordes peddled a similar distortion:
The phone call in question took place on July 25, just after
Mr. Trump unexpectedly froze millions in Ukraine aid.
According to a summary of the call released yesterday by the
White House, _Mr. Trump asked the president of Ukraine for a
favor, to look into campaign rival Joe Biden, and Biden's son
Hunter._
When someone views the transcript of the phone call, it becomes quite
clear that these two journalists were offering spin. But what made the
lies Cordes told particularly insidious, was the fact that CBS White
House correspondent Weijia Jiang had told the truth the previous
evening.
"But right after Zelensky mentions buying more American-made weapons,
_the President asks for `a favor', to investigate whether a Democratic
National Committee server that was hacked during the 2016 election
ended up in Ukraine,"_ Jiang accurately reported on Wednesday.
The transcripts are below:
CBS Evening News
September 25, 2019
6:34:43 p.m. Eastern
(.)
WEIJIA JIANG: But right after Zelensky mentions buying more American-
made weapons, the President asks for "a favor", to investigate whether
a Democratic National Committee server that was hacked during the 2016
election ended up in Ukraine.
(.)
ABC's World News Tonight
September 26, 2019
6:33:23 p.m. Eastern
(.)
MARY BRUCE: The whistleblower claims "multiple U.S. government
officials" informed him that "the President of the United States is
using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign
country in the 2020 U.S. election."
The whistleblower goes on to describe the President's phone call with
the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky. Just yesterday, the White
House released the transcript of that call and it showed President
Trump asked the Ukrainian president "to do us a favor" and later urged
him to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden.
Pressed today, the acting director acknowledged the whistleblower's
account did, in fact, match that transcript.
(.)
CBS Evening News
September 26, 2019
6:33:04 p.m. Eastern
(.)
NANCY CORDES: The phone call in question took place on July 25, just
after Mr. Trump unexpectedly froze millions in Ukraine aid. According
to a summary of the call released yesterday by the White House, Mr.
Trump asked the president of Ukraine for a favor, to look into campaign
rival Joe Biden, and Biden's son Hunter.
The whistleblower says White House officials were deeply disturbed and
were directed by White House lawyers to remove a transcript of the call
from the regular computer system; placing it, instead, in a separate
system normally reserved for classified, sensitive information. He says
aides saw this as "an abuse of the system", but that it was not the
first time they had done this to protect the president.
(.)
--
Watching Democrats come up with schemes to "catch Trump" is like
watching Wile E. Coyote trying to catch Road Runner.
FPP
Sep 30, 2019, 7:36:40 AM9/30/19
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On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
And number two was the Bidens:
"The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden
stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that
so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden
went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look
into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
So, yes, Trump asked a favor of Zelensky, and it included smearing the
Bidens.
--
"You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all
so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe
you." - Donald J. Trump
(To Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes in response to the question of why he
attacks the press so often.)
NoBody
Oct 1, 2019, 7:46:54 AM10/1/19
to
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 21:05:05 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:
>Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
Do we really expect any differently from the lamestream media anymore?
>
>As this author noted on Wednesday, any honest person who actually read
>the transcript knew the "favor" (which appears on the top of page-3)
>had nothing to do with the Bidens:
>
> _I would like you to do us a favor_ though because out country
> has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. _I
> would like you to find out what happened with this whole
> situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike [sic]._ I guess
> you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say
> Ukraine has it.
>
>In the midst of her Thursday report on ABC's World News Tonight,
>gushing about the actions of the anonymous whistleblower behind the
>complaint, senior congressional correspondent Mary Bruce proclaimed:
>
> Just yesterday, the White House released the transcript of
> that call and it showed _President Trump asked the Ukrainian
> president `to do us a favor' and later urged him to investigate
> his political rival, Joe Biden_.
Which is an outright lie, of course.
>
>Meanwhile, on CBS Evening News, chief congressional correspondent Nancy
>Cordes peddled a similar distortion:
>
> The phone call in question took place on July 25, just after
> Mr. Trump unexpectedly froze millions in Ukraine aid.
> According to a summary of the call released yesterday by the
> White House, _Mr. Trump asked the president of Ukraine for a
> favor, to look into campaign rival Joe Biden, and Biden's son
> Hunter._
>
>When someone views the transcript of the phone call, it becomes quite
>clear that these two journalists were offering spin. But what made the
>lies Cordes told particularly insidious, was the fact that CBS White
>House correspondent Weijia Jiang had told the truth the previous
>evening.
They are hoping Americans are too dumb to read facts for themselves.
wrote:
>Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>
>As this author noted on Wednesday, any honest person who actually read
>the transcript knew the "favor" (which appears on the top of page-3)
>had nothing to do with the Bidens:
>
> _I would like you to do us a favor_ though because out country
> has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. _I
> would like you to find out what happened with this whole
> situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike [sic]._ I guess
> you have one of your wealthy people. The server, they say
> Ukraine has it.
>
>In the midst of her Thursday report on ABC's World News Tonight,
>gushing about the actions of the anonymous whistleblower behind the
>complaint, senior congressional correspondent Mary Bruce proclaimed:
>
> Just yesterday, the White House released the transcript of
> that call and it showed _President Trump asked the Ukrainian
> president `to do us a favor' and later urged him to investigate
> his political rival, Joe Biden_.
>
>Meanwhile, on CBS Evening News, chief congressional correspondent Nancy
>Cordes peddled a similar distortion:
>
> The phone call in question took place on July 25, just after
> Mr. Trump unexpectedly froze millions in Ukraine aid.
> According to a summary of the call released yesterday by the
> White House, _Mr. Trump asked the president of Ukraine for a
> favor, to look into campaign rival Joe Biden, and Biden's son
> Hunter._
>
>When someone views the transcript of the phone call, it becomes quite
>clear that these two journalists were offering spin. But what made the
>lies Cordes told particularly insidious, was the fact that CBS White
>House correspondent Weijia Jiang had told the truth the previous
>evening.
NoBody
Oct 1, 2019, 7:48:45 AM10/1/19
to
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:36:36 -0400, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>
>Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
>
>One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
>hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
Debunked by whom.
>On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>
>Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
>
>One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
>hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
>
>And number two was the Bidens:
>
>"The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden
>stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that
>went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look
>into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
>
He is asking about what Biden himself bragged of doing. Where's your
>into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
>
outrage about that?
>So, yes, Trump asked a favor of Zelensky, and it included smearing the
>Bidens.
moviePig
Oct 1, 2019, 11:06:00 AM10/1/19
to
On 10/1/2019 7:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:36:36 -0400, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>>> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>>> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>>> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>>> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>>> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>>> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>>
>> Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
>>
>> One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
>> hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
>
> Debunked by whom.
Who cares, as as long as it was debunked.
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:36:36 -0400, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>>> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>>> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>>> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>>> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>>> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>>> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>>
>> Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
>>
>> One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
>> hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
>
> Debunked by whom.
>> And number two was the Bidens:
>>
>> "The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden
>> stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that
>> so whatever you can do with the Attorne y General would be great. Biden
>> went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look
>> into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
>>
>
> He is asking about what Biden himself bragged of doing. Where's your
> outrage about that?
>> So, yes, Trump asked a favor of Zelensky, and it included smearing the
>> Bidens.
>
> Looks like FPP can add "inability to read" to his huge list of flaws.
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FPP
Oct 1, 2019, 6:01:59 PM10/1/19
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that was committed. (Except his.)
Trump keeps talking about "corruption"... but can't point to a single
instance where corruption occurred. (Except his.)
Trump keeps talking about "treason"... but the only person who is
talking to Russian spies and giving away classified information is Trump
himself.
And his party remains silent and subservient throughout it all.
That's the Republican party in a nutshell.
NoBody
Oct 2, 2019, 7:59:11 AM10/2/19
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 11:05:56 -0400, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
wrote:
>On 10/1/2019 7:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:36:36 -0400, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>>>> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>>>> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>>>> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>>>> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>>>> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>>>> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>>>
>>> Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
>>>
>>> One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
>>> hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
>>
>> Debunked by whom.
>
>Who cares, as as long as it was debunked.
>
If you're going to claim something was debunked, you should be able to
show by whom and how. I'm guessing you can't or you wouldn't have
relied on weasle words.
>
>>> And number two was the Bidens:
>>>
>>> "The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden
>>> stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that
>>> so whatever you can do with the Attorne y General would be great. Biden
>>> went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look
>>> into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
>>>
>>
>> He is asking about what Biden himself bragged of doing. Where's your
>> outrage about that?
>
>Where's your quote of Biden's "bragging"?
Don't read much I see. It's understandable given that the press
isn't interested in covering the story. Here's an excerpt of a
transcript"
"JB: Well, I was, not I, but it just happened to be that was the
assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I
remember going over convincing our team, our, others to convincing
that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, try
to guess the 12th, 13th time to Kiev, and I was going to, supposed to
announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I
had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they
would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn’t. So
they said they had, they were walking out to a press conference, and I
said no, I said I’m not going to, we’re not going to give you the
billion dollars. They said you have no authority. You’re not the
president. The president said. I said call him. I said I’m telling
you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said you’re not getting
the billion, and I’m going to be leaving here, and I think it was
what, six hours. I looked. I said I’m leaving in six hours. If the
prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a
bitch. He got fired."
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/09/23/biden-2018-youre-damn-right-ordered-us-aid-money-code-red-ukraine-prosecutor-going-sons-company/
>
>
>>> So, yes, Trump asked a favor of Zelensky, and it included smearing the
>>> Bidens.
>>
>> Looks like FPP can add "inability to read" to his huge list of flaws.
>
>Yeah, super congrats on yet another "debate win"...
Given that you've proven to be so little of a challenge, I understand
why you give up in advance.
wrote:
>On 10/1/2019 7:48 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:36:36 -0400, FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/27/19 9:05 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>> Seemingly following in the misleading footsteps of CNN host Wolf
>>>> Blitzer and chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, the Thursday
>>>> evening reports on ABC and CBS lied about the contents of the phone
>>>> call transcript between President Trump and Ukrainian President
>>>> Volodymyr Zelensky. Both broadcast news outlets misinformed their
>>>> viewers and claimed the "favor" Trump asked of Zelensky was to
>>>> investigate Joe and Hunter Biden, that was not the case.
>>>
>>> Yes it was. Trump listed TWO things he wanted from Zelensky.
>>>
>>> One was the debunked whack-a-doodle idea that the DNC's server was
>>> hacked by Ukraine, and is still in the country.
>>
>> Debunked by whom.
>
>Who cares, as as long as it was debunked.
>
show by whom and how. I'm guessing you can't or you wouldn't have
relied on weasle words.
>
>>> And number two was the Bidens:
>>>
>>> "The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden
>>> stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that
>>> so whatever you can do with the Attorne y General would be great. Biden
>>> went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look
>>> into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
>>>
>>
>> He is asking about what Biden himself bragged of doing. Where's your
>> outrage about that?
>
>Where's your quote of Biden's "bragging"?
isn't interested in covering the story. Here's an excerpt of a
transcript"
"JB: Well, I was, not I, but it just happened to be that was the
assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I
remember going over convincing our team, our, others to convincing
that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, try
to guess the 12th, 13th time to Kiev, and I was going to, supposed to
announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I
had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they
would take action against the state prosecutor, and they didn’t. So
they said they had, they were walking out to a press conference, and I
said no, I said I’m not going to, we’re not going to give you the
billion dollars. They said you have no authority. You’re not the
president. The president said. I said call him. I said I’m telling
you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said you’re not getting
the billion, and I’m going to be leaving here, and I think it was
what, six hours. I looked. I said I’m leaving in six hours. If the
prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a
bitch. He got fired."
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/09/23/biden-2018-youre-damn-right-ordered-us-aid-money-code-red-ukraine-prosecutor-going-sons-company/
>
>
>>> So, yes, Trump asked a favor of Zelensky, and it included smearing the
>>> Bidens.
>>
>> Looks like FPP can add "inability to read" to his huge list of flaws.
>
>Yeah, super congrats on yet another "debate win"...
why you give up in advance.
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