Warning: Do NOT watch tonight's No Ordinary Family's "N.O. Visitors"
Ken from Chicago
at 8pm Central, then be forewarned. "No Ordinary Visitors" is the single
worst episode of NO ORDINARY FAMILY.
The parents are not two-dimensional, one-dimensional but
negatively-dimensional in all definitions of the word. Spare yourself the
suffering!
-- Ken from Chicago (who shudders at the memory)
P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
shawn
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>If you are still watching the series, and happen to be watching tv tonight
>at 8pm Central, then be forewarned. "No Ordinary Visitors" is the single
>worst episode of NO ORDINARY FAMILY.
>
>The parents are not two-dimensional, one-dimensional but
>negatively-dimensional in all definitions of the word. Spare yourself the
>suffering!
So we should watch the show just so they keep it on and the show can
continue to get worse until it begins to suck in all of the other bad
shows on TV leaving us with only the good stuff? Or would it go the
other way and the black hole of NOF would begin to suck in only the
good shows leaving only drek to fill the void?
>P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
There's nothing wrong with asking permission. Nothing says that the
suitor would follow the father's wishes if he said no. It's is a
somewhat antiquated tradition but it's no worse than bowing when
meeting the Queen of England.
Hunter
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
----
I think it is nice. Sure he doesn't have to but it is nice to show
such respect to your future father in law.
------>Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
KoshN
wrote:
> If you are still watching the series, and happen to be watching tv tonight
> at 8pm Central, then be forewarned. "No Ordinary Visitors" is the single
> worst episode of NO ORDINARY FAMILY.
>
> The parents are not two-dimensional, one-dimensional but
> negatively-dimensional in all definitions of the word. Spare yourself the
> suffering!
>
> -- Ken from Chicago (who shudders at the memory)
Eh, another night of all repeats. :-( Speaking of repeats, I wish
that my local PBS station would re-air November 9th episode "Dogs
Decoded." Missed it.
Invid Fan
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
> ***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
> of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>
My sister's ex-husband asked me for permission to marry her. If I at
all thought he was serious, I would have said "No". Instead my reply
was "Well, it's your funeral" and that indeed turned out to be the
case. Since the divorce I've put my foot down using my Big Brother
Powers and said no marriages or live-in boyfriends for 5 years.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Professor Bubba
It's an uncommon courtesy these days, but it only matters if the
prospective groom takes no for an answer, or the prospective
father-in-law is dumb enough to say no in the first place.
BTW, Clark asked Lois' father for permission in Smallville this season,
although we didn't get to see the scene. I think it was supposed to be
a bonding moment.
Adam H. Kerman
>>P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>>***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>>of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>There's nothing wrong with asking permission. Nothing says that the
>suitor would follow the father's wishes if he said no.
If she's over the age of consent, the father has no permission to grant.
>It's is a somewhat antiquated tradition
At one time, females couldn't consent.
>but it's no worse than bowing when meeting the Queen of England.
Huh? Bowing is an acknowledgement of fealty from subjects of the Crown.
She's the head of state of a dozen or so nations and territories. She
doesn't have subjects elsewhere.
If you're an American, you MUST NOT show fealty to the monarch of any
ohter nation, unless of course you are the ambassador to the Court
of St. James or a comparable court in another monarchy. Fealty is much
more than a sign of respect. It's a sign of loyalty and obediance.
Americans live in a republic as citizens, not subjects, so no fealty at all.
Adam H. Kerman
>>If you are still watching the series, and happen to be watching tv tonight
>>at 8pm Central, then be forewarned. "No Ordinary Visitors" is the single
>>worst episode of NO ORDINARY FAMILY.
>>The parents are not two-dimensional, one-dimensional but
>>negatively-dimensional in all definitions of the word. Spare yourself the
>>suffering!
>>-- Ken from Chicago (who shudders at the memory)
>>P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>>***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>>of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>I think it is nice. Sure he doesn't have to but it is nice to show
>such respect to your future father in law.
Having a job with some future, wearing a suit, a recent haircut, a clean
appearance, and most of all, treating his daughter with respect, love, and
kindness, should be all the respect a future father in law requires. He
really wants to know that his daughter and potential grandchildren won't
starve and that she won't be beaten up.
Adam H. Kerman
>>P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>>***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>>of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>My sister's ex-husband asked me for permission to marry her. If I at
>all thought he was serious, I would have said "No". Instead my reply
>was "Well, it's your funeral" and that indeed turned out to be the
>case. Since the divorce I've put my foot down using my Big Brother
>Powers and said no marriages or live-in boyfriends for 5 years.
You fully support your sister? How is that working out for you?
Mason Barge
If a guy does anything in this regard other than what his prospective wife
wants him to, he's a damn fool.
I and my wife called up her parents and told them we were getting married.
If she had wanted me to ask for one or both of her parents' blessing or
permission, or to write them a formal note asking permission on vellum
paper in Middle English -- it's a freebie.
Who cares? I mean, come on. This is one utterly meaningless form of
words that, if you have some huge axe to grind, you should examine your
own self-confidence.
Ken from Chicago
"shawn" <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 05:01:47 -0600, "Ken from Chicago"
> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>If you are still watching the series, and happen to be watching tv tonight
>>at 8pm Central, then be forewarned. "No Ordinary Visitors" is the single
>>worst episode of NO ORDINARY FAMILY.
>>
>>The parents are not two-dimensional, one-dimensional but
>>negatively-dimensional in all definitions of the word. Spare yourself the
>>suffering!
>
> So we should watch the show just so they keep it on and the show can
> continue to get worse until it begins to suck in all of the other bad
> shows on TV leaving us with only the good stuff? Or would it go the
> other way and the black hole of NOF would begin to suck in only the
> good shows leaving only drek to fill the void?
Worse. This is Hollywood, high ratings would lead to imitators--bad
imitators that would be worse than the original.
>>P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>>***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>>of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>
> There's nothing wrong with asking permission. Nothing says that the
> suitor would follow the father's wishes if he said no. It's is a
> somewhat antiquated tradition but it's no worse than bowing when
> meeting the Queen of England.
Asking for someone's permission with no intention of following is wrong,
like asking someone at a funeral if there's anything you can do but have no
intention of helping or inviting someone to a party that you don't want to
attend.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Hunter (Hunter)" <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:4d10aef6...@news.optonline.net...
But that's not respectful if you have no intentions of following the
father's wishes. Then it's deceitful or at least patronizing in the worse
way.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"KoshN" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I wish might PBS station would reair SHERLOCK. That totally rocked.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
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THE MADNESS SPREADS!
Approval, blessing, support, okay, but permission?!!? Insanity!
-- Ken from Chicago
Harold Groot
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Asking for someone's permission with no intention of following is wrong
>-- Ken from Chicago
That's why these days it is more common to ask the father for his
blessing rather than his permission (or ask both parents for their
blessing).
Ken from Chicago
"Harold Groot" <que...@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:4d118616...@news.west.earthlink.net...
Exactly! Ask for blessing, support, approval, but not permission.
-- Ken from Chicago
Adam H. Kerman
>>>Asking for someone's permission with no intention of following is wrong
>>That's why these days it is more common to ask the father for his
>>blessing rather than his permission (or ask both parents for their
>>blessing).
>Exactly! Ask for blessing, support, approval, but not permission.
Not sure that's any better. They are her parents. You were just introduced
to them. You may not make a good first impression, or you may make an
excellent first impression that's completely wrong.
Her mother is going to say, "He seems nice," and roll her eyes. Her father
won't be impressed short of marrying Alexander the Great, and he'll still
complain that he's away on business too often.
A parent's snap judgment? Isn't that unfair to them?
Take off all the pressure and just be corgial. With Americans delaying
marriage, she's been on her own for years already, so she'd better know
her own mind at this time in her life.
Madlove
> shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>>> ***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>>> of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>
>> There's nothing wrong with asking permission. Nothing says that the
>> suitor would follow the father's wishes if he said no.
>
> If she's over the age of consent, the father has no permission to grant.
True, but some fathers can put the kibosh on the wedding -- one way or
another.
>> but it's no worse than bowing when meeting the Queen of England.
> Huh? Bowing is an acknowledgment of fealty from subjects of the Crown.
> She's the head of state of a dozen or so nations and territories. She
> doesn't have subjects elsewhere.
> Americans live in a republic as citizens, not subjects, so no fealty at all.
Ha! Ha! Ha! You actually believe that?!? Check out the 'patriot act' for
examples
of how free them 'marikinz really are!
Madlove
> Having a job with some future, wearing a suit, a recent haircut, a clean
> appearance, and most of all, treating his daughter with respect, love, and
> kindness, should be all the respect a future father in law requires. He
> really wants to know that his daughter and potential grandchildren won't
> starve and that she won't be beaten up.
How many guys does this relate to?
New TV show, "America's Next Battered Wife"
Madlove
Adam H. Kerman
Republic just means "no monarchy". It's not a comment on how free society is.
Ken from Chicago
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
news:ieshk0$4gd$1...@news.albasani.net...
Asking for permission is far different from asking for approval. The former
implies certain rights, namely the right of refusal, that the latter does
not. It's the intended's right to refuse, thus asking him or her for
permission, but asking their parents--if one is asking their parents--for
their approval, blessing or support.
-- Ken from Chicago
Adam H. Kerman
Lt. Brannigan had to tell Frank Sinatra that he's too old to elope in
"Guys and Dolls".
I'm just saying that a parent's judgment will be irrelevant or wrong;
they cannot possibly know. Plenty of prospective couples just introduce
each to the other's parents, without seeking approval, especially the ones
in their 30s and 40s (if parents are even alive).
Anim8rFSK
Madlove <mad...@arkham.dc> wrote:
From Gorton's, maker of fine battered fish.
"Trust the Gorton's Batterer!"
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
Madlove
You're right, it certainly isn't.
"A Republic, Not An Empire" -- Pat Buchanan. :-D
Madlove
> In article <ietp18$59s$2...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Madlove <mad...@arkham.dc> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Having a job with some future, wearing a suit, a recent haircut, a clean
>>> appearance, and most of all, treating his daughter with respect, love, and
>>> kindness, should be all the respect a future father in law requires. He
>>> really wants to know that his daughter and potential grandchildren won't
>>> starve and that she won't be beaten up.
>> How many guys does this relate to?
>>
>> New TV show, "America's Next Battered Wife"
>
> From Gorton's, maker of fine battered fish.
>
> "Trust the Gorton's Batterer!"
I have a sudden urge to play that old arcade game, "Rampage!"
Ken from Chicago
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANIM8Rfsk-8DD3D...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
Wait, so do they batter the chicken to make chicken tenders?
-- Ken from Chicago
Anim8rFSK
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Why do you think the chicken is so tender?
PS
Merry Xmas! :)
Hunter
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
-----
You are right if it is meant that way, but none the less it is still
done:
Parental Permission
Many guys are a little apprehensive about asking their future
father-in-law for permission to marry their daughter. However, it is
still proper etiquette to do so. No matter how comfortable you are
with her father, the moment of truth is always somewhat awkward. But
remember, he went through the same thing. Unless you are on bad terms
with her father, it should go okay. The longer you dwell on it, the
harder the moment becomes.
Today, it is becoming more common and somewhat “PC” to ask both
parents. This will definitely impress her parents. If you need someone
on your side, her mother is usually the one to give the first
blessing. In special situations for instance, you may want to ask
whichever parent she most recently lived with, or whom she is on
better terms with. With divorced or separated parents, it is
appropriate to talk to both parents separately.
Most guys want to ask the parents secretly before they actually
propose. Not only is it a tradition to do so, but it may also be
beneficial to talk with her mom (or sister) about rings and a plan for
the proposal. They can be your best allies when it comes to rings and
proposals. If the parents live near you, you may wish to contact them
and inform them that you would like to meet privately. This usually
gives them a little heads up to what may go down. Some guys choose to
just spring it in the car, or when the have a moment alone with the
parents. A classy suggestion would be to take them out to dinner when
your girlfriend is on a girls-night-out.
The principle behind asking her parents is to convey your sincere love
for their daughter, and your intention to have her hand in marriage.
(Along with their approval and blessing.) Tell them you appreciate
them for creating the most wonderful person in the world. Let them
know that you promise to care for her with all your heart and that you
will cherish her with the utmost respect. You may also want to add how
you plan to actually care for her financially if that is an issue. It
will help her Dad feel somewhat more at ease, because for some reason
they always tend to bring that up. So try to bring it up for his sake
before he does. Good Luck! We’re all counting on you!
http://www.thegroomguide.com/engagement2.html
And it isn't that unusual:
Popping the question: Some prospective grooms still ask parents for
daughter's hand
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
By Mackenzie Carpenter, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Daniel Marsula/Post-Gazette illustration
[edit]
At a time when couples can pick and choose from a range of rituals to
define their nuptials, from post-modern to practically prehistoric,
about 53 percent of grooms hewed to tradition and asked the father
first before popping the question, according to a 2005 Wedding Channel
survey.
[edit]
Even howard Stern did it:
"Henry Hager, George W. Bush's future son-in-law, did it. So did
NASCAR driver Kurt Busch. Even radio shock jock Howard Stern asked his
future father-in-law for permission, only to be told yes, with this
proviso: "Never call me Dad."
[edit]
"Asking the father first has changed its meaning," says Marilyn
Olivera, senior editor, at TheWeddingChannel.com. "It's now a gesture
of respect and good intentions, not about having to get permission."
The practice seems to be more prevalent in certain geographic areas --
in the East and South -- as well as among cultural conservatives and
tradition-bound elites, said Marita Wesley-Clough, wedding trends
specialist for Hallmark.
[edit]
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07317/833273-51.stm
So it isn't that unusual after all.
Hunter
----
In "The Event" that is what Micheal Buchanan said to Sean basically;
adding 3/4 jokingly that if he hurt her he have to kill him :-)
However going back and actually rewatching both scenes in both shows
Sean in "The Event" didn't ask Micheal Buchannan for permission to
marry his daughter. He never got to use the word "permission" or
"blessing". Micheal interrupted him and said he had his blessings.
In "No Ordinary Family" and while Jim *did* ask for permission from
stephanie's dad. Jim married Stephanie anyway when he didn't get it.
All this said this site gives the impression that asking permission is
still done quite frequently
"Popping the question: Some prospective grooms still ask parents for
daughter's hand
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
By Mackenzie Carpenter, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Daniel Marsula/Post-Gazette illustration
[edit]
"At a time when couples can pick and choose from a range of rituals to
define their nuptials, from post-modern to practically prehistoric,
about 53 percent of grooms hewed to tradition and asked the father
first before popping the question, according to a 2005 Wedding Channel
survey.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07317/833273-51.stm
More about it from this google search:
So it seems it is not that unusual as is thought.
Hunter
<bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>In article <qtqdnS25N4SAFI3Q...@giganews.com>, Ken from
>Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> If you are still watching the series, and happen to be watching tv tonight
>> at 8pm Central, then be forewarned. "No Ordinary Visitors" is the single
>> worst episode of NO ORDINARY FAMILY.
>>
>> The parents are not two-dimensional, one-dimensional but
>> negatively-dimensional in all definitions of the word. Spare yourself the
>> suffering!
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago (who shudders at the memory)
>>
>> P.S. And don't get me started on ANOTHER character this season asking
>> ***permission*** of the father to marry an adult woman in the 21st century
>> of mainstream America (yeah, I'm looking at you, THE EVENT).
>
>
>It's an uncommon courtesy these days, but it only matters if the
>prospective groom takes no for an answer, or the prospective
>father-in-law is dumb enough to say no in the first place.
>
>BTW, Clark asked Lois' father for permission in Smallville this season,
>although we didn't get to see the scene. I think it was supposed to be
>a bonding moment.
-----
I saw that and it is not as uncommon as you may think:
Popping the question: Some prospective grooms still ask parents for
daughter's hand
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
By Mackenzie Carpenter, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Daniel Marsula/Post-Gazette illustration
[edit]
At a time when couples can pick and choose from a range of rituals to
define their nuptials, from post-modern to practically prehistoric,
about 53 percent of grooms hewed to tradition and asked the father
first before popping the question, according to a 2005 Wedding Channel
survey.
[edit]
Even howard Stern did it:
"Henry Hager, George W. Bush's future son-in-law, did it. So did
NASCAR driver Kurt Busch. Even radio shock jock Howard Stern asked his
future father-in-law for permission, only to be told yes, with this
proviso: "Never call me Dad."
[edit]
"Asking the father first has changed its meaning," says Marilyn
Olivera, senior editor, at TheWeddingChannel.com. "It's now a gesture
of respect and good intentions, not about having to get permission."
[edit]
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07317/833273-51.stm
More about it from this google search:
So the "Smallville", "The Event", and "No Ordinary Family" writers got
it right LOL!
Hunter
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
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See my other response to you in this thread. It is not that unusual.
And the show writers seem to know this.