Re: What the Bible says about Christians

[Kaptain Krunch]

In article <nh4vb9$9f3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
David Hartung <hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote:

> The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity is a
> made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion claiming that their
> words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky pixie who magically created
> everything in 6 days but hasn't shown himself since.
>
INFLAMMATORY language means you have been drinking. If it is all
bullshit why are you bringing it up? Does God (skypixer) disagree with
you? So put down the Bud Light and tell us:
>
Who should we believe? You or God? "God so loved the world that he
gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish but have everlasting life" (John 3 KJV)
Jimbo
BTW: Where do you find a record of a beard??

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[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:27:35 -0400, David Hartung

<hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote:

>The Bible says nothing about Christians

Maybe you should read it. It says plenty.

Oh.

"Reading." I forgot.

Maybe you should have someone read it to you.

[chuckle]

[Your Name]

In article <l0lcjbh9eqoa8a6pt...@4ax.com>, Klaus

That would be fitting since parents do often read their kids fairy
tales at bedtime. :-p

[RD Sandman]

David Hartung <hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote in
news:nh4vb9$9f3$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

> The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity
> is a made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion
> claiming that their words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky
> pixie who magically created everything in 6 days but hasn't shown
> himself since.
>

You probably should look up what Christianity is before expounding on it.
The definition of Christianity is the belief that Jesus was the son of God.
If you don't believe that he is (or was) you are not a Christian.

Def: A montheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old
Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and
emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

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On Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 1:14:34 PM UTC-4, RD Sandman wrote:
> David Hartung <hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote in
> news:nh4vb9$9f3$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>
> > The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity
> > is a made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion
> > claiming that their words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky
> > pixie who magically created everything in 6 days but hasn't shown
> > himself since.
>
> You probably should look up what Christianity is before expounding on it.
> The definition of Christianity is the belief that Jesus was the son of God.
> If you don't believe that he is (or was) you are not a Christian.
>
> Def: A montheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old
> Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and
> emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

This is probably the worse thing that the bible says about Christians: "It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves. - Luke 19:46

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sat, 14 May 2016 12:14:31 -0500, RD Sandman <rdsa...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>David Hartung <hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote in
>news:nh4vb9$9f3$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity
>> is a made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion
>> claiming that their words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky
>> pixie who magically created everything in 6 days but hasn't shown
>> himself since.
>>
>
>You probably should look up what Christianity is before expounding on it.
>The definition of Christianity is the belief that Jesus was the son of God.
>If you don't believe that he is (or was) you are not a Christian.
>
>Def: A montheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old
>Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and
>emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

The basic definition of an atheist is someone who's thought process
does not go beyond that of a child hiding behind a post with their
eyes closed -"I can't see you so you can't see me".

If they say there is no God - there is no God - so they are totally
free of the consequenses of sin, which does not exist to them..

Their understanding of the world is so superior to that of anyone who
believes in God that they don't have to even think about - much less
have any idea about, what others believe.

Atheism is the polar opposite of Monotheism - it is basically a
combination of Pantheism and schizophrenia, mixed with a bit of
Clinical narcissism which convinces them they are their own Gods.
There is no higher power over them than themselves.
In it's extreme form it approaches sociopathy in it's clinical
manifestation.

[Jai Pastafari]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote :

> Atheism is the polar opposite of Monotheism - it is basically a
> combination of Pantheism and schizophrenia, mixed with a bit of
> Clinical narcissism which convinces them they are their own Gods.
> There is no higher power over them than themselves.
> In it's extreme form it approaches sociopathy in it's clinical
> manifestation.

Anybody who doesn't believe in a magical sky fairy is an insane schizophrenic.

That's why I'm a Pastafarian. At least I have a God to pray to and serve.

But unlike the Shia-pet Islamics and the Sunni Days ones, or the Catholic
Christians versus the Protestants, there has yet to be a religious war versus
the whole wheat Pastafarians and the ones who perfer the version made with
bleached white flour like Marco Polo imported to Italy from Asia.

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Why do mentally deficient Canadian leftists believe that any
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You'd think they'd be so busy turning Canada into a third world toilet
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[whoyak...@gmail.com]

Man, that is some stupid shit you wrote right there. There's no
critical thinking, but all sorts of logical fallacy. In total,
basically nothing more than religious racism. And holy crap doctor,
heal thyself. I used to think you were smarter than that. Oh well.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

I was just letting the vocal atheists on the group see how silly
they look.

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

No.

Here's a little story you might be able to relate to. When the first
Rob Ford crack smoking news broke, a guy from Rob's hood told me that
he would never believe it until he saw the video for himself. Guess
how much video he has of his sky daddy.

A truly logical and intelligent person would never be so gullible to
fall for religion. But a mostly logical and intelligent person who did
fall for religion would simply admit that yes, he is gullible, but for
whatever reason, wants to believe anyway. What you did by trying to
pin the blame for your lack of reason on anyone who refuses to
believer, is downright stupid. That's a fact, and no matter how much
more you write on the subject, that fact will remain.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sat, 14 May 2016 19:27:44 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>Here's a little story you might be able to relate to. When the first
>Rob Ford crack smoking news broke, a guy from Rob's hood told me that
>he would never believe it until he saw the video for himself. Guess
>how much video he has of his sky daddy.
>
>A truly logical and intelligent person would never be so gullible to
>fall for religion. But a mostly logical and intelligent person who did
>fall for religion would simply admit that yes, he is gullible, but for
>whatever reason, wants to believe anyway. What you did by trying to
>pin the blame for your lack of reason on anyone who refuses to
>believer, is downright stupid. That's a fact, and no matter how much
>more you write on the subject, that fact will remain.

I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
Or anyone who believes it is necessary to deny the existance of a god
in order to be a "rational" scientist., or a "REAL" scientist. or to
believe science has proven the source of life on earth, or even to
believe Charles Darwin was an Atheist.

[Your Name]

In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,

<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.

<snip>

There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
wrote:

There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).

The "shroud" hasnt been proven a fake either.

But hey...its your religion..believe as you wish.

Gunner

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 00:25:29 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2016 19:27:44 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>Here's a little story you might be able to relate to. When the first
>>Rob Ford crack smoking news broke, a guy from Rob's hood told me that
>>he would never believe it until he saw the video for himself. Guess
>>how much video he has of his sky daddy.
>>
>>A truly logical and intelligent person would never be so gullible to
>>fall for religion. But a mostly logical and intelligent person who did
>>fall for religion would simply admit that yes, he is gullible, but for
>>whatever reason, wants to believe anyway. What you did by trying to
>>pin the blame for your lack of reason on anyone who refuses to
>>believer, is downright stupid. That's a fact, and no matter how much
>>more you write on the subject, that fact will remain.

> I may be gullible

There is no "may" about it. You ignore reason in service to your cult.
And you defend that by accusing anyone not in your cult, of a lack of
reason.

>to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.

So a person who believes there is no Santa Claus, is gullible for not
believing in Santa Clause because he cannot prove there is no Santa
Claus. LOL

>Or anyone who believes it is necessary to deny the existance of a god
>in order to be a "rational" scientist., or a "REAL" scientist. or to
>believe science has proven the source of life on earth, or even to
>believe Charles Darwin was an Atheist.

Man, you are in full denial of your tunnel vision. What a waste.

[Mitchell Holman]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:s2egjbhoa7bdv51f7...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>><snip>
>>
>>There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>
> There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).
>

Or a Tooth Fairy, or the Great Pumpkin,
or an Illuminati conspiracy. You can have
all sort of fun demanding proof of a negative.

> The "shroud" hasnt been proven a fake either.
>

"In 1998, the shroud was carbon dated to the end of
the 13th century, lending support to those who say
it is a medieval forgery."
http://tinyurl.com/obpfulb

[RogerN]

>"Your Name" wrote in message
>news:150520161814342819%Your...@YourISP.com...

Are you just trying to stir stuff or do you believe what you wrote? There
are loads of biblical artifacts, skeptics have been proven wrong by
archeology multiple times. Not sure if you are that uninformed or just a
troll.

RogerN

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
wrote:

Conversely, there is no proof there IS no God - and more proof the
historic jesus existed than proof he did not.
There is no proof he was who his later followers claim he was (other
than his own words) but certainly no proof he was not.

There is a lot of "stuff" that has "stuck to" christianity over the
centuries - some of which is as you describe. There is no proof the
shroud is what it is purported to be, and much closer to proof that it
is not - and most scientists - both Christion and secular have a
"healthy scepticism" about it's veracity. The Catholic church (as well
as many other groups) have been very guilty of "guilding the lily".

Idiom:
gild the lily
1. To adorn unnecessarily something already beautiful.

2. To make superfluous additions to what is already complete.

When the addeld gilding becomes more important than the lily itself
you have mormonism as a prime example.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 01:51:39 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The real problems start when people attempt to make religion a
science, or science a religion
Faith and Fact are not necessarilly exclusive. Either one can stand
on it's own

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Which is about as close to proof as science is likely to get.
Proving the shroud is a fake is a LONG way from proving there is no
God.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:32:39 -0700, Kick wy's ass
<ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:

>On 5/15/2016 1:51 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>
>> There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).
>

>Not something that has to be proved, fucktard.
There sure is if you are going to present it as fact.

Profanity - the attempt of a very feeble mind to express itself
forceably.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:32:39 -0700, Kick wy's ass
<ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:

>On 5/15/2016 1:51 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>
>> There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).
>

>Not something that has to be proved, fucktard.

Yes it does. There is more than enough "proof" that there may well be
god(s), so you have to disprove it.

Good luck and may Crom speed your work.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

Indeed. And they can occasionally stand together as well.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 11:22:36 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

He is both a troll and a fuckwit.

Dead certain his widdle grasp of the topic is 'all there is to
know"...he shits in his skivies and never wipes.

Gunner

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 11:22:36 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

To be 100% honest though, as a Christian, many of the so-called
"relics" of the Catholic church have a rather questionable history and
MAY fail the test of true science - and with reason.

That said - there IS a preponderance of evidence that a man called
the Christ was crucified by the Romans in Jerusalem in the rough time
period claimed as the beginning of "the common era" - at roughly the
age of 30. and that there were extra-ordinary circumstances
surrounding his life which caused an upheaval in the jewish/roman
world of the time..

There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
Talmud).

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 15:03:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>><snip>
>>
>>There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>
>
> Conversely, there is no proof there IS no God - and more proof the
>historic jesus existed than proof he did not.

So he existed. That's a long way from deity, virgin birth,
resurrection, etc. All of which is less likely than the heresy this
movie posits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth But
would any sizeable number of believers accept the premise that Jesus
was just a man? Nope. Too much invested, too hard to accept having
been deluded.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 15:03:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>When the added gilding becomes more important than the lily itself

>you have mormonism as a prime example.

Looks like I need a new keyboard. The combination od a sloppy almost
worn out keyboard and a few stiff/fat fingers is producing a few more
spelling mistakes than I would like - - -

[Rudy Canoza]

On 5/14/2016 9:25 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2016 19:27:44 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's a little story you might be able to relate to. When the first
>> Rob Ford crack smoking news broke, a guy from Rob's hood told me that
>> he would never believe it until he saw the video for himself. Guess
>> how much video he has of his sky daddy.
>>
>> A truly logical and intelligent person would never be so gullible to
>> fall for religion. But a mostly logical and intelligent person who did
>> fall for religion would simply admit that yes, he is gullible, but for
>> whatever reason, wants to believe anyway. What you did by trying to
>> pin the blame for your lack of reason on anyone who refuses to
>> believer, is downright stupid. That's a fact, and no matter how much
>> more you write on the subject, that fact will remain.
> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.

Name anyone who ever said there is "proof" there is no god.

You can't - you made that up.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

You still have no proof he wasn't, yet you represent it as FACT.

If you say "I do not believe there is a God, and I do not believe
Christ was his son, or that his death has any effect on my life' but
you are free to believe as you wish" - I respect that decision and
that belief. I have a lot of friends who are not believers. Some are
sceptics.. I respect their right to believe what they believe, and
they respect my beliefs, and I am happy to answer rheir questions to
the best of my ability when they have questions.

You don't ask questions - and you don't accept answers when they are
offered. You just want to argue to prove you are smarter than "any
idiot who believes in the tooth fairy"


So for now I'll just take Luke 9 vs 5 litterally. You are in the dust
bin.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:48:43 -0700, Kick wy's ass
<ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:

>On 5/15/2016 12:03 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>
>>
>> Conversely, there is no proof there IS no God - and more proof the
>> historic jesus existed than proof he did not.
>

>What bullshit. First of all, people who doubt the existence of god have
>no burden to "prove" that there isn't one. People who are certain there
>is one, unless they admit it's purely a matter of faith, have a burden
>of proof if they expect anyone else to take them seriously.
>
>As far as "proof" that Jesus existed, that is very much in doubt.
>
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
What you "believe" is your business.
What you state to be FACT requires proof.

I believe there is a god That's my business. I've never purported to
have incontovertible proof.

The Macaw and numerous other posters on this newsgroup have stated
with conviction "there is no God" and claim they don't believe because
science has proven there is no God.. Not sure if you are one of them
or not - but you ARE one of the very vocal deniers, who very loud and
long proclaim your mental superiority over anyone who considers the
existance of a god to be a possibility.

I have not said not believing in god makes you any more or less
intelligent than those who do - but I HAVE said, and I will stand by
my belief, that anyone who claims to KNOW there is no God, and bases
it on science - they are not as smart as they think they are - and
they are delusional. The scientific proof does not exist, and it is
my belief the scientific proof will never be found.

I'm also relatively sure I know more of the science involved than most
of the very loud and vocaln deniers do,

For now I'll take Luke 9 vs 5 litterally and add you to my dust bin as
well.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 14:33:26 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:

Macaw for one.

[Mitchell Holman]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote in news:qplhjbdp0rb8a8255nbklhdksg1iq93dhr@
4ax.com:

At least we know the shroud is real.

[Your Name]

In article <71mhjbdfh0cfbkn93...@4ax.com>,

<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016 11:22:36 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
> wrote:
> >>"Your Name" wrote in message
> >>news:150520161814342819%Your...@YourISP.com...
> >>In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
> >><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
> >>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
> >>Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
> >>load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
> >>in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
> >>
> >
> >Are you just trying to stir stuff or do you believe what you wrote? There
> >are loads of biblical artifacts, skeptics have been proven wrong by
> >archeology multiple times. Not sure if you are that uninformed or just a
> >troll.
>

> To be 100% honest though, as a Christian, many of the so-called
> "relics" of the Catholic church have a rather questionable history and
> MAY fail the test of true science - and with reason.

None of them can be proven to be real "Biblical artefacts" ... mainly
because the Bible is a massive load of crappy, unbelievable fairytales.
At best you can prove they date to the correct time period, but half
the crap preserved in churches as "saint's bones" (for example) aren't
even human bones. It's simply part of the ongoing con trick by the
greedy idiots in the church misleading the gullible fools.

> That said - there IS a preponderance of evidence that a man called
> the Christ was crucified by the Romans in Jerusalem in the rough time
> period claimed as the beginning of "the common era" - at roughly the
> age of 30. and that there were extra-ordinary circumstances
> surrounding his life which caused an upheaval in the jewish/roman
> world of the time..
>
> There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
> existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
> which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
> credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
> Talmud).

The fact that the Bible's crap is mentioned in other finds from
(supposedly) around the same time doesn't actually prove anything in it
is really true. In 2000 years time there would (if we didn't write /
print on biodegradable paper these days) be a lot of "evidence" that a
"real" person called Harry Potter went to a magic school, performed
magic spells, and saved the world from evil ... and none of that will
be true either.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:16:38 -0700, Kick wy's ass
<ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:

>On 5/15/2016 1:08 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:32:39 -0700, Kick wy's ass
>> <ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/15/2016 1:51 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>>>
>>>> There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).
>>>
>>> Not something that has to be proved, fucktard.
>>
>> Yes it does.
>

>No, it doesn't.

>
>> There is more than enough "proof" that there may well be
>> god(s),
>

>No, there isn't. There is only unsupported claim.

Lourdes is unsupported? Really?

>
>
>> so you have to disprove it.
>

>Nope. Never. The person making the positive claim, e.g. "there is a
>god," always and exclusively has the burden of proof.
>
>I'm kind of a fucking idiot.

Indeed you are. Its good that you admitted it at least once before the
readers. Now they will understand why I tossed you Kerplunk! into
the Bozo bin and hammered the lock closed.

(plink)

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

What is the accuracy range of carbon dating? Weeks? Months? Years?
Decades? Centuries? Particularly carbon dating as performed 20 yrs
ago. What is its accuracy?

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

True indeed. Some fascinating archeological digs are currently in
operation as a result.

Some fascinating history is being verified as we speak. Others are
proven as fake. All very interesting!!

http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/news/

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

What took you so long? (Grin)

[Jim Wilkins]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rjvhjb5lddgb2au6n...@4ax.com...

It's generally good within a few percent, especially for age ranges
that can be cross-checked against other dating methods like artifacts
of known age, tree rings or a drill core of seasonal sediment layers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Intcal_13_calibration_curve.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology
"As of 2013, fully anchored chronologies in the northern hemisphere
extend back 13,900 years."

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:21:46 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
wrote:

>

>None of them can be proven to be real "Biblical artefacts" ... mainly
>because the Bible is a massive load of crappy, unbelievable fairytales.

And your scientific cites to this effect are....where?

(Grin)..and changing your nym doesnt work worth a damn.

Gunner

[Rudy Canoza]

The only thing I've stated as fact is that those who claim to have
"proof" of the existence of god are wrong. They do not have proof.

[Rudy Canoza]

I've never seen anyone by that name posting in either of these two
groups. You have to point me to a specific post, or I'm not buying it.

[Brian Girecky]

Plenty accurate when it comes to things only a few hundred years old.
http://ncse.com/cej/3/2/answers-to-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 17:37:43 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>

He's been active on the home repair group and through crossposting
has hit several others.
Along with a few others I've permanently plonked.

[Your Name]

In article <7nvhjb1cmkshomud0...@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch

<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:21:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> >On Sun, 15 May 2016 11:22:36 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
> >wrote:
> >>>"Your Name" wrote in message
> >>>news:150520161814342819%Your...@YourISP.com...
> >>>In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
> >>><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
> >>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
> >>>Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
> >>>load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
> >>>in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
> >>>
> >>
> >>Are you just trying to stir stuff or do you believe what you wrote? There
> >>are loads of biblical artifacts, skeptics have been proven wrong by
> >>archeology multiple times. Not sure if you are that uninformed or just a
> >>troll.
> >

> >To be 100% honest though, as a Christian, many of the so-called
> >"relics" of the Catholic church have a rather questionable history and
> >MAY fail the test of true science - and with reason.
> >
> > That said - there IS a preponderance of evidence that a man called
> >the Christ was crucified by the Romans in Jerusalem in the rough time
> >period claimed as the beginning of "the common era" - at roughly the
> >age of 30. and that there were extra-ordinary circumstances
> >surrounding his life which caused an upheaval in the jewish/roman
> >world of the time..
> >
> >There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
> >existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
> >which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
> >credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
> >Talmud).
>
> True indeed. Some fascinating archeological digs are currently in
> operation as a result.
>
> Some fascinating history is being verified as we speak. Others are
> proven as fake. All very interesting!!
>
> http://www.bible-history.com/archaeology/news/

Ah, so the fact that the White House does exist proves that the
Independence Day movie was true?? Pity nobody remember it being blown
up and rebuilt.

Grow a braincell. Lots of fictional stories use real life locations.
The fact that some locations mentioned in the Bible were real does not
prove the Bible itself is true. :-\

[RogerN]

>"Your Name" wrote in message

>news:160520161021464094%Your...@YourISP.com...

>
>In article <71mhjbdfh0cfbkn93...@4ax.com>,
><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>

> <snip>

>
>The fact that the Bible's crap is mentioned in other finds from
>(supposedly) around the same time doesn't actually prove anything in it
>is really true. In 2000 years time there would (if we didn't write /
>print on biodegradable paper these days) be a lot of "evidence" that a
>"real" person called Harry Potter went to a magic school, performed
>magic spells, and saved the world from evil ... and none of that will
>be true either.
>
>

For 1000 years, skeptics pointed to the Old Testament references to Assyria
and its capital, Ninevah. They claimed such places never existed. Assyria
was written off as a "mythical empire." The reason for this conclusion was
that no secular references to Assyria and Ninevah had ever been found. Then,
in 1840 a British explorer by the name of Henry Layard had the temerity to
discover evidence of the existence of Assyria, and soon after, another
Englishman proceeded to dig up the city of Nineveh.

By 1800 skeptics were pointing to the New Testament references to the towns
of Capernaum, Chorazin, and Bethsaida as proof positive that the Bible is
full of myth, legend and superstition. "No such towns ever existed," they
claimed. Today, thanks to archeology, you can visit these places.

The skeptics then turned their attention to the Hittites, a nation the Bible
mentions 40 times. They were classified an "imaginary" people who existed
only in the pages of the Old Testament. But then, in 1905 archeologists
uncovered the city of Boghas-Keui in central Turkey which proved to be the
former capital city of this "bogus" empire.
--

RogerN

[Rudy Canoza]

I think you're making it up - lying, in other words.

I've never seen anyone claim to have "proof" that god doesn't exist.
Show me a post, or I'll say you're lying.

[Gunner Asch]

Thanks for the nice article. However...it didnt say that it was
"plenty accurate to things only a few hundred years old..and in
fact..said it made "older things" look "younger"..up to about 5000 yrs
ago. Now again I ask..what is the accuracy mean? The best one can
expect from C14 dating of things from say..the 13th century as opposed
to the 1st century?

Thanks!

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 14:13:37 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
wrote:

Actually..no. It simply proves that a street slattern laid down with a
Downs Syndrome victim in a moment of pity and you were the result.

>
>Grow a braincell. Lots of fictional stories use real life locations.
>The fact that some locations mentioned in the Bible were real does not
>prove the Bible itself is true. :-\

It doesnt prove that the Bible itself is false either. And Im not a
Christian..so I have no duck in this fight. It does prove however
that many things in it are found to be true...ancient things that have
been forgotten for the past several thousand years. So...given you
cant remember the nym you used yesterday...Id say that old bit of
paper and fish wrap is far more accurate than you are. Now you may
wish to pick and choose which is accurate according to your
biases..and that is your right. Bashing folks for going in other
directions is also within your rights...though frankly its blatently
stupid, as sooner or later you are going to find someone as mentally
ill as you are...who will blow your heart out or beat you to death
with the jawbone of an ass. An Ironic way to pass along to your
eternity among the worms and roots, wouldnt you say?

Your choice...simply use it wisely. Using it poorly..may cause you
great pain and suffering and a long or short death scene.

Shrug

And frankly..no one here really gives a shit what you believe. Crom
knows I could care less. I just hate bullies and thugs..and you and
your pals appear to be both.

Gunner


Gunner

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:11:52 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:32:39 -0700, Kick wy's ass
><ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:
>
>>On 5/15/2016 1:51 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>>

>>> There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).
>>

>>Not something that has to be proved, fucktard.

> There sure is if you are going to present it as fact.
>
>Profanity - the attempt of a very feeble mind to express itself
>forceably.

Claiming that profanity or the lack of it proves anything: one of the
go-to excuses of the man with no valid argument.

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 17:45:29 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:32:03 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 May 2016 15:03:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>>><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>>>Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>>>load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>>>in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>>
>>>
>>> Conversely, there is no proof there IS no God - and more proof the
>>>historic jesus existed than proof he did not.
>>
>>So he existed. That's a long way from deity, virgin birth,
>>resurrection, etc. All of which is less likely than the heresy this
>>movie posits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth But
>>would any sizeable number of believers accept the premise that Jesus
>>was just a man? Nope. Too much invested, too hard to accept having
>>been deluded.
> You still have no proof he wasn't, yet you represent it as FACT.

I already asked you to show a quote to prove that point. You haven't,
and you won't be able to, and you damned well know it.

> If you say "I do not believe there is a God, and I do not believe
>Christ was his son, or that his death has any effect on my life' but
>you are free to believe as you wish" - I respect that decision and
>that belief.

No, you have already written that you think Atheists are mentally
defective. That is the opposite of respect.

> I have a lot of friends who are not believers. Some are
>sceptics.. I respect their right to believe what they believe, and
>they respect my beliefs, and I am happy to answer rheir questions to
>the best of my ability when they have questions.
>
> You don't ask questions -

I have asked several questions that you have refused to answer. And
no, I have no need to ask you bible study type question, because you
can't and don't have any factual answers.

> and you don't accept answers when they are
>offered. You just want to argue to prove you are smarter than "any
>idiot who believes in the tooth fairy"

Can you even agree that someone who believes in the tooth fairy is an
idiot? I bet you can't, because the implications would be too obvious
for you to accept.

>So for now I'll just take Luke 9 vs 5 litterally. You are in the dust
>bin.

Ah, some more of that respect for non believers. LOL

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:01:53 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>I believe there is a god That's my business. I've never purported to
>have incontovertible proof.

Assuming you know the definition of the word "proof" you have no proof
whatsoever, and have admitted it. So it's silly to add the
"incontrovertible" qualifier.

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:21:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:


>>>In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

> there IS a preponderance of evidence that a man called
>the Christ was crucified by the Romans in Jerusalem in the rough time
>period claimed as the beginning of "the common era" - at roughly the
>age of 30. and that there were extra-ordinary circumstances
>surrounding his life which caused an upheaval in the jewish/roman
>world of the time..
>
>There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
>existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
>which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
>credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
>Talmud).

Logical fallacy. Let's imagine that Wieber's tale of a 264mph
motorcycle ride is unearthed a couple thousand years from now. The lie
includes a location (Taft) and a cop with a radar gun. Scholars could
confirm that Weiber, Taft, cops, and radar guns all existed. But none
of that would do anything to prove the veracity of the story. They
could also confirm that Wieber told a ton of demonstrable lies,
presumably to further his self interest. See the problem, and the
parallels?

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:08:16 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:32:39 -0700, Kick wy's ass
><ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:
>
>>On 5/15/2016 1:51 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>

>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>>

>>> There is no proof there ISNT a god(s).
>>
>>Not something that has to be proved, fucktard.
>

>Yes it does. There is more than enough "proof" that there may well be
>god(s),

And yet, you haven't provided a scintilla of it. Where is it?

> so you have to disprove it.

LOL No.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:shlijb5dn1rksdtka...@4ax.com...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibration_of_radiocarbon_dates

This shows the uncertainty for the period near the Shroud dating:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Variations_in_calibration_results.png
As you can see the uncertainty can be 100 years, three separate date
ranges, or quite small, depending on where the carbon date +/- one
standard deviation, the pairs of colored horizontal lines, intersect
the calibration curve established from independently verifiable ages
of reference samples.

--jsw

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> This shows the uncertainty for the period near the Shroud dating:

I remember watching a documentary about the Shroud (of Turin) where scientists put parts of the Shroud under a microscope and they found small bits of oak and other plant-based substances primarily used in making medieval era paint.

[Buzz Forward]

Name one.

> Some fascinating history is being verified as we speak.

You overuse "indeed" and "fascinating." Take a vocabulary improvement
course.

[Brian Girecky]

Why don't you write directly to the authors of that page? I don't claim
to be an expert in the subject; I just happen not to believe the
creationist objections to the technique, coming as they do from
ferociously anti-intellectual people who omit or misrepresent things all
the time.

[Brian Girecky]

On 5/15/2016 4:35 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:21:46 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> None of them can be proven to be real "Biblical artefacts" ... mainly
>> because the Bible is a massive load of crappy, unbelievable fairytales.
>
> And your scientific cites to this effect are....where?

He doesn't need any. He's stating his belief about the text of the
bible. I agree with him. I think it's made-up fairy tales, too.

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

You have to understand that he's wearing these while posting.
http://tinyurl.com/zcsp3cy

The better to claim he was mind melding when caught in Hotel Econoline
with his dog.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 5/15/2016 1:21 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016 11:22:36 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> "Your Name" wrote in message
>>> news:150520161814342819%Your...@YourISP.com...
>>>

>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>>
>>

>> Are you just trying to stir stuff or do you believe what you wrote? There
>> are loads of biblical artifacts, skeptics have been proven wrong by
>> archeology multiple times. Not sure if you are that uninformed or just a
>> troll.
>>
>> RogerN
>>
> To be 100% honest though, as a Christian, many of the so-called
> "relics" of the Catholic church have a rather questionable history and
> MAY fail the test of true science - and with reason.
>
> That said - there IS a preponderance of evidence that a man called
> the Christ was crucified by the Romans in Jerusalem in the rough time
> period claimed as the beginning of "the common era" - at roughly the
> age of 30.

No, there isn't. You simply wish to believe it, and any scant scrap
that *appears* to confirm it, you leap on.

> and that there were extra-ordinary circumstances
> surrounding his life which caused an upheaval in the jewish/roman
> world of the time..

Bullshit. You haven't read any such "evidence", and sticking the word
"preponderance" in front of it doesn't make it so, it just makes you a
wild exaggerator. The only stuff you've read is from credulous
believers who did the same thing you just did: start tossing around
words like "preponderance" with no valid reason for doing so. You can't
cite a single bit of historical work - peer reviewed, not some garbage
from a believer website - that supports your claim.

>
> There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
> existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
> which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
> credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
> Talmud).

*Cite* some of it. Don't make a claim like that and expect reasonable
people to accept it at face value.

[Gunner Asch]

My..but you certainly do have a chip on your shoulder, dont you? That
bit of grack has at least 5 insults in it, none of which appears to be
more than the result of hate and bias on your part.

Is it true that you are British as well? Evidently the English
pysche has become rather sick and twisted since Universal Socialism
has become your nations religion. Last time I was there was over 30
yrs ago...and Im most certainly glad Ive not had reason to go back.
The two lads who tried to rob me in Manchester gave me good reason to
avoid the place like the plague. Given that its highly unlikely
either of them survived my response to their attack....shrug...

I keep running into Brits here on Usenet, who could have had one of
them as a biological parent....all filled with hate and
anger...growing up without a father and all....shrug.



Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

So you are voicing your OPINION?

"opinions are like assholes, most everybody has one and they all tend
to stink, some far more than others"

So why not be more honest with the readers..and yourselves..and
mention that you are venting your Opinions, rather than any fact based
data points? Or does that make your venting appear smaller?

Gunner

[Rudy Canoza]

Did you notice the weasel-worded statement? "proof" that there "may
well be"... Very compelling, eh?

[A Friend]

In article <e4428123-5891-42e9...@googlegroups.com>,

The responses to that are usually along the lines of "they only touched
it up." Cf. the "miraculous" Our Lady of Guadalupe canvas.

[Beam Me Up Scotty]

Which doesn't mean that you didn't learn a lesson that is scientific
fact by hearing the fairy tale.

When explaining a Skype conversation to a person from 2000 years ago,
telling them the basics of RF communications and integrated circuits
might be better done in terms they can understand.

In Greek and Roman Mythology they said a chariot pulled the sun across
the sky, the fact is the sun did always move across the sky. They just
used a fairy tale to get you to realize that *FACT* .

You would think they had to wonder how it could always move in the same
direction across the sky, there would need to be a never ending supply
of suns in the EAST...

--
If Atheists demand scientific proof that GOD and Spaghetti Monsters
exist, why don't those same Atheists demand scientific proof that gayys
and Global Warming exist?

That's Karma

[Rudy Canoza]

On 5/15/2016 8:09 PM, RogerN wrote:
>> "Your Name" wrote in message
>> news:160520161021464094%Your...@YourISP.com...
>>
>> In article <71mhjbdfh0cfbkn93...@4ax.com>,
>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> The fact that the Bible's crap is mentioned in other finds from
>> (supposedly) around the same time doesn't actually prove anything in it
>> is really true. In 2000 years time there would (if we didn't write /
>> print on biodegradable paper these days) be a lot of "evidence" that a
>> "real" person called Harry Potter went to a magic school, performed
>> magic spells, and saved the world from evil ... and none of that will
>> be true either.
>>
>>
>
> For 1000 years, skeptics pointed to the Old Testament references to Assyria
> and its capital, Ninevah. They claimed such places never existed. Assyria
> was written off as a "mythical empire."

Name any of these skeptics. Cite any of their works that claimed Assyria
never existed. I think you're lying about it. It's very satisfying to
believers to pretend their beliefs have been under attack by "skeptics"
and then to exult that the "skeptics" have been "proved wrong" by
archeological discovery, but I think the "skeptics" are also a figment
of your imagination, or even worse, an outright fabrication - a lie.

> The reason for this conclusion was

A "conclusion" you can't show was ever reached by anyone...

> that no secular references to Assyria and Ninevah had ever been found. Then,
> in 1840 a British explorer by the name of Henry Layard had the temerity

Ha ha ha ha! So Layard was motivated by "temerity", was he? You
fucking idiot. Also, Layard didn't explore the ruins of Ninevah until
1847. The Danish explorer Carsten Niebuhr identified the site during an
expedition from 1761-1768, and the Frenchman Paul-Emile Botta explored
the area in 1842.


> To discover evidence of the existence of Assyria, and soon after, another

> Englishman proceeded to dig up the city of Nineveh.

Completely wrong history of the exploration of the area.

> By 1800 skeptics were pointing to the New Testament references to the towns
> of Capernaum, Chorazin, and Bethsaida as proof positive that the Bible is
> full of myth, legend and superstition. "No such towns ever existed," they
> claimed.

Name these skeptics.

[Buzz Forward]

Good one.

I might have to compile the Gummer Asch (Limited) Vocabulary Compendium.
Obvious entries are "indeed", "fascinating", "buffoon", "shrug" and
"vbg". He is even more limited than Trump, and that's saying something.
Among my Trump favorites are "loser", "pathetic", "ridiculous",
"disgusting", "classy" and "major".

[Brian Girecky]

On 5/16/2016 7:44 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 06:59:43 -0700, Brian Girecky
> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Plenty accurate when it comes to things only a few hundred years old.
>>>> http://ncse.com/cej/3/2/answers-to-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating
>>>
>>> Thanks for the nice article. However...it didnt say that it was
>>> "plenty accurate to things only a few hundred years old..and in
>>> fact..said it made "older things" look "younger"..up to about 5000 yrs
>>> ago. Now again I ask..what is the accuracy mean? The best one can
>>> expect from C14 dating of things from say..the 13th century as opposed
>>> to the 1st century?
>>
>> Why don't you write directly to the authors of that page? I don't claim
>> to be an expert in the subject; I just happen not to believe the
>> creationist objections to the technique, coming as they do from
>> ferociously anti-intellectual people who omit or misrepresent things all
>> the time.
>
> My..but you certainly do have a chip on your shoulder, dont you?

Not at all.

> Is it true that you are British as well?

No.

[Brian Girecky]

On 5/16/2016 7:46 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 07:01:01 -0700, Brian Girecky
> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2016 4:35 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:21:46 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of them can be proven to be real "Biblical artefacts" ... mainly
>>>> because the Bible is a massive load of crappy, unbelievable fairytales.
>>>
>>> And your scientific cites to this effect are....where?
>>
>> He doesn't need any. He's stating his belief about the text of the
>> bible. I agree with him. I think it's made-up fairy tales, too.
>
> So you are voicing your OPINION?

Never claimed anything else. Of course, I consider it to be a well
founded opinion.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:00:56 -0700, Brian Girecky

Of COURSE "you" consider it to be a well founded opinion. Why else
would you be trolling here on Usenet, on a metalworking newsgroup.

So, what metal working have you done this past week? I rebuilt a Cat
forklift, electrical rewire and new propane fuel system, I repaired
(2) OmniTurn CNC lathes and did service on a rotary air compressor.
Oh...I also welded up a busted utility trailer for a guy who was
moving his mothers personal effects after she died 2 weeks ago. He
traveled down from Hollister (Cali) and busted the leaf spring mounts
on one side of his axle. No charge, did it as a favor for a nice guy
under the gun to clean out her house and get back to work. We even fed
him and his wife while the repair was going on. Almost talked them
into taking one of our rescues, but he didnt really have room. With
luck, they will come back in 2 weeks and pick her up. Oh..we do
Austrailian Shepherd rescue. Currently we have 12 up for adoption.

Id offer you one, but I only give them to people worthy of sharing
life with a smart loving dog. The lil girl would be pissed as hell
finding herself a member of a family of hate filled self centered
retards..and would never forgive me.


And you? What did you do last week? Sit and mumble to yourself while
two finger punching a keyboard and wondering where your Free Shit was?

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:00:20 -0700, Brian Girecky

<abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:

>On 5/16/2016 7:44 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 06:59:43 -0700, Brian Girecky
>> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty accurate when it comes to things only a few hundred years old.
>>>>> http://ncse.com/cej/3/2/answers-to-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the nice article. However...it didnt say that it was
>>>> "plenty accurate to things only a few hundred years old..and in
>>>> fact..said it made "older things" look "younger"..up to about 5000 yrs
>>>> ago. Now again I ask..what is the accuracy mean? The best one can
>>>> expect from C14 dating of things from say..the 13th century as opposed
>>>> to the 1st century?
>>>
>>> Why don't you write directly to the authors of that page? I don't claim
>>> to be an expert in the subject; I just happen not to believe the
>>> creationist objections to the technique, coming as they do from
>>> ferociously anti-intellectual people who omit or misrepresent things all
>>> the time.
>>
>> My..but you certainly do have a chip on your shoulder, dont you?
>
>Not at all.

Denial..is not a river in Egypt.

>
>> Is it true that you are British as well?

Odd..you sound like one of those ignorant wankers. Probably Canadian
then.

Gunner

>
>No.

[Brian Girecky]

On 5/16/2016 10:06 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:00:20 -0700, Brian Girecky
> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2016 7:44 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 06:59:43 -0700, Brian Girecky
>>> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty accurate when it comes to things only a few hundred years old.
>>>>>> http://ncse.com/cej/3/2/answers-to-creationist-attacks-carbon-14-dating
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the nice article. However...it didnt say that it was
>>>>> "plenty accurate to things only a few hundred years old..and in
>>>>> fact..said it made "older things" look "younger"..up to about 5000 yrs
>>>>> ago. Now again I ask..what is the accuracy mean? The best one can
>>>>> expect from C14 dating of things from say..the 13th century as opposed
>>>>> to the 1st century?
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you write directly to the authors of that page? I don't claim
>>>> to be an expert in the subject; I just happen not to believe the
>>>> creationist objections to the technique, coming as they do from
>>>> ferociously anti-intellectual people who omit or misrepresent things all
>>>> the time.
>>>
>>> My..but you certainly do have a chip on your shoulder, dont you?
>>
>> Not at all.
>
> Denial..is not a river in Egypt.

You haven't established that there's any chip on my should. It's your
unsupported claim <shrug>.

>>> Is it true that you are British as well?
>
> Odd..you sound like one of those ignorant wankers.

Born and brought up in the USA descended from people who arrived not too
many years after the pilgrims; 1740s, actually. You?

[Brian Girecky]

On 5/16/2016 9:57 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:00:56 -0700, Brian Girecky
> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2016 7:46 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 07:01:01 -0700, Brian Girecky
>>> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/15/2016 4:35 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:21:46 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of them can be proven to be real "Biblical artefacts" ... mainly
>>>>>> because the Bible is a massive load of crappy, unbelievable fairytales.
>>>>>
>>>>> And your scientific cites to this effect are....where?
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't need any. He's stating his belief about the text of the
>>>> bible. I agree with him. I think it's made-up fairy tales, too.
>>>
>>> So you are voicing your OPINION?
>>
>> Never claimed anything else. Of course, I consider it to be a well
>> founded opinion.
>
> Of COURSE "you" consider it to be a well founded opinion.

Yes, of course I do. If I cared enough to take the time, which I don't,
I could present a comprehensive case for why I consider it to be well
founded.

> So, what metal working have you done this past week?

None. However, a couple of weeks ago, when I dropped retaining clip
(http://tinyurl.com/znc8wpd - goes to Home Depot page) from the shower
valve cartridge inside the wall and couldn't find it, I fashioned a
pretty good temporary one from a cotter pin. When I replaced it this
morning with the real deal from Home Depot, I was surprised to see how
good my temporary one was; it actually resembles the OEM one more
closely than I recalled.

> I rebuilt a Cat
> forklift, electrical rewire and new propane fuel system, I repaired
> (2) OmniTurn CNC lathes and did service on a rotary air compressor.

Sure you did.

> And you? What did you do last week? Sit and mumble to yourself while
> two finger punching a keyboard and wondering where your Free Shit was?

No, I *REALLY DO* earn $75 an hour, for *eight* hours a day *every* day,
doing database administration work for a "too big to fail" bank. And
I've never scrounged food out of dumpsters, nor received taxpayer-paid
medical care, in my life.

[Arc Michael]

On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 12:46:37 PM UTC-7, Kaptain Krunch wrote:
> In article <nh4vb9$9f3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Kaptain Krunch is a nigger fag that has no brain cell. Has no idea how this term came into existence. Commonidiotcore must have raped his mind and twisted it into gumbo juice. Fucking faggot

[Arc Michael]

dude too big to fail means the poor pay off the games of the rich and you fucking celebrate that fag? figures! shit was born, you, and shit you have become .

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:36:07 -0700, Brian Girecky

Its my Opinion. Though Id not be surprised if it wasnt confirmed by
the rest of the readers of the metalworking group you saw fit to add
to your diatribe.

>
>>>> Is it true that you are British as well?
>>
>> Odd..you sound like one of those ignorant wankers.
>
>Born and brought up in the USA descended from people who arrived not too
>many years after the pilgrims; 1740s, actually. You?

So you are English. Thats not surprising in the slightest.

As for me..Im a hybrid, Finn, German, Native American and Black Irish.
My blood hasnt been watered down by being inbred for centuries.
Oh..and Im Rensi Buddhist. (Grin)...so Im hardly watered down
buffoonery now am I ?

Have a very nice day!!

<plink>

Removing yet another bit of trash from the RCM news group.

Gunner

[Brian Girecky]

It's not well founded. I don't even believe it is your opinion; you
were just trying to be insulting. I've noticed you do a lot of that.

>>>>> Is it true that you are British as well?
>>>
>>> Odd..you sound like one of those ignorant wankers.
>>
>> Born and brought up in the USA descended from people who arrived not too
>> many years after the pilgrims; 1740s, actually. You?
>
> So you are English.

No, my original ancestors didn't arrive from England.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:06:57 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

NO!!!! Gunner, don't equate those idiots to your fine neighbours to
the North - just because we share the same queen!!
>>No.

[Gunner Asch]

Not ALL of you are screwed up. Just those in Ottawa and Le
Quebeckers.

(Grin)

[RogerN]

>"Buzz Forward" wrote in message news:cgk_y.54854$864....@fx28.iad...

>On 5/15/2016 4:03 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:21:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

><snip>

>
>>> There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
>>> existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
>>> which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
>>> credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
>>> Talmud).
>>
>> True indeed. Some fascinating archeological digs are currently in
>> operation as a result.
>
>Name one.

Israel

Abel Beth Maacah
Apollonia-Arsuf
Ashdod-Yam
Ashkelon
Azekah
Bethsaida
Ein el-Jarba
Hippos-Sussita
Jaffa
Khirbet el-Eika
Khirbet el-Maqatir
Kursi Beach Excavation
Legio
Manot Cave
Mount Zion
Shikhin/Asochis
Tel Akko
The Tel Bet Yerah Archaeological Project
Tel Beth Shemesh
Tel Burna
Tel Dan
Tel Dor
Tel Eton
Tel Gezer
Tel Gezer Water System Project
Tel Hazor
Tel Jezreel
Tel Kabri
Tel Lachish
Tel Megiddo
Tel Tsaf
Tell es-Safi/Gath
Tell Halif
Tell Keisan
Temple Mount
Tiberias
Timna

Jordan

Abila of the Decapolis
Khirbat al-Jariya
Khirbat Ataruz
Khirbat Iskandar
Petra Garden and Pool Project
Tall el-Hammam
Tall Jalul

Egypt

City Of The Dead
The Fayum Field School

Turkey

Antiochia ad Cragum

Cyprus

Idalion

Italy

Archaeology of Lower Valley Bussento Project
Campobello di Licata & Naro
Monte Testaccio
Ostia Antica
The Pran’e Siddi Landscape Project
Underwater Portus Iulius
Villa Vignacce

Spain

Barcelona
Cova Gran Archeological Project
Pintia
Pollentia
Récopolis
Sanisera
Son Peretó
Son Real
Zorita

>> Some fascinating history is being verified as we speak.
>
>You overuse "indeed" and "fascinating." Take a vocabulary improvement
>course.
>

RogerN

[duke]

On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:27:35 -0400, David Hartung
<hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote:

>The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity is a
>made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion claiming that their
>words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky pixie who magically created
>everything in 6 days but hasn't shown himself since.

Wow, I knew you were royally screwed up but I didn't think you were that
absolutely clueless as to what faith is all about.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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[First-Post]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 17:32:59 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:27:35 -0400, David Hartung
><hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote:
>
>>The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity is a
>>made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion claiming that their
>>words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky pixie who magically created
>>everything in 6 days but hasn't shown himself since.
>
>Wow, I knew you were royally screwed up but I didn't think you were that
>absolutely clueless as to what faith is all about.

You do realize that the post was made by the Canadian forger in
Toronto and not David don't you?

[Buzz Forward]

On 5/16/2016 3:10 PM, RogerN wrote:
>> "Buzz Forward" wrote in message news:cgk_y.54854$864....@fx28.iad...
>> On 5/15/2016 4:03 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:21:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
>>>> existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
>>>> which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
>>>> credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
>>>> Talmud).
>>>
>>> True indeed. Some fascinating archeological digs are currently in
>>> operation as a result.
>>
>> Name one.
>
>
> Israel
>
> Abel Beth Maacah
> Apollonia-Arsuf
> Ashdod-Yam

Okay, I looked at the first three of these. They have been excavated
for decades. Note that the liar gummer said these are "currently in
operation" [sic] "as a *result*" of some supposed determination that
what had been believed to be biblical myth was "proved" to be fact.
That was a lie.


>
> Turkey

Not in the bible

>
> Italy

Not in the bible

>
> Spain

Not in the bible.

[the late Marie Therese LaBourgeois]

On 5/16/2016 3:32 PM, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:27:35 -0400, David Hartung
> <hartun...@mississippisucks.net> wrote:
>
>> The Bible says nothing about Christians probably because Christianity is a
>> made up pile of bullshit by bozos who invented a religion claiming that their
>> words are the words of the omipotent bearded sky pixie who magically created
>> everything in 6 days but hasn't shown himself since.
>
> Wow, I knew you were royally screwed up but I didn't think you were that
> absolutely clueless as to what faith is all about.

You responded to a forgery, you dumb fat fucking alcoholic pedophile.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 17:10:27 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

Thank you Roger.
Was there any further questions from the peanut gallery? Hummm?

Gunner

[Buzz Forward]

On 5/16/2016 4:56 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 17:10:27 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> "Buzz Forward" wrote in message news:cgk_y.54854$864....@fx28.iad...
>>> On 5/15/2016 4:03 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:21:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> There is also more evidence being unearthed evey year supporting the
>>>>> existance of cities and civilizations mentioned in the old testament
>>>>> which have long been considered mythilogical, lending more historical
>>>>> credence to much of what is reported in the old testament (the Jewish
>>>>> Talmud).
>>>>
>>>> True indeed. Some fascinating archeological digs are currently in
>>>> operation as a result.
>>>
>>> Name one.
>>
>>

>> [load of irrelevant crap]

>>
>>>> Some fascinating history is being verified as we speak.
>>>
>>> You overuse "indeed" and "fascinating." Take a vocabulary improvement
>>> course.
>>>
>>
>> RogerN
>>
> Thank you Roger.

You said those excavations - *none* of which is new or recent - were "as
a result" of something. As a result of what?

[adayinthel...@bwilson.com]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 08:17:21 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:

He is in no way religious. He's just feebly trying to back up the few
posters who he hopes will take him at least slightly seriously.

[disne...@bwilson.com]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 07:32:05 -0700, Kick wy's ass
<ma...@bakersfield.goov> wrote:

>On 5/15/2016 2:45 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 13:32:03 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

>>
>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 15:03:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 18:14:34 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <baufjbhs62llip7h7...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no proof there is a God. There's no proof that anything in the
>>>>> Bible is even true. In fact all the real proof points to it being a
>>>>> load of fictional crap heavily edited (if not written!) by the church
>>>>> in the Middle Ages, just like the idiotic fake "Shroud".
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Conversely, there is no proof there IS no God - and more proof the
>>>> historic jesus existed than proof he did not.
>>>
>>> So he existed. That's a long way from deity, virgin birth,
>>> resurrection, etc. All of which is less likely than the heresy this
>>> movie posits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth But
>>> would any sizeable number of believers accept the premise that Jesus
>>> was just a man? Nope. Too much invested, too hard to accept having
>>> been deluded.
>> You still have no proof he wasn't,
>
>He doesn't have to supply proof he wasn't. *YOU* have to supply proof
>he *WAS*, if that's your claim, but you have none.

Clare admits he has no proof, only faith based on a preponderance of
the evidence. <chuckle>

How the fuck do these people expect their kids to learn reason? One
minute they're telling them to remember to thank "the lord" for their
bowl of cheerios. The next they're telling them not to believe in
chemtrails or vampires because there's no proof. One thing's for sure,
failing the opportunity to hoodwink those mushy brains, religion would
be declining even faster than it is. Some hopeful news.
http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/00-icelanders-25-years-or-younger-believe-god-created-world-new-poll-reveals

[dontgonea...@bwilson.com]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:57:19 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2016 09:00:56 -0700, Brian Girecky
><abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>
>>On 5/16/2016 7:46 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 07:01:01 -0700, Brian Girecky
>>> <abc...@gardner.shitbags.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/15/2016 4:35 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:21:46 +1200, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of them can be proven to be real "Biblical artefacts" ... mainly
>>>>>> because the Bible is a massive load of crappy, unbelievable fairytales.
>>>>>
>>>>> And your scientific cites to this effect are....where?
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't need any. He's stating his belief about the text of the
>>>> bible. I agree with him. I think it's made-up fairy tales, too.
>>>
>>> So you are voicing your OPINION?
>>
>>Never claimed anything else. Of course, I consider it to be a well
>>founded opinion.
>
>Of COURSE "you" consider it to be a well founded opinion. Why else
>would you be trolling here on Usenet, on a metalworking newsgroup.
>
>So, what metal working have you done this past week? I rebuilt a Cat
>forklift,

yada yada, no rational response, attempts to one up opponent instead.

Another incredible day in the life of the Amazing Wieber! Yet somehow,
after 4 plus decades of all manner of astounding accomplishments,
Wieber is still renting the crappy lot his mobile sits on, is in debt
and has a negative net worth.

I see this is crossposted to some groups other than RCM. New readers
of the infamous gunner/Weiber might want to read a little history...
if they have the intestinal fortitude. Wieber is in fact possibly the
most amazing poster on Usenet, but not in the way he'd have readers
believe.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/misc.survivalism/EGjlW2l80nQ/ZzLZIugVgtoJ

[godonl...@bwilson.com]

Hey Clare, if you need rhetorical backup from Wieber, it's time to
rethink your position. Or does that "Christian" lifestyle of yours
have a loophole that makes room pathological liars?

[John Doe]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

> Along with a few others I've permanently plonked.

Preventing yourself from seeing a troll's posts does nothing to
discourage it. In fact, they enjoy it.

Currently, the best place on the Internet for intelligent discussion is
YouTube. It's not the best forum, but it allows mutual blocking. Mutual
blocking is the only way to truly discourage trolls.

Facebook implements mutual blocking too. But it's even less useful for
discussion than YouTube.

USENET probably will never do so, but I'm hoping that some mainstream
discussion forums pick it up.

[John Doe]

An assertion like "There is no God" implies that one has proof.
That's a simple concept...


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> On 5/15/2016 6:05 PM, clare snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 17:37:43 -0700, Rudy Canoza <cap philhendrie.con>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/15/2016 3:03 PM, clare snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 14:33:26 -0700, Rudy Canoza <cap philhendrie.con>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/14/2016 9:25 PM, clare snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2016 19:27:44 -0700, whoyakidding gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a little story you might be able to relate to. When the first
>>>>>>> Rob Ford crack smoking news broke, a guy from Rob's hood told me that
>>>>>>> he would never believe it until he saw the video for himself. Guess
>>>>>>> how much video he has of his sky daddy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A truly logical and intelligent person would never be so gullible to
>>>>>>> fall for religion. But a mostly logical and intelligent person who did
>>>>>>> fall for religion would simply admit that yes, he is gullible, but for
>>>>>>> whatever reason, wants to believe anyway. What you did by trying to
>>>>>>> pin the blame for your lack of reason on anyone who refuses to
>>>>>>> believer, is downright stupid. That's a fact, and no matter how much
>>>>>>> more you write on the subject, that fact will remain.

>>>>>> I may be gullible to believe there is a god, but not as gullible as
>>>>>> anyone who believes there is any proof there is no god.
>>>>>

>>>>> Name anyone who ever said there is "proof" there is no god.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't - you made that up.
>>>> Macaw for one.
>>>
>>> I've never seen anyone by that name posting in either of these two
>>> groups. You have to point me to a specific post, or I'm not buying it.
>> He's been active on the home repair group and through crossposting
>
> I think you're making it up - lying, in other words.
>
> I've never seen anyone claim to have "proof" that god doesn't exist.
> Show me a post, or I'll say you're lying.
>
>
>

[Jim Wilkins]

"Buzz Forward"
<kick.jerry.sauks.fat.p...@everywhere.now> wrote
in message news:lvs_y.1630$kg...@fx31.iad...

> On 5/16/2016 3:10 PM, RogerN wrote:

>> Turkey
>
> Not in the bible
>

The land the Turks later conquered figured heavily in the Bible,
beginning with Noah on Mount Ararat.
http://www.biblicaltourguide.com/biblicalsitesinturkey.html
"Approximately 60% of the names of the places mentioned in the Bible
are in Turkey."

Even Santa Claus was from Turkey. St. Nicholas was the Bishop of Myra.

[Rudy Canoza]

What's really funny is he claims to be a "Rensai [sic] Buddhist", yet
here he is furiously trying to pull Christian believers' asses out of
the fire, and not for the first time.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 5/16/2016 5:42 PM, John Doe wrote:
> An assertion like "There is no God"

Not an assertion I've made.

> implies that one has proof.

Not necessarily. Of course, such proof could conceivably be to show an
unavoidable contradiction in the conditions required to show that there
*is* a god. I don't claim to have shown that, but I suppose someone may
think he has.

>
>
> -- Rudy Canoza <cap philhendrie.con> wrote in news:y0b_y.28056$FH2.21936
> fx03.iad:

Ha ha ha ha ha! You taking Usenet posting lessons from dweeber? Did it
make you feel powerful to view, copy and paste the message headers?
What a chump.

[John Doe]

An assertion like "There is no God" implies that one has proof.
That's a simple concept...

Try reading slowly this time.

I'm impressed that anyone can be so dull as
to be stuck on such easy to understand trivia.

Good luck getting past third grade...


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[adayinthel...@bwilson.com]

On Mon, 16 May 2016 17:47:40 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>

... and the "Christians" don't have the balls to reject his "help."

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

When I "plonk" them it keeps them out of my "in-box" and I don't get
tempted to get "sucked in" to responding to them any more. I do still
end up responding to some of the responses of others to them.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

I don't need rhetorical backup from him, but I believe he's more
honest than some of the other posters on this topic who have been
"debating" him.
He's no saint - that's for sure but he doesn't pretend to be, does
he?? I was just telling him not to tar all Canadians with the same
brush. Should I tar all Americans with the Mark Wieber brush??

[Gunner Asch]

Johnboy really is stupid...when I respond indicating Im joking with
Clare..and Johnboy pipes up and shows his fat ass (again) in
public....its simply proof that he needs a keeper to simply cross the
street.

Gunner