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Anthony Nance
Jun 23, 2015, 8:20:57 AM6/23/15
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Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
I'm probably forgetting a few, but this is more than I'd
previously thought.
Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
collectively assigned while you were in school?
Tony
[1] I don't think any one student was assigned all of the
above - each teacher got to tweak their lists a little,
so while different classes each year had great overlap,
there were also a small number of differences.
[2] Like many, I suspect, we read several SF short stories.
I'm thinking more about novels and novellas here.
lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
I'm probably forgetting a few, but this is more than I'd
previously thought.
Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
collectively assigned while you were in school?
Tony
[1] I don't think any one student was assigned all of the
above - each teacher got to tweak their lists a little,
so while different classes each year had great overlap,
there were also a small number of differences.
[2] Like many, I suspect, we read several SF short stories.
I'm thinking more about novels and novellas here.
Greg Goss
Jun 23, 2015, 9:01:48 AM6/23/15
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na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) wrote:
>Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
>1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
>Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
>
>I'm probably forgetting a few, but this is more than I'd
>previously thought.
>
>Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>collectively assigned while you were in school?
Where and when I went to high school, we had The Chrysalids. Our
>Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
>1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
>Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
>
>I'm probably forgetting a few, but this is more than I'd
>previously thought.
>
>Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>collectively assigned while you were in school?
official curriculum for Grade 11 or 12 (I forget which) required a
dystopia, where the teacher got to choose between 1984, Brave New
World, something else (not F451) or This Perfect Day.
I first heard of This Perfect Day when a controversy erupted about the
rape scene. Not because of the rape itself, but because the woman
involved eventually treated it as no big deal once she came to her
senses.
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
William December Starr
Jun 23, 2015, 9:31:32 AM6/23/15
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In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
> The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein, A Connecticut
> Yankee in King Arthur's Court, Fahrenheit 451,
All okay, though it might be a good idea to teach kids about the
concept of "framing device" before they start reading Andromeda --
at their age and experience levels it may be their first encounter
with it and it might engender confusion leading to resentment.
(And I'm going to feel real dumb if I'm misremembering the
novel... it _was_ framed by excerpts from the after-the-fact
Senate investigation of the incident, right?)
> Brave New World,
At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
how nice a society it sounds like.
> Flowers For Algernon
If it's the novelette, yes; if it's the novel, no. And I bet it's the
novel. (Not that the novel is _bad_, it's just that the novelette is
fucking perfect.)
-- wds
na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> 1984,
Thank god Cliffs Notes exist.
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> 1984,
> The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein, A Connecticut
> Yankee in King Arthur's Court, Fahrenheit 451,
concept of "framing device" before they start reading Andromeda --
at their age and experience levels it may be their first encounter
with it and it might engender confusion leading to resentment.
(And I'm going to feel real dumb if I'm misremembering the
novel... it _was_ framed by excerpts from the after-the-fact
Senate investigation of the incident, right?)
> Brave New World,
At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
how nice a society it sounds like.
> Flowers For Algernon
If it's the novelette, yes; if it's the novel, no. And I bet it's the
novel. (Not that the novel is _bad_, it's just that the novelette is
fucking perfect.)
-- wds
Steve Coltrin
Jun 23, 2015, 10:01:27 AM6/23/15
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begin fnord
> The Hobbit
The _only_ assigned book I ever enjoyed reading,
> Brave New World
Which served me in good stead as a college freshman; I wrote a
paper compare-and-contrasting BNW with _Cyteen_ and got high
marks.
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na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) writes:
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> 1984
Which I'd already read,
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> 1984
> The Hobbit
The _only_ assigned book I ever enjoyed reading,
> Brave New World
Which served me in good stead as a college freshman; I wrote a
paper compare-and-contrasting BNW with _Cyteen_ and got high
marks.
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
art...@yahoo.com
Jun 23, 2015, 10:36:01 AM6/23/15
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On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
Does Animal Farm count?
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 23, 2015, 11:15:03 AM6/23/15
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In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
assigned any SF in high school. Indeed, my junior-year English
teacher held SF in the loftiest contempt. He made us read Ralph
Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather, and when he gave us the choice of
something to review, I would review good SF and he would snarl at
it.
But I won the battle in the end. This guy also edited the school
annual lit'ry publication, and he gave the top award to a short
story about a Native American drum dancer who performed in night
clubs and her dance always made it rain. Finally she got pissed
off enough to do a war dance instead, and the story faded out to
fist-fights in the night club and sirens going off all over the
city.
It had been plagiarized, word for word, from a story somebody had
sold to one of the lesser mags -- Amazing or Fantastic -- *and I
had a copy of the original.* Which I turned over to him. It was
the best story in his collection, and it hadn't even been stolen
from one of the top three.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Anthony Nance <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
>1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
>Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
>
>I'm probably forgetting a few, but this is more than I'd
>previously thought.
>
>Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>collectively assigned while you were in school?
Now, mind you, I was in high school in the 1950s. I was *never*
>Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
>1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
>Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
>
>I'm probably forgetting a few, but this is more than I'd
>previously thought.
>
>Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>collectively assigned while you were in school?
assigned any SF in high school. Indeed, my junior-year English
teacher held SF in the loftiest contempt. He made us read Ralph
Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather, and when he gave us the choice of
something to review, I would review good SF and he would snarl at
it.
But I won the battle in the end. This guy also edited the school
annual lit'ry publication, and he gave the top award to a short
story about a Native American drum dancer who performed in night
clubs and her dance always made it rain. Finally she got pissed
off enough to do a war dance instead, and the story faded out to
fist-fights in the night club and sirens going off all over the
city.
It had been plagiarized, word for word, from a story somebody had
sold to one of the lesser mags -- Amazing or Fantastic -- *and I
had a copy of the original.* Which I turned over to him. It was
the best story in his collection, and it hadn't even been stolen
from one of the top three.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Scott Lurndal
Jun 23, 2015, 11:45:36 AM6/23/15
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Lawrence Watt-Evans
Jun 23, 2015, 1:31:09 PM6/23/15
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On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
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>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>
>> Brave New World,
>
>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>how nice a society it sounds like.
Been there, done that.
>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>
>> Brave New World,
>
>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>how nice a society it sounds like.
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Brian M. Scott
Jun 23, 2015, 1:42:55 PM6/23/15
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
<na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
None, so far as I can recall. Or short ones, for that
matter.
[...]
Brian
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<na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
matter.
[...]
Brian
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Don Kuenz
Jun 23, 2015, 2:09:56 PM6/23/15
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can ID the story that started it all. :)
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Ahasuerus
Jun 23, 2015, 3:04:00 PM6/23/15
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On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> 1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
> A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
> Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon [snip]
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> 1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
> A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
Pretty good choices overall with the following caveats:
1. _The Hobbit_ may have been a better choice in junior high school.
2. _Brave New World_ is a good novel to be familiar with, but the
writing shows it age.
3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some other
"borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway drug.
Garrett Wollman
Jun 23, 2015, 3:38:17 PM6/23/15
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>Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
Hmmm. "Summer reading lists" were not a thing when I was in high
>lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
school, although I gather they're all the rage now.
>1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
>Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon
syllabus at home the year I was in Finland. But honestly, I don't
remember novels as playing a big part in my high school English
classes. Plays, yes (mostly Shakespeare), but other than that mostly
literary short stories and poetry.
-GAWollman
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Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 23, 2015, 4:00:10 PM6/23/15
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In article <3u5joah9pm05b2pfb...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>Starr) wrote:
>
>>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>
>>> Brave New World,
>>
>>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>>how nice a society it sounds like.
>
>Been there, done that.
>
Or you could tell them about _Cyteen._
>On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>Starr) wrote:
>
>>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>
>>> Brave New World,
>>
>>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>>how nice a society it sounds like.
>
>Been there, done that.
>
Kevrob
Jun 23, 2015, 4:17:49 PM6/23/15
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On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 3:04:00 PM UTC-4, Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> > Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> > lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> > were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
> >
> > 1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
> > A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
> > Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon [snip]
>
> Pretty good choices overall with the following caveats:
>
> 1. _The Hobbit_ may have been a better choice in junior high school.
I remember this having been in the children's room at our village
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> > Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> > lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> > were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
> >
> > 1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
> > A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
> > Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon [snip]
>
> Pretty good choices overall with the following caveats:
>
> 1. _The Hobbit_ may have been a better choice in junior high school.
library. You couldn't get access to the adults' floor of the library
until you had hit grade 7. I started grade 6 at age 10 and would shortly
turn 11. I had seen Leonard Nimoy singing about Bilbo on TV....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Bilbo_Baggins
....so I picked it up and examined it. My nose wrinkled at the stench of
fairy story*, and reached for something with a rocket ship emblazoned on its spine.
In high school, a couple of SF reading buddies of mine turned me onto
LOTR. I read that, then backtracked and read the Hobbit, suitably chastened.
Junior high books, or Young Adult as they were being called, were kept
with the adult collection. Once you got your card stamped YA, you could take
out anything from the adult collection that the librarian didn't blink at.
I never tried to take out Peyton Place or anything else with a "sexy"
reputation. I think our librarians didn't know what was in books like
"The Puppet Masters." Our local jr highs were grades 7-8-9 at the time,
but only the public schools had them. The local Catholic schools had
grades 1-8 in an elementary schools, and all 4 years of high school
in one building. I think the Lutherans did the same.
> 2. _Brave New World_ is a good novel to be familiar with, but the
> writing shows it age.
> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some other
> "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway drug.
typical science fiction marketing, in favor of the pattern for contemporary
blockbuster fiction. I first encountered it in a newspaper serialization.
The Long Island Press ran excerpts 5 days running, IMS. I guess the modern
equivalent would be what is marketed as a "techno-thriller." Still, a
non-Terran organism reaches Earth from space: that's SF.
Kevin R
* A prejudice I grew out of. I think it was Bullfinch's Mythology that
got me. I even read a shelf's worth of Oz books one summer before I finished elementary school.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 23, 2015, 4:29:21 PM6/23/15
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Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote in
news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
> drug.
There was a movie version of it. There was even a passing resemblance
between them, though not more than that, as I recall.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
> drug.
between them, though not more than that, as I recall.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 23, 2015, 4:30:40 PM6/23/15
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wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote in
news:mmccj7$13mu$1...@grapevine.csail.mit.edu:
> Hmmm. "Summer reading lists" were not a thing when I was in
> high school, although I gather they're all the rage now.
>
Where I went to high school, summer homework was more likely to be
"take pictures of whatever game you shoot during the summer."
news:mmccj7$13mu$1...@grapevine.csail.mit.edu:
> Hmmm. "Summer reading lists" were not a thing when I was in
> high school, although I gather they're all the rage now.
>
"take pictures of whatever game you shoot during the summer."
Gene Wirchenko
Jun 23, 2015, 4:30:47 PM6/23/15
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:44 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:
[snip]
>Now, mind you, I was in high school in the 1950s. I was *never*
>assigned any SF in high school. Indeed, my junior-year English
>teacher held SF in the loftiest contempt. He made us read Ralph
>Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather, and when he gave us the choice of
>something to review, I would review good SF and he would snarl at
>it.
>
>But I won the battle in the end. This guy also edited the school
>annual lit'ry publication, and he gave the top award to a short
>story about a Native American drum dancer who performed in night
>clubs and her dance always made it rain. Finally she got pissed
>off enough to do a war dance instead, and the story faded out to
>fist-fights in the night club and sirens going off all over the
>city.
>
>It had been plagiarized, word for word, from a story somebody had
>sold to one of the lesser mags -- Amazing or Fantastic -- *and I
>had a copy of the original.* Which I turned over to him. It was
>the best story in his collection, and it hadn't even been stolen
>from one of the top three.
Nice egging.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Heydt) wrote:
[snip]
>Now, mind you, I was in high school in the 1950s. I was *never*
>assigned any SF in high school. Indeed, my junior-year English
>teacher held SF in the loftiest contempt. He made us read Ralph
>Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather, and when he gave us the choice of
>something to review, I would review good SF and he would snarl at
>it.
>
>But I won the battle in the end. This guy also edited the school
>annual lit'ry publication, and he gave the top award to a short
>story about a Native American drum dancer who performed in night
>clubs and her dance always made it rain. Finally she got pissed
>off enough to do a war dance instead, and the story faded out to
>fist-fights in the night club and sirens going off all over the
>city.
>
>It had been plagiarized, word for word, from a story somebody had
>sold to one of the lesser mags -- Amazing or Fantastic -- *and I
>had a copy of the original.* Which I turned over to him. It was
>the best story in his collection, and it hadn't even been stolen
>from one of the top three.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Kevrob
Jun 23, 2015, 5:54:00 PM6/23/15
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to the end (1978?) of his tenure. It doesn't ring any bells with me.
I read Fantastic less often, though.
This is a wonderful story, and an object lesson to those teaching survey
courses everywhere: in your class you may have a hedgehog who knows one area _very well_ , and if you try to slide by with sloppy preparation you may get
caught out.
Kevin R
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 23, 2015, 6:30:12 PM6/23/15
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In article <30641d5a-ca24-48bc...@googlegroups.com>,
A. or F. on him, and it had been published one to several years
before that.
and I'm not now. But by the will of God or the chance of Fortune
or you-name-it, I happened to have that copy of that magazine in
my collection, along with the several years' runs of Astounding,
Galaxy, and F&SF that filled an entire bookshelf in my bedroom.
Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 4:30:47 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:44 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Now, mind you, I was in high school in the 1950s. I was *never*
>> >assigned any SF in high school. Indeed, my junior-year English
>> >teacher held SF in the loftiest contempt. He made us read Ralph
>> >Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather, and when he gave us the choice of
>> >something to review, I would review good SF and he would snarl at
>> >it.
>> >
>> >But I won the battle in the end. This guy also edited the school
>> >annual lit'ry publication, and he gave the top award to a short
>> >story about a Native American drum dancer who performed in night
>> >clubs and her dance always made it rain. Finally she got pissed
>> >off enough to do a war dance instead, and the story faded out to
>> >fist-fights in the night club and sirens going off all over the
>> >city.
>> >
>> >It had been plagiarized, word for word, from a story somebody had
>> >sold to one of the lesser mags -- Amazing or Fantastic -- *and I
>> >had a copy of the original.* Which I turned over to him. It was
>> >the best story in his collection, and it hadn't even been stolen
>> >from one of the top three.
>>
>> Nice egging.
>
>On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 4:30:47 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:44 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Now, mind you, I was in high school in the 1950s. I was *never*
>> >assigned any SF in high school. Indeed, my junior-year English
>> >teacher held SF in the loftiest contempt. He made us read Ralph
>> >Waldo Emerson and Willa Cather, and when he gave us the choice of
>> >something to review, I would review good SF and he would snarl at
>> >it.
>> >
>> >But I won the battle in the end. This guy also edited the school
>> >annual lit'ry publication, and he gave the top award to a short
>> >story about a Native American drum dancer who performed in night
>> >clubs and her dance always made it rain. Finally she got pissed
>> >off enough to do a war dance instead, and the story faded out to
>> >fist-fights in the night club and sirens going off all over the
>> >city.
>> >
>> >It had been plagiarized, word for word, from a story somebody had
>> >sold to one of the lesser mags -- Amazing or Fantastic -- *and I
>> >had a copy of the original.* Which I turned over to him. It was
>> >the best story in his collection, and it hadn't even been stolen
>> >from one of the top three.
>>
>> Nice egging.
>
>I bought the Ted White edited Amazing pretty regularly, but from the mid-70s
>to the end (1978?) of his tenure. It doesn't ring any bells with me.
>I read Fantastic less often, though.
It wouldn't. This would've been in 1958 that I pulled my copy of
>to the end (1978?) of his tenure. It doesn't ring any bells with me.
>I read Fantastic less often, though.
A. or F. on him, and it had been published one to several years
before that.
>
>This is a wonderful story, and an object lesson to those teaching survey
>courses everywhere: in your class you may have a hedgehog who knows one
>area _very well_ , and if you try to slide by with sloppy preparation
>you may get caught out.
Well, I wasn't an encyclopedic expert on all published SF then
>This is a wonderful story, and an object lesson to those teaching survey
>courses everywhere: in your class you may have a hedgehog who knows one
>area _very well_ , and if you try to slide by with sloppy preparation
>you may get caught out.
and I'm not now. But by the will of God or the chance of Fortune
or you-name-it, I happened to have that copy of that magazine in
my collection, along with the several years' runs of Astounding,
Galaxy, and F&SF that filled an entire bookshelf in my bedroom.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 23, 2015, 6:30:12 PM6/23/15
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In article <XnsA4C289365DA...@69.16.179.42>,
one of the originally all-male scientists was changed to a woman,
and her crabby, in-your-face character stole most of the show.
Indeed, looking back on both the book (which I have read) and the
movie (which I have seen several times, owning the DVD) one of
the major changes for the better was giving the main characters
some *character.* Crichton's scientists, as I remember them,
were pretty blah. But then it was his first novel.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote in
>news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
>> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
>> drug.
>
>There was a movie version of it. There was even a passing resemblance
>between them, though not more than that, as I recall.
The plot was essentially the same; one postive change was that
>Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote in
>news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
>> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
>> drug.
>
>There was a movie version of it. There was even a passing resemblance
>between them, though not more than that, as I recall.
one of the originally all-male scientists was changed to a woman,
and her crabby, in-your-face character stole most of the show.
Indeed, looking back on both the book (which I have read) and the
movie (which I have seen several times, owning the DVD) one of
the major changes for the better was giving the main characters
some *character.* Crichton's scientists, as I remember them,
were pretty blah. But then it was his first novel.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 23, 2015, 6:34:21 PM6/23/15
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djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:nqF4p...@kithrup.com:
> In article <XnsA4C289365DA...@69.16.179.42>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote in
>>news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
>>> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
>>> drug.
>>
>>There was a movie version of it. There was even a passing
>>resemblance between them, though not more than that, as I
>>recall.
>
> The plot was essentially the same; one postive change was that
> one of the originally all-male scientists was changed to a
> woman, and her crabby, in-your-face character stole most of the
> show.
It's been a long time for either, but as I recall, I liked the movie
better. Though the book seemed better SF. If you know what I mean.
notable for deep, three dimensional characterization (which is part
of the reason I haven't read a lot of his work).
news:nqF4p...@kithrup.com:
> In article <XnsA4C289365DA...@69.16.179.42>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote in
>>news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
>>> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
>>> drug.
>>
>>There was a movie version of it. There was even a passing
>>resemblance between them, though not more than that, as I
>>recall.
>
> The plot was essentially the same; one postive change was that
> one of the originally all-male scientists was changed to a
> woman, and her crabby, in-your-face character stole most of the
> show.
better. Though the book seemed better SF. If you know what I mean.
>
> Indeed, looking back on both the book (which I have read) and
> the movie (which I have seen several times, owning the DVD) one
> of the major changes for the better was giving the main
> characters some *character.* Crichton's scientists, as I
> remember them, were pretty blah. But then it was his first
> novel.
>
I haven't read a lot of Chrichton, but I don't recall him being
> Indeed, looking back on both the book (which I have read) and
> the movie (which I have seen several times, owning the DVD) one
> of the major changes for the better was giving the main
> characters some *character.* Crichton's scientists, as I
> remember them, were pretty blah. But then it was his first
> novel.
>
notable for deep, three dimensional characterization (which is part
of the reason I haven't read a lot of his work).
synthi...@yahoo.com
Jun 23, 2015, 6:51:12 PM6/23/15
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It wasn't assigned, but in middle school, I ran through all the "junior" sci fi in my local library, and I learned the concept of grossly inadequate research when I found in the kids library section "a Boy and his Dog".
ouch
ouch
Lynn McGuire
Jun 23, 2015, 6:56:28 PM6/23/15
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On 6/23/2015 5:51 PM, synthi...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It wasn't assigned, but in middle school, I ran through all the "junior" sci fi in my local library, and I learned the concept of grossly inadequate research when I found in the kids library section "a Boy and his Dog".
>
> ouch
Me too. And _Stranger in a Strange Land_. And several others with high sexual content.
> It wasn't assigned, but in middle school, I ran through all the "junior" sci fi in my local library, and I learned the concept of grossly inadequate research when I found in the kids library section "a Boy and his Dog".
>
> ouch
But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th grade so none of this was new.
Lynn
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Jun 23, 2015, 6:57:33 PM6/23/15
to
On 6/23/15 8:19 AM, Anthony Nance wrote:
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
None. I never saw an SF story assigned throughout my time in the public
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
school system. I was the only person I knew who READ SF in the school
system until I reached high school.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 23, 2015, 7:39:11 PM6/23/15
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:mmco69$et0$1...@dont-email.me:
> I was the only person I knew who READ SF in the
> school system until I reached high school.
>
I was the only kind I knew who read - at all - until well after high
school. Mind you, some of them (a few) *could* read, but nobody did.
They were too busy chasing cousins, I guess.
news:mmco69$et0$1...@dont-email.me:
> I was the only person I knew who READ SF in the
> school system until I reached high school.
>
school. Mind you, some of them (a few) *could* read, but nobody did.
They were too busy chasing cousins, I guess.
lal_truckee
Jun 23, 2015, 8:19:44 PM6/23/15
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On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th
> grade so none of this was new.
In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not reading them.
>
> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th
> grade so none of this was new.
Steve Coltrin
Jun 23, 2015, 10:03:46 PM6/23/15
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begin fnord
(Then a few years later told C.J. Cherryh that I had; she then told
me that she hadn't read BNW when she wrote _Cyteen_.)
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
> In article <3u5joah9pm05b2pfb...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>>Starr) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>>
>>>> Brave New World,
>>>
>>>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>>>how nice a society it sounds like.
>>
>>Been there, done that.
>>
> Or you could tell them about _Cyteen._
Been there, done that.
> In article <3u5joah9pm05b2pfb...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>>Starr) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>>
>>>> Brave New World,
>>>
>>>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>>>how nice a society it sounds like.
>>
>>Been there, done that.
>>
> Or you could tell them about _Cyteen._
(Then a few years later told C.J. Cherryh that I had; she then told
me that she hadn't read BNW when she wrote _Cyteen_.)
Gene Wirchenko
Jun 23, 2015, 11:04:46 PM6/23/15
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:31:07 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net>
wrote:
>On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>Starr) wrote:
>
>>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>
>>> Brave New World,
>>
>>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>>how nice a society it sounds like.
>
>Been there, done that.
Please, do tell.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
wrote:
>On 23 Jun 2015 09:31:29 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>Starr) wrote:
>
>>In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>
>>> Brave New World,
>>
>>At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
>>how nice a society it sounds like.
>
>Been there, done that.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Jun 24, 2015, 12:37:07 AM6/24/15
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:04:43 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net>
wrote:
High school English -- I forget the year. 11th grade, maybe? I
pointed out in class that the people of _Brave New World_ were
generally happy, and free to do as they pleased -- yeah, they'd been
conditioned to not want certain things, but so what? We all are. The
only reason the Savage is so miserable is that he hadn't been raised
in that society, but in one with standards that already seemed pretty
silly by the time we read the book, circa 1970.
The teacher wasn't sure whether I was serious or not, but couldn't
find any convincing counter-arguments.
wrote:
pointed out in class that the people of _Brave New World_ were
generally happy, and free to do as they pleased -- yeah, they'd been
conditioned to not want certain things, but so what? We all are. The
only reason the Savage is so miserable is that he hadn't been raised
in that society, but in one with standards that already seemed pretty
silly by the time we read the book, circa 1970.
The teacher wasn't sure whether I was serious or not, but couldn't
find any convincing counter-arguments.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Jun 24, 2015, 7:09:52 AM6/24/15
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Anthony Nance
Jun 24, 2015, 7:39:54 AM6/24/15
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William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
> na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>
> In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
> na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>
>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>> 1984,
>
> Thank god Cliffs Notes exist.
>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>> 1984,
>
Eh - while it was my least favorite in the list I gave (and I have
never read Brave New World), it was in the middle of the pack as
far as our assigned novels went.
>> The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein, A Connecticut
>> Yankee in King Arthur's Court, Fahrenheit 451,
>
> concept of "framing device" before they start reading Andromeda --
> at their age and experience levels it may be their first encounter
> with it and it might engender confusion leading to resentment.
>
> (And I'm going to feel real dumb if I'm misremembering the
> novel... it _was_ framed by excerpts from the after-the-fact
> Senate investigation of the incident, right?)
That rings a bell, but it's been so so long....
>
>> Brave New World,
>
> At least you can drive sanctimonious teachers crazy by talking about
> how nice a society it sounds like.
>
>
> If it's the novelette, yes; if it's the novel, no. And I bet it's the
> novel. (Not that the novel is _bad_, it's just that the novelette is
> fucking perfect.)
Ancient memory and a quick glance at Wikipedia suggest it was likely
the novelette. Which means I haven't read the novel, now that I think
about it.
Tony
Anthony Nance
Jun 24, 2015, 7:42:47 AM6/24/15
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art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Tony
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>
>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
>
>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
>
> Does Animal Farm count?
I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
>
> Does Animal Farm count?
- Tony
Anthony Nance
Jun 24, 2015, 7:50:50 AM6/24/15
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Brian M. Scott <b.s...@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> None, so far as I can recall. Or short ones, for that
> matter.
We read a lot of short stories and plays, and there was
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> None, so far as I can recall. Or short ones, for that
> matter.
a similar proportion of SF in there, including some
horror for those that include horror in their SF.
In particular, I remember a rather diverse collection
of short stories which (I think) included a few SF/horror
stories such as "By the Waters of Babylon", "Two Bottles
of Relish", and "The Cask Of Amontillado".
It seems likely at least one of my teachers enjoyed SF.
- Tony
Anthony Nance
Jun 24, 2015, 8:02:42 AM6/24/15
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Dirk van den Boom
Jun 24, 2015, 11:24:30 AM6/24/15
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Am 23.06.2015 um 14:19 schrieb Anthony Nance:
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
I (in Germany) had Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World in English
> collectively assigned while you were in school?
language lessons, but unfortunately not one SF novel in German, despite
the fact that my last German teacher turned out to be a SF-fan (I was
allowed to write a paper about the 'New Wave' to increase my marks, though).
--
www.sf-boom-blog.de
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Jun 24, 2015, 1:48:54 PM6/24/15
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:38:30 +0000 (UTC), na...@math.ohio-state.edu
(Anthony Nance) wrote:
>William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>
>>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>>
>>> 1984,
>>
>> Thank god Cliffs Notes exist.
>
>Eh - while it was my least favorite in the list I gave (and I have
>never read Brave New World), it was in the middle of the pack as
>far as our assigned novels went.
I was surprised how much I enjoyed _Brave New World_ -- yeah, the
(Anthony Nance) wrote:
>William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> na...@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) said:
>>
>>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>>
>>> 1984,
>>
>> Thank god Cliffs Notes exist.
>
>Eh - while it was my least favorite in the list I gave (and I have
>never read Brave New World), it was in the middle of the pack as
>far as our assigned novels went.
ending is something of a downer, and the character at the heart of the
story (I hesitate to call him the protagonist) is a jerk, but most of
it was fun, and the world-building was science fictional in a way that
seems astonishingly modern for 1927.
Ahasuerus
Jun 24, 2015, 2:06:22 PM6/24/15
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:42:47 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> >
> >> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> >> collectively assigned while you were in school? [snip]
> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> >
> >> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> >
> > Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
> >
> > Does Animal Farm count?
>
> I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
It's not as impactful as _1984_ and it's more closely tied to then-
> > Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
> >
> > Does Animal Farm count?
>
> I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
recent history (Trotsky, Stalin, the show trials, etc), but it's a
decent read even if you are not familiar with early 20th century
history.
Brian M. Scott
Jun 24, 2015, 4:11:53 PM6/24/15
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:34:18 -0700, Gutless Umbrella
Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote
in<news:XnsA4C29E67EB0...@69.16.179.42> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
Fifth or sixth, actually, but the earlier ones were
published under the pseudonym John Lange (or in one case
Jerffery Hudson).
> I haven't read a lot of Chrichton, but I don't recall him
> being notable for deep, three dimensional
> characterization (which is part of the reason I haven't
> read a lot of his work).
I’ve read only _Eaters of the Dead_, which was genuinely
rather clever. (It didn’t hurt that I was familiar with
and recognized ibn Fadlan’s account in the first few
chapters.)
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote
in<news:XnsA4C29E67EB0...@69.16.179.42> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
published under the pseudonym John Lange (or in one case
Jerffery Hudson).
> I haven't read a lot of Chrichton, but I don't recall him
> being notable for deep, three dimensional
> characterization (which is part of the reason I haven't
> read a lot of his work).
rather clever. (It didn’t hurt that I was familiar with
and recognized ibn Fadlan’s account in the first few
chapters.)
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.
pete...@gmail.com
Jun 24, 2015, 4:26:18 PM6/24/15
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terrorist attack using nerve gas. It was pretty short and light.
I also read his non-fiction 'Five Patients' from 1970.
> > I haven't read a lot of Chrichton, but I don't recall him
> > being notable for deep, three dimensional
> > characterization (which is part of the reason I haven't
> > read a lot of his work).
stuff quite regularly for a while; but somewhere along the line
I just stopped having fun - he was so pessimistic about human
progress; it seemed like his primary message was 'There Are Things
Man Should Not Meddle In".
I think Jurassic Park was the last book of his I read. My wife wants
to go to the new movie. I'll go, but I'm not enthused.
pt
Kevrob
Jun 24, 2015, 4:31:35 PM6/24/15
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Kevin R
Jerry Brown
Jun 24, 2015, 5:09:00 PM6/24/15
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still feel slightly guilty about that.
>My wife wants
>to go to the new movie. I'll go, but I'm not enthused.
>
>pt
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Ahasuerus
Jun 24, 2015, 5:17:26 PM6/24/15
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On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> [...]
>
> > Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> > collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> > collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> None, so far as I can recall. Or short ones, for that matter.
Homer? Hesiod? _The Tempest_? _A Midsummer Night's Dream_?
_Macbeth_? _Hamlet_?
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 24, 2015, 5:25:27 PM6/24/15
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pete...@gmail.com wrote in
news:0bbfd4e4-979d-4acc...@googlegroups.com:
> it seemed like his primary message was 'There Are
> Things Man Should Not Meddle In".
One of which is "acting more like human beings than like monkeys."
dollars at the box office, but I'm going to pass.
news:0bbfd4e4-979d-4acc...@googlegroups.com:
> it seemed like his primary message was 'There Are
> Things Man Should Not Meddle In".
>
> I think Jurassic Park was the last book of his I read. My wife
> wants to go to the new movie. I'll go, but I'm not enthused.
>
It has nearly set a record for how quickly it has reached a billion
> I think Jurassic Park was the last book of his I read. My wife
> wants to go to the new movie. I'll go, but I'm not enthused.
>
dollars at the box office, but I'm going to pass.
Lynn McGuire
Jun 24, 2015, 5:39:11 PM6/24/15
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is excellent, the 3-D is not.
Nice review:
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/jurassic-world-movie-review
Lynn
Lynn McGuire
Jun 24, 2015, 5:47:43 PM6/24/15
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Lynn
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 24, 2015, 5:55:20 PM6/24/15
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J. Clarke
Jun 24, 2015, 6:02:35 PM6/24/15
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In article <mmf8fc$pm2$1...@dont-email.me>, l...@winsim.com says...
Or she wouldn't admit it to you. I remember a 12 year old mother--I
asked her how it happened, she replied "never play strip poker without
cutting the deck".
asked her how it happened, she replied "never play strip poker without
cutting the deck".
William December Starr
Jun 24, 2015, 6:05:34 PM6/24/15
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In article <XnsA4C392B8E18...@69.16.179.42>,
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> said:
> pete...@gmail.com wrote
of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called managed to
get international permission to re-open the park after that
"dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the second
movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the park" I
mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
-- wds
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> said:
> pete...@gmail.com wrote
>
>> I think Jurassic Park was the last book of his I read. My wife
>> wants to go to the new movie. I'll go, but I'm not enthused.
>
> It has nearly set a record for how quickly it has reached a
> billion dollars at the box office, but I'm going to pass.
What I'd like to know is if the movie addresses in way the question
>> I think Jurassic Park was the last book of his I read. My wife
>> wants to go to the new movie. I'll go, but I'm not enthused.
>
> It has nearly set a record for how quickly it has reached a
> billion dollars at the box office, but I'm going to pass.
of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called managed to
get international permission to re-open the park after that
"dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the second
movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the park" I
mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
-- wds
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 24, 2015, 6:17:38 PM6/24/15
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wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in news:mmf9jc$av9$1
@panix2.panix.com:
I thought it was a complete reboot?
@panix2.panix.com:
Brian M. Scott
Jun 24, 2015, 6:37:29 PM6/24/15
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
<ahas...@email.com> wrote
in<news:e0c8056f-3c14-45af...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
I’ll give you ‘A Midsummer Night’s Dream’. I didn’t think
of it, because we did it in eighth grade, and I was
thinking of high school. (I had an extremely good eighth
grade English teacher: it’s still one of my favorites,
something that I can’t say about anything else that I was
required to read in school.) I won’t give you ‘Macbeth’,
which we did in high school: the fantasy element is far too
small. None of the others was required at any point. A
pity, in the case of the ‘Tempest’: it’s another one of my
favorites.
I’m not at all sure that I’d give you Homer, either: for me
the Iliad and the Odyssey belong to a related but different
category. I could probably give you the Divine Comedy,
though, at least two-thirds of which I had to read in
college. (You’d be welcome to keep it, too!)
<ahas...@email.com> wrote
in<news:e0c8056f-3c14-45af...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
of it, because we did it in eighth grade, and I was
thinking of high school. (I had an extremely good eighth
grade English teacher: it’s still one of my favorites,
something that I can’t say about anything else that I was
required to read in school.) I won’t give you ‘Macbeth’,
which we did in high school: the fantasy element is far too
small. None of the others was required at any point. A
pity, in the case of the ‘Tempest’: it’s another one of my
favorites.
I’m not at all sure that I’d give you Homer, either: for me
the Iliad and the Odyssey belong to a related but different
category. I could probably give you the Divine Comedy,
though, at least two-thirds of which I had to read in
college. (You’d be welcome to keep it, too!)
Raymond Daley
Jun 24, 2015, 6:40:26 PM6/24/15
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"Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me...
> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
What kind of awesome high school were you attending that gave you ANY SF to
> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
read?
Jeez, we got Shakespeare and Joe Egg.
I don't recall ever being given any SF to read for English as a subject.
William December Starr
Jun 24, 2015, 6:48:09 PM6/24/15
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In article <XnsA4C39B91355...@69.16.179.43>,
it down now even though I just read it this morning, aargh. I *can*
find this one, though:
https://cinemaandsilliness.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/review-jurassic-world/
which starts out:
Synopsis
Twenty-two years after the events of Jurassic Park, the
Island of Isla Nublar is now the site of a fully
functioning, Disneyworld-esque, dinosaur theme park
called `Jurassic World'. With profits to make and
increasingly apathetic visitors to entertain, Claire
(Bryce Dallas Howard), Head of Operations, commissions
the creation of a genetically modified dinosaur, the
Indominous Rex, to cater to demands for bigger, scarier
attractions.
...so it looks to me like they're going for in-world continuity, and
some reviewers/reporters/nattering nabobs of cinema are confusingly
throwing the word "reboot" around when they should be saying "restart."
-- wds
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> said:
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote
>
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote
>
>> What I'd like to know is if the movie addresses in way the
>> question of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called
>> managed to get international permission to re-open the park after
>> that "dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the
>> second movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the
>> park" I mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
>
> I thought it was a complete reboot?
I read a review which said otherwise, thoughof course I can't track
>> question of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called
>> managed to get international permission to re-open the park after
>> that "dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the
>> second movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the
>> park" I mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
>
> I thought it was a complete reboot?
it down now even though I just read it this morning, aargh. I *can*
find this one, though:
https://cinemaandsilliness.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/review-jurassic-world/
which starts out:
Synopsis
Twenty-two years after the events of Jurassic Park, the
Island of Isla Nublar is now the site of a fully
functioning, Disneyworld-esque, dinosaur theme park
called `Jurassic World'. With profits to make and
increasingly apathetic visitors to entertain, Claire
(Bryce Dallas Howard), Head of Operations, commissions
the creation of a genetically modified dinosaur, the
Indominous Rex, to cater to demands for bigger, scarier
attractions.
...so it looks to me like they're going for in-world continuity, and
some reviewers/reporters/nattering nabobs of cinema are confusingly
throwing the word "reboot" around when they should be saying "restart."
-- wds
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 24, 2015, 7:11:23 PM6/24/15
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wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote in
news:mmfc37$pn3$1...@panix2.panix.com:
If I were to put a numberical value on how much this changes how
much I want to see this movie, iot'd be a negative number. It was
less uninteresting as a reboot.
news:mmfc37$pn3$1...@panix2.panix.com:
much I want to see this movie, iot'd be a negative number. It was
less uninteresting as a reboot.
J. Clarke
Jun 24, 2015, 7:14:07 PM6/24/15
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In article <rlGix.967640$UV7.8...@fx27.am4>,
raymon...@ntlworld.com says...
We got Stranger in a Strange Land but this was from Mithter Mathon, who
made a great show of being weird--the guy practically walked down the
street chewing the scenery. I don't recall now if we got Animal Farm and
1984 there or whether that was college.
raymon...@ntlworld.com says...
made a great show of being weird--the guy practically walked down the
street chewing the scenery. I don't recall now if we got Animal Farm and
1984 there or whether that was college.
Moriarty
Jun 24, 2015, 7:43:32 PM6/24/15
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On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 6:11:53 AM UTC+10, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:34:18 -0700, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote
<snip>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:34:18 -0700, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote
#Michael Crichton#
> >> Indeed, looking back on both the book (which I have
> >> read) and the movie (which I have seen several times,
> >> owning the DVD) one of the major changes for the better
> >> was giving the main characters some *character.*
> >> Crichton's scientists, as I remember them, were pretty
> >> blah. But then it was his first novel.
>
> Fifth or sixth, actually, but the earlier ones were
> published under the pseudonym John Lange
-Moriarty
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 24, 2015, 7:45:12 PM6/24/15
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In article <0bbfd4e4-979d-4acc...@googlegroups.com>,
*really* sells. And for your bog-standard American moviegoer,
science is the unknown.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>After reading 'Andromeda Strain' when it was new, I read his
>stuff quite regularly for a while; but somewhere along the line
>I just stopped having fun - he was so pessimistic about human
>progress; it seemed like his primary message was 'There Are Things
>Man Should Not Meddle In".
Well, he discovered that fear sells. Fear of the unknown
>
>After reading 'Andromeda Strain' when it was new, I read his
>stuff quite regularly for a while; but somewhere along the line
>I just stopped having fun - he was so pessimistic about human
>progress; it seemed like his primary message was 'There Are Things
>Man Should Not Meddle In".
*really* sells. And for your bog-standard American moviegoer,
science is the unknown.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Moriarty
Jun 24, 2015, 7:46:25 PM6/24/15
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On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 8:40:26 AM UTC+10, Raymond Daley wrote:
> "Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> > lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> > were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> What kind of awesome high school were you attending that gave you ANY SF to
> read?
> Jeez, we got Shakespeare and Joe Egg.
The Shakespeare we got was _A Midsummer Night's Dream_ and _The Tempest_, both of which qualify as SF.
> "Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
> > lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
> > were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
> What kind of awesome high school were you attending that gave you ANY SF to
> read?
> Jeez, we got Shakespeare and Joe Egg.
-Moriarty
Lynn McGuire
Jun 24, 2015, 7:51:41 PM6/24/15
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get an old Jurassic Park jeep started.
Lynn
Brian M. Scott
Jun 24, 2015, 7:52:27 PM6/24/15
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:43:29 -0700 (PDT), Moriarty
<blu...@ivillage.com> wrote
in<news:3b308f60-1fff-47ac...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
Probably not: both seem to have published their first
novels in 1966.
<blu...@ivillage.com> wrote
in<news:3b308f60-1fff-47ac...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
novels in 1966.
Ahasuerus
Jun 24, 2015, 7:59:55 PM6/24/15
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 6:37:29 PM UTC-4, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
> <ahas...@email.com> wrote
> in<news:e0c8056f-3c14-45af...@googlegroups.com>
> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, Brian M.
> > Scott wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> >> <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> >> in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> >>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> >> None, so far as I can recall. Or short ones, for that matter.
>
> > Homer? Hesiod? _The Tempest_? _A Midsummer Night's
> > Dream_? _Macbeth_? _Hamlet_?
>
> I'll give you 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'. I didn't think
> of it, because we did it in eighth grade, and I was
> thinking of high school. (I had an extremely good eighth
> grade English teacher: it's still one of my favorites,
> something that I can't say about anything else that I was
> required to read in school.) I won't give you 'Macbeth',
> which we did in high school: the fantasy element is far too
> small. None of the others was required at any point. [snip]
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
> <ahas...@email.com> wrote
> in<news:e0c8056f-3c14-45af...@googlegroups.com>
> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 1:42:55 PM UTC-4, Brian M.
> > Scott wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:19:34 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Nance
> >> <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote
> >> in<news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
> >>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> >> None, so far as I can recall. Or short ones, for that matter.
>
> > Homer? Hesiod? _The Tempest_? _A Midsummer Night's
> > Dream_? _Macbeth_? _Hamlet_?
>
> I'll give you 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'. I didn't think
> of it, because we did it in eighth grade, and I was
> thinking of high school. (I had an extremely good eighth
> grade English teacher: it's still one of my favorites,
> something that I can't say about anything else that I was
> required to read in school.) I won't give you 'Macbeth',
> which we did in high school: the fantasy element is far too
No _Hamlet_? Perhaps they didn't want to expose HS kids to a
supernatural murder mystery lest they get addicted to genre
fiction.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 24, 2015, 8:00:03 PM6/24/15
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In article <e32f689c-5007-4409...@googlegroups.com>,
Including Fantasy within Speculative Fiction, yes.
We could argue about whether _Macbeth_ qualified at the time of
writing: the play was written in the reign of (and, to a certain
extent, for) James the First, who believed in witches.
We could argue about whether _Macbeth_ qualified at the time of
writing: the play was written in the reign of (and, to a certain
extent, for) James the First, who believed in witches.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 24, 2015, 8:00:04 PM6/24/15
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In article <XnsA4C397C9C98...@69.16.179.42>,
till I was sixteen, and a damn good thing it was too; my brain
was able to take, and keep, the high ground against the hormones.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote in
>news:mmf8fc$pm2$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 6/23/2015 7:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
>>> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her
>>>> house in 7th grade so none of this was new.
>>>
>>> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not
>>> reading them.
>>
>> 12 years old, really? She was not interested in doing that at
>> all.
>>
>Late bloomer.
Well, it depends on what you're used to. I didn't hit puberty
>Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote in
>news:mmf8fc$pm2$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 6/23/2015 7:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
>>> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her
>>>> house in 7th grade so none of this was new.
>>>
>>> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not
>>> reading them.
>>
>> 12 years old, really? She was not interested in doing that at
>> all.
>>
>Late bloomer.
till I was sixteen, and a damn good thing it was too; my brain
was able to take, and keep, the high ground against the hormones.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 24, 2015, 8:00:04 PM6/24/15
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In article <rlGix.967640$UV7.8...@fx27.am4>,
As mentioned above, me neither, but I had my revenge.
As for Joe Egg, I had to google it. After my time, and on the
other side of the pond.
As for Joe Egg, I had to google it. After my time, and on the
other side of the pond.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 24, 2015, 8:00:04 PM6/24/15
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In article <3b308f60-1fff-47ac...@googlegroups.com>,
By crackey, you learn something new every day. I always assumed
Lange went pseudonymus because he had an academic job.
Lange went pseudonymus because he had an academic job.
Brian M. Scott
Jun 24, 2015, 8:29:25 PM6/24/15
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Ahasuerus
<ahas...@email.com> wrote
in<news:27fdc8b7-4df7-4dbd...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
Nope. The only other Shakespeare was ‘Julius Caesar’.
Pity it wasn’t Shaw’s ‘Caesar and Cleopatra’ instead.
Which reminds me: the chocolate cream soldier -- er, ‘Arms
and the Man’ -- would have been great fun.
[...]
Brian
--
It was called ‘Birdsong at Eventide’, and it went, ‘Ting
_pling_ ting pling _ting_, ting tong, ting tong, ting
tonggg clonk, bother!’ At least, that is how it went
when Myrtle played it. -- _Larklight_, by Philip Reeve
<ahas...@email.com> wrote
in<news:27fdc8b7-4df7-4dbd...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
Pity it wasn’t Shaw’s ‘Caesar and Cleopatra’ instead.
Which reminds me: the chocolate cream soldier -- er, ‘Arms
and the Man’ -- would have been great fun.
[...]
Brian
--
It was called ‘Birdsong at Eventide’, and it went, ‘Ting
_pling_ ting pling _ting_, ting tong, ting tong, ting
tonggg clonk, bother!’ At least, that is how it went
when Myrtle played it. -- _Larklight_, by Philip Reeve
Brian M. Scott
Jun 24, 2015, 8:31:46 PM6/24/15
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 23:44:42 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote
in<news:nqH3A...@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> Well, it depends on what you're used to. I didn't hit
> puberty till I was sixteen, and a damn good thing it was
> too; my brain was able to take, and keep, the high
> ground against the hormones.
Might have done so anyway: I hit puberty right about when I
turned 12 and never had any problem keeping the brain well
ahead of the hormones.
<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote
in<news:nqH3A...@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written:
[...]
> Well, it depends on what you're used to. I didn't hit
> puberty till I was sixteen, and a damn good thing it was
> too; my brain was able to take, and keep, the high
> ground against the hormones.
turned 12 and never had any problem keeping the brain well
ahead of the hormones.
Cryptoengineer
Jun 24, 2015, 9:37:36 PM6/24/15
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Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote in news:27fdc8b7-4df7-4dbd-bbbd-
beb7c1...@googlegroups.com:
When I was in school in Britain, high school included 'O'
(ordinary) levels around age 16, and 'A' (advanced) levels
around 18. Most students took half a dozen or so O levels.
A levels were generally regarded at college prep, and most
people only took around 3. These exams were uniform across
the whole country.I was a science oriented student,
so I didn't take A level English.
The students who did so, were, in each year, assigned a
novel and a Shakespears play, a different one for each
graduation year, and studied those for two years. As a
result, I saw a *lot* of copies scattered around my boarding
house. I don't recall all, but they included most of the
more interesting plays, as well as Brave New World,
1984, and Animal Farm. I read the two latter in copies
borrowed from my more liberal arts oriented
housemates.
pt
beb7c1...@googlegroups.com:
(ordinary) levels around age 16, and 'A' (advanced) levels
around 18. Most students took half a dozen or so O levels.
A levels were generally regarded at college prep, and most
people only took around 3. These exams were uniform across
the whole country.I was a science oriented student,
so I didn't take A level English.
The students who did so, were, in each year, assigned a
novel and a Shakespears play, a different one for each
graduation year, and studied those for two years. As a
result, I saw a *lot* of copies scattered around my boarding
house. I don't recall all, but they included most of the
more interesting plays, as well as Brave New World,
1984, and Animal Farm. I read the two latter in copies
borrowed from my more liberal arts oriented
housemates.
pt
David DeLaney
Jun 24, 2015, 11:10:46 PM6/24/15
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On 2015-06-24, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually called 'junior
high' here. And kids are 12-13 at that point ... not actually too young to
be getting into compromising positions, as it were, if the parents don't have
a 'keep the door open' policy or the like for study dates.
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
> On 6/23/15 8:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
>> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th
>>> grade so none of this was new.
>>
>> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not reading them.
>
> Er, no, you're not even in high school yet at that point.
>> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th
>>> grade so none of this was new.
>>
>> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not reading them.
>
But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually called 'junior
high' here. And kids are 12-13 at that point ... not actually too young to
be getting into compromising positions, as it were, if the parents don't have
a 'keep the door open' policy or the like for study dates.
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Robert Bannister
Jun 24, 2015, 11:10:52 PM6/24/15
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On 25/06/2015 2:06 am, Ahasuerus wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:42:47 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
>>>
>>> Does Animal Farm count?
>>
>> I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
>
> It's not as impactful as _1984_ and it's more closely tied to then-
> recent history (Trotsky, Stalin, the show trials, etc), but it's a
> decent read even if you are not familiar with early 20th century
> history.
>
I think it might be quoted more often than 1984, though, even if people
are not always aware of where the line comes from.
--
Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:42:47 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>>>> collectively assigned while you were in school? [snip]
>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>>>
>>> Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
>>>
>>> Does Animal Farm count?
>>
>> I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
>
> It's not as impactful as _1984_ and it's more closely tied to then-
> recent history (Trotsky, Stalin, the show trials, etc), but it's a
> decent read even if you are not familiar with early 20th century
> history.
>
I think it might be quoted more often than 1984, though, even if people
are not always aware of where the line comes from.
--
Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia
Robert Bannister
Jun 24, 2015, 11:17:07 PM6/24/15
to
On 24/06/2015 11:24 pm, Dirk van den Boom wrote:
> language lessons, but unfortunately not one SF novel in German, despite
> the fact that my last German teacher turned out to be a SF-fan (I was
> allowed to write a paper about the 'New Wave' to increase my marks,
> though).
>
>
The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were translations. I
first read "The Puppet Masters" in German. Even today, there's very
little that's any good.
> Am 23.06.2015 um 14:19 schrieb Anthony Nance:
>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>
>> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> I (in Germany) had Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World in English
>> collectively assigned while you were in school?
>
> language lessons, but unfortunately not one SF novel in German, despite
> the fact that my last German teacher turned out to be a SF-fan (I was
> allowed to write a paper about the 'New Wave' to increase my marks,
> though).
>
>
The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were translations. I
first read "The Puppet Masters" in German. Even today, there's very
little that's any good.
David DeLaney
Jun 24, 2015, 11:22:34 PM6/24/15
to
On 2015-06-24, Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
many years ago now.
> We could argue about whether _Macbeth_ qualified at the time of
> writing: the play was written in the reign of (and, to a certain
> extent, for) James the First, who believed in witches.
"At time of writing" maybe, maybe not, yes - people's beliefs about what was
real and what was fantastic were rather different then. But I'd say at least
some of it was MEANT to be fantastic, specifically the prophecies, and the
ghost...
[It starts OFF with witches - probably Shakespeare's best-known trio of them -
and prophecy, one of which comes true _immediately_ thereafter, continues
through supernatural portents, and then we get to Banquo's ghost, who, granted,
from the point of view of the REST of the cast other than Macbeth, is an
hallucination... then the witches return, more prophecy, two of which are
the "no man of woman born" one and the "until Great Birnam Wood come to
Dunsinane" one... to Macbeth _only_. Imaginary bloodstains, and the
fulfillment of prophecy by people who had not heard them. And Banquo's line
makes kings.]
> Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>>The Shakespeare we got was _A Midsummer Night's Dream_ and _The
>>Tempest_, both of which qualify as SF.
>
> Including Fantasy within Speculative Fiction, yes.
Yep. I believe Neil Gaiman had something to say about those two, not all that
>>The Shakespeare we got was _A Midsummer Night's Dream_ and _The
>>Tempest_, both of which qualify as SF.
>
> Including Fantasy within Speculative Fiction, yes.
many years ago now.
> We could argue about whether _Macbeth_ qualified at the time of
> writing: the play was written in the reign of (and, to a certain
> extent, for) James the First, who believed in witches.
real and what was fantastic were rather different then. But I'd say at least
some of it was MEANT to be fantastic, specifically the prophecies, and the
ghost...
[It starts OFF with witches - probably Shakespeare's best-known trio of them -
and prophecy, one of which comes true _immediately_ thereafter, continues
through supernatural portents, and then we get to Banquo's ghost, who, granted,
from the point of view of the REST of the cast other than Macbeth, is an
hallucination... then the witches return, more prophecy, two of which are
the "no man of woman born" one and the "until Great Birnam Wood come to
Dunsinane" one... to Macbeth _only_. Imaginary bloodstains, and the
fulfillment of prophecy by people who had not heard them. And Banquo's line
makes kings.]
Ahasuerus
Jun 24, 2015, 11:27:57 PM6/24/15
to
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 11:10:46 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2015-06-24, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > On 6/23/15 8:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> >> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her
> >>> house in 7th grade so none of this was new.
> >>
> >> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not
> >> reading them.
> >
> > Er, no, you're not even in high school yet at that point.
>
> But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually
> called 'junior high' here. [snip]
> On 2015-06-24, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > On 6/23/15 8:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> >> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her
> >>> house in 7th grade so none of this was new.
> >>
> >> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not
> >> reading them.
> >
> > Er, no, you're not even in high school yet at that point.
>
> But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually
It's mostly middle schools these days. There were 2,100 middle schools
and 7,800 junior high schools in 1970/1971. In 2011/2012 the numbers
were 13,000 and 2,900 (https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84)
As to what you are "supposed" to do in middle school, it depends on
who is doing the supposing.
Brian M. Scott
Jun 25, 2015, 1:38:13 AM6/25/15
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:17:01 +0800, Robert Bannister
<rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote
in<news:cv1a5g...@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> On 24/06/2015 11:24 pm, Dirk van den Boom wrote:
[...]
>> I (in Germany) had Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World in
>> English language lessons, but unfortunately not one SF
>> novel in German, despite the fact that my last German
>> teacher turned out to be a SF-fan (I was allowed to
>> write a paper about the 'New Wave' to increase my
>> marks, though).
> The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were
> translations. I first read "The Puppet Masters" in
> German. Even today, there's very little that's any good.
Such diplomacy!
Possibly I’ve been fortunate, but I’ve read some in the
last few years that I quite enjoyed, including (but not
limited to) some of Dirk’s.
<rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote
in<news:cv1a5g...@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> On 24/06/2015 11:24 pm, Dirk van den Boom wrote:
>> I (in Germany) had Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World in
>> English language lessons, but unfortunately not one SF
>> novel in German, despite the fact that my last German
>> teacher turned out to be a SF-fan (I was allowed to
>> write a paper about the 'New Wave' to increase my
>> marks, though).
> The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were
> translations. I first read "The Puppet Masters" in
> German. Even today, there's very little that's any good.
Possibly I’ve been fortunate, but I’ve read some in the
last few years that I quite enjoyed, including (but not
limited to) some of Dirk’s.
leif...@dimnakorr.com
Jun 25, 2015, 2:45:24 AM6/25/15
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William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> What I'd like to know is if the movie addresses in way the question
> of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called managed to
> get international permission to re-open the park after that
> "dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the second
> movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the park" I
> mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
I haven't seen the movie myself, but according to reviews it goes the
>
> What I'd like to know is if the movie addresses in way the question
> of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called managed to
> get international permission to re-open the park after that
> "dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the second
> movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the park" I
> mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
Highlander route and ignores the earlier sequels and proceeds from
the first movie only.
--
Leif Roar Moldskred
Quadibloc
Jun 25, 2015, 4:13:21 AM6/25/15
to
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 9:17:07 PM UTC-6, Robert Bannister wrote:
> The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were translations. I
> first read "The Puppet Masters" in German. Even today, there's very
> little that's any good.
I'm sorry to hear that. I had read that the German-language dubbing of Star Trek
> The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were translations. I
> first read "The Puppet Masters" in German. Even today, there's very
> little that's any good.
was done badly, and elsewhere I have heard that Perry Rhodan dominated the German
SF scene, so this isn't surprising, sadly.
John Savard
Quadibloc
Jun 25, 2015, 4:15:41 AM6/25/15
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On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:45:24 AM UTC-6, leif...@dimnakorr.com wrote:
> I haven't seen the movie myself, but according to reviews it goes the
> Highlander route and ignores the earlier sequels and proceeds from
> the first movie only.
This points to a need to add a word like "semi-reboot" to the language.
> I haven't seen the movie myself, but according to reviews it goes the
> Highlander route and ignores the earlier sequels and proceeds from
> the first movie only.
John Savard
Quadibloc
Jun 25, 2015, 4:19:11 AM6/25/15
to
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 6:02:42 AM UTC-6, Anthony Nance wrote:
The book "Profiles of the Future" bu Arthur C. Clarke originally appeared as a
series of articles in Playboy.
John Savard
> Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:
> > But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th grade
> > so none of this was new.
> "reading", you say? :)
> > But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th grade
> > so none of this was new.
The book "Profiles of the Future" bu Arthur C. Clarke originally appeared as a
series of articles in Playboy.
John Savard
Brian M. Scott
Jun 25, 2015, 4:34:20 AM6/25/15
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote
in<news:a9fa3abd-a48b-414e...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
And you didn’t learn anything from the last time you made
this mistake.
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote
in<news:a9fa3abd-a48b-414e...@googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:
this mistake.
Anthony Nance
Jun 25, 2015, 8:07:57 AM6/25/15
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Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:42:47 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> >
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:42:47 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyhow, I'm wondering - what SF longer works[2] were
>> >> collectively assigned while you were in school? [snip]
>> >
>> > Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
>> >
>> > Does Animal Farm count?
>>
>> I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
>
> It's not as impactful as _1984_ and it's more closely tied to then-
> recent history (Trotsky, Stalin, the show trials, etc), but it's a
> decent read even if you are not familiar with early 20th century
> history.
Agreed. The edition I have came with both a foreword and an
>> >
>> > Alas Babylon by Pat Frank.
>> >
>> > Does Animal Farm count?
>>
>> I'd say yes. Just by coincidence, I started reading it last night.
>
> It's not as impactful as _1984_ and it's more closely tied to then-
> recent history (Trotsky, Stalin, the show trials, etc), but it's a
> decent read even if you are not familiar with early 20th century
> history.
introduction, by two different people. Together they provided
a lot of context, both directly (Trotsky, Stalin, etc.) and
indirectly (some of Orwell's experiences and circumstances
which influenced Animal Farm). Some of it was new to me and
helpful for my reading of the book, and I think it would be
particularly valuable for a younger reader.
Tony
Anthony Nance
Jun 25, 2015, 8:20:36 AM6/25/15
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Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:20:57 AM UTC-4, Anthony Nance wrote:
>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>> 1984, The Hobbit, The Andromeda Strain, Frankenstein,
>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>> A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,
>> Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Flowers For Algernon [snip]
>
> Pretty good choices overall with the following caveats:
>
> 1. _The Hobbit_ may have been a better choice in junior high school.
>
> 2. _Brave New World_ is a good novel to be familiar with, but the
> writing shows it age.
>
> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some other
> "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway drug.
I agree, and I think it meshes well with something you mentioned
in the Hugo thread - something to the effect that the Hugo winners
may work better for readers who have been less exposed to SF.
There are distinct differences between first/early and good/best,
including that one's standards for the latter are partly shaped by
the former. Also, the former can be more visceral/memorable because
the ideas themselves are so new, independent of how well they were
presented by the author.
Tony
Anthony Nance
Jun 25, 2015, 8:30:00 AM6/25/15
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> news:57ddbcbe-cdf2-4e1b...@googlegroups.com:
> between them, though not more than that, as I recall.
Neither here nor there, but here's an odd something I'll never
figure out: While we were reading The Andromeda Strain, they
showed us a movie version of The Terminal Man. There wasn't a
copy of TTM in the whole building, and we never saw a movie
of TAS.[1]
Go figure,
Tony
[1] Actual Hollywood movies were rarities - I think TTM
was one of the two we were shown in classes. The
other was The Great Gatsby, with Redford and Farrow.
>
>> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
>> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
>> drug.
>
> There was a movie version of it. There was even a passing resemblance
>> 3. _The Andromeda Strain_ is not a great novel, but, like some
>> other "borderline SF" bestsellers, it may work as a gateway
>> drug.
>
> between them, though not more than that, as I recall.
Neither here nor there, but here's an odd something I'll never
figure out: While we were reading The Andromeda Strain, they
showed us a movie version of The Terminal Man. There wasn't a
copy of TTM in the whole building, and we never saw a movie
of TAS.[1]
Go figure,
Tony
[1] Actual Hollywood movies were rarities - I think TTM
was one of the two we were shown in classes. The
other was The Great Gatsby, with Redford and Farrow.
leif...@dimnakorr.com
Jun 25, 2015, 8:45:02 AM6/25/15
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Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> This points to a need to add a word like "semi-reboot" to the language.
>
"Savepointing."
>
> This points to a need to add a word like "semi-reboot" to the language.
>
--
Leif roar Moldskred
Dirk van den Boom
Jun 25, 2015, 10:06:13 AM6/25/15
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Am 24.06.2015 um 22:31 schrieb Kevrob:
> If you got out of line in class, would Herr Doktor Professor threaten to make you read the complete Perry Rhodan?
There was no need to threaten me, I was a big Perry-fan from 12 and read
the series until the age of 35. PR was mentioned in a textbook as an
example of horrific and violence-adoring writing and I took an
opportunity to blast that textbook in front on my - quite leftist -
teacher at that time (not the SF-fan, another one). Wasn't my best idea,
but still, I did it.
--
www.sf-boom-blog.de
> If you got out of line in class, would Herr Doktor Professor threaten to make you read the complete Perry Rhodan?
There was no need to threaten me, I was a big Perry-fan from 12 and read
the series until the age of 35. PR was mentioned in a textbook as an
example of horrific and violence-adoring writing and I took an
opportunity to blast that textbook in front on my - quite leftist -
teacher at that time (not the SF-fan, another one). Wasn't my best idea,
but still, I did it.
--
www.sf-boom-blog.de
Dirk van den Boom
Jun 25, 2015, 10:06:57 AM6/25/15
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Am 25.06.2015 um 05:17 schrieb Robert Bannister:
> The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were translations. I
> first read "The Puppet Masters" in German. Even today, there's very
> little that's any good.
You should try the current novels by Andreas Brandthorst. I found them
> The only SF I could find in Germany in the 60s were translations. I
> first read "The Puppet Masters" in German. Even today, there's very
> little that's any good.
to be quite enjoyable.
--
www.sf-boom-blog.de
Dirk van den Boom
Jun 25, 2015, 10:07:28 AM6/25/15
to
Am 25.06.2015 um 10:34 schrieb Brian M. Scott:
> And you didn’t learn anything from the last time you made
> this mistake.
Obviously.
> And you didn’t learn anything from the last time you made
> this mistake.
*sigh*
--
www.sf-boom-blog.de
pete...@gmail.com
Jun 25, 2015, 10:51:50 AM6/25/15
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 11:10:46 PM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2015-06-24, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > On 6/23/15 8:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> >> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th
> >>> grade so none of this was new.
> >>
> >> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not reading them.
> >
> > Er, no, you're not even in high school yet at that point.
>
> But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually called 'junior
> high' here. And kids are 12-13 at that point ... not actually too young to
> be getting into compromising positions, as it were, if the parents don't have
> a 'keep the door open' policy or the like for study dates.
It varies --- Where I live, 'junior high' is called 'middle school' There's
> > On 6/23/15 8:19 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> >> On 6/23/15 3:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> But, my girlfriend and I were reading Playboys over at her house in 7th
> >>> grade so none of this was new.
> >>
> >> In 7th grade you're supposed to be trying out the poses, not reading them.
> >
> > Er, no, you're not even in high school yet at that point.
>
> But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually called 'junior
> high' here. And kids are 12-13 at that point ... not actually too young to
> be getting into compromising positions, as it were, if the parents don't have
> a 'keep the door open' policy or the like for study dates.
a 3 stage system; Kindergarten starts at age 5, and Kindergarten and grades 1-4
are 'primary school', 5-8 in 'middle school' or 'junior high', and 9-12 in
'high school', finished with 18 year olds getting their high school diplomas.
In Britain in the 70s, iirc, there was a 2 stage system, with people
transitioning at age 12-13. I did notice that this fairly reasonably
separated kids who were pre and post pubescent, but I don't know if
that was on purpose.
pt
pete...@gmail.com
Jun 25, 2015, 10:56:10 AM6/25/15
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Pretty much every named character is a direct reference to a
specific Soviet revolutionary or institution, and the story's
arc closely parallels events in the USSR.
pt
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 25, 2015, 12:00:03 PM6/25/15
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In article <e7f8f172-a9aa-4942...@googlegroups.com>,
Yup. It's an allegory, and like, say, Dante's _Commedia,_ it
needs copious notes to explain who those people were and why
they're in the story.
needs copious notes to explain who those people were and why
they're in the story.
William December Starr
Jun 25, 2015, 1:08:34 PM6/25/15
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In article <mmfc37$pn3$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) said:
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> I thought ["Jurassic World"] was a complete reboot?
>
> I read a review which said otherwise, thoughof course I can't
> track it down now even though I just read it this morning, aargh.
Addendum: found it. It was Mark Leeper's online review:
> rec.arts.movies.reviews (moderated) #41065
> From: "Mark R. Leeper" <mle...@optonline.net>
> Review: JURASSIC WORLD (2015)
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:48:34 -0400
-- wds
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) said:
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> I thought ["Jurassic World"] was a complete reboot?
>
> I read a review which said otherwise, thoughof course I can't
> track it down now even though I just read it this morning, aargh.
Addendum: found it. It was Mark Leeper's online review:
> rec.arts.movies.reviews (moderated) #41065
> From: "Mark R. Leeper" <mle...@optonline.net>
> Review: JURASSIC WORLD (2015)
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:48:34 -0400
-- wds
Ahasuerus
Jun 25, 2015, 2:37:04 PM6/25/15
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is Stalin, Snowball is Trotsky, Frederick is Hitler and Old Major is
a cross between Marx and Lenin. Everyone else is a composite portrait.
Wikipedia claims that Squealer was based on Molotov, but it's not a
perfect fit.
The story is quite transparent and you don't need to know history
to tell what's going on. If you *do* know early 20th century history,
then _Animal Farm_ is a good example of how many Western socialists
perceived the Soviet regime in the 1920s-1940s.
pete...@gmail.com
Jun 25, 2015, 3:52:54 PM6/25/15
to
casual knowledge of the history of the Soviet Union. But this rabbit
hole actually goes very, very deep.
(most of this is taken from the Wikipedia article)
Add analogs for
Grigori Zinoviev,
Lev Kamenev
Nikolai Bukharin
Alexei Rykov.
Tsar Nicholas II and his queen
Churchill
there are also, as you say, characters which represent
groups....
The proles/party members
Stakhanovites
Russian Orthodox Church
NKVD/KGB
and events, including but not limited to:
1918 Bolshevik Revolution (duh)
1918 western invasions
1922 Treaty of Rapello
1927 Party Conference
1930s show trials
1930s purges, ditto
WW2
1943 Teheran Conference
Though finished in early 1944, it even includes
predictions of the unravelling of East/West
relations post-war.
There's scarcely a detail in the book which can't be
connected to a person, group, or event in the ussr's
history from 1918 to 1944.
pt
Greg Goss
Jun 25, 2015, 4:14:25 PM6/25/15
to
pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually called 'junior
>> high' here. And kids are 12-13 at that point ... not actually too young to
>> be getting into compromising positions, as it were, if the parents don't have
>> a 'keep the door open' policy or the like for study dates.
>
>It varies --- Where I live, 'junior high' is called 'middle school' There's
>a 3 stage system; Kindergarten starts at age 5, and Kindergarten and grades 1-4
>are 'primary school', 5-8 in 'middle school' or 'junior high', and 9-12 in
>'high school', finished with 18 year olds getting their high school diplomas.
Where I grew up, the cutoffs were flexible. The boundary between Jr
>> But you're out of elementary school in the States; it's usually called 'junior
>> high' here. And kids are 12-13 at that point ... not actually too young to
>> be getting into compromising positions, as it were, if the parents don't have
>> a 'keep the door open' policy or the like for study dates.
>
>It varies --- Where I live, 'junior high' is called 'middle school' There's
>a 3 stage system; Kindergarten starts at age 5, and Kindergarten and grades 1-4
>are 'primary school', 5-8 in 'middle school' or 'junior high', and 9-12 in
>'high school', finished with 18 year olds getting their high school diplomas.
High and elementary could put Grade 7 (age 13) or even 6 into Jr High,
or into Elementary. Kay-three schools have popped up since then to
reduce the distance that very young kids have to walk, but don't have
a separate name for the school type other than listing the grades.
The boundary between Jr High and Sr High can put Grade ten on either
side of the field. (term reflects that RJSS and RSSS share the same
sports fields but that the new Sr High was built on the far side of
the fields. The Sr High was built when I was in Grade 9. 10&11 were
on the far side of the field in the half-finished school, but I moved
directly to the Sr High for grade 10. RSS was renamed RJSS after I
moved across.
(Schools are named something-or-other secondary school, but always
"high schools" in conversation. My parents refered to elementary
schools, absurdly, as "public schools", but that terminology reflected
their origins at the other end of my country - elementary schools
always got the four syllable term.
Junior High is never called "middle school" either where I am or where
I grew up.
My elementary school is now the heritage core feature in a condo
development.
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
William December Starr
Jun 25, 2015, 6:37:16 PM6/25/15
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In article <cv35ot...@mid.individual.net>,
post-life experience. See the references to Hillcrest Elementary
School in the tale of The Perfectly Good School District That Was
Eaten By A Pack Of Religious Assholes But Probably Not The Kind
You're Expecting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Ramapo_Central_School_District
-- wds
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> said:
> My elementary school is now the heritage core feature in a condo
> development.
Heh. *My* elementary school has had a much more interesting
> My elementary school is now the heritage core feature in a condo
> development.
post-life experience. See the references to Hillcrest Elementary
School in the tale of The Perfectly Good School District That Was
Eaten By A Pack Of Religious Assholes But Probably Not The Kind
You're Expecting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Ramapo_Central_School_District
-- wds
Ahasuerus
Jun 25, 2015, 6:42:41 PM6/25/15
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1. there were seven full Politburo members after Lenin's death
(Stalin, Trotsky, Tomsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Rykov, Bukharin); and
2. the last four were executed after confessing their imaginary
crimes during the famous Moscow Trials (Tomsky had committed suicide
to escape arrest)
it's conceivable that the "four young porkers" who protested against
the abolition of Sunday-morning meetings and were later killed
by Napoleon's dogs are supposed to represent Zinoviev, Kamenev,
Rykov, and Bukharin.
However, that's a rather tenuous link. The porkers appear in just
three paragraphs and have no names or personalities of their own.
OTOH, there is a great deal in the book that specifically identifies
Snowball as Trotsky, Napoleon as Stalin, Frederick as Hitler and
describes their acts and relationships in considerable detail. The
rest of the animals represent social groups and psychological types.
> Tsar Nicholas II and his queen
particular. Unlike Jones, Nicholas was not a drunkard and he didn't
"go to live in another part of the county" (where he died of alcohol
abuse) after the revolution.
> Churchill
Pilkington represents the West, but there is little to suggest he
is specifically Churchill.
[snip-snip]
> There's scarcely a detail in the book which can't be
> connected to a person, group, or event in the ussr's
> history from 1918 to 1944.
Groups and many events -- yes. Persons -- not so much as discussed
> connected to a person, group, or event in the ussr's
> history from 1918 to 1944.
above.
Anyway, the interesting thing about _Animal Farm_ is not that it's
an accurate portrayal of the Bolshevik revolution and the Soviet
regime -- far from it -- but rather that it's an accurate
portrayal of the way they were perceived by many Western socialists.
Raymond Daley
Jun 25, 2015, 6:44:14 PM6/25/15
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"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:mmfc37$pn3$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <XnsA4C39B91355...@69.16.179.43>,
>> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote
>>
>>> What I'd like to know is if the movie addresses in way the
>>> question of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called
>>> managed to get international permission to re-open the park after
>>> that "dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the
>>> second movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the
>>> park" I mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
>>
>> I thought it was a complete reboot?
>>> What I'd like to know is if the movie addresses in way the
>>> question of how the Hammond Corporation or whatever it's called
>>> managed to get international permission to re-open the park after
>>> that "dinosaurs romping around in San Diego" incident in, um, the
>>> second movie, I think it was. And by "permission to re-open the
>>> park" I mean, "not have their island nuked out of existence."
>>
>
> ...so it looks to me like they're going for in-world continuity, and
> some reviewers/reporters/nattering nabobs of cinema are confusingly
> throwing the word "reboot" around when they should be saying "restart."
>
It's neither a reboot, nor is it a restart.
The original park (and spoilers) are featured. There's supposed to be a
massive suspension of disbelief how they got permission to even look at the
freaking island, let alone go and build a new effing park there.
The movie is terrible. I'm talking Ishtar levels of terrible. By all means,
watch it.
Raymond Daley
Jun 25, 2015, 6:47:36 PM6/25/15
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"Moriarty" <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in message
news:e32f689c-5007-4409...@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 8:40:26 AM UTC+10, Raymond Daley wrote:
>> "Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
>> news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me...
>> > Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>> > lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> > were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>> What kind of awesome high school were you attending that gave you ANY SF
>> > lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>> > were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>> to
>> read?
>> Jeez, we got Shakespeare and Joe Egg.
>
> The Shakespeare we got was _A Midsummer Night's Dream_ and _The Tempest_,
> both of which qualify as SF.
>
Whilst The Tempest WAS revisioned as SF (Forbidden Planet), I don't class
> The Shakespeare we got was _A Midsummer Night's Dream_ and _The Tempest_,
> both of which qualify as SF.
>
any of Shakeys stuff as remotely SF.
I can't comment on AMND, I've never read it. When we read The Tempest, I
managed to survive. However, when we were given Romeo & Juliet I was somehow
killed twice as Mercutio and some faceless nobody who had 1 line.
Raymond Daley
Jun 25, 2015, 6:51:27 PM6/25/15
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"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:nqH3F...@kithrup.com...
> In article <rlGix.967640$UV7.8...@fx27.am4>,
> Raymond Daley <raymon...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
>>news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>>What kind of awesome high school were you attending that gave you ANY SF
>>to
>>read?
>>Jeez, we got Shakespeare and Joe Egg.
>>
>>I don't recall ever being given any SF to read for English as a subject.
>>
>>"Anthony Nance" <na...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
>>news:mmbisl$llr$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Running into a few summer reading lists and school assignment
>>> lists, I was surprised to realize how many SF longer works we
>>> were collectively assigned[1] during my time in high school:
>>
>>What kind of awesome high school were you attending that gave you ANY SF
>>to
>>read?
>>Jeez, we got Shakespeare and Joe Egg.
>>
>
> As mentioned above, me neither, but I had my revenge.
>
> As for Joe Egg, I had to google it. After my time, and on the
> other side of the pond.
It's got a long title. A Day in the Death of Joe Egg. Eddie Izzard did it on
stage once, it's on Youtube and well worth the watch. I saw a play version
too and it's tough to watch but seriously raises your intelligence level
after reading it or watching it.
art...@yahoo.com
Jun 25, 2015, 7:03:02 PM6/25/15
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On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 3:52:54 PM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
But perhaps I need to learn some Russian history first.
J. Clarke
Jun 25, 2015, 7:12:09 PM6/25/15
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In article <%u%ix.776266$SO1.6...@fx43.am4>,
raymon...@ntlworld.com says...
What, you don't believe that Costa Rican government officials are
bribeable?
raymon...@ntlworld.com says...
bribeable?
William December Starr
Jun 25, 2015, 7:22:45 PM6/25/15
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In article <%u%ix.776266$SO1.6...@fx43.am4>,
in-story. It's been 14 years since "Jurassic Park III" after all.
-- wds
"Raymond Daley" <raymon...@ntlworld.com> said:
> "William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote
>
> "William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote
>
>> ...so it looks to me like they're going for in-world continuity,
>> and some reviewers/reporters/nattering nabobs of cinema are
>> confusingly throwing the word "reboot" around when they should be
>> saying "restart."
>
> It's neither a reboot, nor is it a restart.
> The original park (and spoilers) are featured. There's supposed to
> be a massive suspension of disbelief how they got permission to
> even look at the freaking island, let alone go and build a new
> effing park there.
I meant a restart of the movie franchise, not a restart of the park
>> and some reviewers/reporters/nattering nabobs of cinema are
>> confusingly throwing the word "reboot" around when they should be
>> saying "restart."
>
> It's neither a reboot, nor is it a restart.
> The original park (and spoilers) are featured. There's supposed to
> be a massive suspension of disbelief how they got permission to
> even look at the freaking island, let alone go and build a new
> effing park there.
in-story. It's been 14 years since "Jurassic Park III" after all.
-- wds
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