Hey, Ryk, what the hell is wrong with Baen's web site?

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_, which isn't available
through Amazon, and I get this:

"If you haven't logged into Baen Ebooks over the past four months
(August 2015 and beyond), you will need to retrieve a new password
via the Forgot your password box at the bottom of the page."

When I try to do a password reset, I get an error that I need to put
in my email address _in the log in box above_, *and* *the* *old*
*password*, which doesn't work.

Their tech support email address hasn't answered in two days.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

OK, never mind that. It's still messed up, with the same error, but I
did manage to get the password reset somehow, despite the error.

[Scott Lurndal]

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_, which isn't available
>through Amazon, and I get this:
>
>"If you haven't logged into Baen Ebooks over the past four months
>(August 2015 and beyond), you will need to retrieve a new password
>via the Forgot your password box at the bottom of the page."
>
>When I try to do a password reset, I get an error that I need to put
>in my email address _in the log in box above_, *and* *the* *old*
>*password*, which doesn't work.
>
>Their tech support email address hasn't answered in two days.
>

Baen has a usenet server of its own (reflecting the on-line bar). They're
pretty responsive there. I believe support is handled by principled technologies
or something similar.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsA64C6D7A413...@69.16.179.42:

> OK, never mind that. It's still messed up, with the same error,
> but I did manage to get the password reset somehow, despite the
> error.
>

Never mind the never mind. Turns out it was a manual reset by tech
support (after two days), and the email with the link to change it
arrived before the reply.

Their entire password reset system is broken.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <rW7kz.5952$%J4....@fx35.iad>,

Heh. How happy I am that Baen and I ceased communicating a
couple of decades ago.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
news:rW7kz.5952$%J4....@fx35.iad:

I'll keep that in the mind in the future.

> I believe support is
> handled by principled technologies or something similar.
>

That's where the email address is, anyway.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 7/21/16 1:43 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_,

Castaway Odyssey, I presume you mean! :)

As for your question, I would not have a clue. I don't have any
knowledge of anything about how the system works, and all I could do is
the same thing you could do -- go on the Bar and ask someone.

Sounds like it got resolved somehow, though, yes?




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/^\
;;;
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http://seawasp.livejournal.com

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:nmrsmd$r1v$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 7/21/16 1:43 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_,
>
> Castaway Odyssey, I presume you mean! :)

Er, yeah.

>
> As for your question, I would not have a clue. I don't have
> any
> knowledge of anything about how the system works, and all I
> could do is the same thing you could do -- go on the Bar and ask
> someone.
>
> Sounds like it got resolved somehow, though, yes?
>

Since I am currently tranferring it to my reader, it would appear so.

[Scott Lurndal]

Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis khan...

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference nor mine
would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying Communist
and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.

[Scott Lurndal]

Toni's table.

I mainly follow binjali and snerkers, but the top-posting and HTML
makes them all difficult to read via a newsreader.

[synthi...@yahoo.com]

It was some years ago that they reformed it, and the new thing, which I don't recall, seemed kinda "big brother" to me, so I never got motivated to re-apply.

Some folks still use captcha, I don't mind spending a few seconds with that.


Nils K. Hammer

[Ahasuerus]

On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 9:25:37 PM UTC-4, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 7/21/16 1:43 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> > I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_,
>

> Castaway Odyssey, I presume you mean! :) [snip]

At this point we can neither confirm nor deny that we have contracted
Kevin J. Anderson to write a sequel to this classic Pohl series.

[Michael R N Dolbear]

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote

DJH >> Heh. How happy I am that Baen and I ceased communicating a
>> couple of decades ago.

SL> Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis khan...

> Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference nor mine
would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying Communist
and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.

Note Eric Flint was a literal card-carrying /Trotskyist/ (Socialist Workers
Party) so could say he was not now and had never been a member or supporter
of the CPUSA.


--
Mike D

[Ahasuerus]

As I wrote 364 days ago:

"The original Trotskyists were members of Trotsky's faction within
the Soviet Communist Party, one of the major factions in 1919-1921.
However, they lost control of the Party apparatus in March 1921,
which put them at a disadvantage during the struggle to succeed
Lenin. Trotskyists and various allied factions lost numerous skirmishes
in 1923-1927 and were expelled from the Party in late 1927-early 1928.
After a couple of years in exile, the top Trotskyist leaders submitted
to Stalin and denounced Trotsky, only to be executed in 1936-1938.
In the meantime, Trotsky was expelled from the USSR in February 1929.
While in exile, Trotsky was able to build a small movement in Europe
and America, notably in NYC and Minneapolis. BTW, Steve Brust's
parents, Bill and Jean Brust, were leading Minneapolis-based
Trotskyists.

What this means is that those who describe themselves as Trotskyists
typically think that Communism was fine in 1917-1921 while Trotsky and
his friends were in power, but became increasingly distorted in the 1920s
and completely perverted in the 1930s. They are opposed to Stalin's
Great Russian nationalism and antisemitism, his use of terror against
other Communists and what they describe as "bureaucratization" of the
Soviet society. With the Soviet collapse and general abandonment of the
Stalinist model, Trotskyism has made something of a comeback in certain
European countries.

[Joe Bernstein]

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 3:36:06 PM UTC-7, Ahasuerus wrote:

> With the Soviet collapse and general abandonment of the
> Stalinist model, Trotskyism has made something of a comeback in certain
> European countries.

Not just European. *Non*-ob-sfnally, the member of the city council of
Seattle who currently represents my supposed neighbourhood is a Trot.

-- JLB

(To unpack: I'm not able to change my voter registration, because I'm
homeless, so even though I've pretty much relocated outside that
district, she's still my city council member.)

[Quadibloc]

In any event, I thought Baen Books published normal SF, and it was the other
guys who mostly published mil-sf with a conservative outlook.

John Savard

[hamis...@gmail.com]

You might want to actually read some books then.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Baen's the publisher by FAR most well known for the mil-sf conservative
material. John Ringo, David Weber, Larry Correia, etc. are all Baen authors.

I'm an outlier, as is Eric.

[J. Clarke]

In article <1e7d1b87-0304-4d34...@googlegroups.com>,
jsa...@ecn.ab.ca says...

How do you categorize Honor Harrington?

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <MPG.31fd406df...@news.eternal-september.org>,

My son categorizes HH as "spaceship porn."

[John Dallman]

In article <oAru7...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J

Heydt) wrote:

> >How do you categorize Honor Harrington?
> My son categorizes HH as "spaceship porn."

The first few books could be read as naval history satire, and were a lot
of fun that way, although some of the characters were excruciatingly
dense. However, then Weber started taking himself too seriously, and the
fun stopped.

John

[J. Clarke]

In article <memo.2016072...@jgd.cix.co.uk>, j...@cix.co.uk
says...

I think he's reached his limits and doesn't know what to do. As long as
he could mine history he was OK, but he doesn't have a historical
precedent in which an immense civilization with old but not primitive
technology deals with a much smaller but somewhat more advanced
civilization that doesn't result in the smaller one getting burned to
the ground and nuked for its trouble.

And he tried to do it on two scales--Mantihaven vs the Sollies and Mesa
vs Mantihaven. But he seems to have gotten as far as Fun with Victor
and Anton and hit a wall.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <MPG.31fd406df...@news.eternal-september.org>,
J. Clarke <j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote:

She was in a polyamourous marriage last time I checked.
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Dimensional Traveler]

I categorize at as mil-sf. Like many mil-sf series it started out
loosely based on history, the stories are about people fighting a war or
shooting conflict.

--
Running the rec.arts.TV Channels Watched Survey for Summer 2016

[Dimensional Traveler]

That may be why he's opened the Honorverse up to other writers. He's
still retaining control and coordinating story lines, but he didn't come
up with the, as you put it, 'Fun with Victor and Anton' story thread,
for ex.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <memo.2016072...@jgd.cix.co.uk>,

Well, I may have come to reading HH by the wrong path. My
husband read a lot of the books, and would tell me all the funny
parts. So when I started reading them myself, I was expecting
funny parts from start to finish, and was disappointed.

[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

On 23 Jul 2016 14:58:24 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan

How is that relevant?




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[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

I knew Quaddy's grasp of reality was weak, but I thought he at least
had some slight familiarity with SF publishing. Apparently I was too
generous.

[John Dallman]

In article <oArzz...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J

Heydt) wrote:

> Well, I may have come to reading HH by the wrong path. My
> husband read a lot of the books, and would tell me all the funny
> parts. So when I started reading them myself, I was expecting
> funny parts from start to finish, and was disappointed.

Well, that would be disappointing with almost anything. The naval history
satire does require some knowledge of the history to appreciate. Weber
does have that knowledge, but not in as much depth as he thinks he does.

John

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <memo.2016072...@jgd.cix.co.uk>,
John Dallman <j...@cix.co.uk> wrote:

It also, at least on the part of the reader, requires some
*interest* in naval history.

Now, if Weber were to write some calques on the naval history of
World War II, I might be tempted to take a look.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:51:32 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote
in<news:MPG.31fd406df...@news.eternal-september.org>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> How do you categorize Honor Harrington?

It started out as mil-sf and still has plenty of mil-sf
elements, but it’s evolved into astropolitical sf.

Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Saturday, 23 July 2016 17:58:23 UTC+1, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2016 14:58:24 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
> <tednolan>) wrote:
>
> >In article <MPG.31fd406df...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >J. Clarke <j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>In article <1e7d1b87-0304-4d34...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>jsa...@ecn.ab.ca says...
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 4:19:34 PM UTC-6, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
> >>> > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote
> >>>
> >>> > DJH >> Heh. How happy I am that Baen and I ceased communicating a
> >>> > >> couple of decades ago.
> >>>
> >>> > SL> Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis khan...
> >>>
> >>> > > Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference nor mine
> >>> > would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying Communist
> >>> > and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.
> >>>
> >>> > Note Eric Flint was a literal card-carrying /Trotskyist/ (Socialist
> >>Workers
> >>> > Party) so could say he was not now and had never been a member or supporter
> >>> > of the CPUSA.
> >>>
> >>> In any event, I thought Baen Books published normal SF, and it was the other
> >>> guys who mostly published mil-sf with a conservative outlook.
> >>
> >>How do you categorize Honor Harrington?
> >
> >She was in a polyamourous marriage last time I checked.
>
> How is that relevant?

Well, it probably freaks out conservatives.
Except for conservative Mormons and Muslims
and tribal Africans and so forth.

Although I suppose that most conservatively
inclined people also haven't ever heard about
any of this.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Saturday, 23 July 2016 15:57:30 UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <memo.2016072...@jgd.cix.co.uk>, j...@cix.co.uk
> says...
> >
> > In article <oAru7...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> > Heydt) wrote:
> >
> > > >How do you categorize Honor Harrington?
> > > My son categorizes HH as "spaceship porn."
> >
> > The first few books could be read as naval history satire, and were a lot
> > of fun that way, although some of the characters were excruciatingly
> > dense. However, then Weber started taking himself too seriously, and the
> > fun stopped.
>
> I think he's reached his limits and doesn't know what to do. As long as
> he could mine history he was OK, but he doesn't have a historical
> precedent in which an immense civilization with old but not primitive
> technology deals with a much smaller but somewhat more advanced
> civilization that doesn't result in the smaller one getting burned to

> the ground and nuked for its trouble.the U.S. as w

>
> And he tried to do it on two scales--Mantihaven vs the Sollies and Mesa
> vs Mantihaven. But he seems to have gotten as far as Fun with Victor
> and Anton and hit a wall.

If a suggestion is required for asymmetric conflict,
he could borrow from Marvel Comics, where plucky little
Wakanda usually manages to drive off interventions from
the U.S. as well as elsewhere. Well, until Prince Namor
of Atlantis acquired the powers of Dark Phoenix.

Latveria and Doomstadt might also count, depending
on whethe the small state are supposed to be good guys
or bad guys, but I think it's implied that the U.S.
doesn't want to destabilise comicbook Europe by
removing the Latverian threat.

As an aside, I think the Latverian people were
presented as rejecting attempts to install or impose
an alternative regime, i.e. not Doctor Doom, long
before the U.S. encountered a similar reaction
in Iraq. So we may know which comics were too
intellectual for young George W. Bush.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <rg87pbdfpi94gnrc3...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,

It's not very conservative

[Greg Goss]

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_, which isn't available
>through Amazon, and I get this:
>
>"If you haven't logged into Baen Ebooks over the past four months
>(August 2015 and beyond), you will need to retrieve a new password
>via the Forgot your password box at the bottom of the page."
>
>When I try to do a password reset, I get an error that I need to put
>in my email address _in the log in box above_, *and* *the* *old*
>*password*, which doesn't work.
>
>Their tech support email address hasn't answered in two days.

Hmmm. I log in only occasionally. It's probably been more than four
months, but my old password still works.
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.

[Greg Goss]

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

>On 7/22/16 8:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>>>> Baen has a usenet server of its own (reflecting the on-line bar). They're
>>>> pretty responsive there. I believe support is handled by principled technologies
>>>> or something similar.

>> Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis khan...
>
> Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference nor mine
>would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying Communist
>and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.

Scott says that they have a Usenet SERVER. Does that mean that they
have custom groups? Can we get to them from Individual.net? A groups
list refresh followed by a search for Baen sees nothing.

[Greg Goss]

He had a story arc plotted out, but someone (Flint?) talked him into
redefining the bad guys and the new story arc is a quarter century
shorter. With the overall arc plotted out, there shouldn't be a wall
there.

[Greg Goss]

Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:

>>>How do you categorize Honor Harrington?
>>
>>She was in a polyamourous marriage last time I checked.
>
>How is that relevant?

My interpretation was that he was taking an over-literal response to
the question -- categorizing Honor Harrington, rather than
categorizing the series of books.

But after reading Robert's reply, that's probably not it.

Mormons are extremely conservative, but have a tradition (no longer
permitted in the mainline structure) of one-sided polyamory.

[Greg Goss]

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

>On 7/21/16 1:43 PM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> I tried to buy the eARC for _Gateway Oddyssey_,
>

> Castaway Odyssey, I presume you mean! :)
>
> As for your question, I would not have a clue. I don't have any
>knowledge of anything about how the system works, and all I could do is
>the same thing you could do -- go on the Bar and ask someone.
>
> Sounds like it got resolved somehow, though, yes?

I just went through the "new stuff" page on the way to my personal
page and noticed it. So I went back again, and Baen has both the eARC
and the first half of the final book up on their website.

[Greg Goss]

Ah. Since I generally don't "attach" posts to authors in my head, I
didn't connect this subthread to Terry's battles with the Baen
password system.

[Greg Goss]

synthi...@yahoo.com wrote:

>It was some years ago that they reformed it, and the new thing, which I don't recall, seemed kinda "big brother" to me, so I never got motivated to re-apply.

It must have been a fair number of years. I changed my algorithm for
password generation in 2009 or so and Baen responds to the older
algorithm.

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

You can't get them from individual or anywhere else, you'll have to
plumb yourself in to nntp://bar.baen.com - check instructions at
http://bar.baen.com/bar-nntp.html , but you'll need to set up a Bar
account first if you don't have one at
http://bar.baen.com/index.php?t=pre_reg&

Cheers - Jaimie
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productivity, motivation and achievement is stored.
-- http://thedoghousediaries.com/3474

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <dviapf...@mid.individual.net>,

The word you want is polygyny.

[J. Clarke]

In article <dvi80i...@mid.individual.net>, t...@loft.tnolan.com
says...

So you're saying that the Apostolic United Brethren, the Fundamentalist
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and ISIS are all flaming
hotbeds of liberalism?

[David Johnston]

As I recall she's in a polygamous marriage, not a polyamorous one.
Neither she nor their husband are having sex with his first wife. And
it kind of is conservative when you consider that the Graysons are
Mormons IN SPACE.

[Don Bruder]

In article <dvia9d...@mid.individual.net>,

An NNTP (usenet) server can, with trivial ease, be configured to have
"private" groups that it doesn't propagate outside itself - even if it
also carries the traditionally "public" groups like RASW and does
propagate those. The whole point of a private group is for it to be...
well... PRIVATE! Anyone setting up a private group on a server probably
doesn't intend for it to be read elsewhere, so it's highly unlikely that
you can pull the Baen groups from anywhere other than a direct
connection to the Baen server. Which, itself, may well be an impossible
task, since it's also trivial to configure a server so that it ignores
connection requests from any address not on an "allow connections
from..." list. Don't know if it's possible for "Joe Average" to connect
to the Baen server at all - It's also pretty simple to set things up so
that the NNTP server only accepts connections from an internal "make
usenet look like it's a web page" machine, thus restricting access to
whatever interface the web server offers. Such a setup would mean that
to anything other than the web interface machine, or addresses (if there
are any) on the "allow connections from..." list, there's effectively no
server there to connect to.

All of which adds up to the answer to your question being "Almost
certainly not".

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[Greg Goss]

Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:

>In article <dvia9d...@mid.individual.net>,
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 7/22/16 8:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> >>> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Baen has a usenet server of its own (reflecting the on-line bar).

>> Scott says that they have a Usenet SERVER. Does that mean that they
>> have custom groups? Can we get to them from Individual.net? A groups
>> list refresh followed by a search for Baen sees nothing.
>

>propagate those. The whole point of a private group is for it to be...
>well... PRIVATE! Anyone setting up a private group on a server probably
>doesn't intend for it to be read elsewhere, so it's highly unlikely that
>you can pull the Baen groups from anywhere other than a direct
>connection to the Baen server. Which, itself, may well be an impossible
>task, since it's also trivial to configure a server so that it ignores
>connection requests from any address not on an "allow connections
>from..." list. Don't know if it's possible for "Joe Average" to connect
>to the Baen server at all

Jaimie pointed to instructions to do just that. My rather old version
of Agent software can only pull from one server, but it's trivial to
set up a separate incarnation of the software to pull from a second
server. But I haven't had the energy to chase down his advice.

Accessing Baen's Bar never worked for me as a web service -- it might
work better as a Usenet service if they're doing what I interpret as
being described here correctly.

>All of which adds up to the answer to your question being "Almost
>certainly not".

Not the way I was asking, but perhaps something close.

[Robert Woodward]

In article <dviaic...@mid.individual.net>,

IIRC, the Mesa Alignment was always there in Weber's background notes.
What Flint did was introduce them sooner then Weber had originally
planned (where they would become the next generation's problem, because
Honor was originally slated to be killed in the big battle at the end of
_At All Costs_).

[Greg Goss]

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

>>Scott says that they have a Usenet SERVER. Does that mean that they
>>have custom groups? Can we get to them from Individual.net? A groups
>>list refresh followed by a search for Baen sees nothing.
>
>You can't get them from individual or anywhere else, you'll have to
>plumb yourself in to nntp://bar.baen.com - check instructions at
>http://bar.baen.com/bar-nntp.html , but you'll need to set up a Bar
>account first if you don't have one at
>http://bar.baen.com/index.php?t=pre_reg&

OK, that worked. I now have sixty groups to dig through.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in
news:nmvrh3$h91$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 7/23/16 8:49 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 4:19:34 PM UTC-6, Michael R N
>> Dolbear wrote:
>>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote
>>
>>> DJH >> Heh. How happy I am that Baen and I ceased
>>> communicating a
>>>>> couple of decades ago.
>>

>>> SL> Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis

>>> khan...
>>
>>>> Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference
>>>> nor mine
>>> would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying
>>> Communist and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.
>>

>>> Note Eric Flint was a literal card-carrying /Trotskyist/
>>> (Socialist Workers Party) so could say he was not now and had
>>> never been a member or supporter of the CPUSA.
>>
>> In any event, I thought Baen Books published normal SF, and it
>> was the other guys who mostly published mil-sf with a
>> conservative outlook.
>
>

> Baen's the publisher by FAR most well known for the mil-sf
> conservative
> material. John Ringo, David Weber, Larry Correia, etc. are all
> Baen authors.
>
> I'm an outlier, as is Eric.
>
I believe their primary criteria for what to publish is actually
"stuff we think we can sell." In that, they are much like all other
publishers.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

j...@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) wrote in
news:memo.2016072...@jgd.cix.co.uk:

> In article <oAru7...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com
> (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
>> >How do you categorize Honor Harrington?
>> My son categorizes HH as "spaceship porn."
>
> The first few books could be read as naval history satire, and
> were a lot of fun that way, although some of the characters were
> excruciatingly dense. However, then Weber started taking himself
> too seriously, and the fun stopped.
>

And he got too popular to edit, and his books became 400,000 stream
of consciousness infodumps.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

"J. Clarke" <j.clark...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:MPG.31fddafe3...@news.eternal-september.org:

Given how the mormons were driven, literally at gunpoint, out into
the desert, I think we can safely assume they're not mainstream
conservates.

Plus, of course, it's not a binary equation, even if you are to
fucking stupid to grasp any other possibilities.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

David Johnston <Davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:nn1093$bq6$1...@dont-email.me:

I don't think anyone was referring to what is and isn't
conservative _in the books_.

[David Johnston]

On 7/23/2016 8:57 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <memo.2016072...@jgd.cix.co.uk>, j...@cix.co.uk
> says...
>>

>> In article <oAru7...@kithrup.com>, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>

>>>> How do you categorize Honor Harrington?

>>> My son categorizes HH as "spaceship porn."
>>
>> The first few books could be read as naval history satire, and were a lot
>> of fun that way, although some of the characters were excruciatingly
>> dense. However, then Weber started taking himself too seriously, and the
>> fun stopped.
>

> I think he's reached his limits and doesn't know what to do. As long as
> he could mine history he was OK, but he doesn't have a historical
> precedent in which an immense civilization with old but not primitive
> technology deals with a much smaller but somewhat more advanced
> civilization that doesn't result in the smaller one getting burned to
> the ground and nuked for its trouble.

Greece versus Persia. Or Macedon versus Persia.

[Mark Bestley]

Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:

> Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <dvia9d...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 7/22/16 8:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> >>> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>> Baen has a usenet server of its own (reflecting the on-line bar).
>
> >> Scott says that they have a Usenet SERVER. Does that mean that they
> >> have custom groups? Can we get to them from Individual.net? A groups
> >> list refresh followed by a search for Baen sees nothing.
> >
> >propagate those. The whole point of a private group is for it to be...
> >well... PRIVATE! Anyone setting up a private group on a server probably
> >doesn't intend for it to be read elsewhere, so it's highly unlikely that
> >you can pull the Baen groups from anywhere other than a direct
> >connection to the Baen server. Which, itself, may well be an impossible
> >task, since it's also trivial to configure a server so that it ignores
> >connection requests from any address not on an "allow connections
> >from..." list. Don't know if it's possible for "Joe Average" to connect
> >to the Baen server at all
>
> Jaimie pointed to instructions to do just that. My rather old version
> of Agent software can only pull from one server, but it's trivial to
> set up a separate incarnation of the software to pull from a second
> server. But I haven't had the energy to chase down his advice.
>

Reading it can be done like that but it is a non standard setup and
writing only works if your agent talks it directly the authetication
does not pass through other servers. (I forget the details but during
testing I had this set up and my posts did not appear correctly)

> Accessing Baen's Bar never worked for me as a web service -- it might
> work better as a Usenet service if they're doing what I interpret as
> being described here correctly.
>
> >All of which adds up to the answer to your question being "Almost
> >certainly not".
>
> Not the way I was asking, but perhaps something close.


--

Mark

[mcdow...@sky.com]

On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 6:08:18 AM UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
(trimmed)

> >
> Given how the mormons were driven, literally at gunpoint, out into
> the desert, I think we can safely assume they're not mainstream
> conservates.
>
> Plus, of course, it's not a binary equation, even if you are to
> fucking stupid to grasp any other possibilities.
>
> --
> Terry Austin
>
> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
> -- David Bilek
>
> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

It's interesting how often human beings divide the world into us and them - is this some accident of our history or an efficient strategy under limited cognitive resources? Perhaps it is always useful to work out whether you would be helped or harmed if entity X acquired more resources. I note that mature experienced politicians who have no doubt signed up to many statements of non-discrimination are distinguished from their less enlightened predecessors only in that they maintain their enemies list in a spreadsheet, instead of a card index.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <33ecdf76-79cf-4d47...@googlegroups.com>,

It's been called "the amity-enmity complex," and may be summed up
in what I'm told is an Arabic proverb: "I against my brother, my
brother and I against my cousin, my brother, my cousin and I
against the whole world."

L. Sprague de Camp put it down to our long history as
hunter-gatherers who *had* to move into new territory when the
old was depleted of food. The larger the troop, the quicker the
territory would be depleted, and the oftener they'd have to move.
Given a large enough troop, they would not have been able to get
to a new territory big enough to feed them all, even if they
moved every day.

At this point a species that quarrels with its cousins and breaks
up the troop into two or more parts, each going its separate way,
becomes very adaptive for staying alive in the Miocene drought.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

mcdow...@sky.com wrote in
news:33ecdf76-79cf-4d47...@googlegroups.com:

> On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 6:08:18 AM UTC+1, Gutless Umbrella
> Carrying Sissy wrote: (trimmed)
>> >
>> Given how the mormons were driven, literally at gunpoint, out
>> into the desert, I think we can safely assume they're not
>> mainstream conservates.
>>
>> Plus, of course, it's not a binary equation, even if you are to
>> fucking stupid to grasp any other possibilities.
>>
>> --
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>> -- David Bilek
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>
> It's interesting how often human beings divide the world into us
> and them - is this some accident of our history or an efficient
> strategy under limited cognitive resources?

I believe that effect comes from the fundamental conflict between
the individual will to survive, and the evolutionary pressure to
propagate the genetic line. Whether that particular tendency is the
result of the two being balanced, or out of balance, is left as an
excercise in futility for the reader.

> Perhaps it is always
> useful to work out whether you would be helped or harmed if
> entity X acquired more resources. I note that mature experienced
> politicians who have no doubt signed up to many statements of
> non-discrimination are distinguished from their less enlightened
> predecessors only in that they maintain their enemies list in a
> spreadsheet, instead of a card index.

Fits with my theory that the only way to tell liberals and
conservatives apart is with a score card.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:30:13 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt
<djh...@kithrup.com> wrote
in<news:oAu6A...@kithrup.com> in rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> It's been called "the amity-enmity complex," and may be
> summed up in what I'm told is an Arabic proverb: "I
> against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin,
> my brother, my cousin and I against the whole world."

But also ‘At the narrow passage there is no brother and no
friend’ -- used by Richard C. Meredith for the first two
titles of his Timeliner trilogy (_At the Narrow Passage_
and _No Brother, No Friend_). At any rate it is commonly
described as an Arab or Bedouin proverb.

[...]

Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

[mcdow...@sky.com]

That is a good explanation of splitting e.g. as amusingly described by Garrison Keillor in the endlessly splitting denominations of some forms of fundamentalist protestantism. It is less good for the various conflicts that can be adequately summarised as two different coalitions against each other. I think the most complex situation I claim to have fitted this to is the Syrian conflict, where I managed to convince myself that each of many different local conflicts were coalition A vs coalition B even though two groups might be in the same coalition in one location but in opposing coalitions in another location.

[David DeLaney]

On 2016-07-25, mcdow...@sky.com <mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
> I think the most complex situation I claim to have fitted this to is the
Syrian conflict, where I managed to convince myself that each of many
different local conflicts were coalition A vs coalition B even though two
groups might be in the same coalition in one location but in opposing
coalitions in another location.

... "People's Front of Judea?"

Dave, iraqis domunt eus
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[Don Kuenz]

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:43:43 -0600, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/22/16 8:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Baen has a usenet server of its own (reflecting the on-line bar). They're
>>>>>> pretty responsive there. I believe support is handled by principled technologies
>>>>>> or something similar.
>>
>>>> Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis khan...
>>>
>>> Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference nor mine
>>>would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying Communist
>>>and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.
>>
>>Scott says that they have a Usenet SERVER. Does that mean that they
>>have custom groups? Can we get to them from Individual.net? A groups
>>list refresh followed by a search for Baen sees nothing.
>
> You can't get them from individual or anywhere else, you'll have to
> plumb yourself in to nntp://bar.baen.com - check instructions at
> http://bar.baen.com/bar-nntp.html , but you'll need to set up a Bar
> account first if you don't have one at
> http://bar.baen.com/index.php?t=pre_reg&

Thank you, Jamie.

$ telnet bar.baen.com nntp
Trying 50.56.217.114...
Connected to bar.baen.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 bar.baen.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.3 (20110413 snapshot) ready (no posting)
quit
205 Bye!
Connection closed by foreign host.
$

Allow me to quibble and prepend "if" to your first sentence. "If you
can't get them...." Because any usenet server that pulls in baen.*
groups can make those very groups available to its own local users. New
articles may even appear on a local baen.* group first, before they
propagate to bar.baen.com.

That's the beauty of usenet. It's too distributed to censor.

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU


"Mary, Mary,
Quite contrary,
How are your Hydroponics?"
"I've Dixie Belles
And chanterelles
All singing in Supersonics."


Hydroponics:
I watch things grow,
And O, my heart gives thanks
You need not hoe
In Hydroponic tanks.

[Scott Lurndal]

You stopped too soon:

$ telnet bar.baen.com nntp
Trying 50.56.217.114...
Connected to bar.baen.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 bar.baen.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.3 (20110413 snapshot) ready (no posting)

listgroup
480 Authentication required for command

[Don Kuenz]

??? Your point eludes me. It's easy enough to authenticate during an
nntp session. A script can do it all with software.

$ telnet bar.baen.com nntp
Trying 50.56.217.114...
Connected to bar.baen.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 bar.baen.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.3 (20110413 snapshot) ready (no posting)

AUTHINFO USER xxxxxxxx
381 Enter password
AUTHINFO PASS xxxxxxxx
281 Authentication succeeded
list
215 Newsgroups in form "group high low status"
Baen_Administrivia 0000019243 0000000001 y
Baen_FAQs 0000000033 0000000001 y
Baen_Tonis_Table 0000046110 0000000001 y
Baen_Jim_Minzs_Biergarten 0000000749 0000000001 y
Baen_Baen_Ebooks 0000009533 0000000001 y
Baen_1632_Slush 0000005396 0000000001 y
Baen_1632_Slush_Comments 0000051740 0000000001 y
Baen_1632_Tech 0000122721 0000000001 y
Baen_Baen_Appetite 0000004995 0000000001 y
Baen_Authors 0000004101 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Bar 0000058899 0000000001 y
Baen_Binjalis 0000006296 0000000001 y
Baen_Blazes 0000017995 0000000001 y
Baen_Books 0000009794 0000000001 y
Baen_BuShips 0000013407 0000000001 y
Baen_Callahans 0000000044 0000000001 y
Baen_Classic_SF 0000001222 0000000001 y
Baen_Dr_Monkey 0000002707 0000000001 y
Baen_Ebook_Reader 0000007567 0000000001 y
Baen_Feelings 0000004168 0000000001 y
Baen_Future_Tech 0000022061 0000000001 y
Baen_Honorverse 0000036482 0000000001 y
Baen_Humor 0000006392 0000000001 y
Baen_I_Love_Lucy 0000009839 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Universe_eMagazine 0000002298 0000000001 y
Baen_In_Memoriam 0000000223 0000000001 y
Baen_Interface 0000003292 0000000001 y
Baen_Jumpgate 0000000304 0000000001 y
Baen_KratSkeller 0000182311 0000000001 y
Baen_Legacy 0000000210 0000000001 y
Baen_Mikes_Madhouse 0000061689 0000000001 y
Baen_Miles_to_Go 0000011037 0000000001 y
Baen_Mutters_of_Demons 0000011437 0000000001 y
Baen_Paradigms_Lost 0000004515 0000000001 y
Baen_Movies_and_TV 0000008239 0000000001 y
Baen_Politics 0000253791 0000000001 y
Baen_ReCon 0000006053 0000000001 y
Baen_Ringos_Tavern 0000053177 0000000001 y
Baen_Ruby_Dynasty 0000000403 0000000001 y
Baen_Sarahs_Diner 0000030377 0000000001 y
Baen_Sharp_Pointy_Things 0000001947 0000000001 y
Baen_Slush_Comments 0000024797 0000000001 y
Baen_Slush_Pile 0000010890 0000000001 y
Baen_Slush_Synopsis 0000002174 0000000001 y
Baen_Snerkers_Only 0000034482 0000000001 y
Baen_Space_Technology 0000003041 0000000001 y
Baen_The_Docs_Inn 0000004262 0000000001 y
Baen_Tinkers_Dam 0000020779 0000000001 y
Baen_Truth_vs_Pravda 0000021772 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Universe_Art 0000000461 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Universe_Art_Comments 0000000377 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Universe_Facts 0000005449 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Universe_Slush 0000007417 0000000001 y
Baen_Baens_Universe_Slush_Comments 0000053305 0000000001 y
Baen_Posting_Test 0000000575 0000000001 y
Baen_Tony_Ds_Den 0000000326 0000000001 y
Baen_Raising_Caine 0000000239 0000000001 y
Baen_Baen_Free_Radio_Hour_Podcast 0000000380 0000000001 y
Baen_Baen_Mobile 0000000392 0000000001 y
Baen_EARC_Announcements 0000000085 0000000001 y

quit
205 Bye!
Connection closed by foreign host.

$

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU


Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
At three o'clock he had his great fall.
The King set the Time Machine back to two.
Now Humpty's unscrambled and good as new.

[Mark Bestley]

Don Kuenz <gar...@crcomp.net> wrote:

> Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> > Don Kuenz <gar...@crcomp.net> writes:
> >>
> >>Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:43:43 -0600, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 7/22/16 8:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >>>>>>> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Baen has a usenet server of its own (reflecting the on-line bar).
> >>>>>>>> They're pretty responsive there. I believe support is handled by
> >>>>>>>> principled technologies or something similar.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Hrmph. The bar _is_ a bit to the right of genghis khan...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Depends on which PART of the Bar. Neither Eric's conference nor
> >>>>>mine would be that, given that Eric's been a literal card-carrying
> >>>>>Communist and I've evolved off to the left for the most part.
> >>>>
> >>>>Scott says that they have a Usenet SERVER. Does that mean that they
> >>>>have custom groups? Can we get to them from Individual.net? A groups
> >>>>list refresh followed by a search for Baen sees nothing.
> >>>
> >>> You can't get them from individual or anywhere else, you'll have to
> >>> plumb yourself in to nntp://bar.baen.com - check instructions at
> >>> http://bar.baen.com/bar-nntp.html , but you'll need to set up a Bar
> >>> account first if you don't have one at
> >>> http://bar.baen.com/index.php?t=pre_reg&
> >>
> >>Thank you, Jamie.
> >>


>

> ??? Your point eludes me. It's easy enough to authenticate during an
> nntp session. A script can do it all with software.
>
> $ telnet bar.baen.com nntp
> Trying 50.56.217.114...
> Connected to bar.baen.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 200 bar.baen.com InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.3 (20110413 snapshot)
ready (no posting)
> AUTHINFO USER xxxxxxxx
> 381 Enter password
> AUTHINFO PASS xxxxxxxx
> 281 Authentication succeeded
> list
> 215 Newsgroups in form "group high low status"
> Baen_Administrivia 0000019243 0000000001 y

However don't post through that setup, the Baen server does not pass the
authentication through correctly. From memory I think the post gets
through but does not thread properly and/or it appears to come from the
wrong person

--
Mark

[Don Bruder]

In article <2016...@crcomp.net>, Don Kuenz <gar...@crcomp.net>
wrote:

I'm pretty sure the point was "Not unless you've got authentication
credentials".

[Tom Kratman]

Po’ Terry Austin is all spite and hate.
He wants to matter, but now it’s too late.
He lives on USENET, ‘t’sall he can afford,
Since he can’t leave from his own psycho ward.

He bought a hooker, the scuzziest kind,
(Each time he got fucked Terry earned a dime.)
He had to have her, no matter the price.
She took his money and then said, “No dice.”

It’s hard to handle that rejection pain,
So Terry tried hard to earn USENET fame.
But po’ li’l Terry, though he tried so hard,
Could never quite get past the playschool yard.

Lucky he can hide where we won’t see him cry.
(Po’ Terry, po’ fool)
He’s a loser all right; he just doesn’t know why.
Life’s been hard on po’ Terrae.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

I know you are, but what am I?

Tom Kratman <tomkr...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:dd9f0681-42e1-4b8f...@googlegroups.com:

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <dd9f0681-42e1-4b8f...@googlegroups.com>,
Tom Kratman <tomkr...@gmail.com> wrote:

[deleted]

And killfiled.

I do not always agree with Terry, but when I do, I hit 'n' and
move on.