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Duggy

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Mar 19, 2012, 11:59:14 PM3/19/12
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On Mar 20, 12:54 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
> scripted.  Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go to the
> front counter to ask some questions.

"Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue. Often
senarios are plotted out.

> First there was a woman looking for a birthday present for her boyfriend.
> They talked her into buying a very expensive Spider-Man back issues where
> Gwen Stacy was killed.  (Lady, it has been reprinted countless times and you
> could find a copy of Marvel Tales at cover price.)

It's the thought that counts.

> In any case, I don't think it's worth staying up for.

Fair enough.

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anim8rFSK

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Mar 20, 2012, 12:50:24 AM3/20/12
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In article
<b045ce70-6d13-4f71...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:

> On Mar 20, 12:54�pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
> > scripted. �Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go to the
> > front counter to ask some questions.
>
> "Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue. Often
> senarios are plotted out.

Certainly it's staged; people walk in the door and nobody even looks at
the cameramen.
>
> > First there was a woman looking for a birthday present for her boyfriend.
> > They talked her into buying a very expensive Spider-Man back issues where
> > Gwen Stacy was killed. �(Lady, it has been reprinted countless times and you
> > could find a copy of Marvel Tales at cover price.)

That was so odd. He considers that the most romantic Spider-Man
story??? Not to mention he left out the part where JMS retconned it so
Gwen is a slut and the Goblin didn't kill her for any reason related to
Spider-Man, but just to cover up the illegitimate kids she bore him.

And the Goblin certainly didn't die; that's all been retconned as well.
>
> It's the thought that counts.
>
> > In any case, I don't think it's worth staying up for.
>
> Fair enough.

I'd concur.

Duggy

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Mar 20, 2012, 5:03:12 AM3/20/12
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On Mar 20, 2:50 pm, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>  Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 12:54 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > > I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
> > > scripted. Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go to the
> > > front counter to ask some questions.
> > "Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue.  Often
> > senarios are plotted out.
> Certainly it's staged; people walk in the door and nobody even looks at
> the cameramen.

Nothing in "unscripted" means it isn't staged. Many mockumentaries
are unscripted but certainly stage.

> > > First there was a woman looking for a birthday present for her boyfriend.
> > > They talked her into buying a very expensive Spider-Man back issues where
> > > Gwen Stacy was killed. (Lady, it has been reprinted countless times and you
> > > could find a copy of Marvel Tales at cover price.)
> That was so odd.  He considers that the most romantic Spider-Man
> story???

Nothing sexier than a dead woman.

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Ken from Chicago

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Mar 20, 2012, 7:34:45 AM3/20/12
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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article
> <b045ce70-6d13-4f71...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 12:54 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>> > I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
>> > scripted. Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go to
>> > the
>> > front counter to ask some questions.
>>
>> "Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue. Often
>> senarios are plotted out.
>
> Certainly it's staged; people walk in the door and nobody even looks at
> the cameramen.

How big are the cameras? Could they have simply edited out the scenes of
customers looking at the cameras? or was it just one continuous shot from
the door to counter?

>> > First there was a woman looking for a birthday present for her
>> > boyfriend.
>> > They talked her into buying a very expensive Spider-Man back issues
>> > where
>> > Gwen Stacy was killed. (Lady, it has been reprinted countless times
>> > and you
>> > could find a copy of Marvel Tales at cover price.)
>
> That was so odd. He considers that the most romantic Spider-Man
> story??? Not to mention he left out the part where JMS retconned it so
> Gwen is a slut and the Goblin didn't kill her for any reason related to
> Spider-Man, but just to cover up the illegitimate kids she bore him.
>
> And the Goblin certainly didn't die; that's all been retconned as well.
>>
>> It's the thought that counts.
>>
>> > In any case, I don't think it's worth staying up for.
>>
>> Fair enough.
>
> I'd concur.

Apparently the comic biz is slow if they only get one customer an hour.

-- Ken from Chicago

anim8rFSK

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Mar 20, 2012, 12:55:47 PM3/20/12
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In article <jkaagg$8f2$2...@dont-email.me>,
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:

> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:anim8rfsk-78698...@news.easynews.com...
> > In article
> > <b045ce70-6d13-4f71...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 20, 12:54 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
> >> > scripted. Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go to
> >> > the
> >> > front counter to ask some questions.
> >>
> >> "Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue. Often
> >> senarios are plotted out.
> >
> > Certainly it's staged; people walk in the door and nobody even looks at
> > the cameramen.
>
> How big are the cameras? Could they have simply edited out the scenes of
> customers looking at the cameras? or was it just one continuous shot from
> the door to counter?

There's handheld stuff in multiple angles. There's clearly a couple of
camera crews and lighting and microphones in plain sight.
>
> >> > First there was a woman looking for a birthday present for her
> >> > boyfriend.
> >> > They talked her into buying a very expensive Spider-Man back issues
> >> > where
> >> > Gwen Stacy was killed. (Lady, it has been reprinted countless times
> >> > and you
> >> > could find a copy of Marvel Tales at cover price.)
> >
> > That was so odd. He considers that the most romantic Spider-Man
> > story??? Not to mention he left out the part where JMS retconned it so
> > Gwen is a slut and the Goblin didn't kill her for any reason related to
> > Spider-Man, but just to cover up the illegitimate kids she bore him.
> >
> > And the Goblin certainly didn't die; that's all been retconned as well.
> >>
> >> It's the thought that counts.
> >>
> >> > In any case, I don't think it's worth staying up for.
> >>
> >> Fair enough.
> >
> > I'd concur.
>
> Apparently the comic biz is slow if they only get one customer an hour.
>
More importantly, one at a time.

Of course, comic book shops do tend to get a couple busy days (comics
come in on a set day, and then the first weekend after that day) and are
slow the rest of the time.

Still it would be more interesting to watch these guys on comic book day
when a mob descends on them!

shawn

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Mar 20, 2012, 6:56:04 PM3/20/12
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:55:47 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:

>In article <jkaagg$8f2$2...@dont-email.me>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:anim8rfsk-78698...@news.easynews.com...
>> > In article
>> > <b045ce70-6d13-4f71...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mar 20, 12:54 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
>> >> > scripted. Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go to
>> >> > the
>> >> > front counter to ask some questions.
>> >>
>> >> "Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue. Often
>> >> senarios are plotted out.
>> >
>> > Certainly it's staged; people walk in the door and nobody even looks at
>> > the cameramen.
>>
>> How big are the cameras? Could they have simply edited out the scenes of
>> customers looking at the cameras? or was it just one continuous shot from
>> the door to counter?
>
>There's handheld stuff in multiple angles. There's clearly a couple of
>camera crews and lighting and microphones in plain sight.

Yes, it's clearly a case of people coming in and they get hit with a
release form and then they do their entrance again for the cameras.

>>
>> Apparently the comic biz is slow if they only get one customer an hour.
>>
>More importantly, one at a time.

Now, now. There have been a couple of times when there were a couple
of people browsing while they talked to the main person. Of course the
real reason is a combination of what you explain below about the slow
days for comic book shops and the need to get release forms and put
people on camera. I imagine a lot of people don't want to be shown.

Ken from Chicago

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Mar 20, 2012, 7:18:44 PM3/20/12
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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <jkaagg$8f2$2...@dont-email.me>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:anim8rfsk-78698...@news.easynews.com...
>> > In article
>> > <b045ce70-6d13-4f71...@vy9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mar 20, 12:54 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I saw the show for the very first time last night and it felt really
>> >> > scripted. Customers come in one at a time and they immediately go
>> >> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> > front counter to ask some questions.
>> >>
>> >> "Unscripted" is usually meant to mean no (or limited) dialogue. Often
>> >> senarios are plotted out.
>> >
>> > Certainly it's staged; people walk in the door and nobody even looks at
>> > the cameramen.
>>
>> How big are the cameras? Could they have simply edited out the scenes of
>> customers looking at the cameras? or was it just one continuous shot from
>> the door to counter?
>
> There's handheld stuff in multiple angles. There's clearly a couple of
> camera crews and lighting and microphones in plain sight.

Prolly so folks realize it is a tv show and not some nutcases with web and
security cams.

>> >> > First there was a woman looking for a birthday present for her
>> >> > boyfriend.
>> >> > They talked her into buying a very expensive Spider-Man back issues
>> >> > where
>> >> > Gwen Stacy was killed. (Lady, it has been reprinted countless times
>> >> > and you
>> >> > could find a copy of Marvel Tales at cover price.)
>> >
>> > That was so odd. He considers that the most romantic Spider-Man
>> > story??? Not to mention he left out the part where JMS retconned it so
>> > Gwen is a slut and the Goblin didn't kill her for any reason related to
>> > Spider-Man, but just to cover up the illegitimate kids she bore him.
>> >
>> > And the Goblin certainly didn't die; that's all been retconned as well.
>> >>
>> >> It's the thought that counts.
>> >>
>> >> > In any case, I don't think it's worth staying up for.
>> >>
>> >> Fair enough.
>> >
>> > I'd concur.
>>
>> Apparently the comic biz is slow if they only get one customer an hour.
>>
> More importantly, one at a time.
>
> Of course, comic book shops do tend to get a couple busy days (comics
> come in on a set day, and then the first weekend after that day) and are
> slow the rest of the time.

Yeah, sounds about right.

> Still it would be more interesting to watch these guys on comic book day
> when a mob descends on them!

Season finale.

-- Ken from Chicago

anim8rFSK

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Mar 20, 2012, 7:30:08 PM3/20/12
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In article <6i2im7p9p1pqevmtv...@4ax.com>,
Yeah. The show does skew heavily towards first time customers though,
and looking for collectibles. We don't see any bread and butter of the
regulars swarming in on Comic Book Day.

And I think the old guy (who is way younger than he looks) with the
silly beard is probably scripted; he asks questions that only somebody
that had never been in a comic book shop in his life would ask,
presumably for the audience's benefit.

anim8rFSK

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Mar 20, 2012, 7:43:46 PM3/20/12
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In article <jkb38n$68p$1...@dont-email.me>,
Okay, that was funny. :)

Ken from Chicago

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Mar 21, 2012, 5:59:44 AM3/21/12
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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <jkb38n$68p$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:anim8rfsk-BE5CD...@news.easynews.com...

<snip>

>> > Still it would be more interesting to watch these guys on comic book
>> > day
>> > when a mob descends on them!
>>
>> Season finale.
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> Okay, that was funny. :)

What?! Per Wikipedia and the AMC website, the season is only 6 episodes--and
last Sunday's ep was the season finale.

-- Ken from Chicago

Duggy

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Mar 21, 2012, 6:28:13 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 21, 7:59 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:anim8rfsk-DA001...@news.easynews.com...
>
> > In article <jkb38n$68...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>news:anim8rfsk-BE5CD...@news.easynews.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > Still it would be more interesting to watch these guys on comic book
> >> > day
> >> > when a mob descends on them!
>
> >> Season finale.
>
> >> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> > Okay, that was funny.  :)
>
> What?! Per Wikipedia and the AMC website, the season is only 6 episodes--and
> last Sunday's ep was the season finale.

Animator FSK seemed to think you were saying that the season finale
would have a mob descending on them as the cliffhanger ending.

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anim8rFSK

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Mar 21, 2012, 9:48:16 AM3/21/12
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In article <jkc8qj$iou$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:

> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:anim8rfsk-DA001...@news.easynews.com...
> > In article <jkb38n$68p$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:anim8rfsk-BE5CD...@news.easynews.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > Still it would be more interesting to watch these guys on comic book
> >> > day
> >> > when a mob descends on them!
> >>
> >> Season finale.
> >>
> >> -- Ken from Chicago
> >
> > Okay, that was funny. :)
>
> What?! Per Wikipedia and the AMC website, the season is only 6 episodes--and
> last Sunday's ep was the season finale.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago

Oh. I thought you were making a clever joke based on TWD where all AMC
season finales would entail a descending mob and ensuing wackiness.

Ken from Chicago

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Mar 21, 2012, 9:14:02 PM3/21/12
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"Duggy" <p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That's what I was suggesting, that the season finale would be on a busy
crowded day. I was checking to wikipedia to see when the season finale would
be to see what comics would be coming out around then when I found out we
already saw the season finale.

-- Ken from Chicago

Ken from Chicago

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I was. I thought the finale would feature them on a Wednesday when new
comics are released and a flood of customers would hit the store. That's why
I was checking wikipedia to see when the season finale would be and then I
was gonna check DC and Marvel's websites to see what comics / events would
be featured then. Instead I learned the above.

-- Ken from Chicago

anim8rFSK

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Mar 21, 2012, 9:54:57 PM3/21/12
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In article <jkdujv$qf7$1...@dont-email.me>,
Well shucks.

Duggy

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Mar 22, 2012, 8:07:04 PM3/22/12
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On Mar 22, 11:14 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Duggy" <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4eab4e8e-a77b-40a1...@wb9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 21, 7:59 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:anim8rfsk-DA001...@news.easynews.com...
>
> >> > In article <jkb38n$68...@dont-email.me>,
> >> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> "anim8rFSK" <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >>news:anim8rfsk-BE5CD...@news.easynews.com...
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> >> > Still it would be more interesting to watch these guys on comic book
> >> >> > day
> >> >> > when a mob descends on them!
>
> >> >> Season finale.
>
> >> >> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> >> > Okay, that was funny.  :)
>
> >> What?! Per Wikipedia and the AMC website, the season is only 6
> >> episodes--and
> >> last Sunday's ep was the season finale.
>
> > Animator FSK seemed to think you were saying that the season finale
> > would have a mob descending on them as the cliffhanger ending.

> That's what I was suggesting, that the season finale would be on a busy
> crowded day. I was checking to wikipedia to see when the season finale would
> be to see what comics would be coming out around then when I found out we
> already saw the season finale.

Then I find your reaction to Animator FSK's "that was funny"
confusing.

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Ken from Chicago

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Mar 23, 2012, 5:08:07 AM3/23/12
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"Duggy" <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
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My "What?!" was directed at Wikipedia and the show for having such a short
season with an anti-climatic season finale.

-- Ken from Chicago

Duggy

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Mar 23, 2012, 6:28:18 AM3/23/12
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On Mar 23, 7:08 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Duggy" <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
> My "What?!" was directed at Wikipedia and the show for having such a short
> season with an anti-climatic season finale.

That wasn't clear to me, and it seems it wasn't to Animator FSK
either.

The "What?!" probably could have gone after.

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anim8rFSK

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Mar 23, 2012, 10:30:38 AM3/23/12
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In article <jkhehr$fl5$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:

Duggy

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On Mar 24, 12:30 am, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <jkhehr$fl...@dont-email.me>,

> > >> >> > Okay, that was funny.  :)
> > >> >> What?! Per Wikipedia and the AMC website, the season is only 6
> > >> >> episodes--and
> > >> >> last Sunday's ep was the season finale.

> Okay, that was funny.  :)

What?! Per Wikipedia and the AMC website, the season is only 6
episodes--and
last Sunday's ep was the season finale.

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anim8rFSK

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