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Jeffrey Gustafson

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Aug 8, 2004, 6:49:49 PM8/8/04
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So I was typing www.jmsnews.com a little too fast today, and
accidently typed www.jmsnewds.com...

Nobody owns the domain, so I was thinking, hey, why not? Of course,
Joe would need to volunteer his, uh, services, but I reckon something
could be arranged...


Jan

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Aug 8, 2004, 9:40:56 PM8/8/04
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>Of course,
>Joe would need to volunteer his, uh, services, but I reckon something
>could be arranged...

I think I just went blind in one eye....

Jan
Watch this space for info on how you can win Amazing Babylon 5 Stuff and
benefit the children of Rick Biggs (Dr. Franklin on Babylon 5)!!

Derek

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Aug 8, 2004, 9:51:34 PM8/8/04
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Jeffrey Gustafson rose quietly and spake the following:

How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)

What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?

--
Derek

Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up

Brian Hulett

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Aug 8, 2004, 10:31:46 PM8/8/04
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"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:1ukbx35f5toa$.dlg@gwinn.us...

> Jeffrey Gustafson rose quietly and spake the following:
>
> > So I was typing www.jmsnews.com a little too fast today, and
> > accidently typed www.jmsnewds.com...
> >
> > Nobody owns the domain, so I was thinking, hey, why not? Of course,
> > Joe would need to volunteer his, uh, services, but I reckon something
> > could be arranged...
>
> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>
> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>
"Well, he turned me into a newt!"
"A newt?!"
(pause)
"I got better."

//you just newt it was coming//

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---Brian Hulett

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different than everybody else?" -- Blue Man Group, "Sing Along"

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Will Frank

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Aug 8, 2004, 11:07:47 PM8/8/04
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Also Sprach Brian Hulett:

>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>>
>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>>
> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
> "A newt?!"
> (pause)
> "I got better."
>
> //you just newt it was coming//

Yes, we did. So what else is newt?

Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.

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DodoBrd16

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Aug 9, 2004, 12:26:00 AM8/9/04
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>>Nobody owns the domain, so I was thinking, hey, why not? Of course,
Joe would need to volunteer his, uh, services, but I reckon something
could be arranged...<<


... for all you in California... dont worry, that was not the Big one... it was
just me shuddering...

Dave Hayslett

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Aug 9, 2004, 1:41:39 AM8/9/04
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dodo...@aol.com (DodoBrd16) wrote in
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How do you know that wasn't the big one? Have you met Joe? ... er ... oh,
you meant ... uh, never mind.

:-D

--
Dave

YOUR LUCKY NUMBER IS NONE.
YOUR LUCKY COLOR IS DEAD.

Matt Ion

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Aug 9, 2004, 4:55:51 AM8/9/04
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"Jeffrey Gustafson" <Psico...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Pictures of his duck?


Derek

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Aug 9, 2004, 8:38:29 AM8/9/04
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Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:

> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
>
>>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>>>
>>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>>>
>> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
>> "A newt?!"
>> (pause)
>> "I got better."
>>
>> //you just newt it was coming//
>
> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>
> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.

I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.

--
Derek

It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.

Dan Dassow

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Aug 9, 2004, 9:24:54 AM8/9/04
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Will Frank <wmf...@force.stwing.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:<slrnchdpjc....@force.stwing.upenn.edu>...

> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
>
> >> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
> >>
> >> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
> >>
> > "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
> > "A newt?!"
> > (pause)
> > "I got better."
> >
> > //you just newt it was coming//
>
> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>
> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.

JMS could always do an adaptation of
"The Princess and the Frog" or in this
case "The Princess and the Newt" or
"The Princess and the Gecko". Remember,
JMS's first published work (which, to his
utter embarrassment, is still being performed)
is a one act play adaptation of "Snow White
and the Seven Dwarfs". :-)

Dan Dassow

David Williams

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Aug 9, 2004, 10:02:21 AM8/9/04
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> Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:
>
> > Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
> >
> >>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
> >>>
> >>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
> >>>
> >> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
> >> "A newt?!"
> >> (pause)
> >> "I got better."
> >>
> >> //you just newt it was coming//
> >
> > Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
> >
> > Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.

Yeah, but how much does he REALLY save on his car insurance?


Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 9, 2004, 10:05:34 AM8/9/04
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>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:38:29 -0400, Derek wrote
(in article <cfkr0sqticwv$.d...@gwinn.us>):

> Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:
>
>> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
>>
>>>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>>>>
>>>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>>>>
>>> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
>>> "A newt?!"
>>> (pause)
>>> "I got better."
>>>
>>> //you just newt it was coming//
>>
>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>>
>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
>
> I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<

Yeah, these jokes really skink.

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Derek

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Aug 9, 2004, 10:15:08 AM8/9/04
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Aisling Willow Grey rose quietly and spake the following:

>>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:38:29 -0400, Derek wrote
> (in article <cfkr0sqticwv$.d...@gwinn.us>):
>
>> Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:
>>
>>> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
>>>
>>>>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>>>>>
>>>> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
>>>> "A newt?!"
>>>> (pause)
>>>> "I got better."
>>>>
>>>> //you just newt it was coming//
>>>
>>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>>>
>>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
>>
>> I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<
>
> Yeah, these jokes really skink.

I agree. This whole thread should be flushed down the komodo.

--
Derek

It's difficult to comprehend how insane some people can be.
Especially when you're insane.

Brian Hulett

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Aug 9, 2004, 1:05:38 PM8/9/04
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> >>> //you just newt it was coming//
> >>
> >> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
> >>
> >> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
> >
> > I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<
>
> Yeah, these jokes really skink.
>
Aw, c'mon, if you can't sell a joke how can you salamander?

Jon S Green

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Aug 9, 2004, 1:22:58 PM8/9/04
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Psico...@hotmail.com (Jeffrey Gustafson) wrote:

Don't. Go. There.

Please.


Jon
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Derek

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Aug 9, 2004, 1:28:51 PM8/9/04
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Brian Hulett rose quietly and spake the following:

>>>>> //you just newt it was coming//
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>>>>
>>>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
>>>
>>> I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<
>>
>> Yeah, these jokes really skink.
>>
> Aw, c'mon, if you can't sell a joke how can you salamander?

These puns are just going to dragon, and on, and on, aren't they?

--
Derek

The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to
assume you're pretentious.

Brian Hulett

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Aug 9, 2004, 5:13:04 PM8/9/04
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"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:1g9ifc6t...@gwinn.us...

> Brian Hulett rose quietly and spake the following:
>
> >>>>> //you just newt it was coming//
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
> >>>>
> >>>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
> >>>
> >>> I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<
> >>
> >> Yeah, these jokes really skink.
> >>
> > Aw, c'mon, if you can't sell a joke how can you salamander?
>
> These puns are just going to dragon, and on, and on, aren't they?
>
I know, after awhile it just gets to be a croc.

Eliyahu Rooff

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Aug 9, 2004, 6:36:26 PM8/9/04
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"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message
news:s6l2jaujs3re$.dlg@gwinn.us...

> Aisling Willow Grey rose quietly and spake the following:
>
> >>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:38:29 -0400, Derek wrote
> > (in article <cfkr0sqticwv$.d...@gwinn.us>):
> >
> >> Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:
> >>
> >>> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
> >>>
> >>>>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days,
anyway?
> >>>>>
> >>>> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
> >>>> "A newt?!"
> >>>> (pause)
> >>>> "I got better."
> >>>>
> >>>> //you just newt it was coming//
> >>>
> >>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
> >>>
> >>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
> >>
> >> I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<
> >
> > Yeah, these jokes really skink.
>
> I agree. This whole thread should be flushed down the komodo.
>
You guys are going to be dragon this one out as long as you can, eh?

Eliyahu

Derek

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Aug 9, 2004, 6:40:42 PM8/9/04
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Eliyahu Rooff rose quietly and spake the following:

You should be toad that I already used that one.

--
Derek

If you find yourself struggling with loneliness, you're not alone.
And yet you are alone.
So very alone.

DodoBrd16

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Aug 9, 2004, 7:14:07 PM8/9/04
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>>How do you know that wasn't the big one? Have you met Joe? ... er ... oh,
you meant ... uh, never mind.<<


ROFL

Wesley Struebing

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Aug 9, 2004, 8:20:46 PM8/9/04
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:38:29 +0000 (UTC), Derek <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote:

>Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:
>
>> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
>>
>>>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>>>>
>>>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>>>>
>>> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
>>> "A newt?!"
>>> (pause)
>>> "I got better."
>>>
>>> //you just newt it was coming//
>>
>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>>
>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
>
>I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.

Heh! You newd it would happen one day.


--

Wes Struebing

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.

Wesley Struebing

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Aug 9, 2004, 8:21:25 PM8/9/04
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:05:34 +0000 (UTC), Aisling Willow Grey
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

>>>On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:38:29 -0400, Derek wrote
>(in article <cfkr0sqticwv$.d...@gwinn.us>):
>
>> Will Frank rose quietly and spake the following:
>>
>>> Also Sprach Brian Hulett:
>>>
>>>>> How about www.jmsnewts.com ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the internet market for amphibians these days, anyway?
>>>>>
>>>> "Well, he turned me into a newt!"
>>>> "A newt?!"
>>>> (pause)
>>>> "I got better."
>>>>
>>>> //you just newt it was coming//
>>>
>>> Yes, we did. So what else is newt?
>>>
>>> Never mind, this cascade is doomed from the gecko.
>>
>> I can't believe what I'm seeing on my monitor.<<
>
>Yeah, these jokes really skink.

Well, Aisling, therein lies a tail...

Brad Barton

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Aug 9, 2004, 9:41:19 PM8/9/04
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> JMS could always do an adaptation of
> "The Princess and the Frog" or in this
> case "The Princess and the Newt" or
> "The Princess and the Gecko".

Now, now.. that's awfully close to a story idea.


Jeffrey Gustafson

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Aug 9, 2004, 10:54:14 PM8/9/04
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> Pictures of his duck?

Seriously, someone who knows Photoshop should take a picture of JMS,
photoshop his head onto a naked male body, and then put Lurkers' SiL
Duck over the naughty bits.

Or just bribe someone for actual photos... there might be some from
his early days in Hollywood. Think about it: A young idealist from
small-town America with asperations of working in the entertainment
industry... looking for quick cash he does what so many have done...
"Don't wory, baby, this is for a, um, private collection! Now, ass
higher in the air..."

(I'm going to hell for this, right?)

Dan Dassow

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Aug 9, 2004, 11:52:54 PM8/9/04
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Derek <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:<m0pt8lpw99tj$.d...@gwinn.us>...

You must have had a frog in your throat, since
they did not hear or understand what you had
to say.

I wonder how long it will take for this thread
to croak. :-)

Dan Dassow

Jon Schild

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Aug 10, 2004, 12:15:06 AM8/10/04
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Jan wrote:

An Dr Franklin isn't around to give you a replacement!

Matt Ion

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"Jeffrey Gustafson" <Psico...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Pictures of his duck?

Worse: you're going to be locked in a room with a TV with no power switch,
playing endless reruns of Galactica 1980.


DodoBrd16

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Aug 10, 2004, 4:50:11 PM8/10/04
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>Worse: you're going to be locked in a room with a TV with no power switch,
>playing endless reruns of Galactica 1980.


Diabolical...


I bow to your evilness...

Dwight Williams

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I sense a visit from the Narn Bat Squad in the offing for at least a
dozen of us present. Imminent visits.

--

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Matt Ion

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"Dwight Williams" <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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> I sense a visit from the Narn Bat Squad in the offing for at least a
> dozen of us present. Imminent visits.

'Scuse me while I get the door...


Dave Hayslett

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Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in news:_IpSc.77255$J06.33531
@pd7tw2no:

Candygram.

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 11, 2004, 1:34:53 PM8/11/04
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>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:36:16 -0400, Dave Hayslett wrote
(in article <Xns954280245812...@24.25.9.41>):

> Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in news:_IpSc.77255$J06.33531
> @pd7tw2no:
>
>> "Dwight Williams" <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message
>> news:411A13C9...@ncf.ca...
>>> I sense a visit from the Narn Bat Squad in the offing for at least a
>>> dozen of us present. Imminent visits.
>>
>> 'Scuse me while I get the door...
>
> Candygram.<<

Land Narn.

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Brad Barton

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>>>I sense a visit from the Narn Bat Squad in the offing for at least a
>>>dozen of us present. Imminent visits.
>>
>>'Scuse me while I get the door...
>
>
> Candygram.

Land shark.


Wesley Struebing

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Aug 11, 2004, 10:22:59 PM8/11/04
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC), Aisling Willow Grey
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

>>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:36:16 -0400, Dave Hayslett wrote
>(in article <Xns954280245812...@24.25.9.41>):
>
>> Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in news:_IpSc.77255$J06.33531
>> @pd7tw2no:
>>
>>> "Dwight Williams" <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:411A13C9...@ncf.ca...
>>>> I sense a visit from the Narn Bat Squad in the offing for at least a
>>>> dozen of us present. Imminent visits.
>>>
>>> 'Scuse me while I get the door...
>>
>> Candygram.<<
>
>Land Narn.

"It's your Narn! err, mother..."

The Nuclear Marine

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Aug 12, 2004, 2:39:33 AM8/12/04
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Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in news:_IpSc.77255$J06.33531
@pd7tw2no:

> "Dwight Williams" <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message

"Lurker Ma'am"
"You sure you're not a Book of G'Quan salesman?"
"No ma'am, I'm a Lurker"

Nuke

The Nuclear Marine

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Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in news:_IpSc.77255$J06.33531
@pd7tw2no:

> "Dwight Williams" <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message

"Lurker Ma'am"

Matt Ion

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"Dave Hayslett" <hays...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in news:_IpSc.77255$J06.33531
> @pd7tw2no:
>
> > "Dwight Williams" <ad...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in message
> > news:411A13C9...@ncf.ca...
> >> I sense a visit from the Narn Bat Squad in the offing for at least a
> >> dozen of us present. Imminent visits.
> >
> > 'Scuse me while I get the door...
>
> Candygram.

...for Londo?


Mena Ryan

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Aug 14, 2004, 9:03:30 AM8/14/04
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DodoBrd16 wrote:

>>>Nobody owns the domain, so I was thinking, hey, why not? Of course,


>>>
> Joe would need to volunteer his, uh, services, but I reckon something
> could be arranged...<<
>
>

> ... for all you in California... dont worry, that was not the Big one... it was
> just me shuddering...

This reminds me of a book that I saw once, maybe someone will know what
I'm talking about. It looked interesting and I really should have
bought it that day but we were in a hurry and it was one of those
discounted book places and I don't think that I made it back there
before it was gone.
I dropped my husband off at the bookstore while I went to do other
errands. He asked me if there was anything that he should look for for
me. He was told that even though it was July, if he saw a Neil Gaiman
nude calendar he was to buy it. When I went in to get him, he showed me
a book with Neil Gaiman on the cover and inside was none other than our
other favorite guest B5 writer, Peter David, in the buff and laying on a
couch, using a book for modesty!
Apparently the book was photos of many different genre authors, would
anyone happen to know the title? Long shot, I know...


Eliyahu Rooff

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"DodoBrd16" <dodo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...

Eliyahu

Mena Ryan

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Aug 14, 2004, 6:55:30 PM8/14/04
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Eliyahu Rooff wrote:

And if that doesn't make him sufficiently suffer, just flip on the SciFi
Channel. Oh wait, most of the scary stuff we are talking about is on
their play list...
"Crossing Over" and "Scare Tactics" are levels of Hell in their own
right. Bwahahahaha!


DodoBrd16

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Aug 16, 2004, 9:31:47 PM8/16/04
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>>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...<<

... hasnt that officially been declared a crime against humanity?

Eliyahu Rooff

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"DodoBrd16" <dodo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield
Earth...<<
>
> ... hasnt that officially been declared a crime against humanity?
>
Not sure, but it's a rare film indeed that's so bad as to be beyond
parody...

Eliyahu

Brian Hulett

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Aug 18, 2004, 1:04:04 AM8/18/04
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"DodoBrd16" <dodo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...<<
>
> ... hasnt that officially been declared a crime against humanity?
>
Yes, but one for which a mindwipe would be awarded as a gift to the watcher,
not punishment for the perpetrator.

--
---Brian Hulett

"War is young men dying and old men talking, Achilles, you know that." --
Sean Bean as Odysseus, to Brad Pitt, in "Troy"

Radio Free Hulett, featuring an indescribable mix of the greatest music of
the past 80 years, a little of everything but rap, opera, classical, and
weepy country: http://tinyurl.com/2ofut


Kai Hirdt

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Aug 18, 2004, 4:15:47 AM8/18/04
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Eliyahu Rooff wrote:

I'm getting curious... Someday I gotta get me this thing. Have only
heard the soundtrack yet which had, to my surprise, one and a half good
songs in it. The others had a certain kind of perfection in their own
way, which still leaves me blinking in disbelieve. Yeah, and shuddering.

Kai

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 18, 2004, 11:05:39 AM8/18/04
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>>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:15:47 -0400, Kai Hirdt wrote
(in article <2oghh6F...@uni-berlin.de>):

No. You don't understand. Forget the music. It's not about the music.
This is a _really bad film_. Astonishingly bad. I think the only thing
funnier than the film itself is Ebert's review of it:

http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2000/05/051202.html

Most of the film involves a tilted camera, alternating yellow and blue
filters, buckets of dirt being thrown in front of the lens, and
scenery-chewing the likes of which I cannot hope to describe. Oh, and the
writing's really bad, too.

You need to have friends around when you see this one.

Aisling

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This week's Kids' Zong: "My Plan for World Domination"

Kai Hirdt

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Aug 18, 2004, 11:42:17 AM8/18/04
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Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>>>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:15:47 -0400, Kai Hirdt wrote
>
> (in article <2oghh6F...@uni-berlin.de>):
>
>
>>Eliyahu Rooff wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"DodoBrd16" <dodo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:20040816213024...@mb-m10.aol.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield
>>>
>>>Earth...<<
>>>
>>>>... hasnt that officially been declared a crime against humanity?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not sure, but it's a rare film indeed that's so bad as to be beyond
>>>parody...
>>
>>I'm getting curious... Someday I gotta get me this thing. Have only
>>heard the soundtrack yet which had, to my surprise, one and a half good
>>songs in it. The others had a certain kind of perfection in their own
>>way, which still leaves me blinking in disbelieve. Yeah, and shuddering.<<
>
>
> No. You don't understand. Forget the music. It's not about the music.
> This is a _really bad film_. Astonishingly bad.

Oh yes, I certainly hope so!

>
> You need to have friends around when you see this one.

Bet on that - I wouldn't see an Ed Wood film on my own, too, but with
two few friends and a Kasten Bier three in a row become really
enjoyable. :-)

Bye
Kai

Tom

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Aug 18, 2004, 12:04:36 PM8/18/04
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Matt Ion <sou...@moltenimage.com> wrote in message news:<K2%Rc.66718$J06.55150@pd7tw2no>...


Better yet, make him watch the upcoming Battlestar series.
(Okay it hasn't aired, but if the ads they are showing on SciFI are
any indication this version will make the Galactica 1980 look great by
comparison)

Tom

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Aug 18, 2004, 12:07:39 PM8/18/04
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"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<10ht16i...@corp.supernews.com>...

Help me out with this. I saw this movie, and while it was no
masterpiece it did not seem awful, in comparison to other scifi
movies. Not spectacular by any means, but also not unwatchable
either. I have not read the book, so is this one of those, it is so
not like the book nad movies? I know King fans were up in arms over
IT. Is it one of those situations?

Opie301

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Aug 18, 2004, 2:32:06 PM8/18/04
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"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<10i5kc4...@corp.supernews.com>...

That's because it's an unintentional parody of itself (or the movie it
was trying to be). Someday, the movie whose name we dare not utter
will make its appearance on 'Bride of Myster Science Theater' (or
whatever name the visionaries of that future genearation choose to
call it).

Dave Hayslett

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Aug 18, 2004, 3:46:49 PM8/18/04
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nps...@yahoo.com (Tom) wrote in
news:821c4e74.04081...@posting.google.com:

....

> Better yet, make him watch the upcoming Battlestar series.
> (Okay it hasn't aired, but if the ads they are showing on SciFI are
> any indication this version will make the Galactica 1980 look great by
> comparison)

Uh ... "the ads"? Did you actually see the 4 hour pilot movie? This version
has already shown more quality than the entire run of the original series...

Brad Barton

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Aug 18, 2004, 11:48:49 PM8/18/04
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>>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...

> Help me out with this. I saw this movie, and while it was no


> masterpiece it did not seem awful, in comparison to other scifi
> movies. Not spectacular by any means, but also not unwatchable
> either.

I haven't seen it either.. but it would have to be pretty bad to beat
out the Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm) .... Starship Troopers

Ok, don't flame me on that one.. I know there are bug hunt lovers out
there who just adore this movie.. but really, this movie is about a
totalitarian society who mistreats its subjects, giving them ridiculous
requirements to become citizens.. trying to take territory as if it is a
God given right to expand, never mind whoever/whatever may already live
there.. and who doesn't have enough brain cells to figure out that if an
alien race can hurl an asteroid faster than light and hit a populated
city on a planet with it is INTELLIGENT.. geez, why do I give a rat's
hiney if this society lives or dies? I was rooting for the bugs less
than 10 minutes in and nearly walked out halfway through.

It replaced the previous Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm),
which was Steel Dawn.. an awful Mad Max wannabe starring Patrick Swayze
as a hero... who apparently doesn't have a name to go with his flat
personality.

Mike Myers' The Cat in The Hat would have replaced Starship Troopers,
but I had a free pass that I used for that one... <shudder>

So Battlefield Earth can't be that bad.. can it? :)


Tom

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Aug 19, 2004, 3:38:55 PM8/19/04
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Dave Hayslett <hays...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9549A07E7AC3...@24.25.9.42>...

> nps...@yahoo.com (Tom) wrote in
> news:821c4e74.04081...@posting.google.com:
>
> ....
>
> > Better yet, make him watch the upcoming Battlestar series.
> > (Okay it hasn't aired, but if the ads they are showing on SciFI are
> > any indication this version will make the Galactica 1980 look great by
> > comparison)
>
> Uh ... "the ads"? Did you actually see the 4 hour pilot movie? This version
> has already shown more quality than the entire run of the original series...

Yes I did. The scripts was boring and predictable. The actors were
unbelievably bad (though that could partially be attributed to a
terrible script), the battle scenes were so bad they became
irrelevant, which to any space drama is suicide. All in all the only
good thing about this show is that Cylon 6 is sexy. Much like Jeri
Ryan's 7 of 9, it is the ONLY thing this show has going for it. No
matter how hard Sci Fi tries to push it down our throats I will be
amazed if the ratings keep it on the air for an entire season. That
is of course if the pilot move and ads are indicative of what we will
see. If they totally rewrite the story, characters and plot in may be
watchable.
Thats my opinion anyway.

Mena Ryan

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Aug 19, 2004, 6:17:20 PM8/19/04
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Aisling Willow Grey wrote:

>>>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 04:15:47 -0400, Kai Hirdt wrote
>>>
> (in article <2oghh6F...@uni-berlin.de>):
>
>
>>Eliyahu Rooff wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"DodoBrd16" <dodo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:20040816213024...@mb-m10.aol.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield
>>>>>>
>>>Earth...<<
>>>
>>>>... hasnt that officially been declared a crime against humanity?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Not sure, but it's a rare film indeed that's so bad as to be beyond
>>>parody...
>>>
>>I'm getting curious... Someday I gotta get me this thing. Have only
>>heard the soundtrack yet which had, to my surprise, one and a half good
>>songs in it. The others had a certain kind of perfection in their own
>>way, which still leaves me blinking in disbelieve. Yeah, and shuddering.<<
>>
>
> No. You don't understand. Forget the music. It's not about the music.
> This is a _really bad film_. Astonishingly bad. I think the only thing
> funnier than the film itself is Ebert's review of it:
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2000/05/051202.html
>
> Most of the film involves a tilted camera, alternating yellow and blue
> filters, buckets of dirt being thrown in front of the lens, and
> scenery-chewing the likes of which I cannot hope to describe. Oh, and the
> writing's really bad, too.
>
> You need to have friends around when you see this one.


And absinthe? :^O


Dave Hayslett

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Aug 19, 2004, 8:33:29 PM8/19/04
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To each her or his own, obviously; but your description doesn't at all
resemble the show I watched. I'll certainly give the series a try.

Pelzo63

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Aug 19, 2004, 9:45:21 PM8/19/04
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brad wrote:

<< So Battlefield Earth can't be that bad.. can it? :) >>

in a word, yes.

as bad as Starship troopers was, it had one thing "big cool explosions"tm. BE
had not. having never seen(nor heard of) steel dawn, i can't comment on that,
but you already rate it better than ST. but in essence of BE, the SFX looked
worse than something i could whip up here on my computer, the film quality
looked like someone had drug it through a muddy river, then stepped on it. the
camera work looked as though it was filmed during "the big one." the makeup
looked as though it were done by helen keller imitating a picasso, the acting
was likee unto acting, as william hung is to singing, with the exception being
that Hung has no ability to do better, travolta has no excuse. the plot holes
were so large that they began to swallow any light that crossed their event
horizon.

otherwise, it wasn't too bad.

...Chris
People like you make me want to access your brain, and type rm -r -f /


Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 19, 2004, 9:47:22 PM8/19/04
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>>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:48:49 -0400, Brad Barton wrote
(in article <10i7rjl...@corp.supernews.com>):

Yes. It can.

Hank Tiffany

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Aug 19, 2004, 9:48:03 PM8/19/04
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Brad Barton wrote:

> >>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...
>
> > Help me out with this. I saw this movie, and while it was no
> > masterpiece it did not seem awful, in comparison to other scifi
> > movies. Not spectacular by any means, but also not unwatchable
> > either.
>
> I haven't seen it either.. but it would have to be pretty bad to beat
> out the Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm) .... Starship Troopers

Hmmm. My choice for that would be either "Excalibur" (1981 or 1982) a
truly pathetic King Arthur movie or "National Lampoons European
Vacation". I walked on both of those before they got to the 30
minute mark. ( NLEV- left when they were looking for an address in
Germany. Excal, can't recall for sure but I think it was after Uther
died.)

Hank

--
Hitler, he only had one ball/Goering, had two but they were small
Himmler, was very simmlar/But poor old Goebbels had no balls at all

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 19, 2004, 10:34:03 PM8/19/04
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>>On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:38:55 -0400, Tom wrote
(in article <821c4e74.04081...@posting.google.com>):

We must have seen different shows. I wasn't a fan of the original BG, but
thought that the new pilot really showed some promise. In fact, the only
thing that I thought was cheesy and a bit too "winkety-wink" for me was the
sexy Cylon babe. Obviously, YMMV.

Aisling

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Wendy of NJ

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Aug 19, 2004, 11:07:42 PM8/19/04
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC), nps...@yahoo.com (Tom)
wrote:


I thought the pilot showed potential. The Balthazar character in
particular, looked quite promising, if it's handled right.

"Enterprise" notwithstanding, writers have learned by what's gone
before, and some of them "get it" and are also getting projects
funded.
-Wendy

Wendy of NJ

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Aug 19, 2004, 11:11:07 PM8/19/04
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I was a fan of the original BG *pilot* when they killed Jane Seymour
at the end of the pilot, I thought "Hey!" they are taking risks...
*anyone* could die. The stakes were higher all of a sudden.

But then it got stupid real fast. It jumped the shark for me when
Apollo *just* missed the broadcast from the Moon. By seconds.
It still make me irritated to think about it.

Wendy -

"What sort of crime is 'starbuckin', anyway?"

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 20, 2004, 9:08:24 AM8/20/04
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>>On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:45:21 -0400, Pelzo63 wrote
(in article <20040819003219...@mb-m12.aol.com>):

Let's not forget that it brought shame upon the otherwise excellent Forrest
Whitaker. I cannot forgive the film for that.

(Horribly, someone bought me a Forrest-Whitaker-as-a-Psychlo action figure
last Christmas, from a bargain bin somewhere. It's horrible, I tell ya!)

Wendy of NJ

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Aug 20, 2004, 9:09:05 AM8/20/04
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:48:49 +0000 (UTC), Brad Barton <br...@jti.net>
wrote:

>>>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...
>
>> Help me out with this. I saw this movie, and while it was no
>> masterpiece it did not seem awful, in comparison to other scifi
>> movies. Not spectacular by any means, but also not unwatchable
>> either.
>
>I haven't seen it either.. but it would have to be pretty bad to beat
>out the Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm) .... Starship Troopers
>
>Ok, don't flame me on that one.. I know there are bug hunt lovers out
>there who just adore this movie.. but really, this movie is about a
>totalitarian society who mistreats its subjects, giving them ridiculous
>requirements to become citizens.. trying to take territory as if it is a
>God given right to expand, never mind whoever/whatever may already live
>there.. and who doesn't have enough brain cells to figure out that if an
>alien race can hurl an asteroid faster than light and hit a populated
>city on a planet with it is INTELLIGENT.. geez, why do I give a rat's
>hiney if this society lives or dies? I was rooting for the bugs less
>than 10 minutes in and nearly walked out halfway through.
>

How they manage to twist the book's meaning always amazes me. The bugs
in the book were the Shadows-in-the-making. Smarter meaner more
advanced. They were doing to Earth what the Centauri were doing to
Narn. It was supposed to be a "Them or Us" situation.

>It replaced the previous Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm),
>which was Steel Dawn.. an awful Mad Max wannabe starring Patrick Swayze
>as a hero... who apparently doesn't have a name to go with his flat
>personality.
>
>Mike Myers' The Cat in The Hat would have replaced Starship Troopers,
>but I had a free pass that I used for that one... <shudder>
>
>So Battlefield Earth can't be that bad.. can it? :)

Yes it can. It can indeed.

-Wendy


Wendy of NJ

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Aug 20, 2004, 9:09:25 AM8/20/04
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:48:03 +0000 (UTC), Hank Tiffany
<dav...@cet.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Brad Barton wrote:
>
>> >>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...
>>
>> > Help me out with this. I saw this movie, and while it was no
>> > masterpiece it did not seem awful, in comparison to other scifi
>> > movies. Not spectacular by any means, but also not unwatchable
>> > either.
>>
>> I haven't seen it either.. but it would have to be pretty bad to beat
>> out the Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm) .... Starship Troopers
>
>Hmmm. My choice for that would be either "Excalibur" (1981 or 1982) a
>truly pathetic King Arthur movie or "National Lampoons European
>Vacation". I walked on both of those before they got to the 30
>minute mark. ( NLEV- left when they were looking for an address in
>Germany. Excal, can't recall for sure but I think it was after Uther
>died.)

wow, really? I found that movie to be quite beautiful. Helen Mirren
was brilliant. Too bad you didn't stick around to see her at all.
There was a story about intentions and actions. There was a lot of
subtext in that film, and also needs to be seein within 48 hours of
"monty Python and the Holy Grail". I enjoyed that more than "Arthur
(the true story)" (although the ice fighting scene was cool).

And Merlin reminds me of Galen.

-Wendy

Tom

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Aug 20, 2004, 9:56:52 AM8/20/04
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Aisling Willow Grey <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BD4ADB47...@news.verizon.net>...

No i believe we saw the same one. I have talked to other sci fi fans
about this and for the lief of me I just don't see it. The original
BG was cheese, but then again most from that era was.
The sexy Cylon babe was of course a marketing tool, just as Jeri Ryan
was. Have you ever seen a borg that hot before or after? Or do they
just assimilate the homely people?
The second 2 hours of the pilot were better than the firt 2, but being
better than darn near unwatcheable isn't a great improvement.

Batltar could be an interesting character, if developed correctly, and
I have always like Olmos, but beyond that the rest of the cast looked
like they were forcing their performances. I attribute this to the
fact that I think the charcters were written so badly.

What about the show did you find interesting?

Tom

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Aug 20, 2004, 10:05:51 AM8/20/04
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Wendy of NJ <voxw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<mgqai0hc1nfqqgmma...@4ax.com>...

I will agree with you on Baltar (at least this one is not quite the
muhahaha bad guy that the original was). I also like Olmos (just a
fan of his work) but beyond that the rest of the cast looked like they
were forcing their performances. Like I was saying earlier I think
the characters were just written so badly.

Hmm, I have to disagree with you on the second point. In general for
every good "keeper" show you will get several bad ones. That seems to
be consistent in every genre including Sci Fi. Take Stargate
Atlantis. I would really like to get into the show, but the last
couple of weeks they have employed storylines that have only been done
a million times before (okay maybe not a million, but you get the
idea). Could the show get better, of course. Will it? Dunno. I
know there are only so many stories you can tell, but as Joe S.
proved with B5, you can tell the same old (some cases centuries old)
stories, the key is how you tell them. Comes an Inquisitor and Late
Delivery from Avalon are good examples. I haven't seen that from
Atlantis yet.

Hank Tiffany

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Aug 20, 2004, 12:29:03 PM8/20/04
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Wendy of NJ wrote:

> But then it got stupid real fast. It jumped the shark for me when
> Apollo *just* missed the broadcast from the Moon. By seconds.
> It still make me irritated to think about it.

Uhm, you do realize that you're talking about the last minute of
the last episode, don't you? Actually, I thought that a nice touch.
Would have been better if it had been something from the 20's of
course, but nice that they did realize that some radio/tv broadcast
would be seen long before they found Earth.

BG was ambitious in scope and had well written (and
acted) characters. (heck, even the mandatory 70's/80's Cute Kid
wasn't as annoying as most) On the down side the science[1] threw
some real whoppers out. (and what the heck is a Centon, anyway?)
Compared to previous & contemporary shows (anything before B5, for
that matter) it was no worse than any other and far better than
most. IMHO, of course.

Hank

[1] Of course expecting hard science in Space Opera is asking
for disappointment. At least it didn't drown in Technobabble.

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 20, 2004, 2:23:32 PM8/20/04
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>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:56:52 -0400, Tom wrote
(in article <821c4e74.04082...@posting.google.com>):

I actually thought the characterizations were decent - decent enough that I
was interested to learn more about _most_ of them. It was written better
than most other current network sf fare, and I saw potential for interesting
stories up the road from the foundation they set up. And, I thought it had a
good visual look - thanks mainly to the production team pretty much copying
the B5 template!

Regarding the characters, I was particularly fond of Starbuck, even though I
set out being opposed to the sex-change for the role.

Wendy of NJ

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Aug 20, 2004, 3:57:53 PM8/20/04
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC), Hank Tiffany
<dav...@cet.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Wendy of NJ wrote:
>
>> But then it got stupid real fast. It jumped the shark for me when
>> Apollo *just* missed the broadcast from the Moon. By seconds.
>> It still make me irritated to think about it.
>
>Uhm, you do realize that you're talking about the last minute of
>the last episode, don't you?

No, I thought it went on for ages after that, but I guess I've lumped
the orginal BG in with the subsequent series in memory. Which would
explain a lot about why stuff after that scene stank...

-Wendy

Hank Tiffany

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Aug 21, 2004, 3:45:34 PM8/21/04
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Wendy of NJ wrote:

After so long it is hard to recall details, but I remember the armor
(did they *ever* take it off?) and the fight scenes were really poor.
The rape scene was also ludicrous, I mean we were laughing at it,
hardly the response they were going for I hope.


>
> And Merlin reminds me of Galen.

He struck us[1] as risible. Not very awe-inspiring at all.

Hank

[1] Me, my roommate & his girlfriend.

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 21, 2004, 3:45:44 PM8/21/04
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>>On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:09:25 -0400, Wendy of NJ wrote
(in article <lbrai0le13rqihqe6...@4ax.com>):

Count me in on the Likes 'Excalibur' bandwagon. Hey, it's got "Carmina
Burana" in it!

Brian Hulett

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Aug 21, 2004, 3:46:04 PM8/21/04
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> >So Battlefield Earth can't be that bad.. can it? :)
>
> Yes it can. It can indeed.
>
Am I the only one who saw a quote from Travolta saying that the reason he
did this movie was because they WANTED him to ham it up? Appropriate, ham
in a cheesy movie, ya think?

There's an audience for obvious crap, I think. It distinguishes BE from any
mediocre film. Heck, we're STILL talking about it, that's gotta have some
effect on DVD/VHS sales. If your budget won't let you make a GREAT film,
why not just ham it up and have fun with it? It was so over-the-top that it
won seven of the nine Razzie awards for 2001, only failing to win in
categories where they weren't qualified (worst actress and worst
sequel/remake).

Of course, I think a primary reason for Travolta's involvement is his
Scientology connection due to BE author Hubbard, but that's a side note.

--
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John W. Kennedy

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Aug 21, 2004, 3:46:35 PM8/21/04
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Wendy of NJ wrote:
> I was a fan of the original BG *pilot* when they killed Jane Seymour
> at the end of the pilot,

Not the pilot. She died at the end of the second post-pilot episode,
"Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II".

> I thought "Hey!" they are taking risks...
> *anyone* could die. The stakes were higher all of a sudden.

> But then it got stupid real fast. It jumped the shark for me when
> Apollo *just* missed the broadcast from the Moon. By seconds.
> It still make me irritated to think about it.

That was the last minute of the last episode (not counting BG 80).

The original BG was pretty bad cheese, though it /occasionally/ produced
a "moment of perfect beauty" (just as "Lost in Space" did on rare
occasions). The new series is, no doubt, superior in most respects, but
I have yet to see it do that.

--
John W. Kennedy
"You can, if you wish, class all science-fiction together; but it is
about as perceptive as classing the works of Ballantyne, Conrad and W.
W. Jacobs together as the 'sea-story' and then criticizing _that_."
-- C. S. Lewis. "An Experiment in Criticism"


Wesley Struebing

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Aug 21, 2004, 3:46:55 PM8/21/04
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And how. even high on painkillers (had a horerndous backache) it was
so bad I had to turn it off. Someone made mention earlier in another
thread about "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes". This was worse than
"Return of the Killer Tomoatoes"...

--

Wes Struebing

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.


Dave Hayslett

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Aug 21, 2004, 3:47:05 PM8/21/04
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Hank Tiffany <dav...@cet.com> wrote in news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0408191142290.544-
100000@davidt:

....

> Hmmm. My choice for that would be either "Excalibur" (1981 or 1982) a
> truly pathetic King Arthur movie or "National Lampoons European

Excalibur? Pathetic?! You wound me, sir! :-)

Seriously, Excalibur is probably one of those movies that I shouldn't like,
but I do, a lot. Nicol Williamson as Merlin is worth the price of admission
alone. As is the scene where Arthur is conceived, simply due to the ... um
.... "variety" in costumes in that scene. :-)

--
Dave

43% of statistics are made up on the spot.


Hank Tiffany

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Aug 21, 2004, 4:47:55 PM8/21/04
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, John W. Kennedy wrote:

> Wendy of NJ wrote:
> > I was a fan of the original BG *pilot* when they killed Jane Seymour
> > at the end of the pilot,
>
> Not the pilot. She died at the end of the second post-pilot episode,
> "Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II".

Originally she was going to die at the end of the pilot, of the
same radiation exposure that had spoiled most of the food they
had loaded. (see scene with Our Heros just before they first
meet Cassiopeia). Baltar was also supposed to die in the pilot.

Many of the problems with BG lay with it being moved, on very
short notice, from a 6(?)-hour mini-series to a regular series.
I've always gotten the impression that things were frantic around
the production office in '78 as they suddenly had to create a
seasons worth of scripts in a few weeks. All of the cast & crew
members tell stories of receiving scripts just hours (centons?)
before they were supposed to be shot. Sometimes revisions arrived
*after* the original had been shot! It is truly amazing that the
product that came out of such chaos is as good as it is.

Hank

DodoBrd16

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Aug 21, 2004, 10:12:43 PM8/21/04
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My problem with the movie wasnt so much Travoltas acting... it was the story.

They had a bunch of Savages who just learned how to fly the AV-8B harrier jump
jet ( The most difficult plane in the world to fly) defeat this "grand" alien
race that had some how defeated the combined armies of Earth a thousand years
earlier.

And a Planet thats atmosphere could not stand Radiation or else it would chain
react and ignite or some technobable.... good thing this planet wasnt any where
near a star or where solar wind could get to it...

John W. Kennedy

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Aug 22, 2004, 2:04:23 PM8/22/04
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Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
> Count me in on the Likes 'Excalibur' bandwagon. Hey, it's got "Carmina
> Burana" in it!

It's generally liked (not without caveats here and there) in the
Arthurian community.

--
John W. Kennedy
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feminist agenda if you're not sure your leader isn't a transvestite."
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Wendy of NJ

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Aug 22, 2004, 2:04:33 PM8/22/04
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:45:34 +0000 (UTC), Hank Tiffany
<dav...@cet.com> wrote:

Except that there were fighters in the SCA that decided to try wearing
armor in the bedroom. It is NOT comfortable!

-Wendy

Eliyahu Rooff

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Aug 22, 2004, 10:54:03 PM8/22/04
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"DodoBrd16" <dodo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040821220759...@mb-m02.aol.com...

> My problem with the movie wasnt so much Travoltas acting... it was the
story.
>
> They had a bunch of Savages who just learned how to fly the AV-8B
harrier jump
> jet ( The most difficult plane in the world to fly) defeat this
"grand" alien
> race that had some how defeated the combined armies of Earth a
thousand years
> earlier.

And that doesn't even get into questions about how the Harriers were
able to sit idle for centuries without service or routine maintenance
and then start right up and fly, where they found fuel that wasn't
stale, who taught them to fly the planes and use the avionics, etc.
Would the Psychlos' teaching machines have had this info? For that
matter, how could they teach Euclidian geometry? Did they have a Euclid
on their planet?

Other problems include finding the Harriers on an Army base, since the
only service to use them is the Marine Corps, the fact that the planes
are incapable of performing many of the maneuvers portrayed, and that
they couldn't have pulled a nuclear warhead from a cruise missile and
had it still operable.


>
> And a Planet thats atmosphere could not stand Radiation or else it
would chain
> react and ignite or some technobable.... good thing this planet wasnt
any where
> near a star or where solar wind could get to it...
>

That part was technobabble in its purest form.

Eliyahu

Andrew Swallow

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Aug 22, 2004, 11:41:10 PM8/22/04
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"Eliyahu Rooff" <lro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

>
> Other problems include finding the Harriers on an Army base, since the
> only service to use them is the Marine Corps, the fact that the planes
> are incapable of performing many of the maneuvers portrayed, and that
> they couldn't have pulled a nuclear warhead from a cruise missile and
> had it still operable.

The Harrier is used by the Royal Air Force to give
air support to the British Army. Vertical takeoff
permits use from front line locations such as forest
clearings.

This will not be the first time that Hollywood films
heroic actions performed by the British with actors
wearing US uniforms.

Andrew Swallow


Hank Tiffany

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Aug 23, 2004, 10:03:35 PM8/23/04
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We knew that. Have to be right up there with the reality of
making love on a (dry) sandy beach. OWWWWWWWWW! (there are
some places ya just don't want sand to get...)

Hank

Rob Perkins

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Aug 23, 2004, 10:03:45 PM8/23/04
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Brad Barton <br...@jti.net> wrote:

>
>So Battlefield Earth can't be that bad.. can it? :)

My Worst Film I Ever Paid Money To See is still "Starship Troopers". I
rented "Battlefield Earth", so at least the pain was constrained to 29
inches diagonal.

ST had merits, sort of: The CG bug effects were really quite good for
that year. They actually put some thought into how to depict organic
bug-weapons. And they looked prettydangcool.

(lest anyone think I've gone soft on ST, I haven't. I still think it
was the most collossal waste of money in a Heinlein movie. No amount
of CG makes up for bad writing, bad directing, bad acting, bad
cinemetography, etc etc etc.)

BE may have actually been *worse* than ST, but BE didn't draw me into
a theater. So the Ultimate Betrayal Award goes to ST.

Rob


Blaine Gardner

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Aug 24, 2004, 8:38:33 AM8/24/04
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Wendy of NJ <voxw...@hotmail.com> writes:

>I was a fan of the original BG *pilot* when they killed Jane Seymour
>at the end of the pilot, I thought "Hey!" they are taking risks...
>*anyone* could die. The stakes were higher all of a sudden.

Yea, but the "Special Guest Star" (or whatever the exact wording was)
billing she got in the opening credits sort of spelled out her future.

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DodoBrd16

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Aug 24, 2004, 12:31:57 PM8/24/04
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>>BE may have actually been *worse* than ST, but BE didn't draw me into
a theater. So the Ultimate Betrayal Award goes to ST.<<

... it had Denise Richards in it... I dont care how bad that story was, that
more then makes up for it.

Besides, even though the story was rather bad, the dark humor it had was
slightly addictive.

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 25, 2004, 9:38:14 AM8/25/04
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>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:03:35 -0400, Hank Tiffany wrote
(in article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0408231122530.523-100000@davidt>):

> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Wendy of NJ wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:45:34 +0000 (UTC), Hank Tiffany
>> <dav...@cet.com> wrote:
>
>>> After so long it is hard to recall details, but I remember the armor
>>> (did they *ever* take it off?) and the fight scenes were really poor.
>>> The rape scene was also ludicrous, I mean we were laughing at it,
>>> hardly the response they were going for I hope.
>>
>> Except that there were fighters in the SCA that decided to try wearing
>> armor in the bedroom. It is NOT comfortable!
>
> We knew that. Have to be right up there with the reality of
> making love on a (dry) sandy beach. OWWWWWWWWW! (there are
> some places ya just don't want sand to get...) <<

Yeah, sure, if you're actually on the sand - but most people
who...uh...indulge in rituals of pleasure...at the beach do it on a blanket
or a towel. Which is perfectly do-able.

Aisling

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Blaine Gardner

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Aug 25, 2004, 9:38:24 AM8/25/04
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Rob Perkins <rob_p...@hotmail.com> writes:

>My Worst Film I Ever Paid Money To See is still "Starship Troopers". I
>rented "Battlefield Earth", so at least the pain was constrained to 29
>inches diagonal.

>BE may have actually been *worse* than ST, but BE didn't draw me into


>a theater. So the Ultimate Betrayal Award goes to ST.

Fortunately I'd heard enough in advance to avoid paying money for it.
I've never stumbled into it on the telly, so I've still never seen it.

One thing I'd always looked forward to in a "Starship Troopers" movie was a
realistic depiction of the powered armour suits. Once I'd heard they had
thrown that out the window (along with most of the original story), there
was no way that you'd get me near it.

"I am a thirty second bomb..."

Wendy of NJ

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Aug 25, 2004, 11:02:37 AM8/25/04
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:38:33 +0000 (UTC), Blaine Gardner
<bla...@xmission.com> wrote:

>Wendy of NJ <voxw...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>I was a fan of the original BG *pilot* when they killed Jane Seymour
>>at the end of the pilot, I thought "Hey!" they are taking risks...
>>*anyone* could die. The stakes were higher all of a sudden.
>
>Yea, but the "Special Guest Star" (or whatever the exact wording was)
>billing she got in the opening credits sort of spelled out her future.

I suppose *nowadays* I'd get that subtlety. But you have to remember,
I was pre-pubescent when that show first aired, and I didn't pay
attention to such things as credits.
-Wendy

Wendy of NJ

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Aug 26, 2004, 8:48:05 AM8/26/04
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:38:14 +0000 (UTC), Aisling Willow Grey
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

>>>On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:03:35 -0400, Hank Tiffany wrote
>(in article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0408231122530.523-100000@davidt>):
>
>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:45:34 +0000 (UTC), Hank Tiffany
>>> <dav...@cet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> After so long it is hard to recall details, but I remember the armor
>>>> (did they *ever* take it off?) and the fight scenes were really poor.
>>>> The rape scene was also ludicrous, I mean we were laughing at it,
>>>> hardly the response they were going for I hope.
>>>
>>> Except that there were fighters in the SCA that decided to try wearing
>>> armor in the bedroom. It is NOT comfortable!
>>
>> We knew that. Have to be right up there with the reality of
>> making love on a (dry) sandy beach. OWWWWWWWWW! (there are
>> some places ya just don't want sand to get...) <<
>
>Yeah, sure, if you're actually on the sand - but most people
>who...uh...indulge in rituals of pleasure...at the beach do it on a blanket
>or a towel. Which is perfectly do-able.
>

I managed to get sand in all sorts of areas whilst on the beach,
regardless of what I'm doing or what I'm wearing.
-Wendy (who wonders why on any day this month where I had the leisure
time to actually GO to the beach, it's been raining or cloudy)


John W. Kennedy

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Aug 26, 2004, 8:51:29 AM8/26/04
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Actually, it would not have been a safe deduction, since it was public
knowledge that she was originally supposed to have been killed in the
pilot, and therefore might well have had agent leverage to get her that
billing; and since she went on talk shows discussing the series as
though she were to be a regular.

You were fooled, but it was a well-organized deception.

I did not get the "anyone could die" sense, though, as, in plot terms,
her death was an arbitrary afterthought, and it was not long before they
brought in Anne Lockhart as an obvious substitute.

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Rob Perkins

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Aug 26, 2004, 12:32:20 PM8/26/04
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Aisling Willow Grey <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

>I actually thought the characterizations were decent - decent enough that I
>was interested to learn more about _most_ of them. It was written better
>than most other current network sf fare, and I saw potential for interesting
>stories up the road from the foundation they set up. And, I thought it had a
>good visual look - thanks mainly to the production team pretty much copying
>the B5 template!
>
>Regarding the characters, I was particularly fond of Starbuck, even though I
>set out being opposed to the sex-change for the role.

I actually enjoyed the "they look like us now" head game. And I was
surprised at how well they pulled off the Starbuck sex change.

I don't know if I can go for a whole series of that cinematic and
directorial style, though.

Rob, willing to be proved wrong

Rob Perkins

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Aug 26, 2004, 12:39:31 PM8/26/04
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nps...@yahoo.com (Tom) wrote:

>Hmm, I have to disagree with you on the second point. In general for
>every good "keeper" show you will get several bad ones. That seems to
>be consistent in every genre including Sci Fi. Take Stargate
>Atlantis. I would really like to get into the show, but the last
>couple of weeks they have employed storylines that have only been done
>a million times before (okay maybe not a million, but you get the
>idea). Could the show get better, of course. Will it? Dunno.

Don't forget that even JMS has suggested that the first episodes of
any season in any new series have to be "safe", so that the suits will
eventually leave you alone. I recall him saying that's why seasons
1,2,3 and 5 of B5 were so stand-alone, and rather self-referential, in
the first couple of eps.

Rob

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 26, 2004, 3:19:02 PM8/26/04
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>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:32:20 -0400, Rob Perkins wrote
(in article <ht3si099sktbqm77l...@4ax.com>):

Really? To me, it looked a lot like Babylon 5. Which makes it pretty easy
on the eyes, IMHO!

Aisling

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Rob Perkins

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Aug 26, 2004, 9:20:25 PM8/26/04
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Aisling Willow Grey <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:


>> I actually enjoyed the "they look like us now" head game. And I was
>> surprised at how well they pulled off the Starbuck sex change.
>>
>> I don't know if I can go for a whole series of that cinematic and
>> directorial style, though. <<
>
>Really? To me, it looked a lot like Babylon 5. Which makes it pretty easy
>on the eyes, IMHO!

Some of it. And the combat-in-space was certainly better as a
newtonian thing than Glen Larson was ever able to pull off. But the
documentarian-style framing gets old after awhile, and B5 didn't use
*that* more than twice.

One of the things I really enjoyed was the music score for BG, which I
haven't been able to find at all. Anyone know the name of the composer
for that?

Rob

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 26, 2004, 10:47:13 PM8/26/04
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>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:20:25 -0400, Rob Perkins wrote
(in article <ccvsi0tsaehf3fl5g...@4ax.com>):

>
> One of the things I really enjoyed was the music score for BG, which I
> haven't been able to find at all. Anyone know the name of the composer
> for that?<<

Well, imbd.com says:

Original Music by
Richard Gibbs
Bear McCreary (additional music)

Wendy of NJ

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Aug 27, 2004, 12:10:15 PM8/27/04
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:47:13 +0000 (UTC), Aisling Willow Grey
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:20:25 -0400, Rob Perkins wrote
>(in article <ccvsi0tsaehf3fl5g...@4ax.com>):
>>
>> One of the things I really enjoyed was the music score for BG, which I
>> haven't been able to find at all. Anyone know the name of the composer
>> for that?<<
>
>Well, imbd.com says:
>
>Original Music by
>Richard Gibbs

Is that one of the BeeGees?
-Wendy

Aisling Willow Grey

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Aug 27, 2004, 12:44:40 PM8/27/04
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>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:10:15 -0400, Wendy of NJ wrote
(in article <q3nui0pf1cu14n8uh...@4ax.com>):

> -Wendy<,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that immediately upon seeing that
name! :-D

Mena Ryan

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Aug 29, 2004, 11:57:46 PM8/29/04
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Hank Tiffany wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Brad Barton wrote:
>
>
>>>>And, as an occasional break, he'll get to watch Battlefield Earth...
>>>>
>>>Help me out with this. I saw this movie, and while it was no
>>>masterpiece it did not seem awful, in comparison to other scifi
>>>movies. Not spectacular by any means, but also not unwatchable
>>>either.
>>>
>>I haven't seen it either.. but it would have to be pretty bad to beat
>>out the Worst Movie I Ever Paid Money To See (tm) .... Starship Troopers
>>
>
> Hmmm. My choice for that would be either "Excalibur" (1981 or 1982) a
> truly pathetic King Arthur movie or "National Lampoons European
> Vacation". I walked on both of those before they got to the 30
> minute mark. ( NLEV- left when they were looking for an address in
> Germany. Excal, can't recall for sure but I think it was after Uther
> died.)

Granted it's not scifi but has no one here seen "At Play in the Fields
of the Lord"?!?!?! Same with "Good Will Hunting", except for Robin
Williams. Bleeech!

Rob Perkins

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Aug 29, 2004, 11:57:56 PM8/29/04
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Blaine Gardner <bla...@xmission.com> wrote:

>One thing I'd always looked forward to in a "Starship Troopers" movie was a
>realistic depiction of the powered armour suits. Once I'd heard they had
>thrown that out the window (along with most of the original story), there
>was no way that you'd get me near it.
>
>"I am a thirty second bomb..."

As personal as a punch in the nose!

Rob


Kay Shapero

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Aug 30, 2004, 9:18:33 PM8/30/04
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In article <41312FD9...@yahoo.com>, mena...@yahoo.com says...

And then there's "Galaxina". I think I lasted about 15 minutes (and as
many awed references to "The Blue Star"). Maybe.

--
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Aisling Willow Grey

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>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:57:46 -0400, Mena Ryan wrote
(in article <41312FD9...@yahoo.com>):

I couldn't fairly call it "worst," but a film I loathe that the rest of the
free world all seems to love is Forrest Gump. Ugh. I was clawing the skin
off of my face by the time that damned feather floated away.

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