The Origin of Gravity

[The Starmaker]

The problem with describing
The Origin of Gravity is
using 'words' to describe it..

math won't do..

and it is very differcult to picture..

before the big bang...

stars in the universe were like..
a dozen eggs.


All laid out next to each other
side by side...evenly.

but if you let all the eggs fall out..

without breaking

you need gravity to hold each one

to stop it from breaking..

Now,

The Origin of Gravity

is what kept the eggs

before the big bang...side by side evenly.


Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..

and a couple of eggs falling out.


The problem with describing
The Origin of Gravity is
using 'words' to describe it..

math won't do..

and it is very differcult to picture..


but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...

[The Starmaker]

I know it is hard in terms you can understand..


let's take a dozen eggs...

all laid out next to each other
side by side...evenly.

That is how it looked before the big bang..

Now open the box of eggs and
turn it upside down so they can all
fall down..

you look on the floor and you got this
big mess..

eggs everywhere..

but, before they were all

laid out next to each other

side by side, evenly...

and then they fell out of the box...but
each egg fell out in a straight line.

You couldn't tell by looking at the floor..

you could say the eggs on the floor are now
galaxies...

but, but...

before the big bang..
all stars were

laid out next to each other

side by side, evenly...

and during the big bang they
all went out in a straight line..

but looking at the universe today...

it appears they are all scattered out..

but they are not.

Gravity bended the straight line they were following..

so, what
laid out the stars next to each other
side by side, evenly?


What form did Gravity have before the big bang?

Here is an illustration of the stars before the big bang..


* * * *

* * * *

* * * *

* * * *

* * * *





and here is an illustration of moments during the big bang...






* *
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*
*
*




and here is an illustration after the big bang...


* . * . *
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* . * . . *
. *
. . * *
. . .
. * * *
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* . *
* *
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*
. . *
*
*
. .

* . * . *
*
* . * . . *
. *
. . * *
. . .
. * * *
.
* . *





from order to disorder..

[benj]

Utter nonsense.
There was no Big Bang.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4....@fx01.iad>, benj <be...@nobody.net> wrote:

> Utter nonsense.
> There was no Big Bang.

A Timorous Whimper?

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[Sn!pe]

Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4....@fx01.iad>, benj <be...@nobody.net> wrote:
>
> > Utter nonsense.
> > There was no Big Bang.
>
> A Timorous Whimper?

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snip...@gmail.com>,

snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4....@fx01.iad>, benj <be...@nobody.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Utter nonsense.
> > > There was no Big Bang.
> >
> > A Timorous Whimper?
>
> I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

This is how the world ends.
This is how the world ends.
Not with a hotdog
but with a Wimpy.

Do create another world later today: I'm trying to finish some software.

[Sn!pe]

Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snip...@gmail.com>,
> snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4....@fx01.iad>,
> > > benj <be...@nobody.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Utter nonsense.
> > > > There was no Big Bang.
> > >
> > > A Timorous Whimper?
> >
> > I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
>
> This is how the world ends.
> This is how the world ends.
> Not with a hotdog
> but with a Wimpy.
>
> Do create another world later today: I'm trying to finish some software.

This week's World is now 01'23" old.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <1npb6k2.18argbkcyja01N%snip...@gmail.com>,

snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snip...@gmail.com>,
> > snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> >
> > > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4....@fx01.iad>,
> > > > benj <be...@nobody.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Utter nonsense.
> > > > > There was no Big Bang.
> > > >
> > > > A Timorous Whimper?
> > >
> > > I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
> >
> > This is how the world ends.
> > This is how the world ends.
> > Not with a hotdog
> > but with a Wimpy.
> >
> > Do create another world later today: I'm trying to finish some software.
>
> This week's World is now 01'23" old.

If it's already over a foot, it should reach the whole nine yards by nightfall.

[The Starmaker]

I never said there was a big bang..I'm using those wwords to describe in terms that you can understand.


The universe went (transformed) from steady state to what you have today..

[The Starmaker]

Siri Cruise wrote:
>
> In article <1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snip...@gmail.com>,
> snip...@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> > Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4....@fx01.iad>, benj <be...@nobody.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Utter nonsense.
> > > > There was no Big Bang.
> > >
> > > A Timorous Whimper?
> >
> > I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
>
> This is how the world ends.
> This is how the world ends.
> Not with a hotdog
> but with a Wimpy.
>
> Do create another world later today: I'm trying to finish some software.

wat kind of software , a virus? a scrapper??

[Siri Cruise]

In article <5B06DB...@ix.netcom.com>,

A kind of parser.

[benj]

And the way you know today is steady state would be?
You are digging a hole deeper and deeper Faker.
Give it up.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <5B06DA...@ix.netcom.com>,

The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I never said there was a big bang..I'm using those wwords to describe in
> terms that you can understand.
>
>
> The universe went (transformed) from steady state to what you have today..

The steady state universe was less than atom's breadth wide.

[The Starmaker]

I don't get it...you obviously have health issues..

i wrote: "The universe went (transformed) *from* steady state *to* what you have today.."


"from"! Do you know the definition of from?

and "to".



from and to


Is 3rd grade level reading to high for you????

I can try for 2nd grade level but you're not going to get any milk and cookies...

[The Starmaker]

Now, if you understand the origin of gravity...you should understand Why things go on a straight line...forever.

[benj]

Don't try to change the subject, faker. It's not a matter of "from" and
"to" it is a matter of you drooling one about thing of which you have no
knowledge whatsoever. As a lib you think if you can imagine it, that
makes it reality. Just lay off your stash for a while, Faker.

The BB is supposed to be a SINGULARITY. You have no idea what that
fantasy is. I suggest you learn and then come back here.

[The Starmaker]

SINGULARITY???? Where do you get your info from...scientist? Where did they get their info from?? a catholic priest??

[benj]

Today in science they mostly get it the same place you get yours: Drug
induced fantasies. This is the Lib idea of what "science" is, right?

Faker get it through your pointy head that a lib CANNOT bullshit their
way through science. It's not possible. Eventually reality catches up
with you.

[The Starmaker]

you keep using "lib" in your statements...wat is dat?

which one is it? Let It Bleed???? Lithium-Ion Battery?



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[The Starmaker]

There seems to be soooo much misunderstanding among the 'scientific community' at it's highest levels...

for example..the big bang was not the creation of matter, but the transformation of matter..

matter was created BEFORE the big bang...

matter simply ran out of space and that is what caused the big bang as you know it.


i think it's going to take a thousand years for you Leaders to discover that.


It seems you people hit a wall or something...


you're unable to THINK (or allowed to think) before the big bang.


I'm astounded.

[The Starmaker]

the reason Why things travel in a straight line forever is because light
travels in a straight line.

And light created matter.

[benj]

Obvious ignorant blather. Hey Faker, you been taking lessons from Mitch
again? This is his style of drool.

[The Starmaker]

In other words...if you reverse the universe, it goes from this:

to this:

> > > >
> > > > * * * *
> > > >
> > > > * * * *
> > > >
> > > > * * * *
> > > >
> > > > * * * *
> > > >
> > > > * * * *

but maybe this is too far above your level..


this, this Origin of Gravity...


How about..what other 'applications' does gravity have besides hold all the planets together?


Something at your level...


and beside keeping your feet on the ground....


what other 'Aplications' does Gravity have here on your home ground..? Like for example..


one application of gravity is to provide you with food to eat like using it's gravity application to

drop an apple from a tree just at the right time that it is ...ripe.


Can you name another application?

[The Starmaker]

Double-A wrote:

> We had a gravity flow water supply!
>
> Double-A


Do you mean the Moon pulling the drop of water from a leaf to the ground to make rivers and oceans?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 5/19/2018 11:43 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
>
> math won't do..
>
> and it is very differcult to picture..
>
> before the big bang...
>
> stars in the universe were like..
> a dozen eggs.

[...]

Where did they come from?

[The Starmaker]

I already mentioned in my class
that before the big bang stars existed in
the steady state universe.

Do you mean where sis the stars come from in
the steady state universe?

I don't have a photograph of that...

I juat have a photograph of before and after the big bang...

i don't have a photograph of before the steady state universe...

i would have to look for it.

But certaintly Gravity existed before stars were born..


The Starmaker

[The Starmaker]

Gravity extends far beyond the universe. Far beyond before the big bang..

far beyond the steady stste universe...

and as close as the stem of an apple.

In other words, gravity is the machinery behind every celestial body and the invisible hand of Adam Smith.

[benj]

and the way you know all this is? Oh that's right, you've actually BEEN
beyond the universe and before the Big Bang (in your mind).

Faker you are STILL a moron. Lay off the stash for a while, OK?

[The Starmaker]

When an apple is ripe it falls from a tree...and the law of gravity was discovered.

I thought you girls knew this stuff.

[The Starmaker]

Once you understand that...that, gravity works in the smallest area of the ripeness of an apple..then
you will understand how gravity works on a small scale...quantium gravity.


But, I'm not here to explain the theory of quantium gravity to yous..

it's about...The Origin of Gravity.

[Whisper]

On 29/05/2018 4:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>
>

> Gravity extends far beyond the universe. Far beyond before the big bang..
>
> far beyond the steady stste universe...
>
> and as close as the stem of an apple.
>
> In other words, gravity is the machinery behind every celestial body and the invisible hand of Adam Smith.
>
>

You don't know what gravity is. If you do please tell us.



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[Jeff-Relf.Me]

> > gravity is the machinery behind the invisible hand of Adam Smith.

>
> You don't know what gravity is. If you do please tell us.

13.8 billion years ago, everything in the (subjectively) Known Universe
was in the same location; i.e. zero entropy and infinite density/exergy.
[ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.

Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us:
Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal,
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.

[The Starmaker]

The Laws of Gravity work not only on a universal large scale level, but on a quantium small scale level.

But yous didn't understand why the apple fell on Newton's head. You could not see the machinery behind a simple process of an apple getting ripe.

Yous didn't understand how gravity works with the tree to distribute energy.

For some reason...yous are also not suppose to think quantium gravity in your 'scientific groupthink community'.

Without Gravity...what would happen to the apple and all things that it?


Could you even understand the invisible hand of Adam Smith?


But, I keep forgetting yous people are not aloud to...think, unless you get permission from your leaders.

Right now, your leaders tell you everything comes from Nothing and that is as far as you're allowed to think.

When they move forward, you move forward. Until then, stay where you are. Sit. Roll over. Kneel. dats a good boy...

[benj]

Rolf, Big Bang is Bogus. Just keep repeating your theories, Rolf and who
knows? Eventually they may become correct?

[benj]

Nothing but babbling liberal drool. You are TRULY ignorant of any
science. And as a writer you ain't so hot either. It's spelled "allowed"
not "aloud". You are STILL a moron. Can't you get it through your thick
skull, Faker, that liberal bullshit simply does not fool ANYONE in science.

[Jeff-Relf.Me]

Ben Jacoby wrote:
> Big Bang is Bogus.

What created us then, Ben ?

In the Garden of Eden story, "God" is the father, the parent;
and Adam, his child, had to leave when he discovered sex.

Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall.
Kids are the domain of the poor, uneducated and unfortunate.

[Thomas Heger]

Am 24.05.2018 um 07:55 schrieb benj:
..

>>
>>
>> from order to disorder..
>
> Utter nonsense.
> There was no Big Bang.

I'm also an opponent of 'big-bang theory'.

I have an entirely different concept. The main idea is, that time is a
local measure and has kind of 'axis'.

This axis could tilt and if so, the tilted axis would take an entire
universe with it.

This would look like a big bang from the 'other side'. But the bang is
'relative' and depending on the axis of time.

That 'entire' universe is not really universal, but also relative.

'Big bang' is similar to a black hole, but seen from the other side.

Black holes - btw- are also 'relative' and kind of optical illusion,
too, (like big bang).

If you are interested, here is the long version:

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

It is mainly based on the version of relativity from Hermann Minkowski
and a mathematical construct called 'Pauli algebra' with complex for
vectors.


TH

[benj]

On 5/29/2018 1:28 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Ben Jacoby wrote:
>> Big Bang is Bogus.
>
> What created us then, Ben ?

And the reason you think there must be a "creation" or a
"beginning" is? You are just sure that the universe MUST work the way
you tell it to. It doesn't have to.

> In the Garden of Eden story, "God" is the father, the parent;
> and Adam, his child, had to leave when he discovered sex.

The Story dear boy, is an allegory representing metaphysics WAY
beyond your understanding. You can't even handle physics fer crissake!

> Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall.
> Kids are the domain of the poor, uneducated and unfortunate.

All human acts of creation are in imitation of the creative acts of
"God, the Father". I am a creative person in a GREAT number of ways.
You? Well. let's just say that porn and a rubber pussy never created
life no matter what all those evolootionists who infest your neck of the
woods tell you.

[The Starmaker]

Tell us, what 'value' is there - for you to have to -- *perpetually* insult the intelligence of others?

[benj]

The "value" dear faker is for us to goad you into an understanding of
your own ignorance. If you constantly live in a fantasy world, one day
reality will bite you on the ass. We love ya, man. We don't want to see
that. As Dirty Harry says, a man just has to know his own limitations!

You get it yet?

[The Starmaker]

"us"???? is that like a me, myself and i???

> your own ignorance. If you constantly live in a fantasy world, one day
> reality will bite you on the ass. We love ya, man. We don't want to see

"We"??? Is there like a lot of voices in your head that sound like a room filled with people? Who is this...weeeeeeeee?

"Us", "We"? Who are all these people you are refering to???? Only cowards use words like us and we...


maybe you didn't see the word..."you".


'What 'value' is there - for you to have to -- *Perpetually* insult the intelligence of others?'

> that. As Dirty Harry says, a man just has to know his own limitations!
>
> You get it yet?

My limitations doesn't allow me the ability to... get it yet.



Get it?


Now, where was I before this stupid kid in class interupted me...

on yes, The Origin of Gravity...

[The Starmaker]

pora...@gmail.com wrote:

> ====================
> ripples of an apple'' ?!!
>
> why do you stick here an apple
> what is the connection between
> ripples
> and curved motion ??


I wrote "ripeness", not 'ripples'. (and no mentioned of curve motion) (why do others see words that are not there????)


You can tell if an apple is ripe when it falls from a tree.


When the apple hit Newtons head, he mistakenly confused universal gravity with quantium gravity.

It is quantium gravity that is the force of nature to tell it when an apple is ripe.

It needs to fall at the ripe time...


It appears to me that nobody understands the theory of guantium gravity...


or how it works.


It's really simple...and so many people in the 'scientific community' seem to be mistaken about it...


When an apple falls from a tree at the very moment that it is ripe has nothing to do with the attraction of the stars and planets...

you need to take a closer look at the apple.

Without Gravity checking to see when the apple is ripe, it will get ...rotten.

I mean, ...I thought you girls knew this stuff? You don't actually believe I make all this stuff, do you????


I mean, it's not my fault that the proffesors in your colleges are...stupid.

[benj]

<sigh>
PLonk.

[The Starmaker]

In other words... the particles on a small scale 'obey' the laws of gravity.

One must remember that a particle inside an apple views an apple the size of the earth, relativity speaking.

[The Starmaker]

benj wrote:
>
> On 5/31/2018 1:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > sam.w...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Guv = (8 pi G / c^4) Tuv
> >
> >
> >
> > S0...you come back her and your first order of business is to hijack other people's Subject headings topics? Not off to a good start are you??
> >
> > starting with the wrong foot forward...
> >
> >
> > i don't expect much better from you...
> >
> Sorry Faker, but since you are a lib, we know that any math is WAY
> beyond your understanding let alone the science it represents. But Sam
> is posting in a science group for people who understand science not for
> people who write science fiction and think they can fool people into
> thinking they understand science. Please keep your "Deep thoughts" to
> yourself.


Can you explain to me your use of the word...'plonk' means?

[benj]

Sure. It's an internet term of the highest praise for people posting
their "deep thoughts". It means your ideas created some action out there.

[benj]

On 5/30/2018 4:13 AM, The Starmaker wrote:

So tell us faker, what value is there in you "Perpetually" posting the
most ignorant of science ideas? The way to stop my "observations" would
be for you to learn some actual science facts and post them instead.
Even though Wormley regularly gets his ass handed to him here, he STILL
knows more science in his little finger than you do in your whole body!
And bingo, I no longer have to point out your lack of intelligence! (For
me to "Insult your intelligence" implies that there would have to be
some intelligence there for me to insult, right?)

[Whisper]

You forgot the 'not' at the end.

[The Starmaker]

Oh, that's real deep..

you're like those talking animals...ants.


<sigh>
PLonk.


that's ant talk, isn't it.


Tell me, do ants do Science?

[The Starmaker]

It appears that some still don't understand
The Origin of Gravity...

maybe I need to explain it in a
different way...

imagine a black hole..

you got everything
going in it..

stars, planets, rocks..

then..you stand

at the other end of
the black hole

and watch everything
that went in.. come out.


Besides light and matter
coming through...

so does time and gravity.


In other words...

stars originated
before the big bang..

matter originated
before the big bang..

time originated
before the big bang..

and Gravity originated
before the big bang.


Before the big bang..
Time was eternal..

now it is divided into ...seconds.

stars didn't die before the big bang..

matter was created moments before the big bang

and Gravity ...


well..

this might be too complicated fo yous...

(some of you cannot even THINK a before the big bang, there's no hope for yous)


I mean, really...how can i explain
The Origin of Gravity
if yous cannot even get pass before the big bang????


I understand...you're waiting for the Headline: "Scientist say Before The Big Bang is Not What They Thought."

[The Starmaker]

Of course the ants look at us and wonder what do the sounds we makes means...


has anybody bothered to decode ant language? They talk to each other everyday...

[The Starmaker]

anybody speak ant here?

[The Starmaker]

Now, things travel a straight line because of the line connecting them..

because of the force that connects with the line...


so...a body that continues in motion with a constant velocity in a straight line...


the line
connecting
a body
in motion
is called...

Gravity.

In other words...

the gravity from before the big bang

is directing

a body
that is
traveling
a straight line.


In simplier terms that you can understand...

it pushes a body out..and it goes in a straight line..

because it is still connected.


Like the mother pushes the baby out but the baby remains connected to the mother...

and the baby gets up and walks a straight line.


Do you teach a baby to walk ...sideways???



come on, this is unmathematical..you don't need these fuckin science business to make heads or tails out of it...

[benj]

It is also babbling drool worse than Archie or Bert.
If space is curved then there are no straight lines just like there is
no future.

Faker you are STILL A moron.

[The Starmaker]

The operative word is..."constant velocity"

so...a body that continues in motion with a 'constant velocity' in a straight line...

is inglish your thoird language????

[benj]

Faker you need to learn the science you found so impossible to get a
passing grade in in school. There is nothing about "constant velocity
that makes a straight line. Trying to explain your 'deep thoughts' to
you is like trying to explain quantum mechanics to my dog. Do you know
the difference between a locus of x and what in math is called the
derivative of x? Of course you don't. Actual knowledge is not part of
your deep thoughts.

Obviously you are STILL a moron. How about you learn some actual
knowledge FIRST and then post your ideas to the world.

[The Starmaker]

'constant velocity' means it *does not* change from a straight line to a curve. It's...straight.


is engulish your forth language????

[benj]

Faker how can you be so ignorant of math and science and still think you
can fool people into thinking you know something?

Incredible!

[The Starmaker]

okay, i'll try to make you feel comfortable...

Tu casa es me casa.

Tu habla ingles?

don't drink the water..

no toma la agua

i no need no stinky badge..

[The Starmaker]

I mean, come on already...lets be real, not imaginary ..you never said here the universe was curved.

[The Starmaker]

Do you know what 'eternal time' feels like? Before the big bang you had 'eternal time'...

it feels like
one second taking a billion years to pass.


Stare at a clock for 24 hours continously and you may get the idea...


Now gravity before and after the big bang is like
shoving a pizza through a black hole...


you still got some pineapple and pepperonni on the pizza bit it's a little ...strecthed.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Time does seem to go slower when you are constantly observing it.

[The Starmaker]

> you still got some pineapple and pepperonni on the pizza but it's a little ...strecthed.



I noticed that most people don't know...(especially those in the scientific community which stuns me...)

that...before the big bang
mass and energy were two separate entities.

Mass is a product of energy.

After the big bang, they both became ...one.


on a different note, did you know the newsreader I use to post does not contain a FollowUp-to feature or devise?

[Klaus Meinhard]

> I noticed that most people don't know...(especially those in the scientific community which stuns me...)
>
> that...before the big bang
> mass and energy were two separate entities.
>
> Mass is a product of energy.
>
> After the big bang, they both became ...one.

The master of the three dots strikes again!

... is probably a placeholder for the vacuum in your forebrain?


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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Klaus Meinhard

[The Starmaker]

In history, when the russians invaded germany, they raped all the
women...

[Klaus Meinhard]

Hallo The Starmaker,

> In history, when the russians invaded germany, they raped all the> women...

Let's call youi Dotty.