Fantastic 4 Trailer

[BTR1701]

So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.

Why is it that superhero movies can never seem to move past the whole
origin story thing? We already had a Fantastic 4 origin movie. Why not tell
a *different* story this time around?

https://amp.twimg.com/v/2e1f4187-bd31-4ca4-8924-b46b8fa442fa

[Ian J. Ball]

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 3:06:48 PM UTC-8, BTR1701 wrote:

> So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.

Who cares?!

Kate Mara >> Jessica Alba!! :D

[JRStern]

Yah, well, it's a good question, but then half the real juice in any
of these comic book deals is the origin, where the humdrum becomes
magical. After that it's all people in funny suits fighting with each
other.

J.

[Obveeus]

...which is just a fancy way of saying that after the origin story,
these spandex tales devolve into silliness that most people won't remain
interested in.

[BTR1701]

They can recast the roles without having to tell the same damn story all
over again.

[Invid Fan]

The web comic Shortpacked! (now ended) made the interesting point that
every Annie adaptation ends just as the fun story is starting. You
know, where Annie fights pirates and Nazis. Let's see that movie.

--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

[Ian J. Ball]

I wanna see the one where Annie gets beheaded by ISIS.

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<360086699444100291.0...@news.giganews.com>,

Plus, of course, Ian's wrong.

--
Wait - are you saying that ClodReamer was wrong, or lying?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <270120152145019876%in...@loclanet.com>,

That is interesting. Plus, you know, maybe she'll lose.

[A Friend]

In article
<1289445790444092677....@news.giganews.com>, BTR1701

I'm far from impressed. I agree about origin stories.

Around 1980 there was a guy named Ed Maha (I think) who reviewed movies
on public access TV in New York. Instead of using stars, he'd rate
films according to how much you'd be willing to pay to see it without
feeling ripped off. Since this was 35 years ago, the ratings went from
$5 down to $1, but the lowest rating was HBO.

This trailer leads me to rate this film FX.

[BTR1701]

anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article
> <360086699444100291.0...@news.giganews.com>,
> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> "Ian J. Ball" <ijb...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 3:06:48 PM UTC-8, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>
>>>> So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.
>>>
>>> Who cares?!
>>>
>>> Kate Mara >> Jessica Alba!! :D
>>
>> They can recast the roles without having to tell the same damn story all
>> over again.
>
> Plus, of course, Ian's wrong.

Goes without saying at this point, doesn't it?

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<732888428444112310.1...@news.giganews.com>,

"For those that just joined us"

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<732888428444112310.1...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

just when you thought it couldn't get worse:

"The sneak peek shows Jamie Bell (Ben Grimm/The Thing), Michael B.
Jordan (Johnny Storm/Human Torch), Kate Mara (Susan Storm/Invisible
Woman) and Miles Teller (Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic) transforming from
ordinary humans to superheroes after they teleport to an alternate and
dangerous universe."

wtf?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <ed0ab77d-6eb2-4b6a...@googlegroups.com>,

"Ian J. Ball" <ijb...@mac.com> wrote:

http://www.andymangels.com/HeMan_DVD_Web/Isis_l.jpg

[trotsky]

I agree 100%. We don't need to see Superman's origin 100 times, for
example.

[moviePig]

... i.e., where the magical becomes humdrum.

--

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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com

[Ian J. Ball]

In article
<732888428444112310.1...@news.giganews.com>,
BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

Not this time, I'm not!! :p :p


Ian (Kate Mara = happiness!!! :> )

--
"He's not just a driver - he's a transporter." - Juliette Dubois
(Delphine Chaneac) in "Harvest", "Transporter: The Series" (11-10-2014)

[Ed Stasiak]

> trotsky

>
> I agree 100%. We don't need to see Superman's origin 100 times, for example.

Spiderman is headed towards its third incarnation and the (5) movie franchise is only 13 ears old...

[moviePig]

The Japanese have 47 RONIN. Americans have a guy who's (not) bitten by
a spider...

[Obveeus]

With the most common problem being that the superhero needs a super
villain with comparable powers, thus continually amping up the stakes
until they are so over the top...

...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.

[Obveeus]

On 1/28/2015 9:49 AM, Ed Stasiak wrote:

Spidey is up for the challenge:
http://mforum2.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=854341

[Alan Smithee]

On 01/28/2015 01:19 AM, anim8rFSK wrote:
> just when you thought it couldn't get worse:

When it comes to TV/movies I *never* think that. Who does???

> "The sneak peek shows Jamie Bell (Ben Grimm/The Thing), Michael B.
> Jordan (Johnny Storm/Human Torch), Kate Mara (Susan Storm/Invisible
> Woman) and Miles Teller (Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic) transforming from
> ordinary humans to superheroes after they teleport to an alternate and
> dangerous universe."
>
> wtf?

Every writer has to put his own spin on something. No matter how pointless.
Last time Doc Doom got powers.

[Alan Smithee]

Makes "Wonder Woman" look like a classic!

[Alan Smithee]

But those are dog ears, so it's even older. :-D

The Spider-Man series needs to be overhauled, TOTALLY. Even Sony
dislikes Garfield in the role.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <maau9a$6uq$2...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> On 1/28/2015 8:51 AM, moviePig wrote:
> > On 1/27/2015 7:20 PM, Obveeus wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/27/2015 6:42 PM, JRStern wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:06:45 -0600, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why is it that superhero movies can never seem to move past the whole
> >>>> origin story thing? We already had a Fantastic 4 origin movie. Why
> >>>> not tell
> >>>> a *different* story this time around?
> >>>>
> >>>> https://amp.twimg.com/v/2e1f4187-bd31-4ca4-8924-b46b8fa442fa
> >>>
> >>> Yah, well, it's a good question, but then half the real juice in any
> >>> of these comic book deals is the origin, where the humdrum becomes
> >>> magical. After that it's all people in funny suits fighting with each
> >>> other.
> >>
> >> ...which is just a fancy way of saying that after the origin story,
> >> these spandex tales devolve into silliness that most people won't remain
> >> interested in.
> >
> > ... i.e., where the magical becomes humdrum.
>
> With the most common problem being that the superhero needs a super
> villain with comparable powers, thus continually amping up the stakes
> until they are so over the top...

But instead of doing the FF origin every time, and, for cripes sake, the
Doctor Doom origin every time, how about bringing in a new villain, and
do HIS origin instead of the FFs?

>
> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <49968c8d-cb7d-434c...@googlegroups.com>,

That's Disney for you.

[shawn]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:59:20 -0500, moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>On 1/28/2015 9:49 AM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> trotsky
>>>
>>> I agree 100%. We don't need to see Superman's origin 100 times, for example.
>>
>> Spiderman is headed towards its third incarnation and the (5) movie franchise is only 13 ears old...
>
>The Japanese have 47 RONIN. Americans have a guy who's (not) bitten by
>a spider...

They also have plenty of Kaiju while we have the Incredible Hulk.

[shawn]

You would think the authorities would develop prisons that could
actually hold on to these characters. Hell, keep them sedated 24 hours
a day if that's what is needed to keep them locked up. Given the
amount of death and destruction they cause it shouldn't be too hard to
convince the authorities it's for the best of all concerned.

[Ubiquitous]

atr...@mac.com wrote:

>So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.
>

>https://amp.twimg.com/v/2e1f4187-bd31-4ca4-8924-b46b8fa442fa

At last! A movie Spiderman 3 can mock!!

--
The old Soviet leaders had it right. Our destruction comes from within:
Moochers, parasites, and Obama.

[Invid Fan]

In article <anim8rfsk-5D4B7...@news.easynews.com>,

anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <49968c8d-cb7d-434c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > trotsky
> > >
> > > I agree 100%. We don't need to see Superman's origin 100 times, for
> > > example.
> >
> > Spiderman is headed towards its third incarnation and the (5) movie
> > franchise
> > is only 13 ears old...
>
> That's Disney for you.

Yeah, not having the rights to a character does that.

[Invid Fan]

In article <maau9a$6uq$2...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.

The Batman movies tend to kill the bad guys off, both onscreen and off.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <nd7icaduue4773jv6...@4ax.com>,

Yeah, that's what I was thinking with the Pied Piper. Rather than let
him keep painkilling tech, I'd have given him all the morphine he wanted
and let him have at it.

[Bill Steele]

On 1/28/15 6:49 AM, trotsky wrote:
> We don't need to see Superman's origin 100 times, for example.

Even in the comics they've had to revise it a bit, when he gets a new
power or a new relative.

[Obveeus]

Wasn't that the plot of DEMOLITION MAN?

[Obveeus]

On 1/28/2015 1:06 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <maau9a$6uq$2...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
>> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.
>
> The Batman movies tend to kill the bad guys off, both onscreen and off.

So how many of Penguin, Joker, Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Scarecrow,
Bane, CatWoman, etc... are dead?

[JRStern]

I have not the foggiest idea, however I imagine several are retired
now in Miami and Santa Monica.

J.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <mab990$qrk$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>

And TekWar.

[shawn]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:00:53 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:

It worked in both cases. The 'bad guys' only got out when someone let
them out.

[Jim G.]

shawn sent the following on 01/28/2015 at 11:36 AM:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:13:16 -0500, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/28/2015 8:51 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 1/27/2015 7:20 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/27/2015 6:42 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...which is just a fancy way of saying that after the origin story,
>>>> these spandex tales devolve into silliness that most people won't remain
>>>> interested in.
>>>
>>> ... i.e., where the magical becomes humdrum.
>>
>> With the most common problem being that the superhero needs a super
>> villain with comparable powers, thus continually amping up the stakes
>> until they are so over the top...
>>
>> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
>> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.
>
> You would think the authorities would develop prisons that could
> actually hold on to these characters.

Peter Parker was working on something like that when the whole
Spider-verse thing kind of distracted him.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"You cannot make yourself a verb!" -- Lana Kane, ARCHER

[BTR1701]

In article <1hdicap2v098f3b6r...@4ax.com>,

Pretty sure I saw the Joker down on the pier last week.

[Michael Black]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, anim8rFSK wrote:

> In article
> <732888428444112310.1...@news.giganews.com>,
> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>

>> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> In article

>>> <360086699444100291.0...@news.giganews.com>,
>>> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>> "Ian J. Ball" <ijb...@mac.com> wrote:

>>>>> On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 3:06:48 PM UTC-8, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.
>>>>>

>>>>> Who cares?!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kate Mara >> Jessica Alba!! :D
>>>>
>>>> They can recast the roles without having to tell the same damn story all
>>>> over again.
>>>
>>> Plus, of course, Ian's wrong.
>>
>> Goes without saying at this point, doesn't it?
>

> just when you thought it couldn't get worse:
>

> "The sneak peek shows Jamie Bell (Ben Grimm/The Thing), Michael B.
> Jordan (Johnny Storm/Human Torch), Kate Mara (Susan Storm/Invisible
> Woman) and Miles Teller (Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic) transforming from
> ordinary humans to superheroes after they teleport to an alternate and
> dangerous universe."
>
> wtf?
>

That sounds like a SUperman type scenario. Go to an alternatve planet (do
you really teleport?) and gain superpowers, just like SUperman gets his
from the yellow sun (or is it that he loses power under a red sun?)

Someone wsa too busy watching tv as a kid to read comic books and get the
origins right.

Michael

[Obveeus]

Translation: it failed in both cases.

[Michael Black]

Are you talking about Alfred Bester's book "The Demolished Man"?

But it wsa his "The Stars My Destination" that had the underground prison.

Michael

[Alan Smithee]

So much for being the sole survivor of krap-ton.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <4hhica1h1dv4rsjet...@4ax.com>,

IIRC, in both cases they put the prisoner in orbit for the length of his
sentence and then sent him back to a world where he knew nobody and had
no skills and his only possible recourse was to go back to his life of
crime, which is incredibly stupid. I think that in Demolition Man they
at least whispered 'be a good boy' in their ears the whole time.

[Invid Fan]

In article <mab9go$rqa$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

We have one Joker dead onscreen and another with a dead actor. Penguin
died in Batman Returns. Two-Face dies in both his appearances. Bane
dies in the most recent film.

[David Johnston]

On 1/28/2015 8:13 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>
>
> On 1/28/2015 8:51 AM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 1/27/2015 7:20 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/27/2015 6:42 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:06:45 -0600, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So it looks like we get to watch the origin story all over again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that superhero movies can never seem to move past the whole
>>>>> origin story thing? We already had a Fantastic 4 origin movie. Why
>>>>> not tell
>>>>> a *different* story this time around?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://amp.twimg.com/v/2e1f4187-bd31-4ca4-8924-b46b8fa442fa
>>>>
>>>> Yah, well, it's a good question, but then half the real juice in any
>>>> of these comic book deals is the origin, where the humdrum becomes
>>>> magical. After that it's all people in funny suits fighting with each
>>>> other.
>>>
>>> ...which is just a fancy way of saying that after the origin story,
>>> these spandex tales devolve into silliness that most people won't remain
>>> interested in.
>>
>> ... i.e., where the magical becomes humdrum.
>
> With the most common problem being that the superhero needs a super
> villain with comparable powers, thus continually amping up the stakes
> until they are so over the top...
>

> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.

Not in the movies. In the movies the villains rarely get out alive
because the writers know that they aren't going to need them again. In
the comics of course killing a villain can actually reduce the time
until you'll see them again.

[Obveeus]

On 1/28/2015 9:29 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <mab9go$rqa$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/28/2015 1:06 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
>>> In article <maau9a$6uq$2...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
>>>> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.
>>>
>>> The Batman movies tend to kill the bad guys off, both onscreen and off.
>>
>> So how many of Penguin, Joker, Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Scarecrow,
>> Bane, CatWoman, etc... are dead?
>>
> We have one Joker dead onscreen and another with a dead actor. Penguin
> died in Batman Returns. Two-Face dies in both his appearances. Bane
> dies in the most recent film.

So, Joker and Two-Face at least both coming back after being dead? That
sort of fits into the category of 'coming back again and again'.

[Obveeus]

I think that DEMOLITION MAN also had them learning valuable job skills
while asleep...like knitting.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <madetf$433$3...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>

And they are released into a world where all restaurants are cilantro
ridden. I'd be cutting off people's hands too.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <madblh$nl3$3...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>

Riddler and Catwoman each die in their first appearance on the Batman 66
TV series.

[Invid Fan]

In article <madblh$nl3$3...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>

But they do kill them, and they don't reappear until a new Batman has
been cast. The comment I was replying to was about superheroes not
killing the bad guys.

[Obveeus]

But then you are simply back to the first half of the equation where the
studios just keep recycling the origin story over and over again.

[David Johnston]

On 1/28/2015 7:29 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <mab9go$rqa$1...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/28/2015 1:06 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
>>> In article <maau9a$6uq$2...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...and, of course, the stupid spandex characters almost never actually
>>>> kill the bad guys, so they keep coming back again and again.
>>>
>>> The Batman movies tend to kill the bad guys off, both onscreen and off.
>>
>> So how many of Penguin, Joker, Riddler, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Scarecrow,
>> Bane, CatWoman, etc... are dead?
>>
> We have one Joker dead onscreen and another with a dead actor. Penguin
> died in Batman Returns. Two-Face dies in both his appearances. Bane
> dies in the most recent film.
>

Catwoman died too. So did Schreck.

[Obveeus]

Puss n Boots and Donkey will be so disappointed.