[via Tor.com] 2017 Hugo Finalists announced

[Peter Trei]

[Via Tor.com]
http://www.tor.com/2017/04/04/2017-hugo-award-finalists-announced/

Best Novel (2078 ballots)

All the Birds in the Sky by Charlie Jane Anders (Tor Books / Titan Books)
A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers (Hodder & Stoughton / Harper Voyager US)
Death’s End by Cixin Liu (Tor Books / Head of Zeus)
Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee (Solaris Books)
The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin (Orbit Books)
Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer (Tor Books)

Best Novella (1410 ballots)

The Ballad of Black Tom by Victor LaValle (Tor.com Publishing)
The Dream-Quest of Vellitt Boe by Kij Johnson (Tor.com Publishing)
Every Heart a Doorway by Seanan McGuire (Tor.com Publishing)
Penric and the Shaman by Lois McMaster Bujold (Spectrum Literary Agency)
A Taste of Honey by Kai Ashante Wilson (Tor.com Publishing)
This Census-Taker by China Miéville (Del Rey / Picador)

Best Novelette (1097 ballots)

Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock (self-published)
“The Art of Space Travel” by Nina Allan (Tor.com, July 2016)
“The Jewel and Her Lapidary” by Fran Wilde (Tor.com Publishing, May 2016)
“The Tomato Thief” by Ursula Vernon (Apex Magazine, January 2016)
“Touring with the Alien” by Carolyn Ives Gilman (Clarkesworld Magazine, April 2016)
“You’ll Surely Drown Here If You Stay” by Alyssa Wong (Uncanny Magazine, May 2016)

Best Short Story (1275 ballots)

“The City Born Great” by N. K. Jemisin (Tor.com, September 2016)
“A Fist of Permutations in Lightning and Wildflowers” by Alyssa Wong (Tor.com, March 2016)
“Our Talons Can Crush Galaxies” by Brooke Bolander (Uncanny Magazine, November 2016)
“Seasons of Glass and Iron” by Amal El-Mohtar (The Starlit Wood: New Fairy Tales, Saga Press)
“That Game We Played During the War” by Carrie Vaughn (Tor.com, March 2016)
“An Unimaginable Light” by John C. Wright (God, Robot, Castalia House)

Best Related Work (1122 ballots)

The Geek Feminist Revolution by Kameron Hurley (Tor Books)
The Princess Diarist by Carrie Fisher (Blue Rider Press)
Traveler of Worlds: Conversations with Robert Silverberg by Robert Silverberg and Alvaro Zinos-Amaro (Fairwood)
The View From the Cheap Seats by Neil Gaiman (William Morrow / Harper Collins)
“The Women of Harry Potter” posts by Sarah Gailey (Tor.com)
Words Are My Matter: Writings About Life and Books, 2000-2016 by Ursula K. Le Guin (Small Beer)

Best Graphic Story (842 ballots)

Black Panther, Volume 1: A Nation Under Our Feet, written by Ta-Nehisi Coates, illustrated by Brian Stelfreeze (Marvel)
Monstress, Volume 1: Awakening, written by Marjorie Liu, illustrated by Sana Takeda (Image)
Ms. Marvel, Volume 5: Super Famous, written by G. Willow Wilson, illustrated by Takeshi Miyazawa (Marvel)
Paper Girls, Volume 1, written by Brian K. Vaughan, illustrated by Cliff Chiang, colored by Matthew Wilson, lettered by Jared Fletcher (Image)
Saga, Volume 6, illustrated by Fiona Staples, written by Brian K. Vaughan, lettered by Fonografiks (Image)
The Vision, Volume 1: Little Worse Than A Man, written by Tom King, illustrated by Gabriel Hernandez Walta (Marvel)

Best Dramatic Presentation – Long Form (1733 ballots)

Arrival, screenplay by Eric Heisserer based on a short story by Ted Chiang, directed by Denis Villeneuve (21 Laps Entertainment/FilmNation Entertainment/Lava Bear Films)
Deadpool, screenplay by Rhett Reese & Paul Wernick, directed by Tim Miller (Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation/Marvel Entertainment/Kinberg Genre/The Donners’ Company/TSG Entertainment)
Ghostbusters, screenplay by Katie Dippold & Paul Feig, directed by Paul Feig (Columbia Pictures/LStar Capital/Village Roadshow Pictures/Pascal Pictures/Feigco Entertainment/Ghostcorps/The Montecito Picture Company)
Hidden Figures, screenplay by Allison Schroeder and Theodore Melfi, directed by Theodore Melfi (Fox 2000 Pictures/Chernin Entertainment/Levantine Films/TSG Entertainment)
Rogue One, screenplay by Chris Weitz and Tony Gilroy, directed by Gareth Edwards (Lucasfilm/Allison Shearmur Productions/Black Hangar Studios/Stereo D/Walt Disney Pictures)
Stranger Things, Season One, created by the Duffer Brothers (21 Laps Entertainment/Monkey Massacre)

Best Dramatic Presentation – Short Form (1159 ballots)

Black Mirror: “San Junipero”, written by Charlie Brooker, directed by Owen Harris (House of Tomorrow)
Doctor Who: “The Return of Doctor Mysterio”, written by Steven Moffat, directed by Ed Bazalgette (BBC Cymru Wales)
The Expanse: “Leviathan Wakes”, written by Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostby, directed by Terry McDonough (SyFy)
Game of Thrones: “Battle of the Bastards”, written by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss, directed by Miguel Sapochnik (HBO)
Game of Thrones: “The Door”, written by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss, directed by Jack Bender (HBO)
Splendor & Misery [album], by Clipping (Daveed Diggs, William Hutson, Jonathan Snipes)

Best Editor – Short Form (951 ballots)

John Joseph Adams
Neil Clarke
Ellen Datlow
Jonathan Strahan
Lynne M. Thomas & Michael Damian Thomas
Sheila Williams

Best Editor – Long Form (752 ballots)

Vox Day
Sheila E. Gilbert
Liz Gorinsky
Devi Pillai
Miriam Weinberg
Navah Wolfe

Best Professional Artist (817 ballots)

Galen Dara
Julie Dillon
Chris McGrath
Victo Ngai
John Picacio
Sana Takeda

Best Semiprozine (857 ballots)

Beneath Ceaseless Skies, editor-in-chief and publisher Scott H. Andrews
Cirsova Heroic Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine, edited by P. Alexander
GigaNotoSaurus, edited by Rashida J. Smith
Strange Horizons, edited by Niall Harrison, Catherine Krahe, Vajra Chandrasekera, Vanessa Rose Phin, Li Chua, Aishwarya Subramanian, Tim Moore, Anaea Lay, and the Strange Horizons staff
Uncanny Magazine, edited by Lynne M. Thomas & Michael Damian Thomas, Michi Trota, Julia Rios, and podcast produced by Erika Ensign & Steven Schapansky
The Book Smugglers, edited by Ana Grilo and Thea James

Best Fanzine (610 ballots)

“Castalia House Blog”, edited by Jeffro Johnson
“Journey Planet”, edited by James Bacon, Chris Garcia, Esther MacCallum-Stewart, Helena Nash, Errick Nunnally, Pádraig Ó Méalóid, Chuck Serface, and Erin Underwood
“Lady Business”, edited by Clare, Ira, Jodie, KJ, Renay, and Susan
“nerds of a feather, flock together”, edited by The G, Vance Kotrla, and Joe Sherry
“Rocket Stack Rank”, edited by Greg Hullender and Eric Wong
“SF Bluestocking”, edited by Bridget McKinney

Best Fancast (690 ballots)

The Coode Street Podcast, presented by Gary K. Wolfe and Jonathan Strahan
Ditch Diggers, presented by Mur Lafferty and Matt Wallace
Fangirl Happy Hour, presented by Ana Grilo and Renay Williams
Galactic Suburbia, presented by Alisa Krasnostein, Alexandra Pierce and Tansy Rayner Roberts, produced by Andrew Finch
The Rageaholic, presented by RazörFist
Tea and Jeopardy, presented by Emma Newman with Peter Newman

Best Fan Writer (802 ballots)

Mike Glyer
Jeffro Johnson
Natalie Luhrs
Foz Meadows
Abigail Nussbaum
Chuck Tingle

Best Fan Artist (528 ballots)

Ninni Aalto
Alex Garner
Vesa Lehtimäki
Likhain (M. Sereno)
Spring Schoenhuth
Mansik Yang

Best Series (1393 votes)

The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper Voyager UK)
The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold (Baen)

John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer (937 ballots)

Sarah Gailey (1st year of eligibility)
J. Mulrooney (1st year of eligibility)
Malka Older (2nd year of eligibility)
Ada Palmer (1st year of eligibility)
Laurie Penny (2nd year of eligibility)
Kelly Robson (2nd year of eligibility)

[Carl Fink]

Wow. 3 stories I've read, and 3 authors I like in that whole long list.
(Yes, I know it's the short list.) I'm so out of touch.
--
Carl Fink nitpi...@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations!
Stupid mistakes you can correct!

[Lynn McGuire]

On 4/4/2017 2:42 PM, Peter Trei wrote:
>
> [Via Tor.com]
> http://www.tor.com/2017/04/04/2017-hugo-award-finalists-announced/
>
> Best Novel (2078 ballots)
>
> All the Birds in the Sky by Charlie Jane Anders (Tor Books / Titan Books)
> A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers (Hodder & Stoughton / Harper Voyager US)
> Death’s End by Cixin Liu (Tor Books / Head of Zeus)
> Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee (Solaris Books)
> The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin (Orbit Books)
> Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer (Tor Books)

Bummer, _We Are Legion_ by Dennis Taylor was passed on. I'll bet that they did not consider self published books.
https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680323/

Lynn

[Stephen Graham]

On 4/4/2017 1:25 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> Bummer, _We Are Legion_ by Dennis Taylor was passed on. I'll bet that
> they did not consider self published books.
> https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680323/

We haven't seen the long list of all works nominated. It might be on
that. On the other hand, as usual, if you want something to appear on
the list, become a supporting member of one of the qualifying WorldCons
and vote.

[Default User]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 2:42:54 PM UTC-5, Peter Trei wrote:

> Best Novel (2078 ballots)

> A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers

The past several years I've been shut out having read the nominees, but I literally just finished this one. I read the final chapters last night.


Brian

[Ahasuerus]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 4:25:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
[snip]

> Bummer, _We Are Legion_ by Dennis Taylor was passed on. I'll bet
> that they did not consider self published books.
> https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680323/

As per above:

[Chris Buckley]

On 2017-04-04, Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Via Tor.com]
> http://www.tor.com/2017/04/04/2017-hugo-award-finalists-announced/
>
> Best Novel (2078 ballots)
>
> All the Birds in the Sky by Charlie Jane Anders (Tor Books / Titan Books)
> A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers (Hodder & Stoughton / Harper Voyager US)
> Death’s End by Cixin Liu (Tor Books / Head of Zeus)
> Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee (Solaris Books)
> The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin (Orbit Books)
> Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer (Tor Books)

I've read 4 of the novels. _Ninefox Gambit_ is the best of the four
(IMO) - Hugo quality in almost any year. _The Obelisk Gate_ is good,
but the first in the trilogy was better I thought. _Death's End_ is
the last book of a trilogy by a Chinese author that was quite
interesting in large part because of the heavy Chinese social and
historical influence - a very different outlook on motives. Highly
original ideas, but the prose takes some getting used to. I was
disappointed in the Chambers; the first in the series was a very
decent book; not award quality, but good. _A Closed and Common Orbit_
didn't really have anything interesting to say.

> Best Series (1393 votes)
>
> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper Voyager UK)
> The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold (Baen)

I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would expect Bujold
to win, but I would be happy with any of her, Gladstone or McGuire. Novik
I've read but don't think an award is deserved; the other two I haven't read.

Chris

[David Goldfarb]

In article <slrnoe7u8v...@panix1.panix.com>,

Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>Wow. 3 stories I've read, and 3 authors I like in that whole long list.
>(Yes, I know it's the short list.) I'm so out of touch.

For my part, I've already read five of the six novels, with the sixth
(_Death's End_) on my list. Ranking _Ninefox Gambit_, _The Obelisk Gate_,
_Too Like the Lightning_, and _A Closed and Common Orbit_ is going to
be a challenge. I do know that _All the Birds in the Sky_ is going
below those four (not to diss it, it's just less to my taste than
the others) and feel it very likely that the Liu will also. Although
I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised on that front.

This is not really the place for buzz anymore. If you want
recommendations, especially of recent stuff, I'd suggest you start
hanging out at file770.com.

--
David Goldfarb |"I suppose an idiot plot is better than
goldf...@gmail.com | no plot at all."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Katie Schwarz

[David Goldfarb]

In article <9b4b5b3e-e2e5-4afb...@googlegroups.com>,

"Stix Hiscock" had the advantage that Ted Beale was looking for
something to use to troll. (Cf. Chuck Tingle last year.)
Dennis Taylor didn't.

_We Are Legion_ was (I'm assuming) perfectly eligible; it just
didn't reach a wide audience among Worldcon members.

[Moriarty]

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 5:42:54 AM UTC+10, Peter Trei wrote:
> [Via Tor.com]
> http://www.tor.com/2017/04/04/2017-hugo-award-finalists-announced/
>

<snips>

> Best Novelette (1097 ballots)
>
> Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock (self-published)

Egads! The gay dinosaur porn genre is a growth market!

> Best Short Story (1275 ballots)

> “An Unimaginable Light” by John C. Wright (God, Robot, Castalia House)

> Best Editor – Long Form (752 ballots)
>
> Vox Day

> Best Fanzine (610 ballots)
>
> “Castalia House Blog”, edited by Jeffro Johnson

> Best Fan Writer (802 ballots)

> Chuck Tingle

I'm guessing all those are Puppy entries? Did I miss any?

-Moriarty

[Robert Woodward]

In article <22032749-a65c-49f5...@googlegroups.com>,

Actually, Tingle was not a Rabid Puppy recommendation. BTW, the diseased
one, for what ever reason, listed Mieville's novela and Niel Gaiman's
_The View from the Cheap Seats_. There were other recommendation as well
that made the final ballot (he generally recommended only 1 entry per
category and I think the only ones he missed out were Best Novel, Best
Editor-Short form, Best Dramatic Presentation-Short form, and
Professional artist).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robe...@drizzle.com

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote in
news:onwzs...@kithrup.com:

> In article <9b4b5b3e-e2e5-4afb...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 4:25:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>[snip]
>>> Bummer, _We Are Legion_ by Dennis Taylor was passed on. I'll bet
>>> that they did not consider self published books.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680323/
>>
>>As per above:
>>
>>Best Novelette (1097 ballots)
>>
>>Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock
>>(self-published)
>
> "Stix Hiscock" had the advantage that Ted Beale was looking for
> something to use to troll. (Cf. Chuck Tingle last year.)
> Dennis Taylor didn't.

Isn't this the first year where the rules changes were supposed to
render the various Puppies penis-less?

There is _nothing_ about that is *not* funny.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in
news:22032749-a65c-49f5...@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 5:42:54 AM UTC+10, Peter Trei
> wrote:
>> [Via Tor.com]
>> http://www.tor.com/2017/04/04/2017-hugo-award-finalists-announce
>> d/
>>
>
> <snips>
>
>> Best Novelette (1097 ballots)
>>
>> Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix
>> Hiscock (self-p
> ublished)
>
> Egads! The gay dinosaur porn genre is a growth market!

That's what she said. Or he said, as the case may be.

[Peter Trei]

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 1:21:37 AM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote in
> news:onwzs...@kithrup.com:
>
> > In article <9b4b5b3e-e2e5-4afb...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >>On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 4:25:37 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>[snip]
> >>> Bummer, _We Are Legion_ by Dennis Taylor was passed on. I'll bet
> >>> that they did not consider self published books.
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/We-Are-Legion-Bob-Bobiverse/dp/1680680323/
> >>
> >>As per above:
> >>
> >>Best Novelette (1097 ballots)
> >>
> >>Alien Stripper Boned From Behind By The T-Rex by Stix Hiscock
> >>(self-published)
> >
> > "Stix Hiscock" had the advantage that Ted Beale was looking for
> > something to use to troll. (Cf. Chuck Tingle last year.)
> > Dennis Taylor didn't.
>
> Isn't this the first year where the rules changes were supposed to
> render the various Puppies penis-less?
>
> There is _nothing_ about that is *not* funny.

Hey, its got laser-equipped boobies and an average 4.5/5 rating on
Amazon.

What's not to like?

pt

[Ahasuerus]

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:45:04 PM UTC-4, David Goldfarb wrote:
[snip]

> _We Are Legion_ was (I'm assuming) perfectly eligible; it just
> didn't reach a wide audience among Worldcon members.

I read the free excerpt available on Amazon some time ago.

The SF premise was potentially interesting. The execution was a bit
below the standard professional level, but it was serviceable.

[Robert Bannister]

On 5/4/17 8:48 am, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2017-04-04, Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [Via Tor.com]
>> http://www.tor.com/2017/04/04/2017-hugo-award-finalists-announced/
>>
>> Best Novel (2078 ballots)
>>
>> All the Birds in the Sky by Charlie Jane Anders (Tor Books / Titan Books)
>> A Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers (Hodder & Stoughton / Harper Voyager US)
>> Death’s End by Cixin Liu (Tor Books / Head of Zeus)
>> Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee (Solaris Books)
>> The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemisin (Orbit Books)
>> Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer (Tor Books)
>
> I've read 4 of the novels. _Ninefox Gambit_ is the best of the four
> (IMO) - Hugo quality in almost any year. _The Obelisk Gate_ is good,
> but the first in the trilogy was better I thought. _Death's End_ is
> the last book of a trilogy by a Chinese author that was quite
> interesting in large part because of the heavy Chinese social and
> historical influence - a very different outlook on motives. Highly
> original ideas, but the prose takes some getting used to. I was
> disappointed in the Chambers; the first in the series was a very
> decent book; not award quality, but good. _A Closed and Common Orbit_
> didn't really have anything interesting to say.

I thought it was interesting when it was comparing the different way a
human child and an AI learned things, but I agree, it didn't go much
beyond that. It was still an enjoyable novel.

>
>
>> Best Series (1393 votes)
>>
>> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
>> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
>> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
>> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
>> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper Voyager UK)
>> The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold (Baen)
>
> I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would expect Bujold
> to win, but I would be happy with any of her, Gladstone or McGuire. Novik
> I've read but don't think an award is deserved; the other two I haven't read.
>
> Chris
>

--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972

[J. Clarke]

In article <ekieh3...@mid.individual.net>, gra...@speakeasy.net
says...

One of the best novelette entries is self-published.

Out of all of that, all I have seen is some of the dramatic works and a
couple of the series.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote in
news:slrnoe8fp...@video.sabir.com:

>
>> Best Series (1393 votes)
>>
>> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
>> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
>> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
>> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben
>> Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
>> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper
>> Voyager UK) The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> (Baen)
>
> I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would
> expect Bujold to win, but I would be happy with any of her,
> Gladstone or McGuire. Novik I've read but don't think an award
> is deserved; the other two I haven't read.
>

I'd certainly be happy with Bujold, but The Expanse is of equal
quality, if of more limited overall appeal (being hard sf by people
who have a clue, and being very, very dark).

[Peter Trei]

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:33:01 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote in
> news:slrnoe8fp...@video.sabir.com:
> >
> >> Best Series (1393 votes)
> >>
> >> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
> >> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
> >> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
> >> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben
> >> Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
> >> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper
> >> Voyager UK) The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
> >> (Baen)
> >
> > I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would
> > expect Bujold to win, but I would be happy with any of her,
> > Gladstone or McGuire. Novik I've read but don't think an award
> > is deserved; the other two I haven't read.
> >
> I'd certainly be happy with Bujold, but The Expanse is of equal
> quality, if of more limited overall appeal (being hard sf by people
> who have a clue, and being very, very dark).

A bit off topic for rasfw, but...

Virtually every current SFF TV series I've seen lately qualifies as
'very, very dark'. While I'm not looking for laff-a-minute comedy, what
out there is 'fun' which I could watch, while waiting for 'People of
Earth' to return?

pt

[Scott Lurndal]

Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
>On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:33:01 PM UTC-4, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote in
>> news:slrnoe8fp...@video.sabir.com:
>> >
>> >> Best Series (1393 votes)
>> >>
>> >> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
>> >> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
>> >> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
>> >> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben
>> >> Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
>> >> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper
>> >> Voyager UK) The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> >> (Baen)
>> >
>> > I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would
>> > expect Bujold to win, but I would be happy with any of her,
>> > Gladstone or McGuire. Novik I've read but don't think an award
>> > is deserved; the other two I haven't read.
>> >
>> I'd certainly be happy with Bujold, but The Expanse is of equal
>> quality, if of more limited overall appeal (being hard sf by people
>> who have a clue, and being very, very dark).
>
>A bit off topic for rasfw, but...
>
>Virtually every current SFF TV series I've seen lately qualifies as
>'very, very dark'.

They're dark both in content and cinematography, which is annoying
to older eyes :-)

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5347b6a8-b316-48a3...@googlegroups.com:

> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:33:01 PM UTC-4, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote in
>> news:slrnoe8fp...@video.sabir.com:
>> >
>> >> Best Series (1393 votes)
>> >>
>> >> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
>> >> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
>> >> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
>> >> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben
>> >> Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
>> >> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper
>> >> Voyager UK) The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>> >> (Baen)
>> >
>> > I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would
>> > expect Bujold to win, but I would be happy with any of her,
>> > Gladstone or McGuire. Novik I've read but don't think an
>> > award is deserved; the other two I haven't read.
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>> I'd certainly be happy with Bujold, but The Expanse is of equal
>> quality, if of more limited overall appeal (being hard sf by
>> people who have a clue, and being very, very dark).
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> Virtually every current SFF TV series I've seen lately qualifies
> as 'very, very dark'.

Quite a lot of non-SFF TV shows do, too. It's the current trend.
But while that's apparently quite popular on TV, my impression is
that it's a smaller market in books than stuff with more upbeat
themes.

> While I'm not looking for laff-a-minute
> comedy, what out there is 'fun' which I could watch,

I dunno. Big Bang Theory has lost most of its shine. Last Man
Standing? But then, most television has _always_ sucked.

> while
> waiting for 'People of Earth' to return?
>

Season 2 has been confirmed, but I find no start date. Can't say I
think much of the parts about the humans, but the aliens are
hilarious enough to make up for it.

[Scott Lurndal]

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:5347b6a8-b316-48a3...@googlegroups.com:

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>> Virtually every current SFF TV series I've seen lately qualifies
>> as 'very, very dark'.
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>Quite a lot of non-SFF TV shows do, too. It's the current trend.
>But while that's apparently quite popular on TV, my impression is
>that it's a smaller market in books than stuff with more upbeat
>themes.
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>> While I'm not looking for laff-a-minute
>> comedy, what out there is 'fun' which I could watch,
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>I dunno. Big Bang Theory has lost most of its shine.

Did it _ever_ have shine? I found it juvenile and not
particularly funny.

[Robert Carnegie]

Well, the good news may be the prospect of another
writers' strike :-)

_Doctor Who_ is coming around again, but each
episode tends to be a horror story with multiple
deaths and a top-up of nightmare fuel. Not every
time - but mostly.

I'm watching a lot of re-run series, which you
may have access to - _Star Trek: The Jumpsuit
Generation_, _Danger Mouse_, _Clangers_ - really.

[Lynn McGuire]

I turned my tv contrast to "vivid" which helps these old eyes.

Lynn

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[Robert Carnegie]

Lately - yes, but Tiny Clanger has more musical
versatility. If not so many orchestra / "promenade"
concerts (I think just one).

[-dsr-]

Supergirl is practically light-hearted.

I quite liked 'Travelers', which is on Netflix and a Canadian channel,
Showcase. It's actual SF, with three or four decent major twists. Time
travel in a mode reminiscent of Varley's Millenium. The first season
notably does not wrap up major mysteries, but the second season is
being produced.

Netflix also has the complete run of 'Limitless', which explores
superintelligence. The first couple of episodes are edgy thrillers, and
then it settles down into comedy/procedural.

-dsr-

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
news:DGuFA.279695$u84.2...@fx35.iad:

Yeah, that, too.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> wrote in
news:slrnoedeoa.b...@randomstring.org:

In the same way that makes grown ups want to punch stupid teenagers
in the face, yeah. Couldn't stand more than about two episodes.
What an annoying bunch of whiners.

[Juho Julkunen]

In article <XnsA74F61255C2...@69.16.179.42>,
taus...@gmail.com says...

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> Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote in
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> >> Best Series (1393 votes)
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> >> The Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone (Tor Books)
> >> The Expanse by James S.A. Corey (Orbit US / Orbit UK)
> >> The October Daye Books by Seanan McGuire (DAW / Corsair)
> >> The Peter Grant / Rivers of London series by Ben
> >> Aaronovitch (Gollancz / Del Rey / DAW / Subterranean)
> >> The Temeraire series by Naomi Novik (Del Rey / Harper
> >> Voyager UK) The Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
> >> (Baen)
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> > I'm not sure what the criteria for series should be. I would
> > expect Bujold to win, but I would be happy with any of her,
> > Gladstone or McGuire. Novik I've read but don't think an award
> > is deserved; the other two I haven't read.
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> I'd certainly be happy with Bujold, but The Expanse is of equal
> quality, if of more limited overall appeal (being hard sf by people
> who have a clue, and being very, very dark).

I haven't found it that dark. I don't really do dark, but The Expanse
has suited me just fine so far.

--
Juho Julkunen

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.3350f72fa...@news.kolumbus.fi:

How far have you gotten into the series? The last two books,
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has a body count of, what, over ten billion? That's not dark?

[Juho Julkunen]

In article <XnsA74FA4EDEBB...@69.16.179.43>,
taus...@gmail.com says...

Not that far, yet. I kinda stalled after the second novel, rather
disappointed that it was pretty much a repeat of the first one, to the
point that characters commented on it. Admittedly, it does eventually
set up more interesting potential for the third one. I expect I'll get
there, eventually. I may change my view then.

I don't find bodycount in itself makes a work dark, it's more the
presentation and what the author focuses on, to me.

--
Juho Julkunen

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:MPG.33511abe2...@news.kolumbus.fi:

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Eros. If that's no dark, you are one sick puppy.

> I kinda stalled after the second novel,
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> Admittedly, it does eventually set up more interesting potential
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The third one it gets . . . weird.

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> I don't find bodycount in itself makes a work dark, it's more
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So the genocidal experiment on Eros was puppies and sunshine?

[Juho Julkunen]

In article <XnsA74FC6B0EE0...@69.16.179.43>,

taus...@gmail.com says...
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> >> > In article <XnsA74F61255C2...@69.16.179.42>,
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Eros was nasty business, yeah. But large-scale death and disaster is
sufficiently common in SF that I didn't think it pushed it to "very,
very dark" territory. Being deliberate corporate evil rather than, say,
a natural disaster does move it further towards the dark, I suppose.

It's possible that I have gotten a little jaded over the years.

--
Juho Julkunen

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Juho Julkunen <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:MPG.335202c12...@news.kolumbus.fi:

> It's possible that I have gotten a little jaded over the years.
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I think you might be onto something there.