Avengers Movie Novelization

[Louann Miller]

... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

I would write it for free, as long as it let me re-watch the movie when
I needed to.

--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
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http://seawasp.livejournal.com

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvS...@giganews.com>,

Peter David's got the "Battleship" novelization..

I think someone did a novelization of "The Hunger Games" too.
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Kurt Busiek]

According to Keith DeCandido, who's written a few -- yes, the
novelization is dying out. Or at least shrinking in numbers.

It's apparently a combination of production companies not wanting to
let the script out early, and publishers making most of their tie-in
sales in the 6 weeks before a movie comes out. If the novelization
can't come out before he movie, it's nowhere near as profitable, and if
it can, the plot gets spoiled in this, the internet age.

So fewer novelizations are getting done.

kdb
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Visit http://www.busiek.com -- for all your Busiek needs!

[Kip Williams]

Kurt Busiek wrote:

> So fewer novelizations are getting done.

I was thinking lately that it's like the comic book versions of movies.
They used to be a stand-in for the real thing, which could be read over
and over as desired, at a fraction of the price. Now you can just watch
it on DVD, or go see if it's online somewhere.

It's too bad View-Masters have lost so much ground, now that the
moviemakers could provide them with quality 3D stills.


Kip W
rasfw

[tphile2]

On May 18, 5:21 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
> In article <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvSnZ2dnUVZ_uWdn...@giganews.com>,

> Louann Miller  <louan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
> >Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
> >individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>
> Peter David's got the "Battleship" novelization..
>
> I think someone did a novelization of "The Hunger Games" too.
> --
> ------
> columbiaclosings.com
> What's not in Columbia anymore..

are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though there
is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne Collins?

[tphile2]

On May 18, 5:26 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:

> Visithttp://www.busiek.com-- for all your Busiek needs!

What about an The Avengers comic book adaptation or tie in? They are
still doing those to comic related movies.
Personally I have found little value of the novelizations which are
little more than the script with descriptive parts added in.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <c3ee35de-522a-48f2...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,

tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>On May 18, 5:21�pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
>> In article <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvSnZ2dnUVZ_uWdn...@giganews.com>,
>> Louann Miller �<louan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
>> >Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
>> >individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>>
>> Peter David's got the "Battleship" novelization..
>>
>> I think someone did a novelization of "The Hunger Games" too.
>> --

>are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though there
>is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne Collins?

No, I'm unsuccessfully making a funny.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
news:a1o56e...@mid.individual.net:

And yet, there probably will, or will be, a novelation, and
justifiably so, since movies based on books are generally not the
same story.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Kurt Busiek]

On 2012-05-18 23:06:13 +0000, tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> said:

> On May 18, 5:26 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-05-18 22:01:34 +0000, Louann Miller <louan...@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>> ... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" bu
> t
>>> Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
>>> individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>>
>> According to Keith DeCandido, who's written a few -- yes, the
>> novelization is dying out. Or at least shrinking in numbers.
>>
>> It's apparently a combination of production companies not wanting to
>> let the script out early, and publishers making most of their tie-in
>> sales in the 6 weeks before a movie comes out. If the novelization
>> can't come out before he movie, it's nowhere near as profitable, and if
>> it can, the plot gets spoiled in this, the internet age.
>>
>> So fewer novelizations are getting done.
>

> What about an The Avengers comic book adaptation or tie in?

Haven't seen one. But I haven't been looking.

kdb
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Visit http://www.busiek.com -- for all your Busiek needs!

[William December Starr]

In article <5vAtr.26695$ax3....@newsfe05.iad>,

Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> said:

> It's too bad View-Masters have lost so much ground, now that the
> moviemakers could provide them with quality 3D stills.

I don't know about movies, but I think it was somewhat common for
View-Master to make and market reels (or whatever you called the
things) for one or more episodes of a tv series. I used to own the
three-reel set for Star Trek's, um, I'm pretty sure it was "The
Omega Glory". (Yeah, not one of the winners.)

I'm pretty sure they did it by just having a photographer take shots
with a stereo camera during filming (or more likely, on the set
during rehearsals and set-ups, when no cameras were actually
running). I don't recall if the one I'm remembering had any special
effects in it.

-- wds

[Kip Williams]

Movies, TV episodes, and so much more�
http://www.plokta.com/plokta/issue27/issue27.pdf

(PDF link. Go to article entitled "A Treat for Both Eyes.")


Kip W
rasfw

[Carl Dershem]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) typed in
news:a1o0bb...@mid.individual.net:

> In article <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvS...@giganews.com>,
> Louann Miller <loua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers
Assemble" but
>>Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed
the
>>individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>
> Peter David's got the "Battleship" novelization..
>
> I think someone did a novelization of "The Hunger Games" too.

If you want to get really strange, there's always Max Alan
Collins' novelization of "The road to Perdition" for which he did
not get Author pay or credit, even though the movie was based on
the comic he wrote.

cd

[Joseph Nebus]

In <jp6pm7$4g8$1...@panix3.panix.com> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) writes:

>In article <5vAtr.26695$ax3....@newsfe05.iad>,
>Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> said:

>> It's too bad View-Masters have lost so much ground, now that the
>> moviemakers could provide them with quality 3D stills.

>I don't know about movies, but I think it was somewhat common for
>View-Master to make and market reels (or whatever you called the
>things) for one or more episodes of a tv series. I used to own the
>three-reel set for Star Trek's, um, I'm pretty sure it was "The
>Omega Glory". (Yeah, not one of the winners.)

It may not have been one of the all-time great Trek episodes,
but no one can deny that it's one that coincidentally happens to have
Gene Roddenberry's name as the credited writer.

--
http://nebusresearch.wordpress.com/ Joseph Nebus
Current Entry: Why The Slope Is Too Interesting http://wp.me/p1RYhY-es
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[Kip Williams]

Joseph Nebus wrote:
> In<jp6pm7$4g8$1...@panix3.panix.com> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) writes:
>
>> In article<5vAtr.26695$ax3....@newsfe05.iad>,
>> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>> It's too bad View-Masters have lost so much ground, now that the
>>> moviemakers could provide them with quality 3D stills.
>
>> I don't know about movies, but I think it was somewhat common for
>> View-Master to make and market reels (or whatever you called the
>> things) for one or more episodes of a tv series. I used to own the
>> three-reel set for Star Trek's, um, I'm pretty sure it was "The
>> Omega Glory". (Yeah, not one of the winners.)
>
> It may not have been one of the all-time great Trek episodes,
> but no one can deny that it's one that coincidentally happens to have
> Gene Roddenberry's name as the credited writer.

I also recall (from _The Making of Star Trek_) that they had to keep the
damsel's navel hidden, much like in "I Dream of Jeannie." Yet in the
View-Master reels, one can see her navel. Bonus navel for Trekkies!


Kip W
rasfw

[Christian Weisgerber]

tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:

> are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though there
> is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne Collins?

Don't laugh it off. Fred Saberhagen did a _Dracula_ novelization
of the Coppola movie of the Stoker novel.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

[Wayne Throop]

:: are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though there
:: is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne Collins?

: Don't laugh it off. Fred Saberhagen did a _Dracula_ novelization of
: the Coppola movie of the Stoker novel.

"I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much...
because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting."

I'm not sure if I conflated this shorter version from multiple
sources, one source, or it's original (drat my memory...)

"We laugh, because if we did not, we would cry."

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

"John Carter" has a novelization that is not APOM (but that
includes APOM as a bonus).

[Jerry Brown]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:59:13 -0400, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Kurt Busiek wrote:
>
>> So fewer novelizations are getting done.
>
>I was thinking lately that it's like the comic book versions of movies.
>They used to be a stand-in for the real thing, which could be read over
>and over as desired, at a fraction of the price.

I preferred the photostories/photonovels/movie novels; comic strip
format, but using frames from the film.

I still check out mine of Alien from time to time as you can see
detail that's not visible even in the BluRay (like that the control
panel which Ripley uses to set the self destruct is bilingual in
English and French).

>Now you can just watch
>it on DVD, or go see if it's online somewhere.

>It's too bad View-Masters have lost so much ground, now that the
>moviemakers could provide them with quality 3D stills.
>
>
>Kip W
>rasfw

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

[jack...@bright.net]

William December Starr wrote:

>I don't know about movies, but I think it was somewhat common for
>View-Master to make and market reels (or whatever you called the
>things) for one or more episodes of a tv series. I used to own the
>three-reel set for Star Trek's, um, I'm pretty sure it was "The
>Omega Glory". (Yeah, not one of the winners.)
>
>I'm pretty sure they did it by just having a photographer take shots
>with a stereo camera during filming (or more likely, on the set
>during rehearsals and set-ups, when no cameras were actually
>running). I don't recall if the one I'm remembering had any special
>effects in it.

I'm almost remembering an article about the Enterprise model
mentioning it was used in a View Master shot of the Enterprise and...
the other ship. (Leading to the question what 3-D effect can you get
on a thousand foot object far enough away for you to see it all.)



The Exeter! I always remember the episode isn't called "The Incident
at Exeter".

--
-Jack

[Jacey Bedford]

In message <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvS...@giganews.com>, Louann
Miller <loua...@yahoo.com> writes

>... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
>Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
>individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?

I the UK the movie was called Avengers Assemble - because we have that
hangover from the very popular Avengers TV series. Mention Avengers to
the average Brit and they will immediately think of Steed and Mrs Peel.

Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford

[Kip Williams]

jack...@bright.net wrote:

> I'm almost remembering an article about the Enterprise model
> mentioning it was used in a View Master shot of the Enterprise and...
> the other ship. (Leading to the question what 3-D effect can you get
> on a thousand foot object far enough away for you to see it all.)

You can put the lenses farther apart when photographing (easier if
you're taking the pictures separately, with a non-moving object), though
this will have the side effect of making the object seem smaller, just
as you can make small objects look bigger by placing the lenses closer
together.


Kip W
rasfw

[Kip Williams]

[Kip Williams]

(Oops! Went off a bit prematurely. I swear, this has never happened to
me before! You're not mad, are you?)

Kip Williams wrote:
>> "We laugh, because if we did not, we would cry."

I can't find the anecdote, but the earliest form I know of this was of
someone commenting on a child who was laughing all the time, and is told
by the child something very much like, "I laugh, sir, because if I did
not, I would cry."

I see something reminiscent in _The Autobiography of Mark Twain_ � an
earlier paperback of the edition by Charles Neider.

"We had a little slave boy whom we had hired from someone, there in
Hannibal. He was from the eastern shore of Maryland and had been brought
away from his family and his friends halfway across the American
continent and sold. He was a cheery spirit, innocent and gentle, and the
noisiest creature that ever was, perhaps. All day long he was singing,
whistling, yelling, whooping, laughing � it was maddening, devastating,
unendurable. At last, one day, I lost all my temper and went raging to
my mother and said Sandy had been singing for an hour without a single
break and I couldn't stand it and _wouldn't_ she please shut him up. The
tears came into her eyes and her lip trembled and she said something
like this:

"'Poor thing, when he sings it shows that he is not remembering and that
comforts me; but when he is still I am afraid he is thinking and I
cannot bear it. He will never see his mother again; if he can sing I
must not hinder it, but be thankful for it. If you were older you would
understand me; then that friendless child's noise would make you glad.'

"It was a simple speech and made up of small words but it went home, and
Sandy's noise was not a trouble to me any more."


Kip W
rasfw

[Kurt Busiek]

On 2012-05-19 06:59:53 +0000, Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> said:

> On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:59:13 -0400, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Kurt Busiek wrote:
>>
>>> So fewer novelizations are getting done.
>>
>> I was thinking lately that it's like the comic book versions of movies.
>> They used to be a stand-in for the real thing, which could be read over
>> and over as desired, at a fraction of the price.
>
> I preferred the photostories/photonovels/movie novels; comic strip
> format, but using frames from the film.
>
> I still check out mine of Alien from time to time as you can see
> detail that's not visible even in the BluRay (like that the control
> panel which Ripley uses to set the self destruct is bilingual in
> English and French).

When it comes to ALIEN, there was a graphic novel version done by HEAVY
METAL magazine, by Archie Goodwin and Walter Simonson, that's just
superb.

It's being reissued soon, what with PROMETHEUS on the horizon. So I'll
be replacing my well-read, beat-up copy from the 1970s.

[tphile2]

On May 18, 7:32 pm, wdst...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <5vAtr.26695$ax3.7...@newsfe05.iad>,

I well remember my GAF Viewmaster and even the Henry Fonda
commercials. There was a Green Hornet episode that featured a leopard
and a walk in freezer. As far as I could recall they used the film
strip frames.
and then there was a Flintstones cartoon of Fred and Barney building a
helicopter (which I think was also an episode) but they did not use
animation cels but was puppetoon type dioramas like something
Harryhausen or George Pal might make.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:35:36 PM UTC+1, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> When it comes to ALIEN, there was a graphic novel version done by HEAVY
> METAL magazine, by Archie Goodwin and Walter Simonson, that's just
> superb.
>
> It's being reissued soon, what with PROMETHEUS on the horizon. So I'll
> be replacing my well-read, beat-up copy from the 1970s.

PROMETHEUS, THE MODERN "ALIEN". Neat. :-)

[Greg Goss]

It's a side effect of the prisms used for the folded optics, but
binoculars always end up with the "intake lenses" much farther apart
than the eyepieces. This will exaggerate the 3D effect, and your
brain will learn to read this exaggeration fast enough.

But yeah, if you're supposed to be a quarter mile away to see enough
of it, the 3D effect would in reality be trivial. It's still pretty
cool to look at the bogus version.

My eyes were pretty mismatched as a youth. One was very shortsighted
and the other was a touch farsighted. (much later, both were severely
shortsighted). I had to get glasses before going for my driver's test
at almost nineteen.

Suddenly everything looked like a viewmaster or those 3D postcards.
Amazing. I'd always thought that viewmasters and the postcards were
exaggerating.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.

[Kip Williams]

Greg Goss wrote:

> It's a side effect of the prisms used for the folded optics, but
> binoculars always end up with the "intake lenses" much farther apart
> than the eyepieces. This will exaggerate the 3D effect, and your
> brain will learn to read this exaggeration fast enough.

True for big binoculars, but I have a small pair which, though it uses
prisms, still looks like two straight tubes mounted side-by-side.

When I started taking stereo pairs, I was really exaggerating the
distance between the eyes, and many of my attempts simply crashed.
(Another interesting failure came when I had to wait too long between
left and right views — because of cars or something — and when I mounted
them, the clouds had shifted in such a way that THE SKY WAS FALLING!
AAAAAHHH!)

> But yeah, if you're supposed to be a quarter mile away to see enough
> of it, the 3D effect would in reality be trivial. It's still pretty
> cool to look at the bogus version.

I got my basic knowledge of the technical end of it from a 1930s article
in Popular Science (I think it was PS, not PM). The article also taught
me how to freeview, and to make little pictorial 3D pairs from letters
and symbols using a typewriter and the "half-space" option (holding the
spacebar down before striking a character).

> Suddenly everything looked like a viewmaster or those 3D postcards.
> Amazing. I'd always thought that viewmasters and the postcards were
> exaggerating.

And now when I look at View-Masters, the 3D is nowhere near as strong as
it used to look to me. Stereoscope slides, taken with much larger
cameras, give me a better effect.


Kip W
rasfw

[T Guy]

On May 19, 12:47 am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote innews:a1o56e...@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article

> > <c3ee35de-522a-48f2-91df-c563b5056...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>

> > , tphile2  <tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
> >>On May 18, 5:21 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
> >>wrote:

> >>are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though
> >>there is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne
> >>Collins?
>
> > No, I'm unsuccessfully making a funny.
>
> And yet, there probably will, or will be, a novelation, and
> justifiably so, since movies based on books are generally not the
> same story.

I believe that there was a novelisation of _The Spy Who Loved Me_.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:47:23 AM UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
> news:a1o56e...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > In article
> > <c3ee35de-522a-48f2...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>
> > , tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
> >>are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though
> >>there is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne
> >>Collins?
> >
> > No, I'm unsuccessfully making a funny.
>
> And yet, there probably will, or will be, a novelation, and
> justifiably so, since movies based on books are generally not the
> same story.

But books based on movies may not be
the same story, either. So this could
go on forever unless we draw the line.

In fact there are movies based on
movies that aren't the same story.
_The Ladykillers_.

[T Guy]

On May 19, 1:15 pm, Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In message <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvSnZ2dnUVZ_uWdn...@giganews.com>, Louann
> Miller <louan...@yahoo.com> writes

>
> >... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
> >Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
> >individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>
> I the UK the movie was called Avengers Assemble - because we have that
> hangover from the very popular Avengers TV series. Mention Avengers to
> the average Brit and they will immediately think of Steed and Mrs Peel.

I hadn't realised that we in the U. K. had a re-titled version - I was
wondering why it was called _Avengers Assemble!_ rather than _The
Avengers_ or even _The Avengers I: The Coming of The Avengers!!_

What we really need is some millionaire wag over here to make a film
called the Avengers featuring a team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the
Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock and the Iron Man. What this would be
known as in the U. S. A. I can't imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for
legal reasons.

[T Guy]

On May 19, 4:22 am, na...@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote:

> tphile2  <tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
> > are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even though there
> > is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by Suzanne Collins?
>
> Don't laugh it off.  Fred Saberhagen did a _Dracula_ novelization
> of the Coppola movie of the Stoker novel.

Was that the one which was ostentatiously titled _BRAM STOKER'S
Dracula_?

[Derek Lyons]

jack...@bright.net wrote:

>I'm almost remembering an article about the Enterprise model
>mentioning it was used in a View Master shot of the Enterprise and...
>the other ship. (Leading to the question what 3-D effect can you get
>on a thousand foot object far enough away for you to see it all.)

Not that you have to be that far away... I can see 3D on the warships
(including carriers) down on the waterfront, and see the whole thing
from a few hundred yards away.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[jack...@bright.net]

Kip Williams wrote:

>Greg Goss wrote:
>
>> It's a side effect of the prisms used for the folded optics, but
>> binoculars always end up with the "intake lenses" much farther apart
>> than the eyepieces. This will exaggerate the 3D effect, and your
>> brain will learn to read this exaggeration fast enough.
>
>True for big binoculars, but I have a small pair which, though it uses
>prisms, still looks like two straight tubes mounted side-by-side.
>
>When I started taking stereo pairs, I was really exaggerating the
>distance between the eyes, and many of my attempts simply crashed.
>(Another interesting failure came when I had to wait too long between
>left and right views — because of cars or something — and when I mounted
>them, the clouds had shifted in such a way that THE SKY WAS FALLING!
>AAAAAHHH!)

There was a recent Astronomy Picture of the Day:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120508.html
actually, a movie, the guy had set up tracks, teeter-totters, etc., to
move the camera during a time lapse. The 3-D effect it gives the
rocks is distracting even from the spectacle of stars wheeling across
the landscape.

>> But yeah, if you're supposed to be a quarter mile away to see enough
>> of it, the 3D effect would in reality be trivial. It's still pretty
>> cool to look at the bogus version.

Ah, "It looks like a model" vs "Ooo, I could almost touch it!"

I suppose one does get used to it. I was mulling over an idea that
something to push 3D-TV over from fad to addiction might be giving the
viewer a godlike feeling looking over landscapes, cityscapes, and
sporting events, and a dissatisfaction that the real world is flat.

>I got my basic knowledge of the technical end of it from a 1930s article
>in Popular Science (I think it was PS, not PM). The article also taught
>me how to freeview, and to make little pictorial 3D pairs from letters
>and symbols using a typewriter and the "half-space" option (holding the
>spacebar down before striking a character).

I read a special effects article during the attempted 3-D revival of
the '80s. I later dot-matrix printed output from a wire-frame program
I was making for freeviewing, but despite an, "OK, neat," didn't go
any further with it.

>> Suddenly everything looked like a viewmaster or those 3D postcards.
>> Amazing. I'd always thought that viewmasters and the postcards were
>> exaggerating.
>
>And now when I look at View-Masters, the 3D is nowhere near as strong as
>it used to look to me. Stereoscope slides, taken with much larger
>cameras, give me a better effect.

We had very few Viewmaster reels as kids [1], one image that was hard
to decipher I blame on the small size of the image; it was a statue of
Zeus with winged Nike in his hand. It was just two overlapping
pictures of reflective gold, bronze, and copper, until one day I
twiddled my eyes and it fell into place, columns marching down the
aisle, Nike almost flying away.


[1] It seems like a long time before we had more than a dozen albums
and singles for our record player, too [2]. Perhaps my father, as a
barber adept with the resharpenable straight razor was leery of that
"sell the razor, then make money selling the blades" strategy. Or, it
could be that as a barber, he didn't have money for much more than we
had. Might be why I never bought a film camera or other such objects.

[2] We kids could get four times the enjoyment out of our records,
though. We could play them at 45 RPM, 33 1/3, 78, or 18, sometimes
multiple changes in the same song!

--
-Jack

[Kip Williams]

jack...@bright.net wrote:

> Kip Williams wrote:
>
>> When I started taking stereo pairs, I was really exaggerating the
>> distance between the eyes, and many of my attempts simply crashed.
>> (Another interesting failure came when I had to wait too long between
>> left and right views — because of cars or something — and when I mounted
>> them, the clouds had shifted in such a way that THE SKY WAS FALLING!
>> AAAAAHHH!)
>
> There was a recent Astronomy Picture of the Day:
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120508.html
> actually, a movie, the guy had set up tracks, teeter-totters, etc., to
> move the camera during a time lapse. The 3-D effect it gives the
> rocks is distracting even from the spectacle of stars wheeling across
> the landscape.

THE SKY IS FLAT! AAAAHHH!

Back in the 70s, my friend Richard Moorman mentioned in his D'APAzine
that he'd been looking at stars one night, and suddenly the whole sky
looked three-dimensional, with stars at all different distances — it
reminded him of the "moment of cosmic consciousness" mentioned in
certain comic book ads. He's gone now, damn it, but I still envy that
three-dimensional starscape.

>> And now when I look at View-Masters, the 3D is nowhere near as strong as
>> it used to look to me. Stereoscope slides, taken with much larger
>> cameras, give me a better effect.
>
> We had very few Viewmaster reels as kids [1], one image that was hard
> to decipher I blame on the small size of the image; it was a statue of
> Zeus with winged Nike in his hand. It was just two overlapping
> pictures of reflective gold, bronze, and copper, until one day I
> twiddled my eyes and it fell into place, columns marching down the
> aisle, Nike almost flying away.

From the "Seven Wonders of the World" set — a natural for the medium.

> [1] It seems like a long time before we had more than a dozen albums
> and singles for our record player, too [2].

...

>
> [2] We kids could get four times the enjoyment out of our records,
> though. We could play them at 45 RPM, 33 1/3, 78, or 18, sometimes
> multiple changes in the same song!

That worked for 33s and 45s. 78s, the only option was to slow them down,
and we didn't have that sort of patience.

I still have the first record that was nominally mine: Spike Jones
"Omnibust." That LP suffered more than any record ever (don't contradict
me!) at the hands of my youthful experiments with seeing what else I
could play records with. There was a stamped metal cricket pin that
amplified the sound enough to hear, and that's good because I did
something that killed one of the amplifier tubes in that record player.
The LP also has a tear at the edge.

After years of trying and failing to find a replacement (since
rectified), I finally sat down one day and achieved a tape of the whole
thing. Sometimes I had to try over and over to get a single revolution,
but I got it all, and it was listenable despite the noisy surface, the
repeated takes (which I got to blend together way better than one might
expect) and random transmissions from CB fools who'd driven in on 14 and
got stopped at the light on the corner and just had to tell the world
("I'm stopped at this here light!"). Oh, and there was a cab dispatcher
on our alley who apparently spent most of his down time playing with the
goddamned buttons on his radio.


Kip W
rasfw

[erilar]

In article <8mbmZ0UZ74tPFwL$@parkhead.demon.co.uk>,

Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Mention Avengers to
> the average Brit and they will immediately think of Steed and Mrs Peel.

That's also the first thought of this American 8-) I did go to see this
new superhero Avengers movie, however, and it was fun. It actually had
dialogue and subplots!

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Greg Goss]

Ditto here. I've never seen anything other than stills of Peel and
company, but I've never even heard of the Marvel group.

[David Goldfarb]

In article <d20bbd6c-deaf-4904...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,

T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>What we really need is some millionaire wag over here to make a film
>called the Avengers featuring a team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the
>Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock and the Iron Man. What this would be
>known as in the U. S. A. I can't imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for
>legal reasons.

Dennis the Menace I know about, but are there British characters called
"Archie Andrews" and "Sgt. Rock"?

--
David Goldfarb |"We went to a movie, some monsters or aliens were
goldf...@gmail.com |destroying New York as usual (this is LA's way
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |of telling Manhattan it cares)."
| -- Salman Rushdie

[jack...@bright.net]

Kip Williams wrote:

>Back in the 70s, my friend Richard Moorman mentioned in his D'APAzine
>that he'd been looking at stars one night, and suddenly the whole sky
>looked three-dimensional, with stars at all different distances — it
>reminded him of the "moment of cosmic consciousness" mentioned in
>certain comic book ads. He's gone now, damn it, but I still envy that
>three-dimensional starscape.

You ever get the feeling you'll be flung off Urth into the void?

>jack...@bright.net wrote:

>> We had very few Viewmaster reels as kids [1], one image that was hard
>> to decipher I blame on the small size of the image; it was a statue of
>> Zeus with winged Nike in his hand. It was just two overlapping
>> pictures of reflective gold, bronze, and copper, until one day I
>> twiddled my eyes and it fell into place, columns marching down the
>> aisle, Nike almost flying away.
>
> From the "Seven Wonders of the World" set — a natural for the medium.

The sampler disk advertising such (see above), yeah.

>> [1] It seems like a long time before we had more than a dozen albums
>> and singles for our record player, too [2].
>...
>>
>> [2] We kids could get four times the enjoyment out of our records,
>> though. We could play them at 45 RPM, 33 1/3, 78, or 18, sometimes
>> multiple changes in the same song!
>
>That worked for 33s and 45s. 78s, the only option was to slow them down,
>and we didn't have that sort of patience.

Never had an actual 78, nor a 10 inch record. Slowing down did turn
Sammy Davis Jr.'s "I Want To Be Happy" (the flip side of "The
Candyman") into a series of dinosaur roars!

--
-Jack

[Mark Bestley]

David Goldfarb <gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> In article
> <d20bbd6c-deaf-4904...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, T Guy
> <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote: >What we really need is some
> millionaire wag over here to make a film >called the Avengers featuring a
> team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the >Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock
> and the Iron Man. What this would be >known as in the U. S. A. I can't
> imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for >legal reasons.
>
> Dennis the Menace I know about, but are there British characters called
> "Archie Andrews" and "Sgt. Rock"?

Archie Andrews was a ventriloquist's dummy whao was the lead character
in a radio show in the 1950s

--
Mark

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 5/24/12 4:25 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
> erilar<dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article<8mbmZ0UZ74tPFwL$@parkhead.demon.co.uk>,
>> Jacey Bedford<look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Mention Avengers to
>>> the average Brit and they will immediately think of Steed and Mrs Peel.
>>
>> That's also the first thought of this American 8-) I did go to see this
>> new superhero Avengers movie, however, and it was fun. It actually had
>> dialogue and subplots!
>
> Ditto here. I've never seen anything other than stills of Peel and
> company, but I've never even heard of the Marvel group.

I never heard of Peel and Steed until I was approaching my 40s, so it
all balances out.

--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com

[Christian Weisgerber]

T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:

> > Don't laugh it off.  Fred Saberhagen did a _Dracula_ novelization
> > of the Coppola movie of the Stoker novel.
>
> Was that the one which was ostentatiously titled _BRAM STOKER'S
> Dracula_?

Yes.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

[T Guy]

On May 24, 12:19 pm, ne...@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) wrote:
> David Goldfarb <goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> > In article
> > <d20bbd6c-deaf-4904-a99e-d5d4f2f0d...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, T Guy
> > <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote: >What we really need is some

> > millionaire wag over here to make a film >called the Avengers featuring a
> > team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the >Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock
> > and the Iron Man. What this would be >known as in the U. S. A. I can't
> > imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for >legal reasons.
>
> > Dennis the Menace I know about, but are there British characters called
> > "Archie Andrews" and "Sgt. Rock"?
>
> Archie Andrews was a ventriloquist's dummy whao was the lead character
> in a radio show in the 1950s

Sgt. Rock was a S. A. S. sergeant, and possibly at some point a
paratrooper, who appeared in a _Lion Holiday Special_ at some point in
the 'seventies (IIRR) and allegedly in a weekly anthology comic at
some point in the swingin' 'sixties.

David - you didn't say whether or not you'd ever encountered the
British Iron Man.

[tphile2]

On May 24, 4:23 am, goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
> In article <d20bbd6c-deaf-4904-a99e-d5d4f2f0d...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,

> T Guy  <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>
> >What we really need is some millionaire wag over here to make a film
> >called the Avengers featuring a team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the
> >Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock and the Iron Man. What this would be
> >known as in the U. S. A. I can't imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for
> >legal reasons.
>
> Dennis the Menace I know about, but are there British characters called
> "Archie Andrews" and "Sgt. Rock"?
>
> --
>    David Goldfarb          |"We went to a movie, some monsters or aliens were

> goldfar...@gmail.com       |destroying New York as usual (this is LA's way
> goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu  |of telling Manhattan it cares)."
>                            |            -- Salman Rushdie

Archie is also a popular british name especially for lower class pick
pockets, burglers and jockies. Come to think of it, Reggie, Dilton
etc are also rather british sounding

[tphile2]

Didn't the British have an Iron Lady?
In the sixties there have been several british team adventurer tv
shows that had marvel team names. The Champions, The Defenders,

[Kip Williams]

jack...@bright.net wrote:
> Kip Williams wrote:
>
>> Back in the 70s, my friend Richard Moorman mentioned in his D'APAzine
>> that he'd been looking at stars one night, and suddenly the whole sky
>> looked three-dimensional, with stars at all different distances — it
>> reminded him of the "moment of cosmic consciousness" mentioned in
>> certain comic book ads. He's gone now, damn it, but I still envy that
>> three-dimensional starscape.
>
> You ever get the feeling you'll be flung off Urth into the void?

I was never that intimate with Asimov's character.


Kip W
rasfw

[Kip Williams]

_MARY SHELLEY'S Dracula_!


Kip W
rasfw

[Howard Brazee]

>I the UK the movie was called Avengers Assemble - because we have that

>hangover from the very popular Avengers TV series. Mention Avengers to

>the average Brit and they will immediately think of Steed and Mrs Peel.
>

>Jacey

That's what I think, and I've never been near Britain.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Kip Williams]

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 5/24/12 4:25 AM, Greg Goss wrote:

>> Ditto here. I've never seen anything other than stills of Peel and
>> company, but I've never even heard of the Marvel group.
>
> I never heard of Peel and Steed until I was approaching my 40s, so it
> all balances out.

The first "Avengers" shows I saw had Tara King on them, but they were
enough to make me a fan of the show.

I didn't know when I was reading one of the Steranko issues of "Nick
Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D." that I was seeing a plot taken pretty much
straight from one of the Honor Blackman episodes of the show. (I know
I'm mixing actor names and character names here. Knowing is half the
battle. The other half would be looking stuff up, and I must draw the
line somewhere.)


Kip W
rasfw

[Kip Williams]

T Guy wrote:

> What we really need is some millionaire wag over here to make a film
> called the Avengers featuring a team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the
> Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock and the Iron Man. What this would be
> known as in the U. S. A. I can't imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for
> legal reasons.

That'd be like putting Popeye, Dr. Who, Beetle Bailey, Mandrake the
Magician, the Keystone Kops, Mighty Moth, Adam Adamant, Orlando, Tivvy,
and the TV Terrors in one big mashup.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kipw/4324968809/in/set-72157610119663374

Things like that just don't happen.


Kip W
rasfw

[Jacey Bedford]

In message <drache-0CB361....@news.eternal-september.org>,
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> writes

Agreed. I enjoyed it.

Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford

[Robert Carnegie]

I don't remember a Defenders. There were
_The Persuaders_, but only two of them
(Roger Moore and Tony Curtis, or vice versa).
And a far more recent parody of the lot
of them called _The Preventers_.

Our Iron Man was invented by Ted Hughes
the Poet Laureate (not necessarily during
his laureateship), and was filmed as
_The Iron Giant_.

_Steptoe and Son_, _Till Death Us Do Part_,
_Dads Army_ ...

I think it is a difference that a British
audience /cares/ about TV shows like these -
another is that many are made by a public
service broadcaster funded by an annual levy
on TV receivers with an other-than-commercial
value system, and others by commercial
services that try to compete on artistic
merit - whereas in the U.S., such productions
have a pure commercial objective, are liable
to be ended almost as soon as they appear if
the commercial goal is not reached, and
perhaps really don't matter. And perhaps
the Brtish ones don't either, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_%281992_TV_series%29

Or perhaps it's the fact that you may
individually like a U.S. show that abruptly
disappears, that discourages you from
getting too attached.

[tphile2]

Also The Hellfire Club from Marvel Comics The X-Men was "inspired" by
the historical Hellfire Club and A Touch of Brimstone episode of The
Avengers and its said Diana Rigg designed her Black Queen of Sin
costume with corset and spiked dog collar etc.

[Greg Goss]

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

>On 5/24/12 4:25 AM, Greg Goss wrote:

>> Ditto here. I've never seen anything other than stills of Peel and
>> company, but I've never even heard of the Marvel group.
>
> I never heard of Peel and Steed until I was approaching my 40s, so it
>all balances out.

There's guys in those pictures?

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Thu, 24 May 2012 06:33:49 -0700 (PDT), tphile2
<tph...@cableone.net> wrote:

>On May 24, 4:23�am, goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>> In article <d20bbd6c-deaf-4904-a99e-d5d4f2f0d...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>> T Guy �<Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >What we really need is some millionaire wag over here to make a film
>> >called the Avengers featuring a team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the
>> >Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock and the Iron Man. What this would be
>> >known as in the U. S. A. I can't imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for
>> >legal reasons.
>>
>> Dennis the Menace I know about, but are there British characters called
>> "Archie Andrews" and "Sgt. Rock"?
>

>Archie is also a popular british name especially for lower class pick
>pockets, burglers and jockies. Come to think of it, Reggie, Dilton
>etc are also rather british sounding

"Archie *was*" would be more accurate. The name hasn't been popular
for some decades, although it's popped up in the 2011 baby names
lists. Those fellers are probably a little young to be tarred with the
labels above....

Very few new Reggies out there since the Cray Twins made it unpopular.
Which probably means that's due for a renaissance soon!

Dilton? No idea at all, never heard of it. Dylan is popular again now.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Every Little Thing She Does Is Sufficiently Advanced Technology"

[David Dyer-Bennet]

jack...@bright.net writes:

> Kip Williams wrote:

>>> [2] We kids could get four times the enjoyment out of our records,
>>> though. We could play them at 45 RPM, 33 1/3, 78, or 18, sometimes
>>> multiple changes in the same song!
>>
>>That worked for 33s and 45s. 78s, the only option was to slow them down,
>>and we didn't have that sort of patience.
>
> Never had an actual 78, nor a 10 inch record. Slowing down did turn
> Sammy Davis Jr.'s "I Want To Be Happy" (the flip side of "The
> Candyman") into a series of dinosaur roars!

I have several albums of 78s within 6 feet of here. They're just over
next to the deck of 80-column punch cards.
--
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[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in
news:5983cb2e-50cf-46ff...@googlegroups.com:

> On Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:47:23 AM UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>> news:a1o56e...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>> > In article
>> > <c3ee35de-522a-48f2...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.c

>> > om> , tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> >>are you saying there is a Hunger Games novelization even
>> >>though there is the original Hunger Games novel trilogy by
>> >>Suzanne Collins?
>> >

>> > No, I'm unsuccessfully making a funny.
>>
>> And yet, there probably will, or will be, a novelation, and
>> justifiably so, since movies based on books are generally not
>> the same story.
>
> But books based on movies may not be
> the same story, either. So this could
> go on forever unless we draw the line.

The only line that matters is whether or not it makes enough money to
justify doing it again. It gets drawn quite regularly in books and
movies.
>
> In fact there are movies based on
> movies that aren't the same story.
> _The Ladykillers_.
>
And endless hordes of "based on the title of a true story" movies, of
course.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Jerry Brown]

On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:46:33 -0400, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I used to have that; I'm afraid to look in case I find it it's worth a
lot to collectors these days.

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

[William December Starr]

In article <a9ff4bf7-adae-44df...@w10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> said:

> I believe that there was a novelisation of _The Spy Who Loved Me_.

Yes, as _James Bond, the Spy Who Loved Me_, and "Moonraker" was done
as as _James Bond and Moonraker_. Both were by the writer of the
movies' screenplays, Christopher Wood.

-- wds

[Kip Williams]

Jerry Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:46:33 -0400, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That'd be like putting Popeye, Dr. Who, Beetle Bailey, Mandrake the
>> Magician, the Keystone Kops, Mighty Moth, Adam Adamant, Orlando, Tivvy,
>> and the TV Terrors in one big mashup.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kipw/4324968809/in/set-72157610119663374
>>
>> Things like that just don't happen.
>

> I used to have that; I'm afraid to look in case I find it it's worth a
> lot to collectors these days.

I scanned a couple of pages from it (adjcent in the flickr queue), as an
example for the Comics Curmudgeon of off-brand Beetle Bailey comics.


Kip W
rasfw

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <jpltpb$4dr$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

IIRC the only thing that passed from Fleming's _Moonraker_ into the movie
and back was the fact that Drax was a card cheat.
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

[William December Starr]

In article <a27d66...@mid.individual.net>,

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) said:

> IIRC the only thing that passed from Fleming's _Moonraker_ into
> the movie and back was the fact that Drax was a card cheat.

See <http://tinyurl.com/7rx6zgc>,
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/msg/0e6d3a315097bb84?hl=en&dmode=source>

-- wds

[Greg Goss]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:

>IIRC the only thing that passed from Fleming's _Moonraker_ into the movie
>and back was the fact that Drax was a card cheat.

The climax in the flame tunnel carried over.

[Jerry Brown]

On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:31:45 -0400, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com>

This was my only exposure to Beetle Bailey at the time, and I didn't
realise that it was set in the USA!

I think the Doctor Who story in that annual had him up against the
"Trodds", a machine race invented for the TV Comic strip as they
didn't have the rights to use the Daleks or Cybermen.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <jpm02v$5an$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:

Hmm. Well, I waited *almost* two years to repeat myself..

And there's no reason I can see why the UK *shouldn't* have a private
contractor space program. Maybe Hugo Drax is Richard Branson..

[Lynn McGuire]

On 5/18/2012 5:01 PM, Louann Miller wrote:
> ... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
> Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
> individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?

Paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard,
paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard ...

The list of novelizations so far:
1. The Chronicles of Riddick
2. Transformers
3. Star Trek: Movie Tie-in Novelization (2009)
4. Transformers The Veiled Threat (Transformers)
5. ALIEN
6. John Carpenter's Starman: A Novel
7. Terminator Salvation: The Official Movie Novelization
8. Alien 3: The Novelization
9. Dinotopia Lost
10. Outland: The Novelization
11. Dark Star
12. THE BLACK HOLE
13. Star Trek Logs Nine and Ten (The Animated)
14. Pale Rider
15. Clash of the Titans
16. Star Trek Log Four/Log Five/Log Six
17. Star Trek Logs One and Two (Star Trek the Animated Series)
18. Alien Nation
19. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
20. Star Trek Log: Adventures Aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise Nos. 7-10

Lynn

[Lynn McGuire]

I forgot to mention that I own over half of these.
I think that is a good thing ...

Lynn

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

For the last couple "Star Trek Log" books, he (and presumably Ballantine)
figured out that if he used the episode script for the first third of
the book, then he could take off from there for the other two thirds,
giving Ballantine an original Trek story when it was Bantam who offically had
that franchaise..

[David Goldfarb]

In article <01aaf0bf-febf-4db7...@s5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>David - you didn't say whether or not you'd ever encountered the
>British Iron Man.

No, I have to admit I haven't; I find it easier to believe in a
British Iron Man than in a British Archie Andrews, though.

(Which is not to say that I doubt the person who wrote about the
latter, mind you.)

--
David Goldfarb |From the fortune cookie file:
goldf...@gmail.com |"Do not put so much sugar in your coffee, or
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | he will think you extravagant."

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

... and they were pretty good stories, too.

--
Sea Wasp
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[Greg Goss]

Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:

>On 5/18/2012 5:01 PM, Louann Miller wrote:
>> ... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
>> Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
>> individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>
>Paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard,
>paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard ...
>
>The list of novelizations so far:

He seemed to disappear between the late eighties and the mid twokays.
The writeups on The Abyss said that the original author hired to do
the novel for The Abyss had failed to deliver anything, and that the
contract was withdrawn and handed to Card on very short notice.

I never knew who that original author had been, but Foster seemed to
disappear from novelizing movies for a very long time after that
anecdote. Is there any way of telling whether he was blackballed for
fifteen years or so after screwing up? Is there any way to tell if he
was the first author contracted to do The Abyss?

[Robert Carnegie]

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20:41 PM UTC+1, David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article <01aaf0bf-febf-4db7...@s5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
> T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
> >David - you didn't say whether or not you'd ever encountered the
> >British Iron Man.
>
> No, I have to admit I haven't; I find it easier to believe in a
> British Iron Man than in a British Archie Andrews, though.
>
> (Which is not to say that I doubt the person who wrote about the
> latter, mind you.)

I don't see why you should have trouble
believing in a long-running ventriloquism
act on radio. :-)

(Some say that Peter Brough wasn't a
very good ventriloquist so it was just
as well.)

Apparently Jimmy Clitheroe started out
playing a (different) ventriloquist's
dummy.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20:41 PM UTC+1, David Goldfarb wrote:

> I find it easier to believe in a
> British Iron Man than in a British
> Archie Andrews, though.

Returning to this point, how about
a British iron man called Archie?

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Archie>

(Or aluminium, or something. If his
brain can get rusty then it must be iron?)

[T Guy]

On May 24, 7:14 pm, wdst...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <a9ff4bf7-adae-44df-8062-56ae94496...@w10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

> T Guy <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> said:
>
> > I believe that there was a novelisation of _The Spy Who Loved Me_.
>
> Yes, as _James Bond, the Spy Who Loved Me_, and "Moonraker" was done
> as as _James Bond and Moonraker_.  Both were by the writer of the
> movies' screenplays, Christopher Wood.

Presumably not to be confused with Christopher Isherwood.

[Christian Weisgerber]

Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> wrote:

> Paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard,
> paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard ...
>
> The list of novelizations so far:
> 1. The Chronicles of Riddick
> 2. Transformers
> 3. Star Trek: Movie Tie-in Novelization (2009)
> 4. Transformers The Veiled Threat (Transformers)
> 5. ALIEN
> 6. John Carpenter's Starman: A Novel
> 7. Terminator Salvation: The Official Movie Novelization
> 8. Alien 3: The Novelization
> 9. Dinotopia Lost
> 10. Outland: The Novelization
> 11. Dark Star
> 12. THE BLACK HOLE
> 13. Star Trek Logs Nine and Ten (The Animated)
> 14. Pale Rider
> 15. Clash of the Titans
> 16. Star Trek Log Four/Log Five/Log Six
> 17. Star Trek Logs One and Two (Star Trek the Animated Series)
> 18. Alien Nation
> 19. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
> 20. Star Trek Log: Adventures Aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise Nos. 7-10

That's missing a few I've actually read:
* Aliens (I really liked that one at the time)
* Krull
* The Thing

Which reminds me that _The Thing_ is another example of a novelization
of a movie that was adapted from a written work (John W. Campbell's
"Who Goes There?").

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

[jack...@bright.net]

Kip Williams wrote:

>T Guy wrote:
>
>> What we really need is some millionaire wag over here to make a film
>> called the Avengers featuring a team-up of Steed, Mrs Peel, Dennis the
>> Menace, Archie Andrews, Sgt. Rock and the Iron Man. What this would be
>> known as in the U. S. A. I can't imagine. Oh, yes. Unavailable for
>> legal reasons.
>

>That'd be like putting Popeye, Dr. Who, Beetle Bailey, Mandrake the
>Magician, the Keystone Kops, Mighty Moth, Adam Adamant, Orlando, Tivvy,
>and the TV Terrors in one big mashup.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/kipw/4324968809/in/set-72157610119663374
>
>Things like that just don't happen.

There's a simple reason Flash Gordon, Mandrake, and the Phantom find
it so easy to team up to be Defenders of the Earth. Using that same
reason, and only that reason, they can also team up with Steve Canyon,
Beetle Bailey, Prince Valiant, and Popeye!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_Meets_the_Man_Who_Hated_Laughter

I suppose you have only my word that someone didn't make up that
entry...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256274/

--
-Jack

[William December Starr]

In article <jpm6em$k8s$1...@dont-email.me>,

Lynn McGuire <l...@winsim.com> said:

> Paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard,
> paging Mr. Alan Dean Foster to the black keyboard ...
>
> The list of novelizations so far:

[everything without "Star Trek" in it edited out by me:]

> 3. Star Trek: Movie Tie-in Novelization (2009)

> 13. Star Trek Logs Nine and Ten (The Animated)

> 16. Star Trek Log Four/Log Five/Log Six
> 17. Star Trek Logs One and Two (Star Trek the Animated Series)

> 20. Star Trek Log: Adventures Aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise Nos. 7-10

So _Star Trek Log Three_ was by...? :-)

-- wds

[Jacey Bedford]

In message <M4Jpy...@kithrup.com>, David Goldfarb
<gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> writes

>In article <01aaf0bf-febf-4db7...@s5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
>T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>>David - you didn't say whether or not you'd ever encountered the
>>British Iron Man.
>
>No, I have to admit I haven't; I find it easier to believe in a
>British Iron Man than in a British Archie Andrews, though.
>
>(Which is not to say that I doubt the person who wrote about the
>latter, mind you.)
>

Archie Andrews was a classic!
Only in Britain could we have a show featuring a ventriloquist's
dummy... on the radio.

Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford

[tphile2]

On May 26, 7:04 am, Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In message <M4JpyH....@kithrup.com>, David Goldfarb
> <goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu> writes>In article <01aaf0bf-febf-4db7-822e-c00a57bf0...@s5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

> >T Guy  <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>David - you didn't say whether or not you'd ever encountered the
> >>British Iron Man.
>
> >No, I have to admit I haven't; I find it easier to believe in a
> >British Iron Man than in a British Archie Andrews, though.
>
> >(Which is not to say that I doubt the person who wrote about the
> >latter, mind you.)
>
> Archie Andrews was a classic!
> Only in Britain could we have a show featuring a ventriloquist's
> dummy... on the radio.
>
> Jacey
> --
> Jacey Bedford

You're forgetting Edger Bergen and Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd
who was big on radio since 1936. and most of America was tuned in on
his show during Orson Welles famous The War of the Worlds broadcast.

[jack...@bright.net]

I don't know the source of the list; the weird groupings suggest it is
based on availability (and it misses The Last Starfighter).

It's credited to Alan Dean Foster. You raise the spector of someone
ghostwriting a novelization for him!

--
-Jack

[Kip Williams]

We don't talk about that one.
Ever.


Kip W
rasfw

[Kip Williams]

jack...@bright.net wrote:

> There's a simple reason Flash Gordon, Mandrake, and the Phantom find
> it so easy to team up to be Defenders of the Earth. Using that same
> reason, and only that reason, they can also team up with Steve Canyon,
> Beetle Bailey, Prince Valiant, and Popeye!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_Meets_the_Man_Who_Hated_Laughter
>
> I suppose you have only my word that someone didn't make up that
> entry...
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256274/

Oh, it's all too believable. 1972 was just about the time one of my
high-school friends said, "Saturday morning animation is going
downhill," and I replied, "That's like saying the Titanic is sinking."

A quarter century or so later, they put all the animated characters they
could into a big TV special with a name like "Cartoon Superstars Against
Drugs." To show they were serious, it was headed up by Michael Jackson.
It was sponsored by McDonald's, and I imagine the total message to be
something like, "Don't pollute your precious body with drugs, kids!
Drugs are bad! Now come on into McDonald's for a grease burger with salt
fries and a sugar shake!"


Kip W
rasfw

[Kip Williams]

tphile2 wrote:
> On May 26, 7:04 am, Jacey Bedford<lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Only in Britain could we have a show featuring a ventriloquist's
>> dummy... on the radio.
>

> You're forgetting Edger Bergen and Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd
> who was big on radio since 1936. and most of America was tuned in on
> his show during Orson Welles famous The War of the Worlds broadcast.

Paul Winchell told a story about being the first ventriloquist on TV.
During rehearsal, a worried director came up to him and said they
weren't getting the dummy. "What?"

"The microphone's not getting the dummy. You're coming through fine."

Winchell pondered this in some dismay. Was this a technical thing? For
some reason, ventriloquism wouldn't work in the new medium?

They resumed the rehearsal, and he happened to look up and notice that
every time the dummy spoke, the boom mike swung over to it.


Kip W
rasfw

[Lynn McGuire]

I typed it in from his listing of books on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=alan+dean+foster

I totally missed _Aliens_ and _The_Last_Starfighter_.
I feel so ashamed.

Lynn

[David DeLaney]

tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:

>Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Archie Andrews was a classic!
>> Only in Britain could we have a show featuring a ventriloquist's
>> dummy... on the radio.
>

>You're forgetting Edger Bergen and Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd
>who was big on radio since 1936. and most of America was tuned in on
>his show during Orson Welles famous The War of the Worlds broadcast.

And does Eccles count as a ventriloquist's dummy, or was he not smart enough?

Dave
--
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[Kurt Busiek]

On 2012-05-27 05:08:37 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:

> tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Archie Andrews was a classic!
>>> Only in Britain could we have a show featuring a ventriloquist's
>>> dummy... on the radio.
>>
>> You're forgetting Edger Bergen and Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd
>> who was big on radio since 1936. and most of America was tuned in on
>> his show during Orson Welles famous The War of the Worlds broadcast.
>
> And does Eccles count as a ventriloquist's dummy, or was he not smart enough?

Eccles was was living proof that the Piltdown Skull was not a hoax.

But I don't recall him ever being identified as having anything to do
with a ventriloquist.

kdb
--
Visit http://www.busiek.com -- for all your Busiek needs!

[Charles Bishop]

In article <HYmdnQ3-hP0jWyvS...@giganews.com>, Louann Miller

<loua...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
>Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
>individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?

Somewhat related, but maybe just barely. I was browsing tumblr yesterday
and ran across a reproduction of "Nighthawks". Inserted into the painting
were the Avengers, sitting at one of the diner's tables.

It was oddly satisfying. I've seen "Nighthawks with others inserted in
place of the originals, or inserted with them, but this caught me off
guard enough that the recognition was pleasant.

--
charles

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <ctbishop-280...@global-66-81-252-193.dialup.o1.com>,

1) The final post-credit sequence.

2) link?

[Charles Bishop]

In article <0c30fa75-37ca-48cb...@googlegroups.com>, Robert

Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20:41 PM UTC+1, David Goldfarb wrote:
>> In article
<01aaf0bf-febf-4db7...@s5g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
>> T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>> >David - you didn't say whether or not you'd ever encountered the
>> >British Iron Man.
>>
>> No, I have to admit I haven't; I find it easier to believe in a
>> British Iron Man than in a British Archie Andrews, though.
>>
>> (Which is not to say that I doubt the person who wrote about the
>> latter, mind you.)
>
>I don't see why you should have trouble
>believing in a long-running ventriloquism
>act on radio. :-)

Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy (and others) was on US radio back in the day.

I went to a Vegas show featuring Terry Fator who is a ventriloquist. Good
enough show with interesting characters. Since it's Vegas, there is a live
band and video screens behind him and to the sides to allow better
viewing. Both he and the dummy are miked.

It's this last bit that makes me think I could be a ventriloquist. All I'd
need to do would be to record the show, and then lip sync when on stage.
It would take rehersal, sure, but no one could say they saw my lips move.

--
charles

[Charles Bishop]

In article <fU5wr.14275$FL3....@newsfe11.iad>, Kip Williams

People who have been guest stars on the Muppets TV show often report they
find themselves talking to the muppet even when they aren't being
recorded.

--
charles

[Anthony Frost]

In message <ctbishop-280...@global-66-81-252-193.dialup.o1.com>

ctbi...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote:

> People who have been guest stars on the Muppets TV show often report they
> find themselves talking to the muppet even when they aren't being
> recorded.

It's not just the guests. I was a recording engineer on a Henson
production many years ago, the Floor Manager often caught himself
talking to the Muppets, and if one of them missed a cue or fluffed a
line it was usually the Muppet being operated by team of people (3 was
usual for a "main" character) that apologised. Seeing a King (Mother
Goose Tales I think was the name of the series) saying "Sorry, I was
looking over there and should have been looking that way" with
appropriate gestures and pointing in the relevant directions seemed
natural at the time, but was scary when you thought about it
afterwards...

Anthony

[Jerry Brown]

On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:48:07 +0100, Anthony Frost <Vu...@vulch.org>
wrote:

They do seem to be the method actors of the puppetry world. I recall
seeing a blooper where a muppet's mouth jammed open and the operator
must have been so engrossed in the performance that he said "'i 'outh
ith thtuck'!

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

[Robert Carnegie]

On Monday, May 28, 2012 8:59:17 PM UTC+1, Charles Bishop wrote:
> People who have been guest stars on the Muppets TV show often report they
> find themselves talking to the muppet even when they aren't being
> recorded.

A BBC-shown show called _Mongrels_ is
about some very, very naughty urban
animals, played by puppets, and the
main cast are pretty spooky to see
in interaction.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Seems perfectly normal to me, but I'm a long-time RPGer, so I'm used to
addressing people as their characters for hours on end.

[Walter Bushell]

In article <u1v7s715ggmnhoedc...@jwbrown.co.uk>,

Well that *was* the appropriate way to cover the mistake in character

--
This space unintentionally left blank.

[Charles Bishop]

In article <a2huab...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted

Sorry, but it was a general wandering around tumblr, don't remember how I
landed there, and I neglected to note the url.

--
charles

[Charles Bishop]

In article <402d249752%Vu...@kerrier.vulch.org>, Anthony Frost

What a great memory. Thanks.
--
charles

[Kurt Busiek]

Here's it is:

http://moviesblog.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/movies/2012/05/Avengers-Nighthawks.jpg

This

on'es not Avengers-relatedf, but I like it better:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562925_3024950833362_1550490288_31995852_1167059057_n.jpg

[Robert Carnegie]

On Friday, May 18, 2012 11:26:24 PM UTC+1, Kurt Busiek wrote:

> On 2012-05-18 22:01:34 +0000, Louann Miller <loua...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > ... does not appear to exist. There's one called "Avengers Assemble" but
> > Amazon reviews seem to mark it as a prequel for people who missed the
> > individual-hero movies. Is the tie-in an endangered species?
>

> According to Keith DeCandido, who's written a few -- yes, the
> novelization is dying out. Or at least shrinking in numbers.
>
> It's apparently a combination of production companies not wanting to
> let the script out early, and publishers making most of their tie-in
> sales in the 6 weeks before a movie comes out. If the novelization
> can't come out before he movie, it's nowhere near as profitable, and if
> it can, the plot gets spoiled in this, the internet age.
>
> So fewer novelizations are getting done.

Actually, I just saw a TV advert for PROMETHEUS
coming out Real Soon, and it said, "BOOK NOW". :-)