Casting the Vorkosiverse
Jacey Bedford
Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
of Cordelia's Honour.
And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back to
Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in and
he's got the gravitas.
To continue through the Vorkosiverse to The Warrior's Apprentice...
Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height doesn't really
matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be filmed to look short...
Hmmm... David Tennant could have the right frenetic energy, though he's
not really as I imagine Miles to be facially and he's a bit - well -
long and skinny.
Maybe it would need someone not all that well known. Young Miles could
possibly be played by Ryan Sampson (who was Rattigan the boy genius in
the two-part season four Dr Who (Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky).
Sampson is only 5'4" and though is playing age is 16-20 he's actually in
his mid 20s (born 28 November 1985).
http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/a828/M86641.html
Bothari, however... hmm....
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Wayne Throop
: Bothari, however... hmm....
Gary Oldman. Someobdy once noted that he's quite the chameleon.
He can *certainly* do crazy.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Mike Schilling
> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a
> nightmare.
> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a
> movie of Cordelia's Honour.
>
> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back
> to Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in
> and he's got the gravitas.
Bob Hoskins.
Brenda Clough
Mandy Patinkin. But under no circumstance let him sing -- Aral would not.
Brenda
Mike Schilling
And don't let him say *that* to Mad Yuri.
Szymon Sokół
> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
Certainly.
> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
> of Cordelia's Honour.
Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back to
> Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in and
> he's got the gravitas.
Probably a good choice. He can be menacing indeed.
> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height doesn't really
> matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be filmed to look short...
> Hmmm... David Tennant could have the right frenetic energy, though he's
> not really as I imagine Miles to be facially and he's a bit - well -
> long and skinny.
Neil Patrick Harris (aka Dr Horrible) has the right kind of face. And energy
too. And looks crazy enough :-)
> Bothari, however... hmm....
According to my wife, Ben Cross. And I agree, judging by these photos:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm236294400/nm0002027
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm202739968/nm0002027
If Peter Cushing still lived, I think he would make good Ezar Vorbarra.
Any ideas for Illyan?
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Moriarty
wrote:
Aral: "Hello, my name is Aral Vorkosigan. You killed my father.
Prepare to die."
Piotr: "Son, I'm right here."
-Moriarty
Szymon Sokół
> On Oct 9, 9:08 am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Brenda Clough wrote:
[----]
>>> Mandy Patinkin. But under no circumstance let him sing -- Aral would
>>> not.
>>
>> And don't let him say *that* to Mad Yuri.
>
> Aral: "Hello, my name is Aral Vorkosigan. You killed my father.
> Prepare to die."
>
> Piotr: "Son, I'm right here."
Of course, that would be "You killed my mother". But if he repeated it some
20 times, like Inigo did...
Jack Tingle
> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>
> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
> of Cordelia's Honour.
>
> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
> Vorkosigan
[Snip YACTV thread.]
Jesus, Mary, and Elvis, no, make it stop! Not another "casting the movie
from the book" thread. Next you'll try the Honorverse--again. AGHHH! My
eyes!
Regards,
Jack Tingle
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
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> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was
> right. Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would
> be a nightmare.
>
> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in
> a movie of Cordelia's Honour.
>
A thought I've had many times myself.
> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't
> really watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep
> coming back to Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks
> kinda lived in and he's got the gravitas.
>
Possibly. Can't think of a better choice at the moment.
> To continue through the Vorkosiverse to The Warrior's
> Apprentice...
>
> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
> doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
> filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
> right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine Miles
> to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a real
dward, or some extensive cgi.
>
> Maybe it would need someone not all that well known. Young Miles
> could possibly be played by Ryan Sampson (who was Rattigan the
> boy genius in the two-part season four Dr Who (Sontaran
> Stratagem/The Poison Sky). Sampson is only 5'4" and though is
> playing age is 16-20 he's actually in his mid 20s (born 28
> November 1985).
> http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/a828/M86641.html
And Clive Owen for That Idiot Ivan.
>
> Bothari, however... hmm....
>
Tough one, since the guy who played Lyrch is too old (if he's even
still alive, which seems doubtful).
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
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Only in fanfic.
On the other hand, slash might actually be hard to *do* in that
case.
Mike Schilling
>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
>> doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
>> filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
>> right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine Miles
>> to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
>
> Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
> proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a real
> dward, or some extensive cgi.
Why not Peter Dinklage? He's going to be Tyrion Lannister, which is close.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Certainly an experienced actor. If he's especially susceptible to
caffeine enhancement, he might be able to pull of the manic-ness,
even.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole. - David
Bilek
Yeah, I had Terry confused with Hannibal Lecter. - Mike Schilling
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>>
>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a
>> movie of Cordelia's Honour.
>>
>> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral Vorkosigan
>
> [Snip YACTV thread.]
>
> Jesus, Mary, and Elvis, no, make it stop! Not another "casting the movie
> from the book" thread.
If you're too weak to handle it, step away from the computer.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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Lawrence Watt-Evans
<taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>news:JrbuzeNL$kzK...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
>
>> Bothari, however... hmm....
>>
>Tough one, since the guy who played Lyrch is too old (if he's even
>still alive, which seems doubtful).
He's not. He died distressingly young.
I'm blanking on his name.
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Carl Dershem
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> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:47:18 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>news:JrbuzeNL$kzK...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
>>
>
>>> Bothari, however... hmm....
>>>
>>Tough one, since the guy who played Lyrch is too old (if he's even
>>still alive, which seems doubtful).
>
> He's not. He died distressingly young.
>
> I'm blanking on his name.
Ted Cassidy. Nice guy. Died about ... 30 years ago?
cd
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The difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl
Grey.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote in
>news:15ftc55l0o2aflo8d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:47:18 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>news:JrbuzeNL$kzK...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>
>>>> Bothari, however... hmm....
>>>>
>>>Tough one, since the guy who played Lyrch is too old (if he's even
>>>still alive, which seems doubtful).
>>
>> He's not. He died distressingly young.
>>
>> I'm blanking on his name.
>
>Ted Cassidy. Nice guy. Died about ... 30 years ago?
Sounds right.
Robert A. Woodward
Not for Simon for _Shards of Honor_/_Barrayar_; but for the Miles stories, David
McCallum is the man.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
Louann Miller
september.org:
> Jesus, Mary, and Elvis, no, make it stop! Not another "casting the movie
> from the book" thread. Next you'll try the Honorverse--again. AGHHH! My
> eyes!
Joanne Kelly from "Warehouse 13" as Honor.
pbbbt.
Jacey Bedford
writes
>: Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
>: Bothari, however... hmm....
>
>Gary Oldman. Someobdy once noted that he's quite the chameleon.
>He can *certainly* do crazy.
I imagine Bothari looks more like a younger Lee Marvin on a bad day.
Gary Oldman could be mad but I've never seem him play tough (as in
grizzled veteran).
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Jacey Bedford
<mscotts...@hotmail.com> writes
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Jacey Bedford
<Bre...@sff.net> writes
Hmm... That might work.
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Too old, if we're talking about the early days (when they met). If
you're just thinking of the adult Miles stories, yes, could be.
mikea
Charles Bronson with a mad on.
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Jacey Bedford
<wjti...@hotmail.com> writes
Luckily I've never read the Honorverse.
:-)
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Jacey Bedford
=?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl>
writes
>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>
>Certainly.
>
>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
>> of Cordelia's Honour.
>
>Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
wide acting range.
Do you have someone else in mind?
>
>> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
>> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
>> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back to
>> Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in and
>> he's got the gravitas.
>
>Probably a good choice. He can be menacing indeed.
>
>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height doesn't really
>> matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be filmed to look short...
>> Hmmm... David Tennant could have the right frenetic energy, though he's
>> not really as I imagine Miles to be facially and he's a bit - well -
>> long and skinny.
>
>Neil Patrick Harris (aka Dr Horrible) has the right kind of face. And energy
>too. And looks crazy enough :-)
I'll give him the crazy part but I don't see him as Miles.
>
>> Bothari, however... hmm....
>
>According to my wife, Ben Cross. And I agree, judging by these photos:
>http://www.imdb.com/media/rm236294400/nm0002027
>http://www.imdb.com/media/rm202739968/nm0002027
I wasn't sure until I saw the second of those pics, but yes.
>
>If Peter Cushing still lived, I think he would make good Ezar Vorbarra.
>
>Any ideas for Illyan?
Oooh... I know it's the name, but I always have David McCallum in my
head. It's that old Illya Kuriakin connection in my subconscious. He's
too old now, probably, as is Patrick Stewart, (unfortunately)
Actually thinking about it - Chris Eccleston might do a very good job of
Illyan. Or even Hugh Laurie.
What about Drou and Kou?
I always think of Drou being played by the woman who played Ivanova in
Babylon Five, but she'll be too old now. It needs someone who looks
perfectly capable of slapping down an average six foot male.
Kou actually could be David Tennant. He can play not manic as well as
manic and he looks right and could probably manage the age range (the
jump from Cordelia's honour to the Miles books).
Jacey
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Lawrence Watt-Evans
<look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>In message <h6nxzqu594t7$.d...@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon
>=?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl>
>writes
>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>
>>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
>>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>>
>>Certainly.
>>
>>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
>>> of Cordelia's Honour.
>>
>>Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
>
>Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
>40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
>wide acting range.
>
>What about Drou and Kou?
>
>I always think of Drou being played by the woman who played Ivanova in
>Babylon Five, but she'll be too old now. It needs someone who looks
>perfectly capable of slapping down an average six foot male.
Um... that was Claudia Black.
Chris Thompson
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:18:51 -0700 (PDT), Moriarty wrote:
>
>> On Oct 9, 9:08 am, "Mike Schilling" <mscottschill...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Brenda Clough wrote:
> [----]
>>>> Mandy Patinkin. But under no circumstance let him sing -- Aral would
>>>> not.
>>> And don't let him say *that* to Mad Yuri.
>> Aral: "Hello, my name is Aral Vorkosigan. You killed my father.
>> Prepare to die."
>>
>> Piotr: "Son, I'm right here."
>
> Of course, that would be "You killed my mother". But if he repeated it some
> 20 times, like Inigo did...
What he actually said to Yuri was, IIRC, "you killed all the children
in that room" -- a reference to an incident nowhere elaborated on in
the canon.
--
Chris Thompson
Email: cet1 [at] cam.ac.uk
Anthony Nance
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:41:18 +0100, Jacey Bedford
> <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In message <h6nxzqu594t7$.d...@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon
>>=?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl>
>>writes
>>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
>>>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>>>
>>>Certainly.
>>>
>>>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
>>>> of Cordelia's Honour.
>>>
>>>Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
>>
>>Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
>>40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
>>wide acting range.
>>
>>What about Drou and Kou?
>>
>>I always think of Drou being played by the woman who played Ivanova in
>>Babylon Five, but she'll be too old now. It needs someone who looks
>>perfectly capable of slapping down an average six foot male.
>
> Um... that was Claudia Black.
Claudia Christian played Ivanova in B5. Claudia Black was in Farscape.
- Tony
Tim McDaniel
I thought it referred to ... checking Aral Vorkosigan's Wikipedia page
[!] ... "[Yuri's] paranoia mounted, until he finally ordered death
squads to kill every potential heir to the imperial bloodline. These
persons included the then eleven-year-old Aral Vorkosigan, his
siblings, and his mother, Olivia, daughter of Prince Xav Vorbarra.
Aral and his mother and sister were caught at an official state
luncheon. He survived, but his mother and sister were killed. Aral
and his baby cousin Padma Vorpatril (son of Olivia's sister) were the
only people to survive the encounter at the luncheon." That is, I
interpreted the remark as Aral saying that Yuri had ended his
childhood, only metaphorically killing the child Aral.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
Aaugh!
You're right, of course.
Mike Schilling
And Claudia Cardinale was in The Pink Panther.
Louann Miller
> That is, I
> interpreted the remark as Aral saying that Yuri had ended his
> childhood, only metaphorically killing the child Aral.
Exactly. I didn't realize it was interpretable otherwise.
zuul
"Szymon Sok�l" <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl> wrote in message
news:h6nxzqu594t7$.dlg@falcon.sloth.hell.pl...
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>
> Certainly.
>
>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
>> of Cordelia's Honour.
>
> Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
>
>> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
>> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back to
>> Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in and
>> he's got the gravitas.
>
> Probably a good choice. He can be menacing indeed.
>
>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height doesn't really
>> matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be filmed to look short...
>> Hmmm... David Tennant could have the right frenetic energy, though he's
>> not really as I imagine Miles to be facially and he's a bit - well -
>> long and skinny.
>
> Neil Patrick Harris (aka Dr Horrible) has the right kind of face. And
> energy
> too. And looks crazy enough :-)
>
>
> According to my wife, Ben Cross. And I agree, judging by these photos:
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm236294400/nm0002027
> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm202739968/nm0002027
>
>
> Any ideas for Illyan?
Peter Firth from MI5
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:41:18 +0100, Jacey Bedford
> <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In message <h6nxzqu594t7$.d...@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon
>> =?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl>
>> writes
>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
>>>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>>> Certainly.
>>>
>>>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
>>>> of Cordelia's Honour.
>>> Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
>> Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
>> 40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
>> wide acting range.
>>
>> What about Drou and Kou?
>>
>> I always think of Drou being played by the woman who played Ivanova in
>> Babylon Five, but she'll be too old now. It needs someone who looks
>> perfectly capable of slapping down an average six foot male.
>
> Um... that was Claudia Black.
Did she marry someone named "Black"? Because it was Claudia Christian
on the credits.
zuul
"Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy" <taus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C9EAAC846E...@69.16.186.50...
> Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>
>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was
>> right. Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would
>> be a nightmare.
>>
>> a movie of Cordelia's Honour.
>>
>
>> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
>> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't
>> really watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep
>> coming back to Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks
>> kinda lived in and he's got the gravitas.
>>
>
>> To continue through the Vorkosiverse to The Warrior's
>> Apprentice...
>>
>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
>> doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
>> filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
>> right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine Miles
>> to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
>
> proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a real
>>
>> Maybe it would need someone not all that well known. Young Miles
>> could possibly be played by Ryan Sampson (who was Rattigan the
>> boy genius in the two-part season four Dr Who (Sontaran
>> Stratagem/The Poison Sky). Sampson is only 5'4" and though is
>> playing age is 16-20 he's actually in his mid 20s (born 28
>> November 1985).
>> http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/a828/M86641.html
>
> And Clive Owen for That Idiot Ivan.
>>
>> Bothari, however... hmm....
>>
> Tough one, since the guy who played Lyrch is too old (if he's even
> still alive, which seems doubtful).
>
zuul
"Brenda Clough" <Bre...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:haln74$r5v$2...@adenine.netfront.net...
> Mike Schilling wrote:
>> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a
>>> nightmare.
>>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a
>>> movie of Cordelia's Honour.
>>>
>>> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
>>> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back
>>> to Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in
>>> and he's got the gravitas.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
I can see Stellen Scarsgard or Jurgen Procnow
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:4acfa5c5$0$31264$607e...@cv.net:
Well, this picture
http://wearemoviegeeks.com/wp-content/vinnie-jones.jpg
seems to show something of the right attitude, at any rate.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Mike Van Pelt
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
>> doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
>> filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
>> right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine Miles
>> to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
>
>Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
>proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a
>real dward, or some extensive cgi.
You're thinking of achondroplastic (probably mispelled)
dwarfism, which is a genetic condition. There's no indication
that Miles is proportioned that way. His dwarfism is not due
to any genetics. I recall his descriptions as being more or
less normally proportioned (though skinny?) but very short.
There's also ... not sure what it's called, insufficient
growth hormone dwarfism, which results in very short adults,
like "Major Tom Thumb" who worked for P. T. Barnum's circus.
You don't often notice people with this condition these days,
because when they're diagnosed as kids, they get growth
hormone injections and grow to normal size adults.
--
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mvp.at.calweb.com Camelot, then we get to talk about
KE6BVH The Lady in the Lake." - ?
erilar
Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Actually thinking about it - Chris Eccleston might do a very good job of
> Illyan. Or even Hugh Laurie.
Eccleston I can see. Young David McCallum would be the ideal, though
8-)
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:4acfbe3d$0$11897$d36...@news.calweb.com:
> In article <Xns9C9EAAC846E...@69.16.186.50>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
>>> doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
>>> filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
>>> right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine
>>> Miles to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
>>
>>Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
>>proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a
>>real dward, or some extensive cgi.
>
> You're thinking of achondroplastic (probably mispelled)
> dwarfism, which is a genetic condition.
Actually, there are. He's described as having the torso of an
adult with shorter limbs.
He's also described as a hunchback, even after all the corrective
surgery.
> There's no indication
> that Miles is proportioned that way. His dwarfism is not due
> to any genetics. I recall his descriptions as being more or
> less normally proportioned (though skinny?) but very short.
>
> There's also ... not sure what it's called, insufficient
> growth hormone dwarfism, which results in very short adults,
> like "Major Tom Thumb" who worked for P. T. Barnum's circus.
> You don't often notice people with this condition these days,
> because when they're diagnosed as kids, they get growth
> hormone injections and grow to normal size adults.
>
What would have been called a midget in days gone by. In any
event, Miles is very consistently described as "a hunchbacked
dwarf" throughout the series.
Mike Schilling
> In article <Xns9C9EAAC846E...@69.16.186.50>,
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
>>> doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
>>> filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
>>> right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine Miles
>>> to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
>>
>> Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
>> proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a
>> real dward, or some extensive cgi.
>
> You're thinking of achondroplastic (probably mispelled)
> dwarfism, which is a genetic condition. There's no indication
> that Miles is proportioned that way. His dwarfism is not due
> to any genetics. I recall his descriptions as being more or
> less normally proportioned (though skinny?) but very short.
Miles's head is overlarge for his body, though not grotesquely so.
David Johnston
<taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's also ... not sure what it's called, insufficient
>> growth hormone dwarfism, which results in very short adults,
>> like "Major Tom Thumb" who worked for P. T. Barnum's circus.
>> You don't often notice people with this condition these days,
>> because when they're diagnosed as kids, they get growth
>> hormone injections and grow to normal size adults.
>>
>What would have been called a midget in days gone by. In any
>event, Miles is very consistently described as "a hunchbacked
>dwarf" throughout the series.
I don't think he actually has a hump though, just severe spinal
curvature. In fact I've got the impression that if he could
straighten up he wouldn't be all that short.
Mark Reichert
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:41:18 +0100, Jacey Bedford
>
> >>In message <h6nxzqu594t7$....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon
> >>=?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl>
> >>writes
> >>>On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> >>>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
> >>>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
>
> >>>Certainly.
>
> >>>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
> >>>> of Cordelia's Honour.
>
> >>>Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
>
> >>Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
> >>40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
> >>wide acting range.
>
> >>What about Drou and Kou?
>
> >>I always think of Drou being played by the woman who played Ivanova in
> >>Babylon Five, but she'll be too old now. It needs someone who looks
> >>perfectly capable of slapping down an average six foot male.
>
> > Um... that was Claudia Black.
>
> Claudia Christian played Ivanova in B5. Claudia Black was in Farscape.
Farscape and the last seasons of Stargate SG-1.
Have I mentioned the 200th episode lately?<g>
Mark Reichert
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:41:18 +0100, Jacey Bedford
>
> >> In message <h6nxzqu594t7$....@falcon.sloth.hell.pl>, Szymon
> >> =?utf-8?Q?Sok=C3=B3=C5=82?= <szy...@bastard.operator.from.hell.pl>
> >> writes
> >>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:47:07 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> >>>> Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was right.
> >>>> Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would be a nightmare.
> >>> Certainly.
>
> >>>> In another thread I suggested Claudia Black to play Cordelia in a movie
> >>>> of Cordelia's Honour.
> >>> Ah, so you *meant* it. Here we disagree.
> >> Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
> >> 40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
> >> wide acting range.
>
> >> What about Drou and Kou?
>
> >> I always think of Drou being played by the woman who played Ivanova in
> >> Babylon Five, but she'll be too old now. It needs someone who looks
> >> perfectly capable of slapping down an average six foot male.
>
> > Um... that was Claudia Black.
>
> Did she marry someone named "Black"? Because it was Claudia Christian
> on the credits.
Does everybody prefer pulling stuff out of thin air (I could be
harsher) rather than hitting imdb?
Photos are available and they are clearly not the same woman.
Chris
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote innews:JrbuzeNL$kzK...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
>
> > Whoever said that books have better visuals than movies was
> > right. Mostly right, anyway. Casting favourite characters would
> > be a nightmare.
>
> > a movie of Cordelia's Honour.
>
>
> > And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
> > Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't
> > really watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep
> > coming back to Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks
> > kinda lived in and he's got the gravitas.
>
> Possibly. Can't think of a better choice at the moment.
/old fart mode
Twenty years ago I would have suggested Hardy Kruger
/old fart mode
Chris
>
> > To continue through the Vorkosiverse to The Warrior's
> > Apprentice...
>
> > Casting Miles would be tough. Bearing in mind the height
> > doesn't really matter because (as on LOTR) tall people can be
> > filmed to look short... Hmmm... David Tennant could have the
> > right frenetic energy, though he's not really as I imagine Miles
> > to be facially and he's a bit - well - long and skinny.
>
> Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
> proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a real
> dward, or some extensive cgi.
>
>
>
> > Maybe it would need someone not all that well known. Young Miles
> > could possibly be played by Ryan Sampson (who was Rattigan the
> > boy genius in the two-part season four Dr Who (Sontaran
> > Stratagem/The Poison Sky). Sampson is only 5'4" and though is
> > playing age is 16-20 he's actually in his mid 20s (born 28
> > November 1985).
> >http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/a828/M86641.html
>
> And Clive Owen for That Idiot Ivan.
>
> > Bothari, however... hmm....
>
> Tough one, since the guy who played Lyrch is too old (if he's even
> still alive, which seems doubtful).
>
Mark Reichert
> Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
> 40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong but she's got a
> wide acting range.
She also fits the strong featured description of Cordelia.
Angelica Huston might have fit the role decades ago.
> >> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
> >> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
> >> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back to
> >> Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in and
> >> he's got the gravitas.
>
> >Probably a good choice. He can be menacing indeed.
Oliver Reed was who Lois had in mind when writing Aral in Shards.
People might keep that in mind for picking the current equivalent.
> >Neil Patrick Harris (aka Dr Horrible) has the right kind of face. And energy
> >too. And looks crazy enough :-)
>
> I'll give him the crazy part but I don't see him as Miles.
As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
Michael J. Fox. Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
Danny Strong, Jonathan of Buffy (and screenwriter of HBO's movie
Recount on the 2000 debacle) was suggested here awhile back. A scene
in the Buffy episode Superstar in which he is commanding much bigger
soldiers was highly similar to Miles. He is only 3-4 inches too tall.
> Oooh... I know it's the name, but I always have David McCallum in my
> head. It's that old Illya Kuriakin connection in my subconscious.
Given that Lois had him in mind in the first place.....
David Johnston
<Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 9, 1:41�pm, Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Well, you're looking for someone who can play a very active intelligent
>> 40 year old. I know Claudia Black's colouring is wrong �but she's got a
>> wide acting range.
>
>She also fits the strong featured description of Cordelia.
>
>Angelica Huston might have fit the role decades ago.
>
>> >> And I've just been thinking about who could possibly play Aral
>> >> Vorkosigan - a.k.a. 'The Butcher of Komarr'. Mutch as I don't really
>> >> watch many of his movies and I'm not really a fan I keep coming back to
>> >> Robert deNiro. He's stocky enough, his face looks kinda lived in and
>> >> he's got the gravitas.
>>
>> >Probably a good choice. He can be menacing indeed.
>
>Oliver Reed was who Lois had in mind when writing Aral in Shards.
Well Aral was a bit of a drinker.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
IMDB is like Google; for the weak.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:nkkvc55otqi35k1np...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:10:43 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> There's also ... not sure what it's called, insufficient
>>> growth hormone dwarfism, which results in very short adults,
>>> like "Major Tom Thumb" who worked for P. T. Barnum's circus.
>>> You don't often notice people with this condition these days,
>>> because when they're diagnosed as kids, they get growth
>>> hormone injections and grow to normal size adults.
>>>
>>What would have been called a midget in days gone by. In any
>>event, Miles is very consistently described as "a hunchbacked
>>dwarf" throughout the series.
>
> I don't think he actually has a hump though, just severe spinal
> curvature.
Yes.
> In fact I've got the impression that if he could
> straighten up he wouldn't be all that short.
>
Later books mentioned he had picked up several inches due to the
various corrective surgeries to straighten the spine. Might have
finally made 5', even.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole. - David
Bilek
Yeah, I had Terry confused with Hannibal Lecter. - Mike Schilling
Brenda Clough
This is going to be dificult to cast. I suggest picking an actor of the
right type and face, and resorting to costume cleverness and film
trickery to get him to look slightly deformed and rather short. All you
would need is properly padded jackets, and perhaps a thicker sole on one
shoe to force an uneven posture. No nude scenes, of course.
Brenda
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
There are actually (implied) nude scenes in at least two books.
Wayne Throop
:: head. It's that old Illya Kuriakin connection in my subconscious.
: Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com>
: Given that Lois had him in mind in the first place.....
"What did Ducky look like when he was younger?"
"Illia Kuriakin."
--- Todd and Gibbs, re Dr. Mallard
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
David DeLaney
>Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Except he doesn't look short, he looks like a dwarf. The
>>proportions are wrong. Would never work. It would have to be a
>>real dward, or some extensive cgi.
>
>You're thinking of achondroplastic (probably mispelled)
>dwarfism, which is a genetic condition. There's no indication
>that Miles is proportioned that way. His dwarfism is not due
>to any genetics. I recall his descriptions as being more or
>less normally proportioned (though skinny?) but very short.
Yep. He's missing height - the bones didn't grow right. He's not missing
muscle mass, etc. (I had a friend in college who was missing a few vertebrae
out of his spine; he was short, stocky, but not dwarf-proportioned.)
Also, whichever actor you get to play him? Has to be able to move at
restrained hyper-speed most of the time AND always be moving like he's
making sure he won't break a bone in the next few seconds. Miles' childhood
experiences have GOT to have altered the way he habitually moves in ways
that normal people usually never get.
Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Anthony Frost
Brenda Clough <Bre...@sff.net> wrote:
> Mike Schilling wrote:
> > Miles's head is overlarge for his body, though not grotesquely so.
>
> This is going to be dificult to cast. I suggest picking an actor of the
> right type and face, and resorting to costume cleverness and film
> trickery to get him to look slightly deformed and rather short. All you
> would need is properly padded jackets, and perhaps a thicker sole on one
> shoe to force an uneven posture. No nude scenes, of course.
Andy Serkis did quite a good job of a physically deformed character
(clad in just a loin cloth even) for a popular trilogy of films...
Anthony
John F. Eldredge
Of course, you weren't actually seeing Andy Serkis. You were seeing a
computer-generated image that mimicked Andy Serkis' movements.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Louann Miller
news:haot25$f59$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>> Um... that was Claudia Black.
>>> Did she marry someone named "Black"? Because it was Claudia
>>> Christian
>>> on the credits.
>>
>> Does everybody prefer pulling stuff out of thin air (I could be
>> harsher) rather than hitting imdb?
>>
>
> IMDB is like Google; for the weak.
Tall brunette actress, not an ingenue, playing hard-ass soldier, Babylon
5: Claudia Christian.
Tall brunette actress, not an ingenue, playing hard-ass soldier,
Farscape: Claudia Black.
(gets all violent using wet noodle as blunt instrument.)
Taki Kogoma
allegedly proclaimed to rec.arts.sf.written:
> Brenda Clough <Bre...@sff.net> wrote in
> news:haovjn$1314$1...@adenine.netfront.net:
>> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>> Miles's head is overlarge for his body, though not grotesquely
>>> so.
>>
>> This is going to be dificult to cast. I suggest picking an
>> actor of the right type and face, and resorting to costume
>> cleverness and film trickery to get him to look slightly
>> deformed and rather short. All you would need is properly
>> padded jackets, and perhaps a thicker sole on one shoe to force
>> an uneven posture. No nude scenes, of course.
>
> There are actually (implied) nude scenes in at least two books.
Somehow, I suspect significant cosmetic alterations to a filmed
version of "The Borders of Infinity". (Actually, I anticipate
alterations sufficient to render it unrecognizable.)
Then there's casting (post-op) Eli Quinn...
Also, we need an Ivan who somehow shows some family resemblance to
Miles. ("Miles minus the distortions" is one description that comes
to mind.)
--
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) quirk @ swcp.com
Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.
Mike Schilling
>
> Then there's casting (post-op) Eli Quinn...
Charlize Theron, looking like herself but acting a bit like she did in
Monster.
>
> Also, we need an Ivan who somehow shows some family resemblance to
> Miles. ("Miles minus the distortions" is one description that comes
> to mind.)
Brenden Fraser. He can play both smart and dumb, and could, I think,
do a fine job with
smart-but-acting-dumb-for-so-long-it's-become-second-nature.
erilar
<b1324221-3d11-4387...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
> Michael J. Fox. Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
> 80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
Oh, YES! I can't imagine anyone who could have played Miles better!
Drat!
Dorothy J Heydt
I'm coming to this thread late, so forgive me if I ask what
was answered long ago ... if Fraser is gonna play Ivan, who
in heck do you suggest to play Miles? Andy Serkis in his
Gollum outfit?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Mike Schilling
> In article <haqbch$ke2$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike Schilling <mscotts...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Taki Kogoma wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Then there's casting (post-op) Eli Quinn...
>>
>> Charlize Theron, looking like herself but acting a bit like she did
>> in Monster.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, we need an Ivan who somehow shows some family resemblance to
>>> Miles. ("Miles minus the distortions" is one description that
>>> comes
>>> to mind.)
>>
>> Brenden Fraser. He can play both smart and dumb, and could, I
>> think,
>> do a fine job with
>> smart-but-acting-dumb-for-so-long-it's-become-second-nature.
>
> I'm coming to this thread late, so forgive me if I ask what
> was answered long ago ... if Fraser is gonna play Ivan, who
> in heck do you suggest to play Miles? Andy Serkis in his
> Gollum outfit?
My suggestion was Peter Dinklage. There is some resemblence.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0227759/
Dorothy J Heydt
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article
><b1324221-3d11-4387...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
>> Michael J. Fox. Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
>> 80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
>
>Oh, YES! I can't imagine anyone who could have played Miles better!
>Drat!
Oh, I can. David Rappaport.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:slrnhd1agl...@chishio.swcp.com:
> On 2009-10-10, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> allegedly proclaimed to
> rec.arts.sf.written:
>> Brenda Clough <Bre...@sff.net> wrote in
>> news:haovjn$1314$1...@adenine.netfront.net:
>>> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>>> Miles's head is overlarge for his body, though not
>>>> grotesquely so.
>>>
>>> This is going to be dificult to cast. I suggest picking an
>>> actor of the right type and face, and resorting to costume
>>> cleverness and film trickery to get him to look slightly
>>> deformed and rather short. All you would need is properly
>>> padded jackets, and perhaps a thicker sole on one shoe to
>>> force an uneven posture. No nude scenes, of course.
>>
>> There are actually (implied) nude scenes in at least two books.
>
> Somehow, I suspect significant cosmetic alterations to a filmed
> version of "The Borders of Infinity". (Actually, I anticipate
> alterations sufficient to render it unrecognizable.)
I anticipate we will never see it filmed at all.
>
> Then there's casting (post-op) Eli Quinn...
Looks aren't a problem. Hot women are a dime a dozen. Finding
someone who can act is another story.
>
> Also, we need an Ivan who somehow shows some family resemblance
> to Miles. ("Miles minus the distortions" is one description
> that comes to mind.)
>
That depends on who gets cast a Miles, though.
Mark Reichert
> In article <drache-B6C3A3.11341810102...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >In article
> > Mark Reichert <Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
> >> Michael J. Fox. Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
> >> 80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
>
> >Oh, YES! I can't imagine anyone who could have played Miles better!
> >Drat!
>
> Oh, I can. David Rappaport.
This David Rappaport?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rappaport
He was twice farther in height from Miles than Fox was and ten years
older.
He was closer in the misshaped body department than Fox. Could he
project the manic energy of Miles, which Fox certainly could before
the Parkinson's?
Dorothy J Heydt
Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 10, 12:08�pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article <drache-B6C3A3.11341810102...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>
>> erilar �<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >In article
>> ><b1324221-3d11-4387-9671-f192638e0...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Mark Reichert <Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
>> >> Michael J. Fox. �Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
>> >> 80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
>>
>> >Oh, YES! �I can't imagine anyone who could have played Miles better!
>> >Drat!
>>
>> Oh, I can. �David Rappaport.
>
>This David Rappaport?
The one and only.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rappaport
>
>He was twice farther in height from Miles than Fox was and ten years
>older.
>
>He was closer in the misshaped body department than Fox. Could he
>project the manic energy of Miles, which Fox certainly could before
>the Parkinson's?
You bet he could.
Jerry Brown
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <5d99b817-6dd8-448f...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Oct 10, 12:08�pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>> In article <drache-B6C3A3.11341810102...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>
>>> erilar �<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> >In article
>>> ><b1324221-3d11-4387-9671-f192638e0...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Mark Reichert <Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
>>> >> Michael J. Fox. �Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
>>> >> 80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
>>>
>>> >Oh, YES! �I can't imagine anyone who could have played Miles better!
>>> >Drat!
>>>
>>> Oh, I can. �David Rappaport.
>>
>>This David Rappaport?
>
>The one and only.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rappaport
>>
>>He was twice farther in height from Miles than Fox was and ten years
>>older.
>>
>>He was closer in the misshaped body department than Fox. Could he
>>project the manic energy of Miles, which Fox certainly could before
>>the Parkinson's?
>
>You bet he could.
Peter Dinklage has been mentioned a couple of times elsewhere. I add
my vote to those, as he has both the advantages of being alive and
(IMO) the range to play adult Miles in all his various manic,
depressed, etc phases. He was one of the few saving graces of
"Threshold" (a sort of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers: The Next
Generation" served up by the people who also gave us "Star Trek
Enterprise").
Jerry Brown
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(but probably won't bother)
Jacey Bedford
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes
>In article
><b1324221-3d11-4387...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I'm concerned, we're looking for the current equivalent of
>> Michael J. Fox. Who had the energy and talent for the role in the
>> 80's and was only 5-6 inches too tall.
>
>Oh, YES! I can't imagine anyone who could have played Miles better!
>Drat!
>
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
<mscotts...@hotmail.com> writes
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
<qu...@swcp.com> writes
>On 2009-10-10, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com>
>allegedly proclaimed to rec.arts.sf.written:
>> Brenda Clough <Bre...@sff.net> wrote in
>> news:haovjn$1314$1...@adenine.netfront.net:
>>> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>>> Miles's head is overlarge for his body, though not grotesquely
>>>> so.
>>>
>>> This is going to be dificult to cast. I suggest picking an
>>> actor of the right type and face, and resorting to costume
>>> cleverness and film trickery to get him to look slightly
>>> deformed and rather short. All you would need is properly
>>> padded jackets, and perhaps a thicker sole on one shoe to force
>>> an uneven posture. No nude scenes, of course.
>>
>> There are actually (implied) nude scenes in at least two books.
Standing naked on the ice in solidarity with his troops on... One of the
early books (Warrior's Apprentice) for starters, not to mention the
adventures with Taura.
>
>Somehow, I suspect significant cosmetic alterations to a filmed
>version of "The Borders of Infinity". (Actually, I anticipate
>alterations sufficient to render it unrecognizable.)
>
>Then there's casting (post-op) Eli Quinn...
Roles like that tend to get cast by picking 'starlet of the month'
>
>Also, we need an Ivan who somehow shows some family resemblance to
>Miles. ("Miles minus the distortions" is one description that comes
>to mind.)
Have to cast Miles first...
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
<mscotts...@hotmail.com> writes
pictures.) His face isn't right. IIRC despite all else Miles still has
the face of an aristocrat. I think Dinklage looks much shorter in the
arms than Miles, and that would be difficult to disguise. He also looks
too old.
Jacey
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:Y8MaGjcK...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
> In message <slrnhd1agl...@chishio.swcp.com>, Taki Kogoma
> <qu...@swcp.com> writes
>>On 2009-10-10, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>><taus...@gmail.com> allegedly proclaimed to
>>rec.arts.sf.written:
>>> Brenda Clough <Bre...@sff.net> wrote in
>>> news:haovjn$1314$1...@adenine.netfront.net:
>>>> Mike Schilling wrote:
>>>>> Miles's head is overlarge for his body, though not
>>>>> grotesquely so.
>>>>
>>>> This is going to be dificult to cast. I suggest picking an
>>>> actor of the right type and face, and resorting to costume
>>>> cleverness and film trickery to get him to look slightly
>>>> deformed and rather short. All you would need is properly
>>>> padded jackets, and perhaps a thicker sole on one shoe to
>>>> force an uneven posture. No nude scenes, of course.
>>>
>>> There are actually (implied) nude scenes in at least two
>>> books.
>
> Standing naked on the ice in solidarity with his troops on...
> One of the early books (Warrior's Apprentice) for starters, not
> to mention the adventures with Taura.
A lot of it could easily be done as implied nudity (careful camera
angles), but the prison camp, that would be so obviously contrived
as to simply suck.
>>
>>Somehow, I suspect significant cosmetic alterations to a filmed
>>version of "The Borders of Infinity". (Actually, I anticipate
>>alterations sufficient to render it unrecognizable.)
>>
>>Then there's casting (post-op) Eli Quinn...
>
> Roles like that tend to get cast by picking 'starlet of the
> month'
Eli, however, needs someone who can *act*.
>>
>>Also, we need an Ivan who somehow shows some family resemblance
>>to Miles. ("Miles minus the distortions" is one description
>>that comes to mind.)
>
> Have to cast Miles first...
>
Indeed.
Walter Bushell
It would have to be done as a cartoon. Pardon me, animated feature.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:proto-2CA376....@news.panix.com:
Why? What would be even slightly difficult to do live action?
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Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Dorothy J Heydt
All that moving forced-perspective. Still, I suppose they
worked most of the bugs out while filming _The Lord of the
Rings._ The moving forced-perspective bugs, I mean; not the
other ones.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:KrIKz...@kithrup.com:
Plus, Miles isn't actually all *that* short. There's an excellent
chance no forced perspective would be needed.
Walter Bushell
Casting Miles. The others could be real live people. It might be cheaper
to animate the butter bugs, though.
Walter Bushell
You'd still need a charismatic short actor, women of normal size if he
looked straight forward he was looking into their "cleavage".
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
And? there are millions of actors, and many of them are, in fact,
short. There are man tales of taller actresses having to stand in
trenches to be shorter than their costars, and other such tricks.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole. -
David Bilek
Yeah, I had Terry confused with Hannibal Lecter. - Mike Schilling
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
So could Miles, with trivial makeup and costuming. Far easier than
LotR.
> It might be
> cheaper to animate the butter bugs, though.
>
Most certainly, but not in a cartoonish way. No reason to.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole. -
David Bilek
Yeah, I had Terry confused with Hannibal Lecter. - Mike Schilling
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
erilar
Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
Or you could cast really tall women. . . 8-)
David Johnston
<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <proto-D29D97....@news.panix.com>,
> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9CA46C5E95...@69.16.186.7>,
>> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Plus, Miles isn't actually all *that* short. There's an excellent
>> > chance no forced perspective would be needed.
>>
>> You'd still need a charismatic short actor, women of normal size if he
>> looked straight forward he was looking into their "cleavage".
>
>Or you could cast really tall women. . . 8-)
Invest in boxes...
Walter Bushell
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <proto-D29D97....@news.panix.com>,
> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Xns9CA46C5E95...@69.16.186.7>,
> > Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Plus, Miles isn't actually all *that* short. There's an excellent
> > > chance no forced perspective would be needed.
> >
> > You'd still need a charismatic short actor, women of normal size if he
> > looked straight forward he was looking into their "cleavage".
>
> Or you could cast really tall women. . . 8-)
Torah, tora, Taura. Miles has problems with Jewish macrobiotic fanatics
and has to call on an old friend to help him out.
erilar
David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
Didn't they do something like that for Alan Ladd?
David Johnston
<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <515fd5pl10v62n0kv...@4ax.com>,
> David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:19:49 -0500, erilar
>> <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <proto-D29D97....@news.panix.com>,
>> > Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <Xns9CA46C5E95...@69.16.186.7>,
>> >> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Plus, Miles isn't actually all *that* short. There's an excellent
>> >> > chance no forced perspective would be needed.
>> >>
>> >> You'd still need a charismatic short actor, women of normal size if he
>> >> looked straight forward he was looking into their "cleavage".
>> >
>> >Or you could cast really tall women. . . 8-)
>>
>> Invest in boxes...
>
>Didn't they do something like that for Alan Ladd?
Uh-hunh. Boxes and trenches.
Dorothy J Heydt
David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:17:19 -0500, erilar
><dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <515fd5pl10v62n0kv...@4ax.com>,
>> David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:19:49 -0500, erilar
>>> <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <proto-D29D97....@news.panix.com>,
>>> > Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In article <Xns9CA46C5E95...@69.16.186.7>,
>>> >> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> > Plus, Miles isn't actually all *that* short. There's an excellent
>>> >> > chance no forced perspective would be needed.
>>> >>
>>> >> You'd still need a charismatic short actor, women of normal size if he
>>> >> looked straight forward he was looking into their "cleavage".
>>> >
>>> >Or you could cast really tall women. . . 8-)
>>>
>>> Invest in boxes...
>>
>>Didn't they do something like that for Alan Ladd?
>
>Uh-hunh. Boxes and trenches.
I thought that was Humphrey Bogart.
Mike Schilling
>>> Didn't they do something like that for Alan Ladd?
>>
>> Uh-hunh. Boxes and trenches.
>
> I thought that was Humphrey Bogart.
Bogart was 5'8". He needed something when acting next to Lauren Bacall
(also 5'8") or Ingrid Bergman (5'10"). But Alan Ladd was 5'5" and needed
help next to just about anyone.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
news:hbat50$1ti$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
You both sound like you believe this is an unusual problem.
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek