On the subject of races we met a very interesting
one in the Hussnok. They were in TNG for only
one episode but they seemed like an interesting
race, and surely they would be as powerful or
equal to in power to the Q.
I know the Borg could never touch Q's race
but what about the Hussnok and are there any
others they could not deal with, besides of
course Species 8742, which we already know
about.
John
BTW, which episode were the Hussnok shown? Don't remember them.
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It's mixed up. We never saw the Hussnok because they weren't the omnipotent
race. They were the race utterly destroyed by one member of the Douwd.
The only Douwd we've seen was one specimen. He loved a Human woman and
masqueraded as a Human so he could marry her. They lived on a colony out in
the fringes, and were repeatedly attacked by this aggressive race called the
Hussnok (although I thought he pronounced it "Hussnark"). After a few
battles, his wife decided to join in the fight. The Douwd himself was
something of a pacifist, and refused to fight. When she was killed in
battle, the Douwd got so angry he killed all the Hussnok. Not the ones
attacking the colony, but all Hussnok, all across the galaxy, instantly.
So, yeah, he's pretty powerful. I'm sure if he decided he didn't like the
Borg, they'd be all gone too.
This was a 3rd season TNG episode, but the name escapes me. I'm sure
someone will provide it.
Crew finds a planet completely devoid of life except for his little 10x10.
Riker gets caught in lasso style trap.
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But I still think the Dowd could kick both Borg butt
and Q
that was 'the surviors'. i wish i remembered more of those eps :( i was
still in high school when they first aired and i can't remember much before
season 4 :)
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*Breen
*Prophets (and Pah Wraiths)
BTW I'd really love to see what a Tribble-drone looks like.
>
> BTW I'd really love to see what a Tribble-drone looks like.
>
ROFL.
That's made my night. I'm off to bed.
V.
The cool thing is, they'd only have to assimilate one, and they'd have a
whole cubeful of them in no time.
Season 3 was my favorite.
interesting thing is, in another thread we are discussing what guinan might be
capable of...
perhaps she is also a douwd, masquerading as el-aurian/al-eurian?
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Obake wrote:
> that was 'the surviors'. i wish i remembered more of those eps :( i was
> still in high school when they first aired and i can't remember much before
> season 4 :)
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The Breen were pretty useless once star ships were adjusted to their
weapons, the Dominion only allied with them because the Federation now had a
chance after the Romulan alliance. (might have to watch the last 3-4 DS9
seasons again actually....)
Damo
My response was in relation to the Borg. The Borg cannot assimilate the
Breen because the Breen have no blood.
> Damo
>
>
>
I think when I put all the TNG eps in order from best to worst (for
me) some time after AGT... it turned out that season 3 was my
favourite too!
I mean look:
Allegiance
The Offspring
Menage a Troi
Captain's Holiday
Booby Trap
Trasfigurations
The Best Of Both Worlds
The Most Toys
The Enemy
*Tin Man*
**YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE**
Deja Q
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Maybe they have a circulating liquid polymer!?! Maybe they are
entirely made out of water!?! We don't know (noone knows (except maybe
Kira and Dukat) as to what a Breen looks like underneath those
refridgeration suits) Which is good, cause It sucked when they
revealed what the Gaim looked like on B5.
I would say that the Borg wouldn't be too thrilled on assimilating any
Pakleds!
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"AndrewR" <s348712@student_SPAM_.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
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bah, you just made up a list of you favourite season 3 episodes, because you
can't seriously NOT have 'inner light' on your list?!
Actually fans or somesuch, I think were going
to market them but Paramount stepped in and
the idea got canned.
There reasoning being that if it wasn't onscreen or
in print that it was not "cannon" and therefore could
not be licensed...
> >*Tin Man*
> >**YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE**
> >Deja Q
>
> bah, you just made up a list of you favourite season 3 episodes, because
you
> can't seriously NOT have 'inner light' on your list?!
Actually I think "Inner Light" is overrated.
Marco
Species that are more powerful (in some way) than the Borg:
First of all, us humans seem to be pretty resistant :) Especially humans on
pesky little starships with a female captain ;)
I'd bet the Organians can kick an ass or two. They paralized an entire
sector in that TOS episode. Another race from TOS that could well be far
stronger than the Borg is the First Federation. Are their bubble ships
larger than a Cube?
In TNG "The Survivors", we met the Husnock, who had sent out a ship and
destroyed a Federation colony. Unfortunately for them, one of the
colonists was a Douwd in human disguise. When his human wife was killed,
he got angry and willed the entire Husnock race into instant death.
So the Douwds are the Q-like race here. Still, I think the Husnock made
a strong showing, too - the Douwd recreated an image of their ship to
fool the Enterprise, and that ship was big, powerful, and had the kind
of invulnerable "faceted" shields that the Borg drones sported throughout
TNG.
The death of the Husnock race must have left quite a power vacuum in
the quadrant - they were said to have been spread over a wide volume,
and in great numbers. Although the volume was not specified, I think
the number of dead was estimated. Was it in billions or trillions?
The Feds seem to number in trillions.
Timo Saloniemi
The nanoprobes could be released directly into the flesh-equivalent,
though. And even if not, it would be an easy matter for the Borg to
destroy the Breen, instead of assimilating them. They would have that
dampening field to repulse the first attacks (unless the Borg got its
secrets by assimilating a Fed or Klingon ship first), but the Borg
would adapt. And the "standard" tech of the Breen does not seem too
impressive - their shields aren't exceptionally strong, their ships
not exceptionally fast, their blasters not exceptionally powerful.
They have good pilots, though, so perhaps they could dodge the tractor
beams for a while... Wouldn't help their planets, however.
Timo Saloniemi
> In article <mQ1H7.319550$bY5.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au> "Jason Dean" <jde...@bigpond.net.au> writes:
> >I imagine the Borg would have a hard time with The Founders. The problem
> >with our assessment with the Borg's chances is that we know a lot about the
> >assimilation procedures and not a lot about The Founders' physiology.
> >
> >BTW, which episode were the Hussnok shown? Don't remember them.
>
> In TNG "The Survivors", we met the Husnock, who had sent
> out a ship and destroyed a Federation colony. Unfortunately
> for them, one of the colonists was a Douwd in human disguise.
> When his human wife was killed, he got angry and willed the
> entire Husnock race into instant death.
And how was it that their music box thingy did odd things to
Counselor Troi?
> So the Douwds are the Q-like race here. Still, I think the
> Husnock made a strong showing, too - the Douwd recreated an
> image of their ship to fool the Enterprise, and that ship was
> big, powerful, and had the kind of invulnerable "faceted"
> shields that the Borg drones sported throughout TNG.
Makes you wonder if the Borg didn't assimilate the technology
from them before they were extinct hey?
> The death of the Husnock race must have left quite a
> power vacuum in the quadrant - they were said to have
> been spread over a wide volume, and in great numbers.
> Although the volume was not specified, I think the
> number of dead was estimated. Was it in billions or
> trillions? The Feds seem to number in trillions.
>
> Timo Saloniemi
And how do you think a a battle between Douwd and Q would go?
>> >BTW, which episode were the Hussnok shown? Don't remember them.
>>
>> In TNG "The Survivors", we met the Husnock, who had sent
>> out a ship and destroyed a Federation colony. Unfortunately
>> for them, one of the colonists was a Douwd in human disguise.
>> When his human wife was killed, he got angry and willed the
>> entire Husnock race into instant death.
>And how was it that their music box thingy did odd things to
>Counselor Troi?
I don't think it was the hidden source of the Douwd's powers
or anything. The Douwd simply used the melody as the first thing
that came to his mind when he realized he'd have to jam Troi's
mindreading abilities in order to succeed in his charade. The
box was most probably destroyed along with the house in the
Husnock attack, after all.
>> So the Douwds are the Q-like race here. Still, I think the
>> Husnock made a strong showing, too - the Douwd recreated an
>> image of their ship to fool the Enterprise, and that ship was
>> big, powerful, and had the kind of invulnerable "faceted"
>> shields that the Borg drones sported throughout TNG.
>Makes you wonder if the Borg didn't assimilate the technology
>from them before they were extinct hey?
Yeah - take the strongest armor from the victim's big battleships,
and transform it into a flak jacket for the drones!
>> The death of the Husnock race must have left quite a
>> power vacuum in the quadrant - they were said to have
>> been spread over a wide volume, and in great numbers.
>> Although the volume was not specified, I think the
>> number of dead was estimated. Was it in billions or
>> trillions? The Feds seem to number in trillions.
>And how do you think a a battle between Douwd and Q would go?
Depends on whether one can defend against the Douwd weapon at
all, and whether it can really reach all the Q at once. Since
the Q travel freely in time, they could undo any damage the Douwd
would be able to inflict, but only if the Douwd didn't manage
to strike preemptively at all the Q at once.
Even if the Douwd can affect an entire galaxy, that doesn't mean
they can reach the Q continuum. And they certainly would have
trouble reaching those Q who happen to be in the past at the
time... (if such a concept even exists!)
Timo Saloniemi
oooo! maybe the absence of the husnock and their military might even allowed
the borg to *spread* faster without the counterbalancing might and opposition
the H provided?
the H might have been the wall that prevented the borg from overrunning our
area of space even earlier....
Kevin : "No no no no no, you don't understand the scope of my crime.
I didn't kill just one Husnok, or a hundred or a thousand.
I killed them all. All Husnock... everywhere. Are eleven
thousand people worth fifty billion? Is the love of a woman
worth the destruction an entire species? This is the sin I
tried so hard to keep you from learning of. Why I wanted to
chase you from Rana."
Still one of the most chilling scenes in Trek history.
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2. Q didn't like Guinan's El-Aurians folk. kinda afraid of them.
don't know why. Borg took El-Aurians out - in fact i wonder if the Q
didn't set that up....
3. Borg are a bit dumb, i doubt they would aviod any species until
they got their nose bloodied badly, like they did with the alternate
universe species #8472.
the Dinosauriod Voths seemed to aviod Borg with ease. the Q might be
able to play with them though.
the Caretaker seem indifferent to the Borg. and was near Douwd in
power, although like the Douwd of limited sensing ability and no trime
travel ability.
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Yes but as you see in "the survivor" one single Douwd can
kill off an entire race with a single thought so why not the
Q.
>From what I gather it was a deliberate act of will in that
he thought it and it came to pass.
John
Indeed,
so I think one of them could do serious damage to the Q
agreed.. and the actor did a supurb job of projecting his grief and sadness...
and also chilling, picards final log line... "all i know for sure is that he
should be left... alone"
J D Leister wrote:
> I know the Borg could never touch Q's race
> but what about the Hussnok and are there any
> others they could not deal with, besides of
> course Species 8742, which we already know
> about.
Raises an interesting Question. Are the children of Borg, Borg? i.e. if 7 of
9 were to have a child, would that child be borg in nature?
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But hang on, in "ST:First Contact" didn't the Queen Borg try to assimilate Data?
Or was that why she gave him some real flesh, so that he needed some blood and
could therefore be assimilated?
I doubt two Borg could have a child, really. If they are connected to the
Collective, they would be forbidden from having one. If they are not
connected, they are no longer Borg themselves. The kid oughtn't have
any nanoprobes in his or her blood - the placenta ought to take care of
that, or if some sort of technological sidestepping was used, the
doctors responsible would filter out the nanoprobes.
Biologically, a Borg is simply a humanoid assimilated from any number
of species. So far, we haven't been shown a Borg drone that would not
have come to being through assimilation - even Hugh and the infants seen
in "Q Who?" could have been assimilees. Seven derided human procreation
as inefficient in episodes like "Drone", stating more or less clearly
that the Borg do not do things that way.
In theory, any ex-Borg could have a child with another ex-Borg, given
a little medical assistance. All non-Borgified humanoids seem to have
the potential for interspecies procreation, after all. Borgification
may remove the genitals or the testicles/ovaries or the womb, but
reinstalling or replacing them ought to be a simple enough matter for
Federation's medical wizardy. A DNA sample from the male's blood seems
to be enough for fertilization of a female, or at least Seska thought
so. Probably the female ova could also be discarded in favor
of a DNA sample, provided the Trek scientists have learned how to
get regular cells to diversify like stem cells. And using an artificial
womb should be easy enough. So male-male or female-female children
ought to be possible, too. Or kids with more than two parents, for that
matter.
Seven could probably still have children the usual way - at least we
never really learned otherwise. Picard did claim there would be no more
Picards when his brother died, but he may simply have been unwilling
instead of unable to procreate. And the Borg need not necessarily be
the reason if he indeed had lost the ability to have kids. Or perhaps
Jean-Luc had simply made a promise to go matrilinear for some reason,
and didn't want to break that promise, so his kids would not be Picards?
Timo Saloniemi
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> I doubt two Borg could have a child, really. If they are connected to the
> Collective, they would be forbidden from having one. If they are not
> connected, they are no longer Borg themselves. The kid oughtn't have
> any nanoprobes in his or her blood - the placenta ought to take care of
> that, or if some sort of technological sidestepping was used, the
> doctors responsible would filter out the nanoprobes.
Actually you know you are a teeny tiny bit wrong.
In "Q Who" when they transported to the Borg ship Riker
found a cute little Borg bubby in a humidicrib.....
They stated that Borg start out as babies and integration
to electronics begins almost immediately.....
John
No she was trying to get him to join the Collective willingly, because the
codes in his neural network cannot be forcibly removed (or some similar
technobabble reason.) She gave him flesh in order to help him fulfil his
goal to become more human, in exchange for joining the collective.
>> I doubt two Borg could have a child, really. If they are connected to the
>> Collective, they would be forbidden from having one. If they are not
>> connected, they are no longer Borg themselves. The kid oughtn't have
>> any nanoprobes in his or her blood - the placenta ought to take care of
>> that, or if some sort of technological sidestepping was used, the
>> doctors responsible would filter out the nanoprobes.
>Actually you know you are a teeny tiny bit wrong.
Me? Never! :-P
>In "Q Who" when they transported to the Borg ship Riker
>found a cute little Borg bubby in a humidicrib.....
>
>They stated that Borg start out as babies and integration
>to electronics begins almost immediately.....
They also stated that the Borg were not interested in people, only
in technology. They were dead wrong on that one, too. ;-)
I trust that in light of later evidence (like 7 of 9 insisting
that the Borg do not reproduce in the inefficient human manner),
those babies were in fact realized to have been victims of
early-age assimilation... Probably fresh harvest from planet J-25
or something. The Borg do assimilate kids, as was evidenced by
7 of 9 herself, and by the Borgy Bunch of juveniles introduced in
VOY "Collective".
Timo Saloniemi
Perhaps the Borg reproduce by some sort of cloning procedure. Something along
the lines of Brave New World, maybe?
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That depends on whether the Borg are simply wanting to create more drones,
or if they actually want to enhance themselves. Going with the latter, Id
imagine some complex 'breeding program', something like enhanced evolution,
in which the Borg combine genetic material from 'succesful' species.
>How could you put Menage a Troi and Captain's Holiday above Best of Both
>Worlds and Yesterday's Enterprise? BTW, what are the ***s?
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Ummmmm - read the post - that is NOT an 'in order' list - it is just a
number of GOOD *SEASON 3* episodes. Sheesh.
YES - I'm ONLY talking Season 3 - OK, maybe I wasn't clear - but my
LIST of all 178 episodes didn't just have all season 3 at the top! I'm
saying that when I worked out which season AVERAGED better than all
the others - SEASON 3 came out on top... there were of course episodes
like The Inner Light and I, Borg in the Top 10. But overall season 3
had the highest number of GREAT episodes. Season 6 would come in for
the overall most consistantly good season.
Andrew
The whole sentiment of the scene in "Generations" is that Picard
has realised he has "fewer days ahead than behind". I'd just assumed
he was accepting he was never going to marry & have children - the
thought of Locutus the Eunoch... ouch! ;-)
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But there is or rather was a story going around trekdom
that said he had a "bobbit" done to him.....
This is based on he dialogue and events in "Q Who."
Q says they are neither male or female....
So did Jean Luc get "De Balled?"
Either way when he got back Beverly probably gave him
new bits and she'd have LOVED to do that......
Wouldn't Federation medicine be able to fix that, though? Hell, we're a
decade or two away from being able to fix bodies at that level ourselves...
>> The whole sentiment of the scene in "Generations" is that Picard
>> has realised he has "fewer days ahead than behind". I'd just assumed
>> he was accepting he was never going to marry & have children - the
>> thought of Locutus the Eunoch... ouch! ;-)
>But there is or rather was a story going around trekdom
>that said he had a "bobbit" done to him.....
>This is based on he dialogue and events in "Q Who."
>Q says they are neither male or female....
>So did Jean Luc get "De Balled?"
Alternately, the Borg could simply have added a few bits, so that
Picard would no longer be "merely" male. The Borg aim for perfection,
don't they? ;)
>Either way when he got back Beverly probably gave him
>new bits and she'd have LOVED to do that......
I do wonder about the hobby projects of 24th century doctors.
Given their proven proficiency in turning a human into a Klingon,
or a Cardassian into a Bajoran, the possibilities must be endless...
Timo Saloniemi