Smallville - who all is in the JSA portrait?
Anim8rFSK
Wildcat? in black
guy in yellow with red suspenders and blue hood
guy in hat - sandman?
Spectre (with nipples!)
Flash
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Doctor Fate
Green Lantern
Guy in yellow hood
guy in green cape with yellow moon over eye
woman in black leather
guy in green with red hood and FAIR on his gut
--
As Adam West as Bruce Wayne as Batman said in "Smack in the Middle"
the second half of the 1966 BATMAN series pilot when Jill St. John
as Molly as Robin as Molly fell into the Batmobile's atomic pile:
"What a terrible way to go-go"
Anim8rFSK
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> Star Spangled Kid?
> Wildcat? in black
> guy in yellow with red suspenders and blue hood
> guy in hat - sandman?
>
>
> Spectre (with nipples!)
> Flash
> Hawkman
> Hawkgirl
> Doctor Fate
>
> Green Lantern
>
> Guy in yellow hood
> guy in green cape with yellow moon over eye
> woman in black leather
> guy in green with red hood and FAIR on his gut
Found it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93854342@N00/4127530566/
Syvyn11
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-93E4B...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Star Spangled Kid?
>> Wildcat? in black
>> guy in yellow with red suspenders and blue hood
>> guy in hat - sandman?
>>
>>
>> Spectre (with nipples!)
>> Flash
>> Hawkman
>> Hawkgirl
>> Doctor Fate
>>
>> Green Lantern
>>
>> Guy in yellow hood
>> guy in green cape with yellow moon over eye
>> woman in black leather
>> guy in green with red hood and FAIR on his gut
>
> Found it:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/93854342@N00/4127530566/
In current DCU continuity
1. Star-Spangled Kid (Sylvester Pemberton)- Dead, but a new Star Spangled
Kid is running around. was a member of the JSA in the 70. Former member
of the Seven Soiders of Victory.
2. Wildcat (Ted Grant)- Still alive. Is retconed to have nine lives. He
is on life 6. His superpowered son, who can turn into a were-cat is also
in JSA
3. The Atom (Al Pratt)- Died during Zero Hour. Work now carried on by
Nuklon, nephew.
4. Sandman (Wesley Dodds)- Died in JSA #1 (collected in Justice Be Done).
Work now carried on by former sidekick Sand.
5. The Spectre (Jim Corrigan)- ? Right now, Jim Corrigan has gone to his
reward for being the sprit of God's vengance. Former Gotham City detective
Crispus Allen houses the cruel avenging angel.
6. The Flash (Jay Garrick)- Member of JSA and mentor to all DCU speedsters
7. Hawkman (Carter Hall)- Dead (as part of the Darkest Night mini series),
but sure to get better afterwards.
8. Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders Hall)- See above
9. Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)- Not to clear right now. Kent Nelson is long
dead. But another Kent V. Nelson has taken the Helm of Fate.
10. Green Lantern (Alan Scott)- Leader of the JSA. Former White King of
Checkmate. Elder statesman of the Heroes of the DCU.
11. Hourman (Rex Tyler)- Died in Zero Hour. Replaced by a robot from the
853rd century (when Action Comics 1,000,000 would be published). Then
replaced by Rex's son, Rick. Rick and the android managed to remove Rex
from the timestream before his death, by having the Android replace him in
his, Atom and Dr. Mid-Nite's final battle with the evil Extant. Rex now
stands in reserve while Rick serves in the JSA.
12. Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider)- After blinded in a accident, Dr.
McNider developed goggles that help him see in the infra-red scale. Work is
carried on by Dr. Pieter Cross (spelling correct).
13. Black Canary (Dinah Drake Lance)- Dead. Work carried on by daughter
Dinah Lance AKA Black Canary.
14. Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)- Killed by a possessed Jay Garrick by the
evil Sprit King. Work carried on by Michael Holt (remember Lois saying she
interviewed him). Holt has served as former leader of JSA.
Notable members not pictured. Batman, Superman, Starman, Wonder Woman
(sectary, sexist I know, but it was the 40s), Johnny Thunder.
And let's not open the can of worms of Liberty Belle (I and II), Johnny
Quick, Huntress, Infinity Inc. and Power Girl.
On the second thought.... Let's open that Power Girl can. might make a
good episode.
Professor Bubba
<robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On the second thought.... Let's open that Power Girl can. might make a
> good episode.
Make it in 3-D, too.
Syvyn11
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Call me a pervert if you have to. But I prefer the Wally Wood zaftig
version of the character. Right cushion for better pushin'.
Anim8rFSK
> 13. Black Canary (Dinah Drake Lance)- Dead. Work carried on by daughter
> Dinah Lance AKA Black Canary.
I was surprised to see her in there given that they have a Dinah Lance
Black Canary in Smallville's JLA.
T987654321
just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
Syvyn11
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <SPGdnW83KafUpfPW...@earthlink.com>,
> "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> 13. Black Canary (Dinah Drake Lance)- Dead. Work carried on by daughter
>> Dinah Lance AKA Black Canary.
>
> I was surprised to see her in there given that they have a Dinah Lance
> Black Canary in Smallville's JLA.
I was just given what (semi-) current status in the DCU, not in the
Smallville-verse.
This is going to take some explaining.
The Golden Age BC joined the JSA near it's titles end (all star comics).
During one of the first team ups between the JLA/JSA her husband Detective
Larry Drake died and left Black Canary unknowingly near death. Having
nothing left on her earth (earth 2), she decided to move to earth 1 (JLA's
earth). When Dr. Fate transported her across the dimensional void of
Limbo, her injuries came forth. That's when Dr. Fate revealed that she and
Drake had a daughter, due to a attack by The Fiddler left the newborn with a
deafening 'sonic cry', unable to stop and would soon destroy the earth.
Dr. Fate left the young child in a spell of suspended animation and put her
in limbo and removed memories of the daughter from the Drakes minds. At
the time of her imminent death, the older Drake saw that her Daughter had
grew to adulthood. BC asked Dr. Fate to put her memories into her
daughter's mind. Thinking that she could control the 'sonic cry'. Dr.
Fate granted his teammate her final wish. Also removed memories, so the
younger Dinah didn't know about what her parents did. As far as she knew,
she was the golden aged Black Canary. When she arrived on Earth 1, she
joined the JLA and found out she had a powerful 'sonic scream'. But since
Dr. Fate induced amnesia, Fate and the rest of the JLA thought it was either
a side effect of the attack that killed her 'husband' (she didn't know he
was his father) or the transfer to the other earth. Soon after, she
started a relationship with Green Arrow.
They have since retconed it to have the younger Dinah take over for her
mother when mom and dad died. Still having the sonic scream due to a meta
gene.
Now that's a can of worms.
Syvyn11
"T987654321" <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
> just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
This is a another can of worms.
See, to full explain it. I have to explain earth 1 and earth 2, the
flashes of two worlds and a lot of other crap.
Kinda short. Alan Scott's ring and battery is not the same as the ones
used by the GLC. In the Golden Age origin, Alan Scott was a train
engineer, when Nazis loyalists derailed the train he was on, he found a
green power battery. The battery told him to craft a ring out of it's
metal.
The lamp told of it's origin. That a Chinese empour captured something
called the "Starheart" within that lamp. The starheart told him that it
would flash three times. First time will bring death. Second time will
bring life. Third time will bring power.
100 years later, the lamp was stolen and used by thieves to attack villages.
The lamp flashed. Killing all the thieves. 500 years later, during a
plague, the lamp flashed again, curing all that were ill. In 1940, after
Alan crafter his ring, the lamp flashed again, powering the ring. Giving
it power over everything but wood.
Over the years, Alan absorbed the starheart's power. Eventually not
needing the ring anymore. in the 90s the Starheart made him young again
when the ring was destroyed or so he thought. The powers the ring gave
him, were now internalized. He renamed himself Sentinel.
After a while, when the vile wizard Modreu removed the starheart from Alan's
chest, causing him to revert to a 90 year old man. When Jay Garrick
returned the heart to his chest, it reverted Alan to a man in his 60s and
allowed him to generate a new power ring and retaking the mantel of Green
Lantern. While the power is still internalized within Alan, he focuses it
from the ring. The lamp in now useless.
Maybe in Smallville-verse, the ring and lamp are symbolic. Alan Scott is
still alive and still has the power of his ring.
Not to be confused with the Green Lantern Corps. While the Guardians of
the Universe know of Alan Scott's exploits as GL, he has always upheld the
mission of the GLC. And is considered by many in the Corps as a honorary
member especially by the other earthmen who are GLs (Hal Jordan, Guy
Gardner, John Stewart and Kyle Raynor).
Tom
> How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
> just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
I don't believe they said Alan Scott was dead in the Smallville ep.
Also, Alan Scott's ring and lantern are magic based, whereas Hal
Jordan and the rest of the Green Lantern Corps' rings and lanterns,
aka power batteries, are science/technology based.
Tom
Anim8rFSK
<a37aaa1d-edc0-4efb...@y7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
T987654321 <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
> just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
Scott's not dead; they said he was still out there. And Alan Scott's
ring works very differently than the standard issue Green Lantern ring.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article <SPGdnW83KafUpfPW...@earthlink.com>,
> "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> 13. Black Canary (Dinah Drake Lance)- Dead. Work carried on by daughter
>> Dinah Lance AKA Black Canary.
>
>I was surprised to see her in there given that they have a Dinah Lance
>Black Canary in Smallville's JLA.
They never actually named her or referenced her in any other way
beyond that picture...it might be setting up a future BC ep that will
explain the existence of a golden age version but, more likely, it was
just a throw-away nod to the comics.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article
><a37aaa1d-edc0-4efb...@y7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> T987654321 <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
>> just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
>
>Scott's not dead; they said he was still out there. And Alan Scott's
>ring works very differently than the standard issue Green Lantern ring.
Right...even if he were dead, his ring wouldn't seek out a new bearer
the way the other GL rings would.
T987654321
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:58:42 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><a37aaa1d-edc0-4efb-975b-55f5d65fa...@y7g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
> > T987654321 <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
> >> just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
>
> >Scott's not dead; they said he was still out there. And Alan Scott's
> >ring works very differently than the standard issue Green Lantern ring.
>
> Right...even if he were dead, his ring wouldn't seek out a new bearer
> the way the other GL rings would.
Never even heard of that version, but then I never liked comics much.
Mbruno
> In article <SPGdnW83KafUpfPWnZ2dnUVZ_qGdn...@earthlink.com>,
>
> "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 13. Black Canary (Dinah Drake Lance)- Dead. Work carried on by daughter
> > Dinah Lance AKA Black Canary.
>
> I was surprised to see her in there given that they have a Dinah Lance
> Black Canary in Smallville's JLA.
Geoff Johns said in an interview that one of his original ideas for
"Absolute Justice" was to have both Dinah Drake and Dinah Lance on the
show and do the whole mother/daughter relationship thing.
Unfortunately, Alaina Huffman was not available to play the modern
Black Canary, so he had to give it up.
David Milligan
When I started reading Green Lantern, the story was that an alien GL
crashed landed on Earth, and as he was dying he passed the ring to Hal
Jordan. I think he had to be approved by the Guardians (?).
--
David E.
http://daviderl31.blogspot.com/
http://daviderl.com/EricaDurance.html
Syvyn11
"David Milligan" <david...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That origin had to be tweaked several times. Originally, Hal Jordan
worked without knowledge from the Guardians of the Universe. In a few
stories, he was contacted by the GotUs, only to forget about the blue guys
afterwards. Later, he was brought in as a full member with duties in the
corps.
Later retcons had Jordan go directly to Oa upon getting the ring. And
starting his training under Kilowog. From there, either Jordan destroyed
a creature once captured by the guardians or he uncovered Sinestro's
dictatorial control of his sector of the galaxy.
J R Laredo
"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
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Might put an eye out.
BC
"T987654321" <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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*Yep, this whole thing sounds like the Pokemon obsession. Smellville
started with freaks being a problem IN the show -- then the freaks came from
OUTSIDE the show -- now the freaks WATCH the show. Ugh. Fortunately for us
humans, this obsession didn't exist in the 19th Century, or if it had,
Charles Darwin may have stayed at home cataloging, analyzing and quantifying
his fantasies.
grinningdemon
That's more or less the origin of the Silver Age GL Hal Jordan who is
part of a corps of GLs that are essentially space cops with each
assigned to patrol a certain sector of space...when they die, their
rings are passed on to others and they answer to the Guardians of the
Universe.
Alan Scott, the Golden Age GL, was never a part of all
that...originally, he was from an alternate earth where there was no
GL Corps as were all of the JSA (though that is no longer the
case)...they even had their own version of Batman, Superman, and
Wonder Woman as members (though all this has been retconned out now
they they all come from the same earth)...Alan's ring has a similar
power source to the other GLs but it is unique and unconnected to the
others...it leans more toward the magical and he is generally more
powerful than other GLs...his ring is weak against wood (stupid, I
know but it was the 40s) whereas the other GL rings were weak against
yellow (at least they used to be but that is no longer the case).
Arthur Lipscomb
"Mbruno" <br...@ele.ita.br> wrote in message
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> On 7 fev, 02:13, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>> In article <SPGdnW83KafUpfPWnZ2dnUVZ_qGdn...@earthlink.com>,
>>
>> "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > 13. Black Canary (Dinah Drake Lance)- Dead. Work carried on by
>> > daughter
>> > Dinah Lance AKA Black Canary.
>>
>> I was surprised to see her in there given that they have a Dinah Lance
>> Black Canary in Smallville's JLA.
>
>
> Geoff Johns said in an interview that one of his original ideas for
> "Absolute Justice" was to have both Dinah Drake and Dinah Lance on the
> show and do the whole mother/daughter relationship thing.
> Unfortunately, Alaina Huffman was not available to play the modern
> Black Canary, so he had to give it up.
>>
Darn, that sounds interesting. They couldn't just recast the role?
Arthur Lipscomb
"David Milligan" <david...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
That's the *only* version of Green Lantern I've ever heard of. All of this
Earth 1 and 2 stuff is too much for me. You need to have spent the last 30
years reading 40 different comic continuities to keep track of it all. I'll
make do with what I learned from watching Super Friends and Justice League.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Alan's ring has a similar
> power source to the other GLs but it is unique and unconnected to the
> others...it leans more toward the magical and he is generally more
> powerful than other GLs...his ring is weak against wood (stupid, I
> know but it was the 40s) whereas the other GL rings were weak against
> yellow (at least they used to be but that is no longer the case).
I like the bit about "Alan Scott is vulnerable to wood, and Hal Jordan
is vulnerable to yellow? I could kill both these guys with a number two
pencil!"
Anim8rFSK
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
They should have, rather than blow a plot point. Guess she's on that
Stargate SGU crapfest, and using her maiden name again.
grinningdemon
I agree that there are a lot of complicated things in the comics but
this one isn't all that complicated...it's two completely different
and seperate characters who both happen to go by Green Lantern...and
Alan Scott came first...and beats the hell out of Hal Jordan, in my
opinion.
David Johnston
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
Hal Jordan wasn't the Green Lantern in Justice League. (Except for 10
minutes during the Chronos episode)
Professor Bubba
<jrlar...@comcastREMOVETHIS.net> wrote:
Reminds me of the ad campaign for some Jane Russell movie about sixty
years ago: "See Jane Russell in 3-D! She'll put BOTH your eyes out!"
J R Laredo
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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At one point retconned that the weakness was psychological: on Alan Scott's
first day on the job he got clocked with a wooden billy club. Since the
ring power is a matter of will, he had subconciously associated the wood of
the club to failure, so his constructs wouldn't work against wood.
Something similar retconned at the same time with Hal Jordan.
Syvyn11
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <09mtm55pb0bk24p1n...@4ax.com>,
> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan's ring has a similar
>> power source to the other GLs but it is unique and unconnected to the
>> others...it leans more toward the magical and he is generally more
>> powerful than other GLs...his ring is weak against wood (stupid, I
>> know but it was the 40s) whereas the other GL rings were weak against
>> yellow (at least they used to be but that is no longer the case).
>
> I like the bit about "Alan Scott is vulnerable to wood, and Hal Jordan
> is vulnerable to yellow? I could kill both these guys with a number two
> pencil!"
Used to. While Alan still has a weakness with wood (some retcons had it as
a psychosomatic response to being felled to a wooden stick after donning his
GL ring). The GLCs weakness to yellow has been totally retconed out, with
yellow being the color of fear. And GLs have the ability to overcome great
fear. The yellow weakness was the evil spirit Parallax being housed in the
main power battery.
Syvyn11
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in message
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The book that can help you is "The Golden Age" by James Robinson. It can
give you what happens in the rewritten history.
Simply put, there were a infinite amount of universes. Then reduced to two
(matter and anti-matter). Then with the comic '52' and 'infinite crisis'
the number rebooted to a multi-verse of 52 universes. A earth where DCU
stories take place and 51 more. Including (supposedly) a Smallville
universe.
>
grinningdemon
wrote:
Smallville is a part of the new DCU multiverse? When was that
established?
Arthur Lipscomb
"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Many years ago I purchased a book on Marvel comics. Not exactly an
encyclopedia but good enough (at the time, it must be hopelessly outdated
today). Whenever I'm in a book store I'm always on the look out for a good
encyclopedia on DC (and to a lesser degree Marvel) comics. But I've never
actually purchased one.
grinningdemon
In the last couple years, DK books has released comprehensive
Encyclopedias for both DC and Marvel...in fact, they just re-released
an updated DC edition...they're not perfect but, if you're just
looking for an overview of each, they're pretty good.
Anim8rFSK
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
Earth 1 and Earth 2 go back to "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, and
they've been gone since 1985, more's the pity.
Harold Groot
The wikipedia articles are generally pretty good at this sort of
thing. For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern (and the various links
therein.)
The great thing about wiki is that it gets updated quite quickly. And
if you spot an error, YOU can update it!
Syvyn11
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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at last count there were about 10 universes that were 'undetermined', some
writers (robinson, johns) at conventions hinted that there COULD be a
Smallville universe.
COULD!
Syvyn11
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in message
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With the upcoming convention season, DC is about to announce a new "Who's
Who in The DCU". It would be a limited series. It was last
published/updated in the early 90s. First published in 1985 as part of DC's
50th anniversary. Also as a companion to Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>
George Chen
wrote:
> Many years ago I purchased a book on Marvel comics. Not exactly an
> encyclopedia but good enough (at the time, it must be hopelessly outdated
> today).
The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe?
> Whenever I'm in a book store I'm always on the look out for a good
> encyclopedia on DC (and to a lesser degree Marvel) comics. But I've never
> actually purchased one.
DC Universe Who's Who?
There are much more editions of the former in print than the latter.
The latter may never have been put out in a trade paperback version.
Martin
Arthur Lipscomb
"George Chen" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 8, 2:14 am, "Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Many years ago I purchased a book on Marvel comics. Not exactly an
>> encyclopedia but good enough (at the time, it must be hopelessly outdated
>> today).
>
> The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe?
Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics
http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Fabulous-Decades-Worlds-Greatest/dp/0810938219/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265640091&sr=8-1
It was published in 1991, so I doubt if *too* much has changed in the Marvel
universe since then. Right?
BC
"Professor Bubba" <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote in message
I sold Jane booze when I was in college -- she would buy one gallon each of
white and red Cribari -- so she left with four jugs.
Anim8rFSK
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics
> http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Fabulous-Decades-Worlds-Greatest/dp/0810938219/re
> f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265640091&sr=8-1
>
> It was published in 1991, so I doubt if *too* much has changed in the Marvel
> universe since then. Right?
Sarcasm. It's an ugly, ugly thing.
:)
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Notable members not pictured. Batman, Superman, Starman, Wonder Woman
> (sectary, sexist I know, but it was the 40s), Johnny Thunder.
>
> And let's not open the can of worms of Liberty Belle (I and II),
> Johnny Quick, Huntress, Infinity Inc. and Power Girl.
The Red Tornado (Ma Hunkel) was in the newsreel footage.
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Bill Steele
"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kinda short. Alan Scott's ring and battery is not the same as the ones
> used by the GLC. In the Golden Age origin, Alan Scott was a train
> engineer, when Nazis loyalists derailed the train he was on, he found a
> green power battery. The battery told him to craft a ring out of it's
> metal.
>
> The lamp told of it's origin. That a Chinese empour captured something
> called the "Starheart" within that lamp. The starheart told him that it
> would flash three times. First time will bring death. Second time will
> bring life. Third time will bring power.
>
> 100 years later, the lamp was stolen and used by thieves to attack villages.
> The lamp flashed. Killing all the thieves. 500 years later, during a
> plague, the lamp flashed again, curing all that were ill. In 1940, after
> Alan crafter his ring, the lamp flashed again, powering the ring. Giving
> it power over everything but wood.
A few nitpicks:
Nobody back then ever said "power battery." It was a lantern, hence the
name. (The whole Silver Age idea of calling a power battery a "lantern"
was torturous.)
The lantern never told him to do anything, except in retcon. He
discovered he had power when holding it, but carrying the lantern around
was kind of inconvenient, so he made the ring.
Not just wood. Non-metals (though most often it happened to be wood). I
wish they'd kept that. The yellow thing is silly.
Aside: the whole idea of Solomon Grundy was that he was made out of
wood, hence a nemesis for GL. Nowadays he has no raison d'etre.
Anim8rFSK
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
If the vulnerability to wood was really all in Scott's mind, you have to
wonder if Woody Harrelson would have been a worthy nemesis. Or at least
Woody Strode.
William George Ferguson
Although as history, it's been retconned back in. Power Girl knows that
her real name is Kara Zor-L, and that she comes from the now non-existent
Earth-2. She's not quite as powerful as Kara Zor-El (Supergirl), but on
the other hand, Earth-2 kryptonite is real hard to find nowadays (and
Earth-1 kryptonite is just a glowing green rock to her). (I know that they
have occasionally shown her as as powerful as or more powerful than
Supergirl, but that's the power of narrative at work)
--
"Oh Buffy, you really do need to have
every square inch of your ass kicked."
- Willow Rosenberg
Anim8rFSK
And neither of them is remotely as powerful as the real Silver Age
Supergirl who showed up there briefly towards the end of one of her
books runs . . . damn, I wish they'd kept her.
grinningdemon
Ken Arromdee
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>That's the *only* version of Green Lantern I've ever heard of. All of this
>Earth 1 and 2 stuff is too much for me. You need to have spent the last 30
>years reading 40 different comic continuities to keep track of it all. I'll
>make do with what I learned from watching Super Friends and Justice League.
You don't actually need to know anything about Earth-2 to understand this
show--because Earth-2 made no difference whatsoever in any of the characters
shown, except for a bit with Black Canary, who didn't really appear anyway.
The Green Lantern from this show is the older one from the 1940's, who has
a different origin than the modern Green Lanterns who started in the 1960's.
That's all that matters.
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
Obi-wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."
Ken Arromdee
Syvyn11 <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The book that can help you is "The Golden Age" by James Robinson. It can
>give you what happens in the rewritten history.
Um, that book isn't even in continuity.
Ken Arromdee
Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe?
>Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics
>http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Fabulous-Decades-Worlds-Greatest/dp/0810938219/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265640091&sr=8-1
>
>It was published in 1991, so I doubt if *too* much has changed in the Marvel
>universe since then. Right?
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe has been released in updated versions
in the past few years and is available as a set of hardcovers.
A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
grinningdemon
Arromdee) wrote:
>In article <VfCdnZdct-GdZvPW...@earthlink.com>,
>Syvyn11 <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>The book that can help you is "The Golden Age" by James Robinson. It can
>>give you what happens in the rewritten history.
>
>Um, that book isn't even in continuity.
It wasn't supposed to be but it pretty much is now...a lot of the
stuff Robinson did in Starman was based on it and the current
incarnation of the JSA followed from Starman...much like Kingdom Come
was just another Elseworlds but has now been linked to the regular
DCU.
Anim8rFSK
arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> In article <hkp818$trn$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> >> The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe?
> >Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics
> >http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Fabulous-Decades-Worlds-Greatest/dp/0810938219/r
> >ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265640091&sr=8-1
> >
> >It was published in 1991, so I doubt if *too* much has changed in the Marvel
> >universe since then. Right?
>
> Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe has been released in updated
> versions
> in the past few years and is available as a set of hardcovers.
>
> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article <hkq6p5$mpq$3...@blue.rahul.net>,
> arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>
>> In article <hkp818$trn$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> >> The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe?
>> >Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics
>> >http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Fabulous-Decades-Worlds-Greatest/dp/0810938219/r
>> >ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265640091&sr=8-1
>> >
>> >It was published in 1991, so I doubt if *too* much has changed in the Marvel
>> >universe since then. Right?
>>
>> Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe has been released in updated
>> versions
>> in the past few years and is available as a set of hardcovers.
>>
>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
>
>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
And, if you look at DC, the Brand New Day type bullshit happens all
the freakin' time.
Syvyn11
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:6r51n5p0gj5ltlekh...@4ax.com...
You can't have your heroes too powerful.
grinningdemon
wrote:
I'm just saying...as weaknesses go, yellow is no sillier than
wood...they are both ridiculous.
Christopher M.
It's not that ridiculous. Objects are yellow if they don't reflect yellow
light and instead absorb it, such as Poohs. The lantern works on objects
that reflect yellow light, objects that don't absorb yellow light. Pooh
bears are immune to the effects of lanterns.
W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
Teckla
news:j1m1n5trt261qbche...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:18:34 -0500, "Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
> I'm just saying...as weaknesses go, yellow is no sillier than
> wood...they are both ridiculous.
>
As Raj said on The Big Bang Theory, you could take both GLs out with with a
#2 yellow pencil.
Default User
> It's not that ridiculous. Objects are yellow if they don't reflect
> yellow light and instead absorb it, such as Poohs.
Um, no. That's backwards.
Brian
--
Day 372 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
Ken Arromdee
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
except the Spiderman characters.
Bill Steele
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >Not just wood. Non-metals (though most often it happened to be wood). I
> >wish they'd kept that. The yellow thing is silly.
>
> And wood isn't silly?
Wood is silly. Non-metals is (sort of) reasonable. The convenient aspect
of that was that bullets bounced off him.
~consul
> just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
He's not, at least not in Smallville. S/he must be one of the 18 or so that are still alive but retired. It must not be part of the intergalactic police force either, as I believe the original GL (alan??) was just a lantern finder who got power from it.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
Syvyn11
"Teckla" <tec...@email.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9D1A5CD5F375C...@216.168.3.70...
Actually not anymore. Hal Jordan's (and the other member of the GLC) power
battery no longer have impurity of yellow due to Parallax being removed.
So the rings now only have the limit the wearer's willpower.
As Mr. Scott, the wood is more psychologically problem. and could stop the
lead in the tip of the pencil.
grinningdemon
Arromdee) wrote:
>In article <ANIM8Rfsk-B32CA...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
>>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
>>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
>>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
>
>That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
>It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
>except the Spiderman characters.
It sure as hell changed more than one or two things...20 years of
Spiderman continuity went straight down the toilet...and it reaches
out to affect others too...then Avengers (which Spidey is a member)
and, if nothing else, it profoundly alters Norman Osborn's history and
motivations and he is probably THE central figure of the Marvel
Universe at the moment.
grinningdemon
Until they use the ring to pick up a rock and drop it on your yellow
ass.
David Johnston
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC), arro...@rahul.net (Ken
>Arromdee) wrote:
>
>>In article <ANIM8Rfsk-B32CA...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
>>>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
>>>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
>>>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
>>
>>That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
>>It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
>>except the Spiderman characters.
>
>It sure as hell changed more than one or two things...20 years of
>Spiderman continuity went straight down the toilet...and it reaches
>out to affect others too...then Avengers (which Spidey is a member)
It makes no difference to any other member of the Avengers.
>and, if nothing else, it profoundly alters Norman Osborn's history and
>motivations and he is probably THE central figure of the Marvel
>Universe at the moment.
Really? I don't recall him having much of a connection to Mary Jane.
Anim8rFSK
arro...@rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-B32CA...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
> >> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
> >> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
> >Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
>
> That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
> It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
> except the Spiderman characters.
It counts as a BAM sweeping change and not a gradual one, and it affects
all the Spider characters, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the
Thunderbolts, DareDevil . . .
Anim8rFSK
~consul <con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:
> and thus T987654321 inscribed ...
> > How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
> > just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
>
> He's not, at least not in Smallville. S/he must be one of the 18 or so that
> are still alive but retired.
They said he was, yes.
It must not be part of the intergalactic police
> force either, as I believe the original GL (alan??) was just a lantern finder
> who got power from it.
--
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC), arro...@rahul.net (Ken
> Arromdee) wrote:
>
> >In article <ANIM8Rfsk-B32CA...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> >Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
> >>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
> >>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
> >>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
> >
> >That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
> >It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
> >except the Spiderman characters.
>
> It sure as hell changed more than one or two things...20 years of
More like 40, given that it reaches back and screws stuff up to at least
1973, although JMS's pile of garbage called Sins Past is equally to
blame.
> Spiderman continuity went straight down the toilet...and it reaches
> out to affect others too...then Avengers (which Spidey is a member)
> and, if nothing else, it profoundly alters Norman Osborn's history and
> motivations and he is probably THE central figure of the Marvel
> Universe at the moment.
What he said.
Anim8rFSK
David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
She used to date his son, and Norman stole her baby and faked it's death.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:39:07 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC), arro...@rahul.net (Ken
>>Arromdee) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ANIM8Rfsk-B32CA...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
>>>>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
>>>>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
>>>>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
>>>
>>>That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
>>>It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
>>>except the Spiderman characters.
>>
>>It sure as hell changed more than one or two things...20 years of
>>Spiderman continuity went straight down the toilet...and it reaches
>>out to affect others too...then Avengers (which Spidey is a member)
>
>It makes no difference to any other member of the Avengers.
Have you actually read the book lately? It totally alters a large
portion of the current Avengers series if no one remembers who Spidey
is...furthermore, he, Aunt May, and MJ were all living with them for
quite a while so any story involving any of them is out.
>>and, if nothing else, it profoundly alters Norman Osborn's history and
>>motivations and he is probably THE central figure of the Marvel
>>Universe at the moment.
>
>Really? I don't recall him having much of a connection to Mary Jane.
The changes are hardly limited to MJ (although that aspect alone makes
a much bigger difference than you seem to think)...no one remembers
Peter is Spidey...even people who have known for decades...like Norman
Osborn...almost everything he's done as the Goblin going back to some
of the earliest stories has been dictated by his knowledge of Spidey's
identity...take that away and you fundamentally alter all those
stories and everything leading out of them.
grinningdemon
wrote:
What he said...and I have a horrible feeling, based on comments on the
letter page of ASM, that she'll soon be dating his son again...which
is a really awful idea for many reasons.
David Johnston
wrote:
>In article <a0u3n5perom480c70...@4ax.com>,
Wouldn't have changed.
>and Norman stole her baby and faked it's death.
Oh was that Norman? But no, they changed their mind about that.
Christopher M.
Well there goes the whole yellow thing. Geez. Pooh needs some oatmeal
bastard cookies.
http://www.recipezaar.com/Oatmeal-bastard-Cookies-222787
Anim8rFSK
David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
I didn't say it would; you said they didn't have much of a connection.
Frankly, I'd be amazed if they didn't sleep together, given that MJ is
pretty much of a slut (certainly way more than we ever thought Gwen was)
and Norman has a pretty good track record with Harry and Peter's GFs.
>
> >and Norman stole her baby and faked it's death.
>
> Oh was that Norman? But no, they changed their mind about that.
Actually we don't know what they did about that. Norman stole the baby,
which may or may not be dead, or at this point may or may not have ever
existed. And the daughter Mephisto showed them after they closed the
deal may or may not have been her.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Not the least of which is he's a dead man walking ... and of course it
begs the question, does MJ remember (which would make it even creepier)
and what was that little extra she asked Mephisto for?
David Johnston
wrote:
And I don't consider that much of a connection.
>> >and Norman stole her baby and faked it's death.
>>
>> Oh was that Norman? But no, they changed their mind about that.
>
>Actually we don't know what they did about that. Norman stole the baby,
>which may or may not be dead, or at this point may or may not have ever
>existed.
In short, it didn't make a difference.
David Johnston
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:05:34 GMT, David Johnston <da...@block.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:39:07 -0600, grinningdemon
>><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC), arro...@rahul.net (Ken
>>>Arromdee) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <ANIM8Rfsk-B32CA...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> A lot of things have changed in the MU but it's pretty much the usual
>>>>>> gradual changes from everyone writing new stories that change one or two
>>>>>> things, which comics have had to deal with for a while.
>>>>>Ahem. Spider-Man? Brand New Day?
>>>>
>>>>That counts as "everone writing stories that change one or two things."
>>>>It's just a particularly hated example, but it's doesn't really affect anyone
>>>>except the Spiderman characters.
>>>
>>>It sure as hell changed more than one or two things...20 years of
>>>Spiderman continuity went straight down the toilet...and it reaches
>>>out to affect others too...then Avengers (which Spidey is a member)
>>
>>It makes no difference to any other member of the Avengers.
>
>Have you actually read the book lately? It totally alters a large
>portion of the current Avengers series if no one remembers who Spidey
>is...
How?
furthermore, he, Aunt May, and MJ were all living with them for
>quite a while so any story involving any of them is out.
<shrug> Who cares? Them living with the Avengers didn't make a
difference to anything.
>
>>>and, if nothing else, it profoundly alters Norman Osborn's history and
>>>motivations and he is probably THE central figure of the Marvel
>>>Universe at the moment.
>>
>>Really? I don't recall him having much of a connection to Mary Jane.
>
>The changes are hardly limited to MJ (although that aspect alone makes
>a much bigger difference than you seem to think)...no one remembers
>Peter is Spidey...even people who have known for decades...like Norman
>Osborn...almost everything he's done as the Goblin going back to some
>of the earliest stories has been dictated by his knowledge of Spidey's
>identity...take that away and you fundamentally alter all those
>stories and everything leading out of them.
Gwen Stacy aside, none of them had anything leading out of them. And
the Goblin still could have killed her. Thanks to another
ill-conceived story previous to OMD, he had a motive.
Bill Steele
"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > As Raj said on The Big Bang Theory, you could take both GLs out with with
> > a
> > #2 yellow pencil.
>
> Actually not anymore. Hal Jordan's (and the other member of the GLC) power
> battery no longer have impurity of yellow due to Parallax being removed.
> So the rings now only have the limit the wearer's willpower.
>
> As Mr. Scott, the wood is more psychologically problem. and could stop the
> lead in the tip of the pencil.
>
Again, not wood. "Non-metals." The "lead" in a pencil isn't lead.
Graphite mixed with clay.
Bill Steele
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
> > > just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
> >
> > He's not, at least not in Smallville. S/he must be one of the 18 or so that
> > are still alive but retired.
>
> They said he was, yes.
In true, unretconned Golden Age, which is what this story seemed to
reflect,
They had to keep him out of this story because he could have clobbered
the bad guy with one wave of his hand.
David Johnston
wrote:
>In article <ANIM8Rfsk-0B1A0...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
Well so could Clark or Fate, if it comes to that.
Syvyn11
"Bill Steele" <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:ws21-6912E4.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu...
But cannon is Wood.
grinningdemon
wrote:
Don't even joke...Gwen was bad enough...MJ was always a party girl but
that doesn't necessarily translate to slut.
grinningdemon
wrote:
We'll probably never know because, while they still like to screw
around with the new status quo, there have been very few direct
references to the deal they made...I don't think Marvel wants to call
more attention to the fact that their most popular character made a
deal with the devil.
grinningdemon
wrote:
Well, quite a bit of stories where they all know his identity and hang
out outside of the costume didn't happen.
>furthermore, he, Aunt May, and MJ were all living with them for
>>quite a while so any story involving any of them is out.
>
><shrug> Who cares? Them living with the Avengers didn't make a
>difference to anything.
Except, once again, any Avengers stories or plotlines involving
Avengers where they appeared can no longer have happened...for
example, Aunt May can no longer have dated Skrull Jarvis (although
that one being gone doesn't bother me) and MJ can no longer have been
publicly suspected of having an affair with Tony Stark because she was
seen enter Avengers tower (where she was living)...both were
significant plotlines that lasted for some time...there was also a
subplot with Wolverine hitting on MJ and Spidey being Iron Man's right
hand man...all out the window...not the mention that, in the new
continuity, the Parker family was apparently living in a cardboard box
in May's backyard after her house was destroyed since they can no
longer have lived in Avengers Tower.
>>>>and, if nothing else, it profoundly alters Norman Osborn's history and
>>>>motivations and he is probably THE central figure of the Marvel
>>>>Universe at the moment.
>>>
>>>Really? I don't recall him having much of a connection to Mary Jane.
>>
>>The changes are hardly limited to MJ (although that aspect alone makes
>>a much bigger difference than you seem to think)...no one remembers
>>Peter is Spidey...even people who have known for decades...like Norman
>>Osborn...almost everything he's done as the Goblin going back to some
>>of the earliest stories has been dictated by his knowledge of Spidey's
>>identity...take that away and you fundamentally alter all those
>>stories and everything leading out of them.
>
>Gwen Stacy aside, none of them had anything leading out of them. And
>the Goblin still could have killed her. Thanks to another
>ill-conceived story previous to OMD, he had a motive.
Really? There was a long running plot where Peter's parents returned
only to ultimately be revealed as impostors...Norman was ultimately
behind it because he knew Spidey's ID...Norman was also the one
ultimately responsible for the Clone Saga and directly responsible for
it's conclusion (including the death of Ben Reilly), all because he
knew the ID...those two plotlines alone constitute several years of
Spiderman stories that can now no longer have happened the same
way...I would call that significant...even Sins Past cannot have
happened the same way...Norman still knocked up Gwen but he can no
longer have sent the kids after Peter by lying to them about his being
their father...almost every Spiderman story involving Norman since the
60s has involved him targeting Peter Parker rather than
Spiderman...and, aside for Gwen, that is either all gone or no longer
makes the slightest bit of sense.
David Johnston
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
And this matters...why?
>
>>furthermore, he, Aunt May, and MJ were all living with them for
>>>quite a while so any story involving any of them is out.
>>
>><shrug> Who cares? Them living with the Avengers didn't make a
>>difference to anything.
>
>Except, once again, any Avengers stories or plotlines involving
>Avengers where they appeared can no longer have happened...for
>example, Aunt May can no longer have dated Skrull Jarvis (although
>that one being gone doesn't bother me) and MJ can no longer have been
>publicly suspected of having an affair with Tony Stark because she was
>seen enter Avengers tower (where she was living)...both were
>significant plotlines that lasted for some time...
And then they were over, having left no lasting mark. The fact is
most of Spider-Man's life means nothing. How can it? He has 50 years
of life in the comics and he's maybe 30 years old, probably younger
now. With all due respect to the...ah...dedicated fans of Marvel
comic books, Marvel's history is as stretchy and bendy as the
omnipresent spandex everyone's wearing. It is not delicate or brittle
and it doesn't shatter if you poke it.
Anim8rFSK
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
That's the big problem with the whole episode; before he got his hands
on the Fate helmet, damn near anybody involved should have been able
clobber him effortlessly.
grinningdemon
wrote:
You're suggestion is that no one outside of the Spiderman books has
been affected by Brand New Day and that is totally absurd...large
portions of other characters' histories from the Avengers (and all
over Marvel, actually) changed right along with it...you might not
think that matters but it doesn't make it any less true...and, for
someone who isn't an...ah...dedicated fan, you certainly seem to know
quite a bit about the characters and what's going on with them...or at
least you seem to think so.
>>>furthermore, he, Aunt May, and MJ were all living with them for
>>>>quite a while so any story involving any of them is out.
>>>
>>><shrug> Who cares? Them living with the Avengers didn't make a
>>>difference to anything.
>>
>>Except, once again, any Avengers stories or plotlines involving
>>Avengers where they appeared can no longer have happened...for
>>example, Aunt May can no longer have dated Skrull Jarvis (although
>>that one being gone doesn't bother me) and MJ can no longer have been
>>publicly suspected of having an affair with Tony Stark because she was
>>seen enter Avengers tower (where she was living)...both were
>>significant plotlines that lasted for some time...
>
>And then they were over, having left no lasting mark.
The clone saga is still being referenced in the books now...they just
finished an arc dealing with fallout from it...and Norman Osborn and
his connection to Spiderman is certainly relevant to the current
Marvel Universe and these changes have a profound affect on that.
The fact is
>most of Spider-Man's life means nothing. How can it? He has 50 years
>of life in the comics and he's maybe 30 years old, probably younger
>now.
It means something to the fans and the fans are really the only ones
that should matter when it comes to this kind of thing, don't you
think?
With all due respect to the...ah...dedicated fans of Marvel
>comic books, Marvel's history is as stretchy and bendy as the
>omnipresent spandex everyone's wearing. It is not delicate or brittle
>and it doesn't shatter if you poke it.
Normally, I agree you...I am not one to get all bent out of shape of
the tiniest details of continuity...but wiping out 20 years of a
character's history in a single stroke is pushing that a bit far and
it's exactly that kind of thing that does make the broader history of
Marvel "brittle"...just look at the clusterfuck DC has made of their
history by doing exactly this kind of thing.
Furthermore, I didn't even start reading Spiderman until the period
they have just retconned out...the Spiderman I grew up with died in
One More Day...more than continuity and history, I care about
characterization...and little things like heroes making deals with
devils and suddenly having their personalities and histories totally
altered (along with those of their entire supporting cast) kind of
piss me off...if that makes me an...ah...dedicated fan, I can live
with that.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article <ws21-99F8F6.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
> Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-0B1A0...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
>> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > How can Green Lantern be dead? Wouldn't lamp go back to the source or
>> > > > just select a new user? Instead it's sitting in a cabinet.
>> > >
>> > > He's not, at least not in Smallville. S/he must be one of the 18 or so
>> > > that
>> > > are still alive but retired.
>> >
>> > They said he was, yes.
>>
>> In true, unretconned Golden Age, which is what this story seemed to
>> reflect,
>>
>> They had to keep him out of this story because he could have clobbered
>> the bad guy with one wave of his hand.
>
>That's the big problem with the whole episode; before he got his hands
>on the Fate helmet, damn near anybody involved should have been able
>clobber him effortlessly.
I agree...having the big threat that brings all these heroes together
come from a single villain was ridiculous...unless we're talking about
someone like Mordru or Darkseid.
Unknown
"Teckla" <tec...@email.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9D1A5CD5F375C...@216.168.3.70...
> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in
> news:j1m1n5trt261qbche...@4ax.com:> <SNIP>
>>
>> I'm just saying...as weaknesses go, yellow is no sillier than
>> wood...they are both ridiculous.
>>
>
> a
> #2 yellow pencil.
Bazinga.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Or he'd gotten the Fate helmet in the beginning of the episode.
Bill Steele
"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Common usage may have degenerated it to wood, but what it said in the
original comic books was "non-metals." I don't accept Wikipedia as
canon.
Syvyn11
"Bill Steele" <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:ws21-343DDC.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu...
Neither do I. But I do accept long standing canon within DC comics.
grinningdemon
wrote:
True...but then there wouldn't have been any point in making him
Icickle at all.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
He could have been Icicle and killed Fate instead of whoever it was in
the alley at the beginning.
Of course, the problem there is, he shouldn't be able to kill Fate and
take the helmet in the first place; if you can, then being Fate isn't
that big a deal.
Bill Steele
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
Whether that was possible or not it would have screwed up the plot. Fate
had to be there to restore MM's powers and give Lois and Clark advice
about their future.
Anim8rFSK
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
Assuming they even remember MM got his powers back. I mean, they
completely forgot about Supergirl, who is, for Rao's sake, out there
searching for Kandor, which just showed up in Metropolis. You'd think
somebody would send for her.
David Cheatham
They should have at least killed Fate in a sneak attack when he wasn't
wearing his helmet. (He can't see his own fate, after all.) Random guy
on the street walks up and grows an icicle straight through his head.
That, at least, would be reasonable. Killing him in battle is just
idiotic.
Yeah, yeah, they wanted a 'sacrifice his life for others' story, but
that just doesn't make sense.
And, hell, they could have done it anyway, maybe he *had* to die to
save clark. While he supposedly can't see his own fate, possibly he can
see the fate of the *next* Fate, and he sees the next Fate eventually
kill Superman unless he dies right now.(1) Or something like that. They
could come up with some reason for him to sacrifice himself.
Instead, they took one of the most powerful people in the DC universe,
someone on who, honestly, Superman would have trouble taking down
*without* being vulnerable to magic, and had him killed by an idiot, in
full battle mode.
1) Sigh. If only we were willing to do actual flashforwards in this
show, and could have seen Supes, in full outfit, getting killed by the
next Fate. Possibly working for Checkmate. Wouldn't have to care much
about continuity, as, after all, Fate's sacrifice would have changed it.
Christopher M.
news:xn0gqgxzd...@news.windstream.net...
>
> They should have at least killed Fate in a sneak attack when he wasn't
> wearing his helmet. (He can't see his own fate, after all.) Random guy
> on the street walks up and grows an icicle straight through his head.
>
> That, at least, would be reasonable. Killing him in battle is just
> idiotic.
>
> Yeah, yeah, they wanted a 'sacrifice his life for others' story, but
> that just doesn't make sense.
>
> And, hell, they could have done it anyway, maybe he *had* to die to
> save clark. While he supposedly can't see his own fate, possibly he can
> see the fate of the *next* Fate, and he sees the next Fate eventually
> kill Superman unless he dies right now.(1) Or something like that. They
> could come up with some reason for him to sacrifice himself.
Great idea. It makes sense.
> Instead, they took one of the most powerful people in the DC universe,
> someone on who, honestly, Superman would have trouble taking down
> *without* being vulnerable to magic, and had him killed by an idiot, in
> full battle mode.
The villain was a little bitch.
> 1) Sigh. If only we were willing to do actual flashforwards in this
> show, and could have seen Supes, in full outfit, getting killed by the
> next Fate. Possibly working for Checkmate. Wouldn't have to care much
> about continuity, as, after all, Fate's sacrifice would have changed it.
Sounds cool. I guess they didn't have the budget for that.
Arthur Lipscomb
How about Fate sacrifices himself thinking he's the Fate that kills
Superman only to later reveal that it's the next Fate that goes bad.
BC
> someone on who, honestly, Superman would have trouble taking down
> *without* being vulnerable to magic, and had him killed by an idiot, in
> full battle mode.
>
>
> 1) Sigh. If only we were willing to do actual flashforwards in this
> show, and could have seen Supes, in full outfit, getting killed by the
> next Fate. Possibly working for Checkmate. Wouldn't have to care much
> about continuity, as, after all, Fate's sacrifice would have changed it.
Superman would have trouble taking down a girl scout armed with some Green K
bullets. Then there are the witches and sorcerers to deal with and those
that are also from Krypton and a Martian -- well Supes isn't so powerful
when just a couple of words can hurt him. Kind of the opposite of "sticks
and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me."