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Lynn McGuire
Jun 19, 2018, 9:31:45 PM6/19/18
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"The Vote is in" by David Weber
http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
"Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for
ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the
2018 convention is now closed."
"That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical
invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited,
will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online
after the invitations are announced."
Wow squared !
Lynn
http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
"Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for
ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the
2018 convention is now closed."
"That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical
invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited,
will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online
after the invitations are announced."
Wow squared !
Lynn
-dsr-
Jun 20, 2018, 10:08:04 AM6/20/18
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though, as I think it's endemic to elder authors who have become used
to getting their own way on everything.
-dsr-
Robert Woodward
Jun 20, 2018, 12:54:54 PM6/20/18
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In article <slrnpiklaf.l...@randomstring.org>,
Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Robert Woodward robe...@drizzle.com
And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
ã-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robe...@drizzle.com
Carl Fink
Jun 20, 2018, 1:26:02 PM6/20/18
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On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
--
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Read John Grant's book, Corrupted Science: http://a.co/9UsUoGu
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink!
Lynn McGuire
Jun 20, 2018, 1:40:26 PM6/20/18
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On 6/20/2018 11:54 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <slrnpiklaf.l...@randomstring.org>,
> -dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-20, Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "The Vote is in" by David Weber
>>> http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
>>>
>>> "Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for
>>> ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the
>>> 2018 convention is now closed."
>>>
>>> "That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical
>>> invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited,
>>> will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online
>>> after the invitations are announced."
>>>
>>> Wow squared !
>>
>>
>> Yes, it's amazing how whiny Weber has become. Not completely unexpected,
>> though, as I think it's endemic to elder authors who have become used
>> to getting their own way on everything.
>>
>
> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
Larry Correia was disinvited from whatever the Origins CON is.
> In article <slrnpiklaf.l...@randomstring.org>,
> -dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-06-20, Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "The Vote is in" by David Weber
>>> http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
>>>
>>> "Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for
>>> ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the
>>> 2018 convention is now closed."
>>>
>>> "That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical
>>> invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited,
>>> will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online
>>> after the invitations are announced."
>>>
>>> Wow squared !
>>
>>
>> Yes, it's amazing how whiny Weber has become. Not completely unexpected,
>> though, as I think it's endemic to elder authors who have become used
>> to getting their own way on everything.
>>
>
> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
http://monsterhunternation.com/2018/05/30/origins-sent-out-yet-another-message-about-me-and-my-response/
and
http://monsterhunternation.com/2018/05/15/statement-concerning-my-being-disinvited-as-the-guest-of-honor-for-origins-game-fair/
Lynn
James Nicoll
Jun 20, 2018, 2:22:38 PM6/20/18
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In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
any women planning to attend.
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>
>Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
>are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
>be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
>On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>
>Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
>are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
>be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
any women planning to attend.
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
Carl Fink
Jun 20, 2018, 3:37:42 PM6/20/18
to
On 2018-06-20, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>>> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>>
>>Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
>>are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
>>be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
>
> I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
> didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
> about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
> bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
> any women planning to attend.
Thanks.
> In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>>> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>>
>>Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
>>are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
>>be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
>
> I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
> didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
> about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
> bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
> any women planning to attend.
I don't speak for any current con, the one I chaired being on indefinite
hiatus, but on my personal behalf: nope. Not going to happen.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 20, 2018, 3:45:04 PM6/20/18
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In article <robertaw-479639...@news.individual.net>,
year to the next" and "walking through the halls talking crazy to
yourself in an excessively loud voice" sound like *understandable*
(even if invalid) reasons.
And whether "hate speech" and "uninvited touching" can be
criminal charges depends on whether one can bring enough
evidence to bring a criminal case against them.
In the end, it's up to the ConComm to establish boundaries and
publish them, and then to judge any complaints on a case-by-case
basis.
DunDraCon isn't your orindary SF con; for one thing, it's a
gaming con, and for another, the same committee (modulo committee
members quitting or dying and other members coming on*) has been
running it for the past forty-odd years.
We put a harrassment policy up on the webpage a couple years ago,
and reprint it in the program book, because it seemed necessary.
Our registration system is heavily computerized (all home-grown),
and one of the things it has is an option for rejecting a
membership if the name is flagged as someone we don't ever want
to have on our premises ever again. The set of such people has
one member at present, a guy whose known modus operandi was
groping underage girls. If he comes in and tries to register,
the terminal freezes and a message comes up telling the
volunteer to call Hal, or me, or our daughter Meg, or one of our
senior Reg people who knows what it's about.
Hal comments, "We've never actually used it, because he never
tried to register again, and I believe he got into legal trouble
in L.A. and is now a guest of the State."
But if anybody else acts sufficiently like a jerk, into the
database he'll go.
______
Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
I don't know about *valid* reasons, but "never bathing from one
>
>Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
year to the next" and "walking through the halls talking crazy to
yourself in an excessively loud voice" sound like *understandable*
(even if invalid) reasons.
And whether "hate speech" and "uninvited touching" can be
criminal charges depends on whether one can bring enough
evidence to bring a criminal case against them.
In the end, it's up to the ConComm to establish boundaries and
publish them, and then to judge any complaints on a case-by-case
basis.
DunDraCon isn't your orindary SF con; for one thing, it's a
gaming con, and for another, the same committee (modulo committee
members quitting or dying and other members coming on*) has been
running it for the past forty-odd years.
We put a harrassment policy up on the webpage a couple years ago,
and reprint it in the program book, because it seemed necessary.
Our registration system is heavily computerized (all home-grown),
and one of the things it has is an option for rejecting a
membership if the name is flagged as someone we don't ever want
to have on our premises ever again. The set of such people has
one member at present, a guy whose known modus operandi was
groping underage girls. If he comes in and tries to register,
the terminal freezes and a message comes up telling the
volunteer to call Hal, or me, or our daughter Meg, or one of our
senior Reg people who knows what it's about.
Hal comments, "We've never actually used it, because he never
tried to register again, and I believe he got into legal trouble
in L.A. and is now a guest of the State."
But if anybody else acts sufficiently like a jerk, into the
database he'll go.
______
Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
James Nicoll
Jun 20, 2018, 4:15:23 PM6/20/18
to
In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 20, 2018, 5:00:07 PM6/20/18
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In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
not a book. Are we on the same page?
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>
>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>
>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
not a book. Are we on the same page?
Moriarty
Jun 20, 2018, 6:24:25 PM6/20/18
to
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:00:07 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> >In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
> >>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
> >
> >Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>
> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
> not a book. Are we on the same page?
RQ 7th edition has been released as a pdf, with the dead tree edition out soon.
> In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> >In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
> >>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
> >
> >Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>
> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
> not a book. Are we on the same page?
https://www.chaosium.com/runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-pdf/
You'll note Steve Perrin's name is on the cover. I've no idea whether that's because he's still actively involved or whether there's enough legacy material that they have to include him.
Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.
My current game is using Pathfinder, which supposedly has a new edition coming out next year. Pathfinder is very unusual in that it's only had one edition and is ten years old. Paizo, the makers, have made their money in producing adventures paths (campaigns) for it and selling those, rather than upgrading the system. Given that they've produced over of these twenty and we're just about to start the second(*), I suspect we'll stick with it for some time.
(*) Strange Aeons, GM'd by me. As you can tell from the title, its very Lovecraft influenced. The campaign starts with the PCs waking up in an asylum with no memories of who they are or how they got there. Then it goes downhill for them.
-Moriarty
James Nicoll
Jun 20, 2018, 6:26:10 PM6/20/18
to
In article <pAn2r...@kithrup.com>,
ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against
the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
time and I get to look at the material immediately.
1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
screens but they are handy for searches.
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>
>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>
>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>not a book. Are we on the same page?
Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>
>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>
>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>not a book. Are we on the same page?
ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against
the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
time and I get to look at the material immediately.
1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
screens but they are handy for searches.
Moriarty
Jun 20, 2018, 6:33:16 PM6/20/18
to
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 8:26:10 AM UTC+10, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <pAn2r...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> >James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
> >>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
> >>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
> >>
> >>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
> >
> >Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
> >not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against
> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
> time and I get to look at the material immediately.
And many purchases of the physical book include the pdf thrown in.
> In article <pAn2r...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> >James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
> >>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
> >>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
> >>
> >>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
> >
> >Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
> >not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against
> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
> time and I get to look at the material immediately.
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
> screens but they are handy for searches.
-Moriarty
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 20, 2018, 7:00:05 PM6/20/18
to
In article <f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com>,
be next February. (Unlike the rest of the committee, he lives in
Southern California, so we don't see each other often.)
Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:00:07 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>> >>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>> >
>> >Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>>
>> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>> not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
>RQ 7th edition has been released as a pdf, with the dead tree edition out soon.
>
>https://www.chaosium.com/runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-pdf/
>
>You'll note Steve Perrin's name is on the cover. I've no idea whether
>that's because he's still actively involved or whether there's enough
>legacy material that they have to include him.
Neither do I. I'll ask him next time I see him ... which might
>On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:00:07 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>> >>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>> >
>> >Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>>
>> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>> not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
>RQ 7th edition has been released as a pdf, with the dead tree edition out soon.
>
>https://www.chaosium.com/runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-pdf/
>
>You'll note Steve Perrin's name is on the cover. I've no idea whether
>that's because he's still actively involved or whether there's enough
>legacy material that they have to include him.
be next February. (Unlike the rest of the committee, he lives in
Southern California, so we don't see each other often.)
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 20, 2018, 7:11:00 PM6/20/18
to
Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in
news:f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:00:07 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt
> wrote:
>> In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains:
>> >>Steve Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars
>> >>organizer.
>> >
>> >Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to
>> >review it.
>>
>> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop
>> RPG, not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
> RQ 7th edition has been released as a pdf, with the dead tree
> edition out soon.
Nearly all role-playing games are published as some form of book,
certainly. Though, among independent publishers, e-books are *far*
more popular than paper editions.
> Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new
> editions in the hope that their players will go out and re-buy
> everything.
>
Historically, the real money is in rule books and expansions for
them, not adventures. Adventures tend to be lower page count, low
price, and often low margin. But necessary, because the market
doesn't much like games with no supplementary material available.
It was my impression that was the whole idea behind the Open Gaming
License when Wizards first started it: to shift the cost and
trouble of creating and publishing the low profit supplementary
stuff onto others, while WotC concentrated on the far more
profitable rule books. (And it worked.)
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
news:f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:00:07 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt
> wrote:
>> In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>> >Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains:
>> >>Steve Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars
>> >>organizer.
>> >
>> >Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to
>> >review it.
>>
>> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop
>> RPG, not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
> RQ 7th edition has been released as a pdf, with the dead tree
> edition out soon.
certainly. Though, among independent publishers, e-books are *far*
more popular than paper editions.
> Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new
> editions in the hope that their players will go out and re-buy
> everything.
>
them, not adventures. Adventures tend to be lower page count, low
price, and often low margin. But necessary, because the market
doesn't much like games with no supplementary material available.
It was my impression that was the whole idea behind the Open Gaming
License when Wizards first started it: to shift the cost and
trouble of creating and publishing the low profit supplementary
stuff onto others, while WotC concentrated on the far more
profitable rule books. (And it worked.)
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 20, 2018, 7:12:12 PM6/20/18
to
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
hell Amazon's format is called these days.
news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
hell Amazon's format is called these days.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 20, 2018, 8:30:03 PM6/20/18
to
In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>
>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>
>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>
>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>
>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
hamis...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2018, 8:43:50 PM6/20/18
to
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:11:00 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in
> news:f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com:
>
> Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in
> news:f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new
> > editions in the hope that their players will go out and re-buy
> > everything.
> >
> Historically, the real money is in rule books and expansions for
> them, not adventures. Adventures tend to be lower page count, low
> price, and often low margin.
That's certainly true for a lot of the games
> > editions in the hope that their players will go out and re-buy
> > everything.
> >
> Historically, the real money is in rule books and expansions for
> them, not adventures. Adventures tend to be lower page count, low
> price, and often low margin.
Pathfinder does seem to be a bit different with a 64 page adventure being released each month as part of an adventure path (normally meant to go from 1st level to 15th level or so over 6 modules) and a lot of people subscribing to that (plus free standing modules and pathfinder society scenarios).
Generally it helps that the adventures are pretty good
They've got subscriptions as well which a lot of people use so people have to take action not to buy an adventure path...
> But necessary, because the market
> doesn't much like games with no supplementary material available.
> It was my impression that was the whole idea behind the Open Gaming
> License when Wizards first started it: to shift the cost and
> trouble of creating and publishing the low profit supplementary
> stuff onto others, while WotC concentrated on the far more
> profitable rule books. (And it worked.)
>
They also licensed out Dragon and Dungeon (to Paizo who then produced pathfinder once the licence was removed and people were unhappy with 4th ed)
hamis...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2018, 8:44:41 PM6/20/18
to
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:12:12 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
> news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
> >
> > 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> > laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>
> I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
> hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>
Seconded.
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
> news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
> >
> > 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
> > laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>
> I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
> hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>
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In article <eed65b84-8cf1-46e5...@googlegroups.com>,
I wonder if these guys also send spam faxes or telegrams.
I wonder if these guys also send spam faxes or telegrams.
J. Clarke
Jun 20, 2018, 9:47:13 PM6/20/18
to
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 01:10:50 +0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
>In article <pAnC8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
>Amazon uses mobi.
For certain values.
Nicoll) wrote:
>In article <pAnC8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
>Amazon uses mobi.
Amazon is moving to or has moved to a different format, KFX.
hamis...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2018, 10:16:24 PM6/20/18
to
I think all of the amazon formats are basically extensions to and wrappers around mobi.
Dorothy J Heydt
Jun 20, 2018, 10:45:04 PM6/20/18
to
In article <pgetup$h3h$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
not mine.
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <pAnC8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
>Amazon uses mobi.
Thank you, that sounds right. Thank heaven it's Bill's problem,
>In article <pAnC8...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
>Amazon uses mobi.
not mine.
Dimensional Traveler
Jun 21, 2018, 12:41:00 AM6/21/18
to
On 6/20/2018 6:46 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <eed65b84-8cf1-46e5...@googlegroups.com>,
> MIKEN <burds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> CALL OR TEXT or watsapp
>
> I wonder if these guys also send spam faxes or telegrams.
>
No. Those are life insurance and various business organization scams.
> In article <eed65b84-8cf1-46e5...@googlegroups.com>,
> MIKEN <burds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> CALL OR TEXT or watsapp
>
> I wonder if these guys also send spam faxes or telegrams.
>
--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
David DeLaney
Jun 21, 2018, 10:43:15 AM6/21/18
to
On 2018-06-20, Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
> Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the
> hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.
Well, and also in the hope that the bugfixes they've put in will curb some of
> Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the
> hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.
the brokenness and fix some of the issues the previous edition's gameplay and
rules had. D&D is somewhat extreme in this; 3rd Edition introduced entirely
new ways to use previous concepts and drastically unified the "roll a d20"
mechanism - but that was eclipsed by the changes made for 4th Edition. 5th
Edition in large part is much closer to 3E than to 4E, but hasn't gone all the
way back to the Open Gaming d20 System that 3E used (which made independent
game modules for it so attractive for other companies to mak, because for the
first time you COULD without explicitly contacting TSR and getting permission).
> My current game is using Pathfinder, which supposedly has a new edition
> coming out next year. Pathfinder is very unusual in that it's only had one
> edition and is ten years old.
the D&D 3rd Edition rules, mechanics, and cosmos when Wizards movrd on to 4E,
because so many players and fans liked 3E so extremely much for various
reasons. It seems to have worked pretty well for them.
[Someone should probably have tried to get White Wolf to agree to much the same
sort of thing after they apocalyptically wound down their various World of
Darkness Lines - Mage, Vampire, werewolf, Wraith, Mummy, Changeling, etc. -
in preparaton for New World of Darkness, which is somewhat bland and
underpowered / unexciting in comparison. Oh well.]
> Paizo, the makers, have made their money in producing adventures paths
> (campaigns) for it and selling those, rather than upgrading the system. Given
> that they've produced over of these twenty and we're just about to start the
> second(*), I suspect we'll stick with it for some time.
they're nowhere near the overcompleteness that the TSR Monster Manual additions
had become by the time 3E / 3.5E ended.
Dave, Magic the Gathering also had fairly good reasons for its various rules
upheavals, for example; they've been pretty stable, with only how-to-assign-
blockers getting a makeover, since I left them in the early 2000s, and their
new Editions are now merely changing the mix of which csrds are in the basic
card set every 2 years, essentially
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Robert Woodward
Jun 21, 2018, 12:43:24 PM6/21/18
to
In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
specifically asked them to attend), whose names might show up on the
main page of the website.
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <robertaw-479639...@news.individual.net>,
> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> >
> >Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> >And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>
> I don't know about *valid* reasons, but "never bathing from one
> year to the next" and "walking through the halls talking crazy to
> yourself in an excessively loud voice" sound like *understandable*
> (even if invalid) reasons.
>
Was that an attendee? I am speaking of invited people (as in the con-com
> In article <robertaw-479639...@news.individual.net>,
> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> >
> >Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> >And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>
> I don't know about *valid* reasons, but "never bathing from one
> year to the next" and "walking through the halls talking crazy to
> yourself in an excessively loud voice" sound like *understandable*
> (even if invalid) reasons.
>
specifically asked them to attend), whose names might show up on the
main page of the website.
Carl Fink
Jun 21, 2018, 1:02:07 PM6/21/18
to
On 2018-06-20, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <pAn2r...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>>
>>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>>
>>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>>not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against
> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
> time and I get to look at the material immediately.
>
>
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
> screens but they are handy for searches.
I co-wrote an edition of RQ once myself. (I was the least important of 5 authors,
> In article <pAn2r...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <pgeckp$qvj$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>In article <pAMyy...@kithrup.com>,
>>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Of the original DunDraCon Committee, one member remains: Steve
>>>>Perrin, co-creator of _Runequest_ and current Seminars organizer.
>>>
>>>Huh. I just bought the new RQ. Waiting for the hardcover to review it.
>>
>>Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
>>not a book. Are we on the same page?
>
> Yes. It's not unknown now for RPGs to have electronic editions and physical
> ones. In the case of Glorantha, buying the pdf* gets one a credit against
> the eventual physical book. Effectively, I get to spread the cost out over
> time and I get to look at the material immediately.
>
>
> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape laptop
> screens but they are handy for searches.
mind you.)
As for PDFs--they don't have to be portrait, but that's the common format
for reasons that boil down to tradition. You might consider getting a large
tablet. Android tablets are very inexpensive and you can hold them in
portrait mode while reading PDFs.
For that matter, my last laptop was a foldable that could turn into a tablet
and be used in landscape mode.
Robert Woodward
Jun 21, 2018, 1:06:25 PM6/21/18
to
In article <pge61b$41d$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
hearing this individual saying that and a friend who mentioned that a
friend heard that this individual said that (or was at least in a room
where it was said). And secondly, I have little sympathy of people who
are too lazy to do their job properly.
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
> >On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> >> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
> >
> >Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
> >are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
> >be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
>
> I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
> didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
> about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
> bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
> any women planning to attend.
First of all, speaking hypothetically, there is a difference between you
> In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
> >On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
> >> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
> >
> >Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
> >are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
> >be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
>
> I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
> didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
> about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
> bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
> any women planning to attend.
hearing this individual saying that and a friend who mentioned that a
friend heard that this individual said that (or was at least in a room
where it was said). And secondly, I have little sympathy of people who
are too lazy to do their job properly.
James Nicoll
Jun 21, 2018, 1:13:08 PM6/21/18
to
In article <robertaw-FD1D25...@news.individual.net>,
enough to have bragged online that he called someone "Tits"?
I do admit I'd expect a concom to put in at least as much effort
researching guests as I currently do accepting friend requests on
facebook.
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>In article <pge61b$41d$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
>> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>> >On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>> >> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>> >
>> >Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
>> >are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
>> >be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
>>
>> I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
>> didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
>> about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
>> bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
>> any women planning to attend.
>
>First of all, speaking hypothetically, there is a difference between you
>hearing this individual saying that and a friend who mentioned that a
>friend heard that this individual said that (or was at least in a room
>where it was said). And secondly, I have little sympathy of people who
>are too lazy to do their job properly.
>
How do you feel about the hypothetical case where the person was kind
>In article <pge61b$41d$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnpil3h8...@panix5.panix.com>,
>> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>> >On 2018-06-20, Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just how many people have been disinvited from cons over the years?
>> >> And why? IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>> >
>> >Not sure how you mean that. As a person who used to invite guests to cons,
>> >are you suggesting that I should be forbidden to pick guests, and instead
>> >be compelled to choose based on some sort of randomizer?
>>
>> I believe the thesis here is if a concom, speaking entirely hypothetically,
>> didn't do due diligence and invited a guest who had bragged at length
>> about referring to another guest as "Tits", then the concom should be
>> bound to honour the invitation regardless of the message this might send
>> any women planning to attend.
>
>First of all, speaking hypothetically, there is a difference between you
>hearing this individual saying that and a friend who mentioned that a
>friend heard that this individual said that (or was at least in a room
>where it was said). And secondly, I have little sympathy of people who
>are too lazy to do their job properly.
>
enough to have bragged online that he called someone "Tits"?
I do admit I'd expect a concom to put in at least as much effort
researching guests as I currently do accepting friend requests on
facebook.
James Nicoll
Jun 21, 2018, 1:37:10 PM6/21/18
to
In article <slrnpinmgc...@panix5.panix.com>,
I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
Moriarty
Jun 21, 2018, 6:56:51 PM6/21/18
to
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 12:43:15 AM UTC+10, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2018-06-20, Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
> > Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the
> > hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.
>
> Well, and also in the hope that the bugfixes they've put in will curb some of
> the brokenness and fix some of the issues the previous edition's gameplay and
> rules had. D&D is somewhat extreme in this; 3rd Edition introduced entirely
> new ways to use previous concepts and drastically unified the "roll a d20"
> mechanism - but that was eclipsed by the changes made for 4th Edition. 5th
> Edition in large part is much closer to 3E than to 4E, but hasn't gone all the
> way back to the Open Gaming d20 System that 3E used (which made independent
> game modules for it so attractive for other companies to mak, because for the
> first time you COULD without explicitly contacting TSR and getting permission).
>
> > My current game is using Pathfinder, which supposedly has a new edition
> > coming out next year. Pathfinder is very unusual in that it's only had one
> > edition and is ten years old.
>
> ... one big reason for which is that Pathfinder, almost literally, _took over_
> the D&D 3rd Edition rules, mechanics, and cosmos when Wizards movrd on to 4E,
> because so many players and fans liked 3E so extremely much for various
> reasons. It seems to have worked pretty well for them.
D&D3.5 was a very good system. 4th ed was a massive step backwards. I can see why they did it though. 3.5 (and Pathfinder) are very complex in the character setup and advancement. They made it simpler to encourage new players
> On 2018-06-20, Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote:
> > Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new editions in the
> > hope that their players will go out and re-buy everything.
>
> Well, and also in the hope that the bugfixes they've put in will curb some of
> the brokenness and fix some of the issues the previous edition's gameplay and
> rules had. D&D is somewhat extreme in this; 3rd Edition introduced entirely
> new ways to use previous concepts and drastically unified the "roll a d20"
> mechanism - but that was eclipsed by the changes made for 4th Edition. 5th
> Edition in large part is much closer to 3E than to 4E, but hasn't gone all the
> way back to the Open Gaming d20 System that 3E used (which made independent
> game modules for it so attractive for other companies to mak, because for the
> first time you COULD without explicitly contacting TSR and getting permission).
>
> > My current game is using Pathfinder, which supposedly has a new edition
> > coming out next year. Pathfinder is very unusual in that it's only had one
> > edition and is ten years old.
>
> ... one big reason for which is that Pathfinder, almost literally, _took over_
> the D&D 3rd Edition rules, mechanics, and cosmos when Wizards movrd on to 4E,
> because so many players and fans liked 3E so extremely much for various
> reasons. It seems to have worked pretty well for them.
> > Paizo, the makers, have made their money in producing adventures paths
> > (campaigns) for it and selling those, rather than upgrading the system. Given
> > that they've produced over of these twenty and we're just about to start the
> > second(*), I suspect we'll stick with it for some time.
>
> Well, to be fair, they also make money by producing sourcebooks for it, though
> they're nowhere near the overcompleteness that the TSR Monster Manual additions
> had become by the time 3E / 3.5E ended.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/uncommonRaces/kitsune.html
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/baseClasses/oracle.html
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedClassGuide/classOptions/oracle.html
The only sourcebook I'd say you really need in physical form is the Core Rulebook. And even that's only one book, as opposed to the two (DM's Guide and Player's Handbook) that D&D uses.
OTOH to actually play the Strange Aeons adventure path, I've ponied up for:
Six adventure path modules.
One map folio
Two pawn collections, one specific to this adventure path and a generic one.
The maps and pawn collections probably aren't necessary, but they do make it easier to GM.
-Moriarty
Carl Fink
Jun 22, 2018, 9:31:55 AM6/22/18
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On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
In fact, a quick search says that they can:
https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
Dedicated to ... Carl Fink!
James Nicoll
Jun 22, 2018, 9:35:41 AM6/22/18
to
In article <slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com>,
Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>
>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>
>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
It can but the experience is ... unpleasant.
>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>
>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>
>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
Quadibloc
Jun 22, 2018, 10:04:31 AM6/22/18
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On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:54:54 AM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:
> IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
While "political hate campaigns" covers a lot of ground, and I believe that
> IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
disinviting people because their books are controversial would normally be
inadvisable...
I would most emphatically *not* agree that disinviting someone because of multiple
accusations of sexual assault or sexual harassment, which appear to be credible,
have been made which have not yet resulted in criminal charges.
So I am not going to support categorizing #MeToo as a "political hate campaign".
John Savard
Kevrob
Jun 22, 2018, 10:22:01 AM6/22/18
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On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:04:31 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> So I am not going to support categorizing #MeToo as a "political hate campaign".
Just wait for #Justice4VatGirls
> So I am not going to support categorizing #MeToo as a "political hate campaign".
Kevin R
James Nicoll
Jun 22, 2018, 11:52:23 AM6/22/18
to
In article <pgitvb$opm$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
any way recommended save as a last resort to browse the web using the
Kobo. Not just the store (although that's where it will helpfully send
you if it can) but FB, twitter, the other interwebs. Just don't expect
the battery to last long if you try, and expect the experience to be
slow and painful.
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com>,
>Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>>
>>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>
>>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
>
>It can but the experience is ... unpleasant.
Speaking of things one can do with a Kobo, it is possible but not in
>In article <slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com>,
>Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>>
>>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>
>>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
>
>It can but the experience is ... unpleasant.
any way recommended save as a last resort to browse the web using the
Kobo. Not just the store (although that's where it will helpfully send
you if it can) but FB, twitter, the other interwebs. Just don't expect
the battery to last long if you try, and expect the experience to be
slow and painful.
Jerry Brown
Jun 22, 2018, 12:45:51 PM6/22/18
to
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:52:20 +0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
>In article <pgitvb$opm$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com>,
>>Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>>>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>>>
>>>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>>
>>>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
>>
>>It can but the experience is ... unpleasant.
>
>Speaking of things one can do with a Kobo, it is possible but not in
>any way recommended save as a last resort to browse the web using the
>Kobo. Not just the store (although that's where it will helpfully send
>you if it can) but FB, twitter, the other interwebs. Just don't expect
>the battery to last long if you try, and expect the experience to be
>slow and painful.
The Kindle can do this as well, with similar drawbacks. I believe the
Nicoll) wrote:
>In article <pgitvb$opm$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com>,
>>Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>>>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>>>
>>>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>>
>>>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
>>
>>It can but the experience is ... unpleasant.
>
>Speaking of things one can do with a Kobo, it is possible but not in
>any way recommended save as a last resort to browse the web using the
>Kobo. Not just the store (although that's where it will helpfully send
>you if it can) but FB, twitter, the other interwebs. Just don't expect
>the battery to last long if you try, and expect the experience to be
>slow and painful.
browser is included for when using wifi in restaurants, pubs, etc,
which require a password to be entered via a browser.
--
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Carl Fink
Jun 22, 2018, 1:00:35 PM6/22/18
to
Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
general-purpose handheld computer.
Mind you, I'm of the "computer" variety of nerd.
James Nicoll
Jun 22, 2018, 1:05:03 PM6/22/18
to
In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
and it's very light.
Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>
>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>general-purpose handheld computer.
I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>
>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>general-purpose handheld computer.
and it's very light.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 22, 2018, 1:19:14 PM6/22/18
to
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in news:pgetup$h3h$1
@reader1.panix.com:
> In article <pAnC8...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
> Amazon uses mobi.
>
Sort of, sometimes. It's not really .mobi any more, though, and
hasn't been for a long, long time. (Tbey own the rights to the
format, and can "update" is any time they want.) And they use other
formats, too, some of which are utterly incomprehensible to any
computer device not made by Amazon.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
@reader1.panix.com:
> In article <pAnC8...@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <XnsA907A4D1EBD...@69.16.179.42>,
>>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>>>news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>>>
>>>> 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of landscape
>>>> laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>>
>>>I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever the
>>>hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>>I forget what Amazon's format is called, but it's not .epub.
>>.Epub is what most of the other readers uses. Bill had a
>>difficult time getting _TIL_ to be readable by Kindles at all.
>>
> Amazon uses mobi.
>
hasn't been for a long, long time. (Tbey own the rights to the
format, and can "update" is any time they want.) And they use other
formats, too, some of which are utterly incomprehensible to any
computer device not made by Amazon.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 22, 2018, 1:20:00 PM6/22/18
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hamis...@gmail.com wrote in
news:a23b63ae-92b5-4138...@googlegroups.com:
Not all. Anything that relies heavily on grahpics is another format
(not just comcis).
news:a23b63ae-92b5-4138...@googlegroups.com:
(not just comcis).
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 22, 2018, 1:22:18 PM6/22/18
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hamis...@gmail.com wrote in
news:ab674fb2-4993-481f...@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:11:00 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in
>> news:f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com:
>> for them, not adventures. Adventures tend to be lower page
>> count, low price, and often low margin.
>
> That's certainly true for a lot of the games
> Pathfinder does seem to be a bit different with a 64 page
> adventure being released each month as part of an adventure path
> (normally meant to go from 1st level to 15th level or so over 6
> modules) and a lot of people subscribing to that (plus free
> standing modules and pathfinder society scenarios). Generally it
> helps that the adventures are pretty good They've got
> subscriptions as well which a lot of people use so people have
> to take action not to buy an adventure path...
Yeah, they seem to have carved out an niche that's a very notable
exception to the usual rules. Good for them.
>
>> But necessary, because the market
>> doesn't much like games with no supplementary material
>> available. It was my impression that was the whole idea behind
>> the Open Gaming License when Wizards first started it: to shift
>> the cost and trouble of creating and publishing the low profit
>> supplementary stuff onto others, while WotC concentrated on the
>> far more profitable rule books. (And it worked.)
>>
> That certainly matches what I heard at the time, Wizards
> produced very few adventures for 3.0. They also licensed out
> Dragon and Dungeon (to Paizo who then produced pathfinder once
> the licence was removed and people were unhappy with 4th ed)
>
D&D isn't the all-consuming center of the hobby any more, and
hasn't been for a while. It's hard to tell how much Hasbro really
cares.
news:ab674fb2-4993-481f...@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:11:00 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> wrote in
>> news:f4c7374d-b86c-4de8...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new
>> > editions in the hope that their players will go out and
>> > re-buy everything.
>> >
>> Historically, the real money is in rule books and expansions
>> > Most RPGs make their money by constantly coming up with new
>> > editions in the hope that their players will go out and
>> > re-buy everything.
>> >
>> for them, not adventures. Adventures tend to be lower page
>> count, low price, and often low margin.
>
> That's certainly true for a lot of the games
> Pathfinder does seem to be a bit different with a 64 page
> adventure being released each month as part of an adventure path
> (normally meant to go from 1st level to 15th level or so over 6
> modules) and a lot of people subscribing to that (plus free
> standing modules and pathfinder society scenarios). Generally it
> helps that the adventures are pretty good They've got
> subscriptions as well which a lot of people use so people have
> to take action not to buy an adventure path...
Yeah, they seem to have carved out an niche that's a very notable
exception to the usual rules. Good for them.
>
>> But necessary, because the market
>> doesn't much like games with no supplementary material
>> available. It was my impression that was the whole idea behind
>> the Open Gaming License when Wizards first started it: to shift
>> the cost and trouble of creating and publishing the low profit
>> supplementary stuff onto others, while WotC concentrated on the
>> far more profitable rule books. (And it worked.)
>>
> That certainly matches what I heard at the time, Wizards
> produced very few adventures for 3.0. They also licensed out
> Dragon and Dungeon (to Paizo who then produced pathfinder once
> the licence was removed and people were unhappy with 4th ed)
>
D&D isn't the all-consuming center of the hobby any more, and
hasn't been for a while. It's hard to tell how much Hasbro really
cares.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 22, 2018, 1:24:49 PM6/22/18
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hamis...@gmail.com wrote in
news:c677e103-73d0-42c3...@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:12:12 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
>
I will admit, though, that there are obstacles when trying to format
a manuscript that relies heavily on tables.
news:c677e103-73d0-42c3...@googlegroups.com:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:12:12 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>> news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>> >
>> > 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of
>> > landscape laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>
>> I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever
>> the hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
> Seconded.
>> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote in
>> news:pgek9v$kri$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>> >
>> > 1: I hate pdfs because they are portrait in a world of
>> > landscape laptop screens but they are handy for searches.
>>
>> I do wish more game publishers would offer .epub, or whatever
>> the hell Amazon's format is called these days.
>>
>
I will admit, though, that there are obstacles when trying to format
a manuscript that relies heavily on tables.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 22, 2018, 1:28:52 PM6/22/18
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in
news:slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com:
> On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>> pdfs.
>
> Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>
> In fact, a quick search says that they can:
> https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-you
> r-kobo-ereader
The screen is generally too small, and while PDFs can be zoomed, they
don't re-flow when you do.
Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much impossible.
news:slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com:
> On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>> pdfs.
>
> Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>
> In fact, a quick search says that they can:
> https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-you
> r-kobo-ereader
don't re-flow when you do.
Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much impossible.
Robert Woodward
Jun 22, 2018, 1:33:02 PM6/22/18
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In article <pggmb0$k97$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
That does indicate a significant level of innate rudeness. Though, still
speaking hypothetically, how annoying had that someone had been to the
person in question should not be ignored.
> I do admit I'd expect a concom to put in at least as much effort
> researching guests as I currently do accepting friend requests on
> facebook.
I am somewhat curious on how much time you spend for that? 1 minute? 10
minutes? an hour?
speaking hypothetically, how annoying had that someone had been to the
person in question should not be ignored.
> I do admit I'd expect a concom to put in at least as much effort
> researching guests as I currently do accepting friend requests on
> facebook.
minutes? an hour?
Carl Fink
Jun 22, 2018, 1:39:59 PM6/22/18
to
On 2018-06-22, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>
> I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
> and it's very light.
I'm sure it's perfect for your use.
> In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>
> I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
> and it's very light.
I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
typical device buyer.
Carl Fink
Jun 22, 2018, 1:41:45 PM6/22/18
to
On 2018-06-22, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in
> news:slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com:
>
>> On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>>> pdfs.
>>
>> Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>
>> In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>> https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-you
>> r-kobo-ereader
>
> The screen is generally too small, and while PDFs can be zoomed, they
> don't re-flow when you do.
>
> Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much impossible.
I read PDFs on my phone's 4.5" screen regularly. Granted it's a struggle,
> Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in
> news:slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com:
>
>> On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>>> pdfs.
>>
>> Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>
>> In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>> https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-you
>> r-kobo-ereader
>
> The screen is generally too small, and while PDFs can be zoomed, they
> don't re-flow when you do.
>
> Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much impossible.
but that's why upthread some ways I recommended a "large" tablet. PDFs work
fine on my 10" tablet.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 22, 2018, 1:43:45 PM6/22/18
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in
news:slrnpiqd6n...@panix5.panix.com:
> On 2018-06-22, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in
>> news:slrnpipui9...@panix5.panix.com:
>>
>>> On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>>>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>>>> pdfs.
>>>
>>> Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>>
>>> In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>> https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-y
>>> ou r-kobo-ereader
>>
>> The screen is generally too small, and while PDFs can be
>> zoomed, they don't re-flow when you do.
>>
>> Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much
>> impossible.
>
> I read PDFs on my phone's 4.5" screen regularly.
> Granted it's a
> struggle, but that's why upthread some ways I recommended a
> "large" tablet. PDFs work fine on my 10" tablet.
a PDF on anything other than a desktop are pretty close to zero.
Especially something as unimportant as a game book.
James Nicoll
Jun 22, 2018, 1:48:02 PM6/22/18
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In article <robertaw-BFD22A...@news.individual.net>,
I use a default to no system so if I look at their profile and fail
to see a logical reason why they'd friend me, I pass. Someone whose
profile is blank? Immediate pass.
to see a logical reason why they'd friend me, I pass. Someone whose
profile is blank? Immediate pass.
James Nicoll
Jun 22, 2018, 1:49:51 PM6/22/18
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In article <pgjcof$34s$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Sometimes this backfires. I almost didn't friend a co-worker because
I didn't recognize them with my work place cognitive filters off.
I didn't recognize them with my work place cognitive filters off.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Jun 22, 2018, 2:24:01 PM6/22/18
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC), Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com>
wrote:
>On 2018-06-22, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
>> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>>
>> I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>> and it's very light.
>
>I'm sure it's perfect for your use.
>
>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>typical device buyer.
Wait, is that all?
I have two desktop computers (one Mac, one Windows), two laptops, a
tablet, and a smartphone, and I'm very surprised if I really have more
gadgetry than you do.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml
wrote:
>On 2018-06-22, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
>> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>>
>> I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>> and it's very light.
>
>I'm sure it's perfect for your use.
>
>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>typical device buyer.
I have two desktop computers (one Mac, one Windows), two laptops, a
tablet, and a smartphone, and I'm very surprised if I really have more
gadgetry than you do.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml
Scott Lurndal
Jun 22, 2018, 3:45:19 PM6/22/18
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jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
>Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>
>I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>and it's very light.
I like my original Nooks for the same reason, plus the e-ink is much
>In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
>Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>
>I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>and it's very light.
more suited to reading outdoors when compared with standard tablet
screens.
Scott Lurndal
Jun 22, 2018, 3:47:02 PM6/22/18
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> writes:
>On 2018-06-22, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
>> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>>
>> I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>> and it's very light.
>
>I'm sure it's perfect for your use.
>
>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>typical device buyer.
Heck, I have two vlans, a DMZ and four externally facing servers in addition
>On 2018-06-22, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrnpiqaph...@panix5.panix.com>,
>> Carl Fink <ca...@finknetwork.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>>>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>>>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>>>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>>>general-purpose handheld computer.
>>
>> I like my Kobo because the battery lasts a couple of weeks between charges
>> and it's very light.
>
>I'm sure it's perfect for your use.
>
>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>typical device buyer.
to the desktops, laptops and a android tablet. Yet
the Nook is far superior to a more general-purpose tablet or handheld
computer.
Kevrob
Jun 22, 2018, 4:24:43 PM6/22/18
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On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:47:02 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
/strip/1992-12-31
Dilbert v TechnoBill?
Kevin R
(I have a 100 pairs of stretch socks....)
> Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> writes:
> >I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
> >smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
> >server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
> >typical device buyer.
>
> Heck, I have two vlans, a DMZ and four externally facing servers in addition
> to the desktops, laptops and a android tablet. Yet
> the Nook is far superior to a more general-purpose tablet or handheld
> computer.
ObComic Strips:
> >I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
> >smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
> >server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
> >typical device buyer.
>
> Heck, I have two vlans, a DMZ and four externally facing servers in addition
> to the desktops, laptops and a android tablet. Yet
> the Nook is far superior to a more general-purpose tablet or handheld
> computer.
/strip/1992-12-31
Dilbert v TechnoBill?
Kevin R
(I have a 100 pairs of stretch socks....)
Dimensional Traveler
Jun 22, 2018, 5:06:18 PM6/22/18
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--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
Carl Fink
Jun 22, 2018, 5:08:45 PM6/22/18
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On 2018-06-22, Lawrence Watt-Evans <misencha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC), Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com>
> wrote:
>>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>>typical device buyer.
>
> Wait, is that all?
>
> I have two desktop computers (one Mac, one Windows), two laptops, a
> tablet, and a smartphone, and I'm very surprised if I really have more
> gadgetry than you do.
Does that include devices your wife uses?
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC), Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com>
> wrote:
>>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>>typical device buyer.
>
> Wait, is that all?
>
> I have two desktop computers (one Mac, one Windows), two laptops, a
> tablet, and a smartphone, and I'm very surprised if I really have more
> gadgetry than you do.
For years now, I've given away anything I don't anticipate using again. My
sister got two laptops, for instance. I've given away at least two tablets
over the years as well.
I don't own a house, as you do, so I have constrained storage space.
Carl Fink
Jun 22, 2018, 5:10:22 PM6/22/18
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On 2018-06-22, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Heck, I have two vlans, a DMZ and four externally facing servers in addition
> to the desktops, laptops and a android tablet. Yet
> the Nook is far superior to a more general-purpose tablet or handheld
> computer.
Maybe for you, is all I can say to that. I acknowledge the battery thing but
> Heck, I have two vlans, a DMZ and four externally facing servers in addition
> to the desktops, laptops and a android tablet. Yet
> the Nook is far superior to a more general-purpose tablet or handheld
> computer.
it never affects me. I can read the glowing screen just fine, and its lesser
visibility in bright late has never really made a difference to me.
Not challenging your reaction, just saying that people's preferences differ.
Mike Van Pelt
Jun 22, 2018, 7:46:08 PM6/22/18
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In article <76bd807f-c473-40fd...@googlegroups.com>,
But in the two recent cases of "inviting, then dis-inviting"
that I'm aware of, there were no such accusations, at all. Just
someone saying they'd "feel unsafe" with a ThoughtCriminal<tm>
attending, and the ConCom being Shocked! Shocked! that the
invited guest held opinions that Deviated from What It Is
Permitted To Think.
That's a little different than credible accusations of actual
sexual assault or harassment.
--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:54:54 AM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>
>While "political hate campaigns" covers a lot of ground, and I
>believe that disinviting people because their books are
>controversial would normally be inadvisable...
>
>I would most emphatically *not* agree that disinviting someone
>because of multiple accusations of sexual assault or sexual
>harassment, which appear to be credible, have been made which
>have not yet resulted in criminal charges.
That's reasonable.
>On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:54:54 AM UTC-6, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> IMHO, nothing short of criminal charges would be a valid reason.
>
>While "political hate campaigns" covers a lot of ground, and I
>believe that disinviting people because their books are
>controversial would normally be inadvisable...
>
>I would most emphatically *not* agree that disinviting someone
>because of multiple accusations of sexual assault or sexual
>harassment, which appear to be credible, have been made which
>have not yet resulted in criminal charges.
But in the two recent cases of "inviting, then dis-inviting"
that I'm aware of, there were no such accusations, at all. Just
someone saying they'd "feel unsafe" with a ThoughtCriminal<tm>
attending, and the ConCom being Shocked! Shocked! that the
invited guest held opinions that Deviated from What It Is
Permitted To Think.
That's a little different than credible accusations of actual
sexual assault or harassment.
--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Jun 23, 2018, 12:01:08 AM6/23/18
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 21:08:43 +0000 (UTC), Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com>
>For years now, I've given away anything I don't anticipate using again. My
>sister got two laptops, for instance. I've given away at least two tablets
>over the years as well.
>
>I don't own a house, as you do, so I have constrained storage space.
That would indeed make a difference.
wrote:
>On 2018-06-22, Lawrence Watt-Evans <misencha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC), Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>>>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>>>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>>>typical device buyer.
>>
>> Wait, is that all?
>>
>> I have two desktop computers (one Mac, one Windows), two laptops, a
>> tablet, and a smartphone, and I'm very surprised if I really have more
>> gadgetry than you do.
>
>Does that include devices your wife uses?
No. She has a large laptop and an iPhone.
>On 2018-06-22, Lawrence Watt-Evans <misencha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC), Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>I'm the person who currently owns three computers, a tablet and a
>>>smartphone, not counting my work tablet and computer. And I have my own
>>>server, to go with my two externally-hosted blogs. I really am not the
>>>typical device buyer.
>>
>> Wait, is that all?
>>
>> I have two desktop computers (one Mac, one Windows), two laptops, a
>> tablet, and a smartphone, and I'm very surprised if I really have more
>> gadgetry than you do.
>
>Does that include devices your wife uses?
>For years now, I've given away anything I don't anticipate using again. My
>sister got two laptops, for instance. I've given away at least two tablets
>over the years as well.
>
>I don't own a house, as you do, so I have constrained storage space.
Quadibloc
Jun 23, 2018, 12:27:53 AM6/23/18
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On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:06:18 PM UTC-6, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> "a DMZ" O_o Your computers have a tendency to war with each other?
Nah. That's for the war between you and your computers and those nasty hackers who
> "a DMZ" O_o Your computers have a tendency to war with each other?
are lurking out there on the Internet.
John Savard
Quadibloc
Jun 23, 2018, 12:30:43 AM6/23/18
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On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 11:28:52 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much impossible.
I read PDFs on my smartphone (and not an unusually big smartphone, like the one
> Trying to read a PDF on my 7" tablet would be pretty much impossible.
Samsung makes) all the time.
Ah, yes: I keep forgetting about your Earth vision ratio. ("See what this
microfilm says?" "Are you kidding?" - Martin O'Hara and Tim O'Hara, from issue
#1 of the Gold Key My Favorite Martian comic, notable because it was drawn by
Russ Manning.)
While not Martian, I am myopic, so that helps.
John Savard
Ninapenda Jibini
Jun 23, 2018, 1:36:41 AM6/23/18
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Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:1a14608a-d04c-4d68...@googlegroups.com:
I am myopic nearly to the point of being legally blind without
correction.
No, it doesn't.
--
Terry Austin
news:1a14608a-d04c-4d68...@googlegroups.com:
correction.
No, it doesn't.
--
Terry Austin
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Jun 23, 2018, 5:08:02 AM6/23/18
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but is isolated from the rest of your internal network. You use it (as
Scott does) to put in Internet-facing servers for websites or whatever
to prevent any hijackers from using them as a stepping stone onto your
more personal machines.
Usually you'd set them up so you can push updates from your personal
machine to a DMZ machine, but it's a one-way thing.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected
abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the
last time you needed one?" - Tom Cargil, C++ Journal
mcdow...@sky.com
Jun 23, 2018, 1:49:19 PM6/23/18
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Ninapenda Jibini
Jun 23, 2018, 2:51:00 PM6/23/18
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mcdow...@sky.com wrote in
news:3a3b5548-5fae-4085...@googlegroups.com:
I expect it has more to do with the resolution of the screen, and,
perhaps, other factors affecting vision than myopia, such as
getting old.
The main factor, though, is that while you can zoom in on a PDF, it
won't reflow, so once you zoom in past where a line of text still
fits on the screen, you have to swipe back and forth to continue.
And that's a pain in the ass, and not worth the trouble.
news:3a3b5548-5fae-4085...@googlegroups.com:
perhaps, other factors affecting vision than myopia, such as
getting old.
The main factor, though, is that while you can zoom in on a PDF, it
won't reflow, so once you zoom in past where a line of text still
fits on the screen, you have to swipe back and forth to continue.
And that's a pain in the ass, and not worth the trouble.
Greg Goss
Jun 24, 2018, 2:25:34 PM6/24/18
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote:
>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>
>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>
>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
I was under the impression that the locked version of ePub that Kobo
>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing [1]. I am
>> not keen on buying another device just to deal with pdfs.
>
>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>
>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-your-kobo-ereader
uses was designed by Adobe. I would be surprised if it didn't support
Adobe's most famous protocol. But I hate, hate, hate reading PDF on
anything smaller than 13 inch screen. And there are many other
reasons to hate PDF - eg, you can cut'n'paste from a web page ore
almost anything else, but a cut'n'paste from a PDF is either truly
incomprehensible (Wednesday this week) or badly formatted enough that
it may as well be incomprehensible.
I am on my second Kobo, but as an introverted nerd, I'm not stuck out
in the sunshine enough to need anything other than my phone. I bought
the second Kobo to use at a job where I had to sit in the sunshine and
deal with periodic bursts of customers, interspersed with long waits.
Reading on my phone doesn't cut it in the sunshine.
My first eReader (a Sony, then a warranty replacement Sony) also used
a locked version of ePub. When the second Sony died, I bought a Kobo
mini, marked at $90, but turned out to be on a half price sale when I
got to the cashier. The Sony was before I started reading books on
phones; The second was deliberately for daytime reading. When the
Kobo died, I bought another identical-but-colour Kobo mini.
Shirt pocket carrying is important to me in a book. The full-size
Kobo would fit, but then the phone wouldn't fit, too. So it's a mini
or nothing. And paper books are long-scorned for exactly this reason.
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
Ninapenda Jibini
Jun 24, 2018, 3:17:25 PM6/24/18
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
news:fpa60q...@mid.individual.net:
> Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>>> pdfs.
>>
>>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>
>>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-you
>>r-kobo-ereader
>
> I was under the impression that the locked version of ePub that
> Kobo uses was designed by Adobe. I would be surprised if it
> didn't support Adobe's most famous protocol.
I expect they'll read unencrypted versions, too, of any format
they'll read at all. Everybody else's does, and some publishers
don't like selling encrypted files.
> But I hate, hate,
> hate reading PDF on anything smaller than 13 inch screen.
I don't hate it so much as it isn't functional.
> And
> there are many other reasons to hate PDF - eg, you can
> cut'n'paste from a web page ore almost anything else, but a
> cut'n'paste from a PDF is either truly incomprehensible
> (Wednesday this week) or badly formatted enough that it may as
> well be incomprehensible.
That's a feature of the particular PDFs, not of the format. I copy
& paste from PDFs all the time, without issue.
> Shirt pocket carrying is important to me in a book. The
> full-size Kobo would fit, but then the phone wouldn't fit, too.
> So it's a mini or nothing. And paper books are long-scorned for
> exactly this reason.
I used to be very particular about 7" tablets that would fit a back
pants pocket, but while my current Samsung Android table will fit,
the child-resistant protective case will not. :(
news:fpa60q...@mid.individual.net:
> Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-06-21, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Kobo for ebooks and a laptop for work and browsing
>>> [1]. I am not keen on buying another device just to deal with
>>> pdfs.
>>
>>Pretty sure a Kobo can read PDFs.
>>
>>In fact, a quick search says that they can:
>>https://www.kobo.com/help/en-US/article/3484/reading-pdfas-on-you
>>r-kobo-ereader
>
> I was under the impression that the locked version of ePub that
> Kobo uses was designed by Adobe. I would be surprised if it
> didn't support Adobe's most famous protocol.
they'll read at all. Everybody else's does, and some publishers
don't like selling encrypted files.
> But I hate, hate,
> hate reading PDF on anything smaller than 13 inch screen.
> And
> there are many other reasons to hate PDF - eg, you can
> cut'n'paste from a web page ore almost anything else, but a
> cut'n'paste from a PDF is either truly incomprehensible
> (Wednesday this week) or badly formatted enough that it may as
> well be incomprehensible.
& paste from PDFs all the time, without issue.
> Shirt pocket carrying is important to me in a book. The
> full-size Kobo would fit, but then the phone wouldn't fit, too.
> So it's a mini or nothing. And paper books are long-scorned for
> exactly this reason.
pants pocket, but while my current Samsung Android table will fit,
the child-resistant protective case will not. :(
Dimensional Traveler
Jun 24, 2018, 5:10:58 PM6/24/18
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(picture), saved from an image, saved as text, saved as any of a half
dozen different ways times extras like text fields, signatures, etc. I
have to deal with PDFs all day at work because that's what the courts use.
Ninapenda Jibini
Jun 24, 2018, 8:48:01 PM6/24/18
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Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in
news:pgp1cv$fo7$1...@dont-email.me:
And other things, like security settings. As I said, it's an issue
with particular files, not the format.
> Saved as an
> image (picture), saved from an image, saved as text, saved as
> any of a half dozen different ways times extras like text
> fields, signatures, etc. I have to deal with PDFs all day at
> work because that's what the courts use.
>
I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few ebooks are
made those ways (though game books of old, old, out of print stuff
are often just scanned images, but even then, there's usually a
half-assed attempt to OCR it).
news:pgp1cv$fo7$1...@dont-email.me:
with particular files, not the format.
> Saved as an
> image (picture), saved from an image, saved as text, saved as
> any of a half dozen different ways times extras like text
> fields, signatures, etc. I have to deal with PDFs all day at
> work because that's what the courts use.
>
made those ways (though game books of old, old, out of print stuff
are often just scanned images, but even then, there's usually a
half-assed attempt to OCR it).
Greg Goss
Jun 25, 2018, 1:12:20 AM6/25/18
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Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few ebooks are
>made those ways (though game books of old, old, out of print stuff
>are often just scanned images, but even then, there's usually a
>half-assed attempt to OCR it).
I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly mechanically
>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few ebooks are
>made those ways (though game books of old, old, out of print stuff
>are often just scanned images, but even then, there's usually a
>half-assed attempt to OCR it).
inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual that I downloaded from
somewhere when I bought the bike.
It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off vertical,
no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible photographs.
Greg Goss
Jun 25, 2018, 1:13:33 AM6/25/18
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jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>Speaking of things one can do with a Kobo, it is possible but not in
>any way recommended save as a last resort to browse the web using the
>Kobo. Not just the store (although that's where it will helpfully send
>you if it can) but FB, twitter, the other interwebs. Just don't expect
>the battery to last long if you try, and expect the experience to be
>slow and painful.
My first Kobo did not have WiFi, if I remember right. My current one
does.
>Speaking of things one can do with a Kobo, it is possible but not in
>any way recommended save as a last resort to browse the web using the
>Kobo. Not just the store (although that's where it will helpfully send
>you if it can) but FB, twitter, the other interwebs. Just don't expect
>the battery to last long if you try, and expect the experience to be
>slow and painful.
My first Kobo did not have WiFi, if I remember right. My current one
does.
Greg Goss
Jun 25, 2018, 1:14:40 AM6/25/18
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote:
>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>general-purpose handheld computer.
>
>Mind you, I'm of the "computer" variety of nerd.
>This is, of course, why I bought an Android tablet (which can read Kobo and
>Kindle books, should I so desire) rather than a dedicated company-store
>ereader. Ereaders have advantages--the old paperwhite Kindles had
>astonishingly long battery life--but I'm much happier with a more
>general-purpose handheld computer.
>
I use the eReader (originally Sony, currently Kobo) if I want to read
books in full sunlight.
Ninapenda Jibini
Jun 25, 2018, 1:57:42 AM6/25/18
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
ebooks (which a manual isn't).
Peter Trei
Jun 25, 2018, 9:17:00 AM6/25/18
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On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few ebooks
> >>are made those ways (though game books of old, old, out of print
> >>stuff are often just scanned images, but even then, there's
> >>usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
> >
> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly mechanically
> > inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual that I
> > downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
> >
> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
> > photographs.
>
> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal on
> ebooks (which a manual isn't).
Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download, PDF manuals
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few ebooks
> >>are made those ways (though game books of old, old, out of print
> >>stuff are often just scanned images, but even then, there's
> >>usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
> >
> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly mechanically
> > inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual that I
> > downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
> >
> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
> > photographs.
>
> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal on
> ebooks (which a manual isn't).
for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
pt
Carl Fink
Jun 25, 2018, 10:15:28 AM6/25/18
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Scott Lurndal
Jun 25, 2018, 10:42:39 AM6/25/18
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> writes:
>I was under the impression that the locked version of ePub that Kobo
>uses was designed by Adobe. I would be surprised if it didn't support
>Adobe's most famous protocol. But I hate, hate, hate reading PDF on
>anything smaller than 13 inch screen. And there are many other
>reasons to hate PDF - eg, you can cut'n'paste from a web page ore
>almost anything else, but a cut'n'paste from a PDF is either truly
>incomprehensible (Wednesday this week) or badly formatted enough that
>it may as well be incomprehensible.
I suspect this may be a function of windows and acroread. I use
>I was under the impression that the locked version of ePub that Kobo
>uses was designed by Adobe. I would be surprised if it didn't support
>Adobe's most famous protocol. But I hate, hate, hate reading PDF on
>anything smaller than 13 inch screen. And there are many other
>reasons to hate PDF - eg, you can cut'n'paste from a web page ore
>almost anything else, but a cut'n'paste from a PDF is either truly
>incomprehensible (Wednesday this week) or badly formatted enough that
>it may as well be incomprehensible.
xpdf on linux and have had no problems[*] with cut'n'paste from PDF
files (aside from a few which explicitly disable the functionality
in the document itself - although these are generally encrypted
and sometimes even use the on-line adobe security server to control
access).
[*] Aside from the occasional UTF-8 sequence for bullets that breaks mickysoft
mail when pasted.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 25, 2018, 1:01:17 PM6/25/18
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Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
history for tech support.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
history for tech support.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Peter Trei
Jun 25, 2018, 1:33:00 PM6/25/18
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On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:01:17 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
> > wrote:
> >> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> >> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
> >>
> >> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few
> >> >>ebooks are made those ways (though game books of old, old,
> >> >>out of print stuff are often just scanned images, but even
> >> >>then, there's usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
> >> >
> >> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly
> >> > mechanically inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual
> >> > that I downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
> >> >
> >> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
> >> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
> >> > photographs.
> >>
> >> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal
> >> on ebooks (which a manual isn't).
> >
> > Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download,
> > PDF manuals for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
> >
> No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
> history for tech support.
Just as important: The plethora of 'how to' videos on Youtube. They've
> Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
> > wrote:
> >> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> >> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
> >>
> >> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few
> >> >>ebooks are made those ways (though game books of old, old,
> >> >>out of print stuff are often just scanned images, but even
> >> >>then, there's usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
> >> >
> >> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly
> >> > mechanically inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual
> >> > that I downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
> >> >
> >> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
> >> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
> >> > photographs.
> >>
> >> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal
> >> on ebooks (which a manual isn't).
> >
> > Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download,
> > PDF manuals for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
> >
> No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
> history for tech support.
allowed me to do a lot of little jobs for which I'd have once paid a
contractor.
pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 25, 2018, 1:43:43 PM6/25/18
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Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:267bac75-e1e2-46eb...@googlegroups.com:
deserves a special mention. (Not for me, I hate watching videos by
people who have no clue how to make videos. I find assorted support
forums far more useful. But I expect I'm the unusual one there.)
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Jun 25, 2018, 1:47:29 PM6/25/18
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In article <XnsA90C65EF549...@69.16.179.43>,
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columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
>> wrote:
>>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
>>> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few
>>> >>ebooks are made those ways (though game books of old, old,
>>> >>out of print stuff are often just scanned images, but even
>>> >>then, there's usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
>>> >
>>> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly
>>> > mechanically inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual
>>> > that I downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
>>> >
>>> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
>>> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
>>> > photographs.
>>>
>>> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal
>>> on ebooks (which a manual isn't).
>>
>> Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download,
>> PDF manuals for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
>>
>No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
>history for tech support.
>
https://xkcd.com/979/
>Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
>> wrote:
>>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
>>> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few
>>> >>ebooks are made those ways (though game books of old, old,
>>> >>out of print stuff are often just scanned images, but even
>>> >>then, there's usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
>>> >
>>> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly
>>> > mechanically inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual
>>> > that I downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
>>> >
>>> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
>>> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
>>> > photographs.
>>>
>>> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal
>>> on ebooks (which a manual isn't).
>>
>> Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download,
>> PDF manuals for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
>>
>No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
>history for tech support.
>
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jun 25, 2018, 2:08:38 PM6/25/18
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t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
news:fpco5c...@mid.individual.net:
Not nearly as frustrating as finding detailed, step by step
instructions on the official support site, and halfway through,
the menu entry you're supposed to click on just isn't there.
Google is the sum of all human knowledge, and some of it is even
true!
news:fpco5c...@mid.individual.net:
instructions on the official support site, and halfway through,
the menu entry you're supposed to click on just isn't there.
Google is the sum of all human knowledge, and some of it is even
true!
Greg Goss
Jun 26, 2018, 2:10:01 AM6/26/18
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>Peter Trei <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
>> wrote:
>>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
>>> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few
>>> >>ebooks are made those ways (though game books of old, old,
>>> >>out of print stuff are often just scanned images, but even
>>> >>then, there's usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
>>> >
>>> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly
>>> > mechanically inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual
>>> > that I downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
>>> >
>>> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
>>> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
>>> > photographs.
>>>
>>> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal
>>> on ebooks (which a manual isn't).
>>
>> Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download,
>> PDF manuals for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
>>
>No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
>history for tech support.
And, as the guy who launched this subthread, the "shitty scan" did
>news:7a30efc3-134b-4f56...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:57:42 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
>> wrote:
>>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
>>> news:fpbbth...@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>> > Ninapenda Jibini <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I deal with them at work quite a lot, too. But very few
>>> >>ebooks are made those ways (though game books of old, old,
>>> >>out of print stuff are often just scanned images, but even
>>> >>then, there's usually a half-assed attempt to OCR it).
>>> >
>>> > I have a 1981 motorcycle, and am not particularly
>>> > mechanically inclined. Today I pulled up the owner's manual
>>> > that I downloaded from somewhere when I bought the bike.
>>> >
>>> > It's all pretty basic scanning, all at fifteen degrees off
>>> > vertical, no OCR, and over-contrasted incomprehensible
>>> > photographs.
>>>
>>> You have a point? Yeah, shitty scans exist. They're not normal
>>> on ebooks (which a manual isn't).
>>
>> Just chiming in that the ability to locate online, and download,
>> PDF manuals for all kinds of appliances is real boon.
>>
>No arguing with that. And Google is the greatest resource in human
>history for tech support.
answer my question, though the photo would have helped more if t had
been viewable.
synthi...@yahoo.com
Jun 27, 2018, 2:22:06 PM6/27/18
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> Um ... the _Runequest_ I'm talking about is an old tabletop RPG,
I haven't hear of RQ for years. Had a great time at the one con I went to, especially helping to create "trollball". I bet the UK guy on the project put up a web page about how to run it, and it could be used at other cons.
Nils K. Hammer
synthi...@yahoo.com
Jun 27, 2018, 2:24:44 PM6/27/18
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RQ Trollpack (sp?) was so impressive I put together a team to create one in another culture.
Nils K. Hammer
Nils K. Hammer
tsbr...@gmail.com
Jul 13, 2018, 9:24:22 AM7/13/18
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On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 6:31:45 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "The Vote is in" by David Weber
> http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
>
> "Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for
> ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the
> 2018 convention is now closed."
>
> "That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical
> invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited,
> will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online
> after the invitations are announced."
>
> Wow squared !
So guests who happen to be Trumpers would be protected?
> "The Vote is in" by David Weber
> http://www.davidweber.net/posts/468-concarolinaspetitiondone.html
>
> "Our petition in favor of the policy on guest invitations for
> ConCarolinas enunciated by Jada Hope at the closing ceremonies of the
> 2018 convention is now closed."
>
> "That policy, simply stated, is that ConCarolinas will issue apolitical
> invitations to genre-appropriate guests and that guests, once invited,
> will not be disinvited because of political hate campaigns waged online
> after the invitations are announced."
>
> Wow squared !
So guests who happen to be Trumpers would be protected?
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Jul 13, 2018, 12:15:51 PM7/13/18
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tsbr...@gmail.com wrote in
news:59e87370-765d-4041...@googlegroups.com:
As would, appaerntly, Clintonistas.
But, of course, only one side is so terrified of any opinion they
don't agree with that they form mobs to suppress it.
news:59e87370-765d-4041...@googlegroups.com:
But, of course, only one side is so terrified of any opinion they
don't agree with that they form mobs to suppress it.
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