Syfy cancels "Eureka," nixes season 6
David
'Eureka' canceled, sixth season plans dropped -- EXCLUSIVE
by James Hibberd
Whoa! Big shock on Eureka.
Remember how Syfy ordered six episodes for a potential final season
last week? Well, tonight the network decided that not only is the
series firmly going to end, but those final six episodes are not going
to happen after all.
The 13-episode fifth season that was ordered last year, which includes
a holiday special, is going to be the final season of Eureka.
Here’s a statement from Syfy:
“After painstaking consideration, we have had to make the difficult
business decision to not order a season six of Eureka. But Eureka is
not over yet. There is a new holiday episode this December and 12
stellar episodes set to debut next year, marking its fifth season and
six memorable years on Syfy. The 2012 episodes are some of the best
we’ve seen, and will bring this great series to a satisfying end. We
are very grateful to Bruce Miller and Jaime Paglia, their team of
incredible writers, and an amazing cast and crew who have consistently
delivered a series we continue to be very proud of. We thank the fans
for their support of this show and know they will enjoy its final
season in 2012.“
Last week a Syfy executive and said he was “hopeful” the drama series
about a town of geniuses would continue beyond an additional six
episodes, but it seems the deal didn’t come together as parties
expected. At least this move still gives producers time to wrap up the
show in a creatively satisfying way (I know, it’s like the TV series
equivalent of saying, “At least he didn’t suffer,” but it’s still
true!).
Robin Miller
> http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/08/eureka-cancelled/
>
> 'Eureka' canceled, sixth season plans dropped -- EXCLUSIVE
> by James Hibberd
>
> Whoa! Big shock on Eureka.
>
> Remember how Syfy ordered six episodes for a potential final season
> last week? Well, tonight the network decided that not only is the
> series firmly going to end, but those final six episodes are not going
> to happen after all.
Unbelievable. Eureka is far and away their best show. Tonight's episode
was really enjoyable too.
--Robin
Professor Bubba
Miller <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
Agreed, but I expect the show has gotten too expensive for them to do,
past this next batch.
Robin Miller
I'm sure you're right that it was a financial decision. They're five
seasons in and, unlike some of their other shows, it doesn't have a
three-member cast.
You said in the other thread that Salli Richardson directed this ep? It
was nicely done.
--Robin
Ken from Chicago
We'd love for the EUREKA *franchise* to continue,
but *not more than* 6 episodes of another season.
Do I detect show negotiations thru the news media?
Stories about the AMC negotiations with its various shows bring up an
interesting point that after 4 seasons, the financial costs of a series
traditionally shift to the network, and with both MAD MEN and BREAKING BAD
going into their 5th season, well, we've seen reports how ... intense ...
their negotiations have been.
Could Syfy have similar financial concerns with EUREKA's 6th season, in
light of the success of other series WAREHOUSE 13, SANCTUARY, and of its new
series, ALPHAS and HAVEN? It's been a while since Syfy could fill a whole
3-hour primetime block with scripted content. That kind of success could
come at a greater than anticipated financial cost.
Then again, it could be just my imagination.
-- Ken from Chicago (who can ... imagine greater)
Merrick Baldelli
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hmm ...
> We'd love for the EUREKA *franchise* to continue,
> but *not more than* 6 episodes of another season.
>
>Do I detect show negotiations thru the news media?
No, what you detect is SyFried making the decision to cancel a
show because they don't want to pay for it and think it's getting
lackluster ratings performances out of it.
>Stories about the AMC negotiations with its various shows bring up an
>interesting point that after 4 seasons, the financial costs of a series
>traditionally shift to the network, and with both MAD MEN and BREAKING BAD
>going into their 5th season, well, we've seen reports how ... intense ...
>their negotiations have been.
Different network, different balloons in charge, and different
talking heads putting it out to the public.
>Could Syfy have similar financial concerns with EUREKA's 6th season, in
>light of the success of other series WAREHOUSE 13, SANCTUARY, and of its new
>series, ALPHAS and HAVEN? It's been a while since Syfy could fill a whole
>3-hour primetime block with scripted content. That kind of success could
>come at a greater than anticipated financial cost.
Check SyFried's history on shows and you'll see this is a
reoccurring theme going on long before Bonnie Hammer(ed) took charge.
>Then again, it could be just my imagination.
Then again, take your medications Ken. And take the tinfoil
off your head. The Alien Mind Control Rays™ have already done their
job on you.
--
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_( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli
(((\ \> /_1 `
(\\\\ \_/ /
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\ _/ You can't spell 'disgust' without
/ / 'SGU' - Anim8rFSK
Jim G.
Then: Excluding the whole Bonnie Hammer thing, I can't remember the last
time Syfy made such a stupid decision as when they opted to cancel
EUREKA after season six.
Now: Imagine Greater
--
Jim G.
Waukesha, WI
Ian J. Ball
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/08/eureka-cancelled/
>
> 'Eureka' canceled, sixth season plans dropped -- EXCLUSIVE
> by James Hibberd
>
> Whoa! Big shock on Eureka.
>
> Remember how Syfy ordered six episodes for a potential final season
> last week? Well, tonight the network decided that not only is the
> series firmly going to end, but those final six episodes are not going
> to happen after all.
>
> The 13-episode fifth season that was ordered last year, which includes
> a holiday special, is going to be the final season of Eureka.
Assholes.
--
"Am I a bird? No, I'm a bat. I'm Batman. Or am I? Yes, I am Batman."
- Abed as "Batman" on "Halloween", "Community", 10/29/09
erilar
I see.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Adam H. Kerman
>'Eureka' canceled, sixth season plans dropped -- EXCLUSIVE
>by James Hibberd
>Whoa! Big shock on Eureka.
>Remember how Syfy ordered six episodes for a potential final season
>last week? Well, tonight the network decided that not only is the
>series firmly going to end, but those final six episodes are not going
>to happen after all.
>The 13-episode fifth season that was ordered last year, which includes
>a holiday special, is going to be the final season of Eureka.
This is Season 4, concluding after a 7 month hiatus. There is no Season 5.
David
Season 5 is the Christmas special and 12 episodes airing next Summer.
AC
Bollocks, I was going to actually watch those...
--
AC
Jim G.
(UTC):
They're finishing up filming season five as we speak/type. Because of
the stupid way that they've stupidly handled this show for some time
now, they've stupidly been almost a year ahead in terms of filming
versus airing, and that's been going on for at least the past two years.
Because they're stupid. This show has been screwed over so badly by Syfy
that it makes what happened to FIREFLY or DOLLHOUSE seem like dinner and
a movie by comparison.
Adam H. Kerman
>>>http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/08/eureka-cancelled/
Oh. So they won't order a sixth season based on how the fifth season
does in the ratings, and the fifth season will end on an obnoxious
cliffhanger.
Great.
Robin Miller
It's just plain weird how much Syfy has screwed with Eureka over the
years. It's not a one-time thing; they've done it consistently, both in
terms of inconsistent scheduling and in terms of the filming being out
of sync with the broadcast schedule.
They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
--Robin
T987654321
course it gets caned.
KoshN
http://www.facebook.com/notes/syfy/syfys-official-statement-regarding-eureka/231057706935550
Syfy’s Official Statement Regarding Eureka
by Syfy on Friday, August 5, 2011 at 3:00pm
"Bruce Miller and Jaime Paglia have brought a creative vitality to
Eureka that has kept it fresh and inventive," said Mark Stern,
President, Original Content, Syfy. "Although we do not have a
commitment beyond six episodes for the sixth season, we are hopeful
that this will not be the isodes for the sixth season, we are hopeful
that this will not be the end of the franchise."
Sounds like they ARE going to do the six episodes.
Professor Bubba
<6c12f3ea-ca5b-4a32...@g9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
KoshN <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.facebook.com/notes/syfy/syfys-official-statement-regarding-eureka/2
> 31057706935550
>
> Syfy’s Official Statement Regarding Eureka
> by Syfy on Friday, August 5, 2011 at 3:00pm
>
> "Bruce Miller and Jaime Paglia have brought a creative vitality to
> Eureka that has kept it fresh and inventive," said Mark Stern,
> President, Original Content, Syfy. "Although we do not have a
> commitment beyond six episodes for the sixth season, we are hopeful
> that this will not be the isodes for the sixth season, we are hopeful
> that this will not be the end of the franchise."
>
>
> Sounds like they ARE going to do the six episodes.
They were as of last Friday. Then they had the weekend to think about
it.
KoshN
> Not surprised, after all E is about the only good SF show left so of
> course it gets caned.
See Syfy's official statement.
Of Syfy's current shows, I only follow Warehouse 13 (via the DVD sets
which I buy.), Eureka and Sanctuary (both via Netflix DVDs), all of
which I consider to be good. I haven't watched the channel since Jan.
2004 when it moved to Digital Cable on COMCAST, for the following
reasons:
1. The watering down of sci-fi on the channel, e.g. good sci-fi shows
being treated badly and cancelled, and the addition of wrestling and
reality TV crap.
2. Numerous, obnoxious and intrusive pop-up ads. for non-sci-fi crap
stepping all over the sci-fi shows you're trying to watch. e.g.:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2s7tra
3. Obnoxious and intrusive squished credit ads. with voiceovers for
non-sci-fi crap stepping all over the sci-fi shows you're trying to
watch.
Given all of the above, I just got fed-up with the channel and dropped
'em. When I hear of good shows they're airing, I check 'em out via
Netflix and may end up buying the DVD sets. That way I get the
content and don't have to put up with all of the bullshit.
Merrick Baldelli
<Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
>They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
>longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
Robin -- that's because the majority of SyFried's shows are no
longer anything really... well, science fiction.
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>Then: Excluding the whole Bonnie Hammer thing, I can't remember the last
>time Syfy made such a stupid decision as when they opted to cancel
>EUREKA after season six.
err.. You mean like how Farscape got cancelled with little
word until after the season finale? I'm sure that if I actually
thought about it, I could find more examples.
>Now: Imagine Greater
Oh, I'm imagining greater... As in more paranormal shit
coming down the pipe... As in crappier "reality television" trying to
find the truth in things by completely missing the obvious truth. Or
my personal favorite -- complete farces to reality contest shows and
cooking shows traipsing with a sci-fi gimmicky title. As in more
wrestling shit that would make Spike back in the day -- before UFC
came a knocking -- proud. As in dog shit falling from the sky. As in
the death of a channel as it's being morphed into something far, far
more banal.
swangdb
> Not surprised, after all E is about the only good SF show left so of
> course it gets caned.
It's my favorite SyFy program (followed by Haven and W13).
I wonder if those horrible movies and wrestling programs are just a
lot more profitable.
I mean, it is a business, but still it's hard to believe they'd dump
one of their best programs like this.
Ken from Chicago
"KoshN" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6c12f3ea-ca5b-4a32...@g9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Poor, poor, Kosh, vorlons have nothing on lawyers, politicians,
philosophers, marketers, and Hollywood execs when it comes to "spin".
The key phrase is "we don't have ... beyond".
In humanspeak it is akin to "up to", "as much as", "as far as", etc. Those
are delimiters, showing the boundary, but is not a guarantee of reaching
said limit.
Worse, is the phrase "don't", as in present tense, as in as of the time said
statement was released last week.
Again, in humanspeak it's akin to a politican saying "I have no plans to run
for office". That's present tense, so it doesn't guarantee said politician
will not have *future* plans. Technically it doesn't even guarantee the
politician doesn't have present "intentions", "desires", "outlines",
"procedures", even "hopes", "dreams" or "beliefs" they will run for office.
Not your fault, Kosh, even (many of) us humans, used to such humanspeak, got
fooled.
-- Ken from Chicago
Anim8rFSK
Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:12:37 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Then: Excluding the whole Bonnie Hammer thing, I can't remember the last
> >time Syfy made such a stupid decision as when they opted to cancel
> >EUREKA after season six.
>
> err.. You mean like how Farscape got cancelled with little
> word until after the season finale? I'm sure that if I actually
> thought about it, I could find more examples.
>
> >Now: Imagine Greater
>
> Oh, I'm imagining greater... As in more paranormal shit
> coming down the pipe... As in crappier "reality television" trying to
> find the truth in things by completely missing the obvious truth. Or
> my personal favorite -- complete farces to reality contest shows and
> cooking shows traipsing with a sci-fi gimmicky title. As in more
> wrestling shit that would make Spike back in the day -- before UFC
> came a knocking -- proud. As in dog shit falling from the sky.
That's on another network. It's called Terra Nova.
--
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"
KoshN
wrote:
> "KoshN" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > Syfy’s Official Statement Regarding Eureka
> > by Syfy on Friday, August 5, 2011 at 3:00pm
>
> > "Bruce Miller and Jaime Paglia have brought a creative vitality to
> > Eureka that has kept it fresh and inventive," said Mark Stern,
> > President, Original Content, Syfy. "Although we do not have a
> > commitment beyond six episodes for the sixth season, we are hopeful
Damn it, I munged the quote. There, I've fixed it above.
> > Sounds like they ARE going to do the six episodes.
>
> Poor, poor, Kosh, vorlons have nothing on lawyers, politicians,
> philosophers, marketers, and Hollywood execs when it comes to "spin".
No, no Ken, you misunderstand me.
> The key phrase is "we don't have ... beyond".
>
> In humanspeak it is akin to "up to", "as much as", "as far as", etc. Those
> are delimiters, showing the boundary, but is not a guarantee of reaching
> said limit.
No, "we do not have a commitment beyond six episodes for the sixth
season," means that they DO have a commitment for THOSE six episodes
IN the sixth season. Now, they MAY try to get OUT of that commitment
ala TNT & "Crusade".... one never knows. I wouldn't put anything past
TV executives. There is no level to which they will not stoop.
> Worse, is the phrase "don't", as in present tense, as in as of the time said
> statement was released last week.
>
> Again, in humanspeak it's akin to a politican saying "I have no plans to run
> for office". That's present tense, so it doesn't guarantee said politician
> will not have *future* plans. Technically it doesn't even guarantee the
> politician doesn't have present "intentions", "desires", "outlines",
> "procedures", even "hopes", "dreams" or "beliefs" they will run for office.
>
> Not your fault, Kosh, even (many of) us humans, used to such humanspeak, got
> fooled.
I am ONLY talking about the six Season 6 episodes. Beyond that, I
wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Syfy drops Eureka immediately
after those episodes, or even if it never airs those episodes.
"....we are hopeful that this will not be the end of the franchise."
means absolutely NOTHING. It is not indicative of one iota of support
for Eureka. I have ZERO faith in the executives in charge of Syfy or
Bonnie Hammer who is over all NBC/Universal CABLE programming.
Deke
news:drache-B1E03F....@news.eternal-september.org...
What took you so long? The Sy-phillis channel has only had three decent
shows, all on Monday, and now one of them has been cancelled.
Robin Miller
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:05:41 -0500, Robin Miller
> <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
>
>> They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
>> longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
>
> Robin -- that's because the majority of SyFried's shows are no
> longer anything really... well, science fiction.
>
I agree. It's all fantasy now in its scripted, non-wrestling programming.
--Robin
Adam H. Kerman
>Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>>Robin Miller <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
>>>They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
>>>longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
>>Robin -- that's because the majority of SyFried's shows are no
>>longer anything really... well, science fiction.
>I agree. It's all fantasy now in its scripted, non-wrestling programming.
As opposed to its scripted wrestling programming?
Robin Miller
> Robin Miller<Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
>> Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>>> Robin Miller<Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
>
>>>> They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
>>>> longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
>
>>> Robin -- that's because the majority of SyFried's shows are no
>>> longer anything really... well, science fiction.
>
>> I agree. It's all fantasy now in its scripted, non-wrestling programming.
>
> As opposed to its scripted wrestling programming?
Yes, that is what I was suggesting.
--Robin
Kyle Haight
Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>This show has been screwed over so badly by Syfy that it makes what
>happened to FIREFLY or DOLLHOUSE seem like dinner and a movie by
>comparison.
So you're saying that if FIREFLY had been screwed over the way Eureka
has been screwed over, we'd have fifty-something episodes of it instead
of only fourteen? I think I could have lived with that.
--
Kyle Haight
Michael Bowker
> Almost time to quit bothering even to look at listings for Siffy again,
> I see.
>
wrong I like warehouse 13 and Haven. But two shows don't a scifi
channel make (especially since they're not scifi).
Michael Bowker
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:05:41 -0500, Robin Miller
> <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
>
>> They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
>> longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
>
> Robin -- that's because the majority of SyFried's shows are no
> longer anything really... well, science fiction.
>
Well said, well spoken.
Michael Bowker
I would have certain have liked Firefly to be screwed over like Eureka.
That doesn't change the fact that Syfy doesn't have any scifi,
anymore. Nor does it change change the fact that someone is being
rogered here. I suspect it's the fans.
Stan Brown
> That doesn't change the fact that Syfy doesn't have any scifi,
> anymore.
Don't let your indignation lead you into inaccuracy. I don't watch
/Warehouse 13/ or /Alphas/, but aren't they sci-fi, just like
/Eureka/?
Don't say it doesn't have *any* sci-fi; say it has very little, and
you'll be right.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
"Children -- so adorable. In a way they're like people."
-- Veronica, on /Better Off Ted/
Adam H. Kerman
>On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:33:09 -0700, Michael Bowker wrote:
>>That doesn't change the fact that Syfy doesn't have any scifi,
>>anymore.
>Don't let your indignation lead you into inaccuracy. I don't watch
>/Warehouse 13/ or /Alphas/, but aren't they sci-fi, just like
>/Eureka/?
>Don't say it doesn't have *any* sci-fi; say it has very little, and
>you'll be right.
You know what the specification is for that bright line between science
fiction and fantasy, right?
"It's wherever I've put it."
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>> Oh, I'm imagining greater... As in more paranormal shit
>> coming down the pipe... As in crappier "reality television" trying to
>> find the truth in things by completely missing the obvious truth. Or
>> my personal favorite -- complete farces to reality contest shows and
>> cooking shows traipsing with a sci-fi gimmicky title. As in more
>> wrestling shit that would make Spike back in the day -- before UFC
>> came a knocking -- proud. As in dog shit falling from the sky.
>
>That's on another network. It's called Terra Nova.
Oh I know that's right... With the amount of hype that "Terra
Nova" has been building up -- I'm going to venture a safe guess it's
going to suck so bad that network stations won't be able to pull it
off the air fast enough as they get plummeting viewer ratings even in
the first episode.
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>I wonder if those horrible movies and wrestling programs are just a
>lot more profitable.
The movies? Most certainly not; given their ratings (not to
mention reputation) I would venture a guess that they're tax
write-offs for the station.
Wrestling? Absolutely! You're looking at the same
knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing sorts that also watch NASCAR.
They'll flock wherever they can find the testosterone soap opera: TNT,
Spike, SyFried.
>I mean, it is a business, but still it's hard to believe they'd dump
>one of their best programs like this.
Of course television programming is a business driven by
profit and loss; always has been, always will be. This however has
been a systematic destruction of genre-inspired cable television from
people that have never really been fans of the genre to begin with.
The plain and simple fact of the matter is, science fiction is a
waxing and waning genre of entertainment that has a small core of
dedicated followers with the occasional high points for the popular
following sheeple.
What we're seeing is just of those two moments. The low point
where it's nothing but the core audience that has always and will
always like science fiction.
solarr
On Aug 8, 10:10 pm, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/08/eureka-cancelled/
>
> 'Eureka' canceled, sixth season plans dropped -- EXCLUSIVE
> by James Hibberd
>
> Whoa! Big shock on Eureka.
>
> Remember how Syfy ordered six episodes for a potential final season
> last week? Well, tonight the network decided that not only is the
> series firmly going to end, but those final six episodes are not going
> to happen after all.
>
> The 13-episode fifth season that was ordered last year, which includes
> a holiday special, is going to be the final season of Eureka.
That's too bad, I really like "Eureka". I think they do a pretty good
job of both the comedy and the "science" part of science fiction. ;-)
-/< /\ />-
Jim G.
(UTC):
Exactly. They're ending without a sixth season on the basis of how the
*fourth* season is going. Again, just beyond stupid on multiple levels.
> and the fifth season will end on an obnoxious
> cliffhanger.
They just gave them one additional season five episode to provide
closure. Since it will have to be written and filmed within a matter of
weeks at this point, it will be interesting to see how well the entire
team--writers, cast, crew--can react on such short notice.
--
Jim G.
Waukesha, WI
Jim G.
> On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:12:37 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Then: Excluding the whole Bonnie Hammer thing, I can't remember the last
> >time Syfy made such a stupid decision as when they opted to cancel
> >EUREKA after season six.
>
> err.. You mean like how Farscape got cancelled with little
> word until after the season finale? I'm sure that if I actually
> thought about it, I could find more examples.
There are multiple levels of stupid going on here. And while both are
examples of quality shows being ended by execs who shouldn't be anywhere
near anything remotely SF-ish, EUREKA has the additional layer of stupid
in that, due to how they handled production versus airing, Syfy found
itself in the position of having to cancel the show while they still
have something like 20 episodes that haven't aired yet. How/why they
came to be in that position is nearly impossible for me to understand.
> >Now: Imagine Greater
>
> Oh, I'm imagining greater... As in more paranormal shit
> coming down the pipe... As in crappier "reality television" trying to
> find the truth in things by completely missing the obvious truth. Or
> my personal favorite -- complete farces to reality contest shows and
> cooking shows traipsing with a sci-fi gimmicky title. As in more
> wrestling shit that would make Spike back in the day -- before UFC
> came a knocking -- proud. As in dog shit falling from the sky. As in
> the death of a channel as it's being morphed into something far, far
> more banal.
But none of that requires any imagination at this point. :(
Jim G.
> Jim G. wrote:
> > Adam H. Kerman sent the following on Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:07:42 +0000
> > (UTC):
> >>> http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/08/eureka-cancelled/
> >>
> >>> 'Eureka' canceled, sixth season plans dropped -- EXCLUSIVE
> >>> by James Hibberd
> >>
> >>> Whoa! Big shock on Eureka.
> >>
> >>> Remember how Syfy ordered six episodes for a potential final season
> >>> last week? Well, tonight the network decided that not only is the
> >>> series firmly going to end, but those final six episodes are not going
> >>> to happen after all.
> >>
> >>> The 13-episode fifth season that was ordered last year, which includes
> >>> a holiday special, is going to be the final season of Eureka.
> >>
> >> This is Season 4, concluding after a 7 month hiatus. There is no Season 5.
> >
> > They're finishing up filming season five as we speak/type. Because of
> > the stupid way that they've stupidly handled this show for some time
> > now, they've stupidly been almost a year ahead in terms of filming
> > versus airing, and that's been going on for at least the past two years.
> > Because they're stupid. This show has been screwed over so badly by Syfy
> > that it makes what happened to FIREFLY or DOLLHOUSE seem like dinner and
> > a movie by comparison.
> >
> years. It's not a one-time thing; they've done it consistently, both in
> terms of inconsistent scheduling and in terms of the filming being out
> of sync with the broadcast schedule.
Yep.
> They haven't treated their other shows that way, yet Eureka is their
> longest-lasting show at this point, as well as their best.
All I can do is guess as to their "reasoning." The only thing that makes
*any* sense is that the show is expensive and they wanted to stretch
their dollars, so they split seasons three and four into two halves
each, spreading the cost over four summers, essentially. But that
shortage of new material over four years hurt more than it helped, I'm
guessing.
Jim G.
Maybe they'll change their mind and take away the additional episode
sometime today. If they're consistent, at least.
Jim G.
You think that it's a function of episode count and nothing more?
Really?
Michael Bowker
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:33:09 -0700, Michael Bowker wrote:
>> That doesn't change the fact that Syfy doesn't have any scifi,
>> anymore.
>
> Don't let your indignation lead you into inaccuracy. I don't watch
> /Warehouse 13/ or /Alphas/, but aren't they sci-fi, just like
> /Eureka/?
>
> Don't say it doesn't have *any* sci-fi; say it has very little, and
> you'll be right.
>
Alphas and Warehouse 13 are fantasy, not scifi. No science at all.
Stan Brown
Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
But in my view you are *again* confusing "little" and "none".
erilar
Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
Oh, I enjoy Warehouse 13 much of the time, despite Pete, but that's
fantasy, which I also like, not sf.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
jack
KoshN
Close enough.
KoshN
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:54:38 -0700 (PDT), swangdb <swan...@auburn.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >I wonder if those horrible movies and wrestling programs are just a
> >lot more profitable.
>
> The movies? Most certainly not; given their ratings (not to
> mention reputation) I would venture a guess that they're tax
> write-offs for the station.
>
> Wrestling? Absolutely! You're looking at the same
> knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing sorts that also watch NASCAR.
and basketball and football (US ver,).
KoshN
> On 8/10/2011 5:09 PM, Kyle Haight wrote:
>
> > Jim G.<jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> This show has been screwed over so badly by Syfy that it makes what
> >> happened to FIREFLY or DOLLHOUSE seem like dinner and a movie by
> >> comparison.
>
> > So you're saying that if FIREFLY had been screwed over the way Eureka
> > has been screwed over, we'd have fifty-something episodes of it instead
> > of only fourteen? I think I could have lived with that.
>
> I would have certain have liked Firefly to be screwed over like Eureka.
> That doesn't change the fact that Syfy doesn't have any scifi,
> anymore. Nor does it change change the fact that someone is being
> rogered here. I suspect it's the fans.
Then they (Bonnie Hammer and the Syfy suits) have achieved their
goals. How long until all fantasy is removed?
Merrick Baldelli
That's like comparing Star Trek: Voyager to... well... Cosmos
with Carl Sagan.
Merrick Baldelli
<the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Alphas and Warehouse 13 are fantasy, not scifi. No science at all.
>
>Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
Really? Possessed artifacts is science since when? So with
the tone you're trying to set, the satanic artifacts of Friday the
Thirteenth: The Series is science?
Alphas while being speculative about the next stage in human
evolution has been something of science fiction for decades, it is
often confused with super heroes stories and those are definitely NOT
Sci-Fi but in fact fantasy when it's a small group of people are out
to save the world. Alphas fits more the latter and less the former.
Anything else you and the brain trust that are "entitled to
your opinion" want to traipse out to call sci-fi? Say, Sharktopus? Or
Dino-Croc? Mansquito? Anyone? Anyone?
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>How/why they came to be in that position is nearly impossible for me
>to understand.
I guess in my old age and the amount of cynicism that I've
built up over the years I can: money. Although I think it's an
extremely poor decision making process. There is a way to maintain a
genre and still make a profit. But that takes work and research.
Something that lazy folk don't want to do. They want to take the lazy
route in this.
I'm speculating that this is the sort of thing they're doing
because they don't want Sci-Fi on their channel. Something is coming
down the pipes I suspect and anything sci-fi is going against that
something.
>But none of that requires any imagination at this point. :(
Of course not. Imagination is anathema to executives. Their
underlings deal with the imagination, all they deal with is the bottom
line.
David Johnston
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:24:07 -0400, Stan Brown
> <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>> Alphas and Warehouse 13 are fantasy, not scifi. No science at all.
>>
>> Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
>
> Really? Possessed artifacts is science since when?
"Scifi" isn't science. The term was coined by Forrest Ackerman, the
monster movie memorabilia guy.
swangdb
> On Aug 11, 8:19 am, Merrick Baldelli <mbalde...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:54:38 -0700 (PDT), swangdb <swan...@auburn.edu>
> > wrote:
>
> > >I wonder if those horrible movies and wrestling programs are just a
> > >lot more profitable.
>
> > The movies? Most certainly not; given their ratings (not to
> > mention reputation) I would venture a guess that they're tax
> > write-offs for the station.
>
> > Wrestling? Absolutely! You're looking at the same
> > knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing sorts that also watch NASCAR.
>
> and basketball and football (US ver,).
Hmmm, I watch football and Eureka (but not wrestling or Sharktopus-
style movies).
KoshN
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:15:08 -0700 (PDT), KoshN
>
> >On Aug 10, 8:26 pm, Michael Bowker <mi...@rawbw.com> wrote:
> >> On 8/9/2011 2:35 PM, erilar wrote:> Almost time to quit bothering even to look at listings for Siffy again,
> >> > I see.
>
> >> Isn't that the truth. So what's left scifi on syfy? Don't get me
> >> wrong I like warehouse 13 and Haven. But two shows don't a scifi
> >> channel make (especially since they're not scifi).
>
> > Close enough.
>
> That's like comparing Star Trek: Voyager to... well... Cosmos
> with Carl Sagan.
No, it's just that I am in favor of Syfy's fantasy shows (e.g.
Warehouse 13) as opposed to more wrestling, Syfy's reality TV shows
(e.g. Scare Tactics, Ghost Hunters, etc.) and painfully awful, cheap
Syfy Original movies (Snakehead Terror, Mansquito, etc.).
KoshN
Well, the sets of viewers can overlap. I *rarely* watch more than a
few minutes of football (US) these days, but watched it more in the
70s, and never could stand watching more than a few minutes of
soccer. I haven't watched basketball since the 80s, but will watch
baseball occasionally. I also don't watch wrestling or Sharktopus-
style movies, but do watch Eureka, Warehouse 13 and Sanctuary. I
wouldn't be caught dead watching 99.9% of Reality TV (e.g. American
Idol, Bachelor/Bachelorette, Big Brother, Survivor, ScareTactics,
Ghost Hunters, etc.), but *do* watch MasterChef.
Jim G.
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:14:49 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >How/why they came to be in that position is nearly impossible for me
> >to understand.
>
> I guess in my old age and the amount of cynicism that I've
> built up over the years I can: money. Although I think it's an
> extremely poor decision making process. There is a way to maintain a
> genre and still make a profit. But that takes work and research.
> Something that lazy folk don't want to do. They want to take the lazy
> route in this.
You misunderstood my point. I get the profit thing. I can even see how
EUREKA may have cut its own throat to some extent by expanding its cast
(Felicia Day and Wil Wheaton probably aren't doing pro bono work here)
and adding other costs even as its numbers remained relatively flat.
What I *don't* get is the production schedule that led to a cancellation
before the end of season four when season *five* isn't even done
shooting.
Beyond that, the people making the decision are probably looking at it
from selfish, career-advancing reasons. After all, how many of them will
still be with Syfy in five years? They'll make changes that will make
*them* look good in the short term even if it's not in the best
*long*-term interests of Syfy. It's like the top execs at many places.
KoshN
> Merrick Baldelli sent the following on Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:24:53 -0400:
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >How/why they came to be in that position is nearly impossible for me
> > >to understand.
>
> > I guess in my old age and the amount of cynicism that I've
> > built up over the years I can: money. Although I think it's an
> > extremely poor decision making process. There is a way to maintain a
> > genre and still make a profit. But that takes work and research.
> > Something that lazy folk don't want to do. They want to take the lazy
> > route in this.
>
> You misunderstood my point. I get the profit thing. I can even see how
> EUREKA may have cut its own throat to some extent by expanding its cast
> (Felicia Day and Wil Wheaton probably aren't doing pro bono work here)
> and adding other costs even as its numbers remained relatively flat.
>
> What I *don't* get is the production schedule that led to a cancellation
> before the end of season four when season *five* isn't even done
> shooting.
>
> Beyond that, the people making the decision are probably looking at it
> from selfish, career-advancing reasons. After all, how many of them will
> still be with Syfy in five years? They'll make changes that will make
> *them* look good in the short term even if it's not in the best
> *long*-term interests of Syfy. It's like the top execs at many places.
It's like the top execs at ALMOST EVERYWHERE.
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>What I *don't* get is the production schedule that led to a cancellation
>before the end of season four when season *five* isn't even done
>shooting.
The only logical conclusion is someone in the board has
something in mind for SyFy that has nothing to do with continuing
Eureka. The stalling was done for this plan to be set in motions.
>Beyond that, the people making the decision are probably looking at it
>from selfish, career-advancing reasons. After all, how many of them will
>still be with Syfy in five years? They'll make changes that will make
>*them* look good in the short term even if it's not in the best
>*long*-term interests of Syfy. It's like the top execs at many places.
You're onto it right here. What I've been pointing at for a
bit.
Jim G.
Depends on the size of the corporation, actually. And on whether those
at the top climbed with the company as the company grew versus being
outside hires. But I'll agree that there tends to be a direct
correlation between the size of a company and the self-serving and
shortsighted interests of those at the top.
KoshN
> KoshN sent the following on Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:49:36 -0700 (PDT):
>
> > On Aug 12, 3:51 pm, Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Beyond that, the people making the decision are probably looking at it
> > > from selfish, career-advancing reasons. After all, how many of them will
> > > still be with Syfy in five years? They'll make changes that will make
> > > *them* look good in the short term even if it's not in the best
> > > *long*-term interests of Syfy. It's like the top execs at many places.
>
> > It's like the top execs at ALMOST EVERYWHERE.
>
> Depends on the size of the corporation, actually.
I've seen it at big , medium sized and small companies over the last
35 years.
> And on whether those
> at the top climbed with the company as the company grew versus being
> outside hires.
TRUE!
> But I'll agree that there tends to be a direct
> correlation between the size of a company and the self-serving and
> shortsighted interests of those at the top.
By the time the effects of the shortsighted executives' decision
making hits the fan, the execs have moved on to mess up another
company.