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Default User
Sep 22, 2016, 6:00:00 PM9/22/16
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In my thread requesting recommendations, I had mentioned this book by Becky Chambers as a "possible".
<http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22733729-the-long-way-to-a-small-angry-planet>
Searching through the newsgroup, I saw a few mentions, mostly by Brian Scott. I was curious if anyone else had read it and if so what their opinions were.
One thing I note is that it is "Wayfarers #1". If that means a series of separate books in a specific background (maybe some arcs), then that's fine.
When books are actually taking several books to tell a specific story, then I prefer to wait until it's complete. Example, I waited until all three of the Ancillary books were published until I started those.
Brian
<http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22733729-the-long-way-to-a-small-angry-planet>
Searching through the newsgroup, I saw a few mentions, mostly by Brian Scott. I was curious if anyone else had read it and if so what their opinions were.
One thing I note is that it is "Wayfarers #1". If that means a series of separate books in a specific background (maybe some arcs), then that's fine.
When books are actually taking several books to tell a specific story, then I prefer to wait until it's complete. Example, I waited until all three of the Ancillary books were published until I started those.
Brian
Brian M. Scott
Sep 22, 2016, 7:23:15 PM9/22/16
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Default User
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
in<news:ed0252d9-c308-4cfb...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
> In my thread requesting recommendations, I had mentioned
> this book by Becky Chambers as a "possible".
> <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22733729-the-long-way-to-a-small-angry-planet>
> Searching through the newsgroup, I saw a few mentions,
> mostly by Brian Scott. I was curious if anyone else had
> read it and if so what their opinions were.
> One thing I note is that it is "Wayfarers #1". If that
> means a series of separate books in a specific
> background (maybe some arcs), then that's fine.
Take a look at the relevant page of her website:
<http://www.otherscribbles.com/books>
Her intention appears to be to explore the ‘lives of the
everyday people (human and otherwise) living within’ her
future universe. The second book, _A Closed and Common
Orbit_, apparently begins around the time the first book
ends but is a standalone sequel that ‘branches out to
explore new characters and new corners of the galaxy’.
> When books are actually taking several books to tell a
> specific story, then I prefer to wait until it's
> complete. Example, I waited until all three of the
> Ancillary books were published until I started those.
I think that you’re safe on that score.
By the way, I’ve not read Valente’s _Radiance_, but the bit
shown in the Amazon LookInside and the comments in some of
the reviews combine with my own experience with other books
of hers to make me think that it’s a ‘liver and spinach’
book: people will probably tend either to love it or to
hate it. I’ve needed quite a bit of fairly light reading
recently, so I put it on the back burner and then forgot
about it, but I’m seriously considering getting it now that
you’ve reminded me.
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
in<news:ed0252d9-c308-4cfb...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
> In my thread requesting recommendations, I had mentioned
> this book by Becky Chambers as a "possible".
> <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22733729-the-long-way-to-a-small-angry-planet>
> Searching through the newsgroup, I saw a few mentions,
> mostly by Brian Scott. I was curious if anyone else had
> read it and if so what their opinions were.
> One thing I note is that it is "Wayfarers #1". If that
> means a series of separate books in a specific
> background (maybe some arcs), then that's fine.
<http://www.otherscribbles.com/books>
Her intention appears to be to explore the ‘lives of the
everyday people (human and otherwise) living within’ her
future universe. The second book, _A Closed and Common
Orbit_, apparently begins around the time the first book
ends but is a standalone sequel that ‘branches out to
explore new characters and new corners of the galaxy’.
> When books are actually taking several books to tell a
> specific story, then I prefer to wait until it's
> complete. Example, I waited until all three of the
> Ancillary books were published until I started those.
By the way, I’ve not read Valente’s _Radiance_, but the bit
shown in the Amazon LookInside and the comments in some of
the reviews combine with my own experience with other books
of hers to make me think that it’s a ‘liver and spinach’
book: people will probably tend either to love it or to
hate it. I’ve needed quite a bit of fairly light reading
recently, so I put it on the back burner and then forgot
about it, but I’m seriously considering getting it now that
you’ve reminded me.
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
Default User
Sep 22, 2016, 8:08:26 PM9/22/16
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On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 6:23:15 PM UTC-5, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> Her intention appears to be to explore the ‘lives of the
> everyday people (human and otherwise) living within’ her
> future universe. The second book, _A Closed and Common
> Orbit_, apparently begins around the time the first book
> ends but is a standalone sequel that ‘branches out to
> explore new characters and new corners of the galaxy’.
That sounds good. I like sort of thing.
> Her intention appears to be to explore the ‘lives of the
> everyday people (human and otherwise) living within’ her
> future universe. The second book, _A Closed and Common
> Orbit_, apparently begins around the time the first book
> ends but is a standalone sequel that ‘branches out to
> explore new characters and new corners of the galaxy’.
> By the way, I’ve not read Valente’s _Radiance_, but the bit
> shown in the Amazon LookInside and the comments in some of
> the reviews combine with my own experience with other books
> of hers to make me think that it’s a ‘liver and spinach’
> book: people will probably tend either to love it or to
> hate it.
Brian
Robert Bannister
Sep 22, 2016, 10:28:18 PM9/22/16
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opera mystery set in a Hollywood—and solar system—very different from
our own". I'm not at all sure what "decopunk pulp" means, but I was
impressed by this review: "This science fiction book, which is not
really a science fiction book, tells a story, which is not really a
story that is part tone poem, part pulp novel, part experimental
romance, and parts of many other things. In fact it's not really a book
is it? Just pieces of one."
I'm still not convinced I want to read it yet.
--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972
Joe Bernstein
Sep 22, 2016, 10:47:45 PM9/22/16
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On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 7:28:18 PM UTC-7, Robert Bannister
wrote:
[Catherynne Valente's <Radiance>]
> At Goodreads, I saw "Radiance is a decopunk pulp SF alt-history space
> opera mystery set in a Hollywood—and solar system—very different from
> our own". I'm not at all sure what "decopunk pulp" means, but I was
> impressed by this review: "This science fiction book, which is not
> really a science fiction book, tells a story, which is not really a
> story that is part tone poem, part pulp novel, part experimental
> romance, and parts of many other things. In fact it's not really a book
> is it? Just pieces of one."
That's much better wording for that sort of book of hers than I came
up with for my first log. And hoo boy, my *first* log? I've got a
lot of catching up on her to do.
Joe Bernstein
--
Joe Bernstein, writer and tax preparer <j...@sfbooks.com>
wrote:
[Catherynne Valente's <Radiance>]
> At Goodreads, I saw "Radiance is a decopunk pulp SF alt-history space
> opera mystery set in a Hollywood—and solar system—very different from
> our own". I'm not at all sure what "decopunk pulp" means, but I was
> impressed by this review: "This science fiction book, which is not
> really a science fiction book, tells a story, which is not really a
> story that is part tone poem, part pulp novel, part experimental
> romance, and parts of many other things. In fact it's not really a book
> is it? Just pieces of one."
up with for my first log. And hoo boy, my *first* log? I've got a
lot of catching up on her to do.
Joe Bernstein
--
Joe Bernstein, writer and tax preparer <j...@sfbooks.com>
Default User
Sep 23, 2016, 12:00:44 AM9/23/16
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Well, I can get the Valente at the public library, so I can check it out and if it's not to my taste then nothing lost but a bit of reading time.
Brian
Brian
Titus G
Sep 23, 2016, 2:07:13 AM9/23/16
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On 23/09/16 09:59, Default User wrote:
Subject The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet
snip
when in preparation for the third, I think your preference is a sound
policy.
Game of Thrones. GRR martin
The tv series has overtaken my interest in the books and I have heard
that there are differences so I will not be reading any more.
Kingkiller Chronicle. Patrick Rothfuss
Once, I was desperate for the third book but my interest has waned. I
enjoy his writing and will buy it if it is published before I am
incapacitated by aging.
The Final Fall of Man. Andrew Hindle.
I didn't know that this was an 8 book story until I had read a few. They
are just great Science Fiction as well as having complex characters,
brilliant structure, humour which doesn't interfere with the seriousness
of the plot or horrific events. I finished book 5 before 6 was published
and have bought it but might wait till I have 7 and 8 before starting
it. I might not.
Subject The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet
snip
> When books are actually taking several books to tell a specific
> story, then I prefer to wait until it's complete. Example, I waited
> until all three of the Ancillary books were published until I started
> those.
Although in that case I had the pleasure of re-reading the first two
> story, then I prefer to wait until it's complete. Example, I waited
> until all three of the Ancillary books were published until I started
> those.
when in preparation for the third, I think your preference is a sound
policy.
Game of Thrones. GRR martin
The tv series has overtaken my interest in the books and I have heard
that there are differences so I will not be reading any more.
Kingkiller Chronicle. Patrick Rothfuss
Once, I was desperate for the third book but my interest has waned. I
enjoy his writing and will buy it if it is published before I am
incapacitated by aging.
The Final Fall of Man. Andrew Hindle.
I didn't know that this was an 8 book story until I had read a few. They
are just great Science Fiction as well as having complex characters,
brilliant structure, humour which doesn't interfere with the seriousness
of the plot or horrific events. I finished book 5 before 6 was published
and have bought it but might wait till I have 7 and 8 before starting
it. I might not.
Brian M. Scott
Sep 23, 2016, 3:49:16 AM9/23/16
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT), Default User
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
in<news:1a5feb08-4d9b-4c19...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> Some of these "alternate Solar System" stories appeal to
> me. I mentioned the anthologies "Old Mars" and "Old
> Venus" in another thread, and those have stories of that
> sort.
If you’ve not already read them, you might want to take a
look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_ and _In
the Courts of the Crimson Kings_, set respectively on a
Venus and Mars from older science fiction. From
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._M._Stirling_bibliography#The_Lords_of_Creation>:
What if Mars and Venus really were habitable and
inhabited, as in many SF stories from the early sixties
and before? In this alternate history series Mars and
Venus were terraformed a long time ago and "seeded"
with Earth life, including several different human
species. On Earth everything is the same until the start
of space exploration, but then the Cold War dampens
down into a real, collaborative space race which
overtakes the military budgets of both superpowers.
This is accurate enough, but the emphasis is misleading:
the alternate history is pretty carefully worked out in the
background, but the books themselves are much more about
events on the old Venus and old Mars. The second can be
read and enjoyed without the first, but they should be read
in order.
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
in<news:1a5feb08-4d9b-4c19...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> Some of these "alternate Solar System" stories appeal to
> me. I mentioned the anthologies "Old Mars" and "Old
> Venus" in another thread, and those have stories of that
> sort.
look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_ and _In
the Courts of the Crimson Kings_, set respectively on a
Venus and Mars from older science fiction. From
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._M._Stirling_bibliography#The_Lords_of_Creation>:
What if Mars and Venus really were habitable and
inhabited, as in many SF stories from the early sixties
and before? In this alternate history series Mars and
Venus were terraformed a long time ago and "seeded"
with Earth life, including several different human
species. On Earth everything is the same until the start
of space exploration, but then the Cold War dampens
down into a real, collaborative space race which
overtakes the military budgets of both superpowers.
This is accurate enough, but the emphasis is misleading:
the alternate history is pretty carefully worked out in the
background, but the books themselves are much more about
events on the old Venus and old Mars. The second can be
read and enjoyed without the first, but they should be read
in order.
Quadibloc
Sep 23, 2016, 10:36:29 AM9/23/16
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On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 1:49:16 AM UTC-6, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> If you’ve not already read them, you might want to take a
> look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_
I thought that was a book by Brinsley LePoer Trench!
> If you’ve not already read them, you might want to take a
> look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_
John Savard
Robert Carnegie
Sep 23, 2016, 4:21:29 PM9/23/16
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Deco
Which - with "pulp" in the recipe as well - makes me
/want/ to mention _Flash Gordon_ - the original comic
strip and film serials - however misleading it is
to do so!
Robert Bannister
Sep 23, 2016, 9:38:43 PM9/23/16
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On 23/09/2016 2:07 PM, Titus G wrote:
> On 23/09/16 09:59, Default User wrote:
> Subject The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet
> snip
>> When books are actually taking several books to tell a specific
>> story, then I prefer to wait until it's complete. Example, I waited
>> until all three of the Ancillary books were published until I started
>> those.
>
> Although in that case I had the pleasure of re-reading the first two
> when in preparation for the third, I think your preference is a sound
> policy.
>
> Game of Thrones. GRR martin
> The tv series has overtaken my interest in the books and I have heard
> that there are differences so I will not be reading any more.
>
> Kingkiller Chronicle. Patrick Rothfuss
> Once, I was desperate for the third book but my interest has waned. I
> enjoy his writing and will buy it if it is published before I am
> incapacitated by aging.
I have similar feelings about both of the authors above. I am so pissed
> On 23/09/16 09:59, Default User wrote:
> Subject The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet
> snip
>> When books are actually taking several books to tell a specific
>> story, then I prefer to wait until it's complete. Example, I waited
>> until all three of the Ancillary books were published until I started
>> those.
>
> Although in that case I had the pleasure of re-reading the first two
> when in preparation for the third, I think your preference is a sound
> policy.
>
> Game of Thrones. GRR martin
> The tv series has overtaken my interest in the books and I have heard
> that there are differences so I will not be reading any more.
>
> Kingkiller Chronicle. Patrick Rothfuss
> Once, I was desperate for the third book but my interest has waned. I
> enjoy his writing and will buy it if it is published before I am
> incapacitated by aging.
off at the delay in publishing Martin's final book that I may not even
buy the DVD of the final series either (I have been putting it off anyway).
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 24, 2016, 11:15:03 AM9/24/16
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In article <e4m3ou...@mid.individual.net>,
What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher decides the
first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and declines to publish
the next one(s)?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and declines to publish
the next one(s)?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Don Bruder
Sep 24, 2016, 11:42:50 AM9/24/16
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In article <oE0KG...@kithrup.com>,
Dunno. Not sure that's what happened with Cherryh's "Finistere" set (so
far, "Rider at the Gate" and "Cloud's Rider"), but it screams, it cries,
it begs and wails for at least a third, "finish-up" volume to tie up the
loose ends that were obviously left for a third volume. I keep hoping to
hear/see something about it, but it's as if the whole thing "fell off
the map".
--
Brought to you by the letter K and the number .357
Security provided by Horace S. & Dan W.
far, "Rider at the Gate" and "Cloud's Rider"), but it screams, it cries,
it begs and wails for at least a third, "finish-up" volume to tie up the
loose ends that were obviously left for a third volume. I keep hoping to
hear/see something about it, but it's as if the whole thing "fell off
the map".
--
Brought to you by the letter K and the number .357
Security provided by Horace S. & Dan W.
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 24, 2016, 12:15:13 PM9/24/16
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Martine-Barnes's _The Dragon Rises_. It's called _The Lion
Wakes,_ and frankly, it's not as good as the first, which may be
why it was never published. The Lion's archetype is Tristram, as
the Dragon's was (inter alia) Arthur. Adrienne told me that the
third volume's title was going to be _The Serpent Dances_, and
the main character was to be Alvellaina's cousin, the
non-telepathic "hidden Flame." But she didn't tell me who her
archetype would be, and now we'll never know.
Robert Bannister
Sep 24, 2016, 8:49:57 PM9/24/16
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If you're the author, it must be worse.
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 24, 2016, 9:30:12 PM9/24/16
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David Goldfarb
Sep 25, 2016, 2:30:03 AM9/25/16
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In article <e4m3ou...@mid.individual.net>,
--
David Goldfarb |"Think of me as a brief electromagnetic anomaly
goldf...@gmail.com | who told you some true things for your own good."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Babylon 5, "Day of the Dead"
Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>I am so pissed
>off at the delay in publishing Martin's final book that I may not even
>buy the DVD of the final series either (I have been putting it off anyway).
By all accounts Martin has at least two books left to publish.
>I am so pissed
>off at the delay in publishing Martin's final book that I may not even
>buy the DVD of the final series either (I have been putting it off anyway).
--
David Goldfarb |"Think of me as a brief electromagnetic anomaly
goldf...@gmail.com | who told you some true things for your own good."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Babylon 5, "Day of the Dead"
Brian M. Scott
Sep 25, 2016, 2:53:53 AM9/25/16
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:02:29 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oE0KG...@kithrup.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher
> decides the first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and
> declines to publish the next one(s)?
Nowadays quite a few self-publish. For instance, Kelly
Meding self-published the last two volumes of her Dreg City
hexalogy. I don’t whether she had to do so or simply chose
to do so, but Alma Alexander self-published the fourth
volume of her Worldweavers trilogy-turned-tetralogy.
There are also quite a few who are doing some
self-publishing while also publishing in the traditional
way: Ilona Andrews, Devon Monk, Rachel Aaron, Joel
Shepherd, Seanan McGuire, Lisa Mantchev, ...
<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in<news:oE0KG...@kithrup.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher
> decides the first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and
> declines to publish the next one(s)?
Meding self-published the last two volumes of her Dreg City
hexalogy. I don’t whether she had to do so or simply chose
to do so, but Alma Alexander self-published the fourth
volume of her Worldweavers trilogy-turned-tetralogy.
There are also quite a few who are doing some
self-publishing while also publishing in the traditional
way: Ilona Andrews, Devon Monk, Rachel Aaron, Joel
Shepherd, Seanan McGuire, Lisa Mantchev, ...
Michael R N Dolbear
Sep 25, 2016, 12:18:26 PM9/25/16
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"Robert Bannister" wrote
> That is very annoying. I don't know what you can do apart from scream.
If you're the author, it must be worse.
Partial solutions in the past include Sharon Lee & Steve Miller's chapbooks
But there was the horror of finding another publisher which then goes under.
--
Mike D
Garrett Wollman
Sep 25, 2016, 4:28:27 PM9/25/16
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In article <12q2v2v16k5j6.1...@40tude.net>,
editions of all the Young Wizards books while still keeping her
traditional publishing contract for the succeeding installments. The
publisher was OK with this and retained the rights to continue to
publish the unrevised editions. She's also been publishing some
shorter stuff in the YW universe as one-off ebooks. (And she has also
self-published pretty much all of her reverted previous works as well,
so the /Door into .../ books, for example, are available.)
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Brian M. Scott <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>There are also quite a few who are doing some
>self-publishing while also publishing in the traditional
>way: Ilona Andrews, Devon Monk, Rachel Aaron, Joel
>Shepherd, Seanan McGuire, Lisa Mantchev, ...
And then there's Diane Duane, who self-published revised (ebook-only)
>There are also quite a few who are doing some
>self-publishing while also publishing in the traditional
>way: Ilona Andrews, Devon Monk, Rachel Aaron, Joel
>Shepherd, Seanan McGuire, Lisa Mantchev, ...
editions of all the Young Wizards books while still keeping her
traditional publishing contract for the succeeding installments. The
publisher was OK with this and retained the rights to continue to
publish the unrevised editions. She's also been publishing some
shorter stuff in the YW universe as one-off ebooks. (And she has also
self-published pretty much all of her reverted previous works as well,
so the /Door into .../ books, for example, are available.)
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 25, 2016, 6:45:12 PM9/25/16
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In article <e4qbme...@mid.individual.net>,
Well, I'm still in the process of trying to proof the
HTML-version of _The Interior Life,_ for which I will need (a) to
download Calibre, (b) to figure out Calibre, and (c) to copy the
HTML version from my husband's machine to mine.... ESET won't let
me download anything, though it *seems* to be willing to let me
get Calibre.
After which it can go up on my website and get ignored as before.
The sequel to _A Point of Honor_ got rejected.
The collection _The Witch of Syracuse_ got rejected by the same
editor who had published all the stories of which it was
composed.
Go figure.
HTML-version of _The Interior Life,_ for which I will need (a) to
download Calibre, (b) to figure out Calibre, and (c) to copy the
HTML version from my husband's machine to mine.... ESET won't let
me download anything, though it *seems* to be willing to let me
get Calibre.
After which it can go up on my website and get ignored as before.
The sequel to _A Point of Honor_ got rejected.
The collection _The Witch of Syracuse_ got rejected by the same
editor who had published all the stories of which it was
composed.
Go figure.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Sep 25, 2016, 7:16:58 PM9/25/16
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On 9/24/16 9:26 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <e4ol9h...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>> On 24/09/2016 11:02 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>
>>> What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher decides the
>>> first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and declines to publish
>>> the next one(s)?
>>>
>>
>> That is very annoying. I don't know what you can do apart from scream.
>> If you're the author, it must be worse.
>
> It is.
>
These days it's a bit better, as one can choose to continue the series
> In article <e4ol9h...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>> On 24/09/2016 11:02 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>
>>> What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher decides the
>>> first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and declines to publish
>>> the next one(s)?
>>>
>>
>> That is very annoying. I don't know what you can do apart from scream.
>> If you're the author, it must be worse.
>
> It is.
>
oneself. "Not selling enough" for a large publisher may turn out to be
"selling quite well" for a self-pub.
Of course, there's issues involved in doing self-pub that can make it a
PITA as well.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 25, 2016, 8:15:03 PM9/25/16
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In article <ns9lsu$eh9$1...@dont-email.me>,
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 9/24/16 9:26 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <e4ol9h...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2016 11:02 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher decides the
>>>> first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and declines to publish
>>>> the next one(s)?
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is very annoying. I don't know what you can do apart from scream.
>>> If you're the author, it must be worse.
>>
>> It is.
>>
>
>
> These days it's a bit better, as one can choose to continue the series
>oneself. "Not selling enough" for a large publisher may turn out to be
>"selling quite well" for a self-pub.
>
> Of course, there's issues involved in doing self-pub that can make it a
>PITA as well.
>
See my remarks about putting _TIL_ online, upthread.
>On 9/24/16 9:26 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <e4ol9h...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2016 11:02 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What, on the other hand, do you do when the publisher decides the
>>>> first volume(s) didn't sell well enough and declines to publish
>>>> the next one(s)?
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is very annoying. I don't know what you can do apart from scream.
>>> If you're the author, it must be worse.
>>
>> It is.
>>
>
>
> These days it's a bit better, as one can choose to continue the series
>oneself. "Not selling enough" for a large publisher may turn out to be
>"selling quite well" for a self-pub.
>
> Of course, there's issues involved in doing self-pub that can make it a
>PITA as well.
>
Brian M. Scott
Sep 26, 2016, 2:03:39 AM9/26/16
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:28:25 +0000 (UTC), Garrett Wollman
<wol...@bimajority.org> wrote
in<news:ns9c19$1oml$2...@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> In article <12q2v2v16k5j6.1...@40tude.net>,
> Brian M. Scott <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>>There are also quite a few who are doing some
>>self-publishing while also publishing in the traditional
>>way: Ilona Andrews, Devon Monk, Rachel Aaron, Joel
>>Shepherd, Seanan McGuire, Lisa Mantchev, ...
> And then there's Diane Duane, who self-published revised
> (ebook-only) editions of all the Young Wizards books
> while still keeping her traditional publishing contract
> for the succeeding installments. The publisher was OK
> with this and retained the rights to continue to publish
> the unrevised editions. She's also been publishing some
> shorter stuff in the YW universe as one-off ebooks.
> (And she has also self-published pretty much all of her
> reverted previous works as well, so the /Door into .../
> books, for example, are available.)
I’ve bought a bunch of them, but I was too lazy to check
exactly what the arrangements were. I was especially happy
to get the revised version of _Stealing the Elf-King’s
Roses_.
<wol...@bimajority.org> wrote
in<news:ns9c19$1oml$2...@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> In article <12q2v2v16k5j6.1...@40tude.net>,
> Brian M. Scott <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
>>There are also quite a few who are doing some
>>self-publishing while also publishing in the traditional
>>way: Ilona Andrews, Devon Monk, Rachel Aaron, Joel
>>Shepherd, Seanan McGuire, Lisa Mantchev, ...
> And then there's Diane Duane, who self-published revised
> (ebook-only) editions of all the Young Wizards books
> while still keeping her traditional publishing contract
> for the succeeding installments. The publisher was OK
> with this and retained the rights to continue to publish
> the unrevised editions. She's also been publishing some
> shorter stuff in the YW universe as one-off ebooks.
> (And she has also self-published pretty much all of her
> reverted previous works as well, so the /Door into .../
> books, for example, are available.)
exactly what the arrangements were. I was especially happy
to get the revised version of _Stealing the Elf-King’s
Roses_.
Default User
Sep 26, 2016, 6:48:31 PM9/26/16
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On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-5, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT), Default User
> <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
> in<news:1a5feb08-4d9b-4c19...@googlegroups.com>
> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
> > Some of these "alternate Solar System" stories appeal to
> > me.
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT), Default User
> <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
> in<news:1a5feb08-4d9b-4c19...@googlegroups.com>
> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
> > Some of these "alternate Solar System" stories appeal to
> > me.
> If you’ve not already read them, you might want to take a
> look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_ and _In
> the Courts of the Crimson Kings_, set respectively on a
> Venus and Mars from older science fiction.
I will investigate. Thanks.
> look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_ and _In
> the Courts of the Crimson Kings_, set respectively on a
> Venus and Mars from older science fiction.
Brian
J. Clarke
Sep 26, 2016, 9:08:48 PM9/26/16
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In article <28712ab5-cc26-4134...@googlegroups.com>,
defaul...@yahoo.com says...
I found myself wanting more.
defaul...@yahoo.com says...
Kevrob
Sep 26, 2016, 9:42:13 PM9/26/16
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[quote]
Q) Will we be seeing another Lords of Creation novel soon?
A) Not soon. I took a bit of a hit to write those as a labor
of love. The sales were good, but not enough to encourage the
publisher to be forthcoming.
[/quote] - http://www.pjfarmer.com/stirling.
A shame, as I thought they were great fun.
Kevin R
Robert Woodward
Sep 27, 2016, 12:35:40 AM9/27/16
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In article <MPG.325390a5...@news.eternal-september.org>,
There is a short story by Stirling in _Old Mars_ ("Swords of
Zar-Tu-Kan") that is a prequel to _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_.
Zar-Tu-Kan") that is a prequel to _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_.
J. Clarke
Sep 27, 2016, 12:41:36 AM9/27/16
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In article <robertaw-B087A5...@news.individual.net>,
robe...@drizzle.com says...
> > > > look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_ and _In
robe...@drizzle.com says...
>
> In article <MPG.325390a5...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "J. Clarke" <j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <28712ab5-cc26-4134...@googlegroups.com>,
> > defaul...@yahoo.com says...
> > >
> > > On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-5, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT), Default User
> > > > <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > > in<news:1a5feb08-4d9b-4c19...@googlegroups.com>
> > > > in rec.arts.sf.written:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > > Some of these "alternate Solar System" stories appeal to
> > > > > me.
> > >
> > > > If you’ve not already read them, you might want to take a
> In article <MPG.325390a5...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "J. Clarke" <j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <28712ab5-cc26-4134...@googlegroups.com>,
> > defaul...@yahoo.com says...
> > >
> > > On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-5, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT), Default User
> > > > <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > > in<news:1a5feb08-4d9b-4c19...@googlegroups.com>
> > > > in rec.arts.sf.written:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > > Some of these "alternate Solar System" stories appeal to
> > > > > me.
> > >
> > > > look at Steve Stirling’s duology _The Sky People_ and _In
> > > > the Courts of the Crimson Kings_, set respectively on a
> > > > Venus and Mars from older science fiction.
> > >
> > > I will investigate. Thanks.
> >
> > I found myself wanting more.
>
> There is a short story by Stirling in _Old Mars_ ("Swords of
> Zar-Tu-Kan") that is a prequel to _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_.
Thank you.
> > > > Venus and Mars from older science fiction.
> > >
> > > I will investigate. Thanks.
> >
> > I found myself wanting more.
>
> There is a short story by Stirling in _Old Mars_ ("Swords of
> Zar-Tu-Kan") that is a prequel to _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_.
Cornelis Tromp
Sep 27, 2016, 8:17:55 AM9/27/16
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I remember finding a serialized version of one of the Amber books
in, I think, "Galaxy" back in the '70s. I hadn't read the previous
books, so I got them. After I read the books leading up to that
point I read the serialized novel. But it didn't end things. I
recall getting the order of some of the books wrong and I messed up
the surprise ending of one book by reading the big revelation at
the end of it which was summarized in the first paragraph of the
book I'd started to read out of order. D'oh!
In the end, the Amber series got too long for me to pay attention
to any more.
So the series was concluded, but I wasn't along for the ride by
then.
Had "Galaxy" not done a serial of one of the books I suspect that I
might never have read any of them. They were more fantasy than sf,
and I'm not a big fan of fantasy.
Adamastor Glace Mortimer
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In article <ns2gq6$okn$1...@dont-email.me>
in, I think, "Galaxy" back in the '70s. I hadn't read the previous
books, so I got them. After I read the books leading up to that
point I read the serialized novel. But it didn't end things. I
recall getting the order of some of the books wrong and I messed up
the surprise ending of one book by reading the big revelation at
the end of it which was summarized in the first paragraph of the
book I'd started to read out of order. D'oh!
In the end, the Amber series got too long for me to pay attention
to any more.
So the series was concluded, but I wasn't along for the ride by
then.
Had "Galaxy" not done a serial of one of the books I suspect that I
might never have read any of them. They were more fantasy than sf,
and I'm not a big fan of fantasy.
Adamastor Glace Mortimer
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Dorothy J Heydt
Sep 27, 2016, 9:00:04 AM9/27/16
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In article <f608679b5d972e95...@anon.holland.remailer.nl>,
Everybody to his own taste, said the good woman as she kissed her
cow.
-- Rabelais
cow.
-- Rabelais
Default User
Sep 27, 2016, 10:08:28 AM9/27/16
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On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:35:40 PM UTC-5, Robert Woodward wrote:
> There is a short story by Stirling in _Old Mars_ ("Swords of
> Zar-Tu-Kan") that is a prequel to _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_.
I had a feeling that might be the case from the description of the novel.
> There is a short story by Stirling in _Old Mars_ ("Swords of
> Zar-Tu-Kan") that is a prequel to _In the Courts of the Crimson Kings_.
Brian
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