"Astronauts Just Grew Meat in Space for the First Time"

[Lynn McGuire]

"Astronauts Just Grew Meat in Space for the First Time"
https://futurism.com/the-byte/astronauts-grew-space-meat-first-time

"In 2018, Israeli-based food tech startup Aleph Farms made a
breakthrough in the alt-meat industry by creating the world’s first
lab-grown steak, a hunk of cell-cultured meat that mimicked the texture
and structure of the beef you’d find at the supermarket."

"The company hopes to one day provide access to nutritious
slaughter-free meat to everyone on Earth — and maybe everyone in space,
too, as astronauts have now used Aleph’s process to successfully grow
meat on the International Space Station."

Now we can build that generation ship to the stars.

Lynn

[Kevrob]

But, is it _kosher_ beef? :)

It never was slaughtered, and it didn't come from a cud-chewing animal.
No hooves, either. So....

Kevin R

[Lynn McGuire]

And is it Halal beef ?

Lynn

[Quadibloc]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 4:03:57 PM UTC-6, Kevrob wrote:

> But, is it _kosher_ beef? :)
>
> It never was slaughtered, and it didn't come from a cud-chewing animal.
> No hooves, either. So....

I don't see why not. It didn't come from an animal that didn't chew the cud, or
didn't have cloven hooves. And it wouldn't have had any blood that wasn't drained
away.

John Savard

[art...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:31:47 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:

"alt-meat". I don't suppose there is a Usenet Group Alt.fan.alt-meat?

[Paul S Person]

I first encountered the concept in a /Science News/ article.

The article itself was about an effort to grow /entire teeth/ which
could then be inserted into a jaw instead of a crown.

One paragraph (or perhaps a sidebar) noted that the same technology
could be used to create other organs -- such as steaks, or drumsticks
(complete with bone). They also suggested that these could be
fortified with vitamins and minerals, and also flavored.

As to kosher/halal: if the original cells came from a qualifying
animal, and no rules were actually broken, my guess is that it would
qualify, except perhaps among the strictist groups involved.

Vat-grown meat: now we will be able to tell the /real/ vegetarians
from those who are vegetarian only because they are squeamish.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <tdmupehkskhbpcclk...@4ax.com>,

Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 14:31:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire
><lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Astronauts Just Grew Meat in Space for the First Time"
>> https://futurism.com/the-byte/astronauts-grew-space-meat-first-time
>>
>>"In 2018, Israeli-based food tech startup Aleph Farms made a
>>breakthrough in the alt-meat industry by creating the world’s first
>>lab-grown steak, a hunk of cell-cultured meat that mimicked the texture
>>and structure of the beef you’d find at the supermarket."
>>
>>"The company hopes to one day provide access to nutritious
>>slaughter-free meat to everyone on Earth — and maybe everyone in space,
>>too, as astronauts have now used Aleph’s process to successfully grow
>>meat on the International Space Station."
>>
>>Now we can build that generation ship to the stars.
>
>I first encountered the concept in a /Science News/ article.
>
>The article itself was about an effort to grow /entire teeth/ which
>could then be inserted into a jaw instead of a crown.
>
>One paragraph (or perhaps a sidebar) noted that the same technology
>could be used to create other organs -- such as steaks, or drumsticks
>(complete with bone). They also suggested that these could be
>fortified with vitamins and minerals, and also flavored.
>
>As to kosher/halal: if the original cells came from a qualifying
>animal, and no rules were actually broken, my guess is that it would
>qualify, except perhaps among the strictist groups involved.
>

There was a fun little story by Turtledove years ago in this vein:
"The R Strain"
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Lynn McGuire]

I've been trying to remember which generation ship story had the 100,000
lb "chicken" that meat was carved off each day. I think that it is _Old
Twentieth_ by Joe Haldeman but I could be wrong.
https://www.amazon.com/Old-Twentieth-Joe-Haldeman/dp/0441013430

Lynn

[Kevrob]

On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 2:28:17 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> I've been trying to remember which generation ship story had the 100,000
> lb "chicken" that meat was carved off each day. I think that it is _Old
> Twentieth_ by Joe Haldeman but I could be wrong.
> https://www.amazon.com/Old-Twentieth-Joe-Haldeman/dp/0441013430

Now, only eating part of an otherwise live animal
would not be kosher!

I'm imagining a self-replicating hunk of lamb on a
rotisserie - "The Eternal Gyro!"

Kevin R
a.a #2310

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <qnnt7u$7pi$1...@dont-email.me>,

In Pohl and Kornbluth's _Gravy Planet_ (I think it was, haven't
had a copy for decades) the meat source was an ever-growing chunk
of chicken heart tissue, familiarly known as "Chicken Little."
(It was large.)

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <h094ts...@mid.individual.net>,

Is that the one whose tag line is "We lived through it"?

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <86b90376-2055-45be...@googlegroups.com>,

Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 2:28:17 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to remember which generation ship story had the 100,000
>> lb "chicken" that meat was carved off each day. I think that it is _Old
>> Twentieth_ by Joe Haldeman but I could be wrong.
>> https://www.amazon.com/Old-Twentieth-Joe-Haldeman/dp/0441013430
>
>Now, only eating part of an otherwise live animal
>would not be kosher!

Hmmmm. This means that while devout Jews, while able to eat
mutton if the sheep were properly slaughtered, could not eat
muggety pie.









wait for it....









.....











A traditional English dish from shepherding country, made of the
umbilical cords of newborn lambs.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Thursday, 10 October 2019 17:24:52 UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 14:31:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Astronauts Just Grew Meat in Space for the First Time"
> > https://futurism.com/the-byte/astronauts-grew-space-meat-first-time
> >
> >"In 2018, Israeli-based food tech startup Aleph Farms made a
> >breakthrough in the alt-meat industry by creating the world’s first
> >lab-grown steak, a hunk of cell-cultured meat that mimicked the texture
> >and structure of the beef you’d find at the supermarket."
> >
> >"The company hopes to one day provide access to nutritious
> >slaughter-free meat to everyone on Earth — and maybe everyone in space,
> >too, as astronauts have now used Aleph’s process to successfully grow
> >meat on the International Space Station."
> >
> >Now we can build that generation ship to the stars.
>
> I first encountered the concept in a /Science News/ article.
>
> The article itself was about an effort to grow /entire teeth/ which
> could then be inserted into a jaw instead of a crown.
>
> One paragraph (or perhaps a sidebar) noted that the same technology
> could be used to create other organs -- such as steaks, or drumsticks
> (complete with bone). They also suggested that these could be
> fortified with vitamins and minerals, and also flavored.
>
> As to kosher/halal: if the original cells came from a qualifying
> animal, and no rules were actually broken, my guess is that it would
> qualify, except perhaps among the strictist groups involved.

If you slaughter the meat properly, but then keep it
growing?

There are people who decide things like this for a living.

I'm inclined to bet that they would decide that an
unlimited supply of synthetic meat without a representative
of the religion blessing each kilogram of it is a
non-starter. Professionally, for one thing.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <pz6Co...@kithrup.com>,

Not that I recall.

It's about a Rabbi asked if meat from a genetically engineered pig that
chews its own cud could be Kosher.

[Titus G]

On 11/10/19 5:24 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
snip

> Vat-grown meat: now we will be able to tell the /real/ vegetarians
> from those who are vegetarian only because they are squeamish.
>

<grin>
Vat-grown meat: now we will be able to tell the /real/ cannibals
from those who are not cannibal only because they are squeamish.

Vat-grown meat: Would meat produced in a QuadiVat have to be clothed in
adverts and discreetly wrapped in butchers' shops? Can we now safely
send Quadi to some other solar system knowing he won't be lonely on the way?

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <h09kfl...@mid.individual.net>,

That was the one. I have it in an anthology somewhere.

[peterw...@hotmail.com]

James H. Schmitz used this concept in his 1951 short story
_The End of the Line_, which follows a long-range exploration
ship with a crew of about a dozen young hot-shots led by an experienced
skipper. It was first published in _Astounding_ and anthologized by
Andre Norton in _Space Pioneers_, marketed as a YA book and often found
in school libraries:

"Klim thinks Albert is beginning to look puny again," Cusat announced.
"Probably nothing much to it, but how about coming along and helping us
diagnose?"

The Group's three top biologists adjourned to the ship, with Muscles,
whose preferred field was almost-pure mathematics, trailing along just
for company. They found Albert II quiescent in vitro—as close a thing
to a self-restoring six-foot sirloin steak as ever had been developed.
"He's quit assimilating, and he's even a shade off-color," Klim pointed
out, a little anxiously.

They debated his requirements at some length. As a menu staple, Albert
was hard to beat, but unfortunately he was rather dainty in his demands.
Chemical balances, temperatures, radiations, flows of stimulant, and nutritive
currents—all had to be just so; and his notions of what was just so were
subject to change without notice. If they weren't catered to regardless,
he languished and within the week perversely died. At least, the particular
section of him that was here would die. As an institution, of course, he might
go on growing and nourishing his Central Government clients immortally. Muscles
might have been of help in working out the delicate calculations involved in
solving Albert's current problems, but when they looked round for him, they
found him blinking at a steady flow of invisible symbols over one wall of the
tank room, while his lips moved in a rapid, low muttering; and they knew better
than to interrupt. He had gone off on impromptu calculations of his own, from
which he would emerge eventually with some useful bit of information or other,
though ten to one it would have nothing to do with Albert. Meanwhile, he would
be grouchy and useless if roused to direct his attention to anything below the
level of an emergency. They reset the currents finally and, at Cusat's
suggestion, trimmed Albert around the edges. Finding himself growing lighter,
he suddenly began to absorb nourishment again at a very satisfactory rate.

"That did it, I guess," Cusat said, pleased. He glanced at the small pile of
filets they'd sliced off. "Might as well have a barbecue now."

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist

[Paul S Person]

My impression was that nothing would get slaughtered, it would just
lose a few cells. Of course, I could have the wrong impression.

>There are people who decide things like this for a living.
>
>I'm inclined to bet that they would decide that an
>unlimited supply of synthetic meat without a representative
>of the religion blessing each kilogram of it is a
>non-starter. Professionally, for one thing.

So, the producers add an appropriate representative to the payroll to
bless each and every item produced. And stamp it, as appropriate.