About the movie "Knowing" - ((major SPOILER alert!))
Robert Clark
expected.
I have a question.
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SPOILER ALERT!
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The film is about the Nicolas Cage character trying to avert
disasters predicted by a series of numbers written by a young girl and
sealed in a time capsule for 50 years since 1959.
Near the end we find the last disaster predicted is for the end of
the world, or at least for all the human and animal population. We are
accustomed to seeing movies where the Earth is threatened by some
disaster and the hero or heroes manage to avert it. But in this film
the complete disaster does happen and all the human and animal life
still residing on the planet is destroyed.
That's uncommon nowadays for the public accustomed to happy endings.
I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
Bob Clark
Arthur
Dr. Strangelove
Note: is it too much nitpicking to fault the movie for having an exact
death count for disasters such as the recent Tsunami?
I suppose the 2996 on the WTC is accurate, but even that has a margin
of error to it.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Since I'm not going to see the move, I'd ask a further spoiler.
You say "all the human and animal life still residing on the planet
is destroyed". That seems like an odd phrasing. Were the heroes
off the planet somehow and survived to adam&eve it at the end, or did
they die too?
Ted
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Arthur
> In article <36835184-39ca-4b03-8230-afac46fd7...@l32g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
2 children were taken by alien beings to become Adam and Eve on a new
planet.
2 rabbits were also brought along
Robert Clark
> In article <36835184-39ca-4b03-8230-afac46fd7...@l32g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Yeah, that was an intentional odd phrasing,
to leave something for those who still haven't seen it.
Bob Clark
Robert Clark
Yes, Dr. Strangelove counts as one.
Bob Clark
Michael Stemper
>On Jul 13, 4:42=A0pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote:
>> In article <36835184-39ca-4b03-8230-afac46fd7...@l32g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Robert Clark =A0<rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Just saw the film "Knowing". It was certainly different than what I
>> >expected.
>> > I have a question.
>>
>> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> > SPOILER ALERT!
>> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> You say "all the human and animal life still residing on the planet
>> is destroyed". =A0That seems like an odd phrasing. =A0Were the heroes
>> off the planet somehow and survived to adam&eve it at the end, or did
>> they die too?
>
>2 children were taken by alien beings to become Adam and Eve on a new
>planet.
Wow, there's an original idea.
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Actually, there are a lot of ships. Two plot-central children were
picked up by one. We don't know if it also picked up other children,
and we don't know if the other ships were also picking up kids; but it
seems likely - multiple ships leave earth, and multiple ships arrive
at the new planet.
BTW, the two children we see are siblings.
Other movies that fit the OPs request: Hitchiker's Guide to the
Galaxy, On the Beach, Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
pt
Greg Goss
>Note: is it too much nitpicking to fault the movie for having an exact
>death count for disasters such as the recent Tsunami?
>I suppose the 2996 on the WTC is accurate, but even that has a margin
>of error to it.
I had the impression of 3000 and some, perhaps 3007. Did they trim
the numbers some more after that initial period? Wikipedia has it as
2993.
If a disaster is big enough, then the survival of anyone is considered
a "win". In "When Worlds Collids", they settle the new world, for
example.
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Robert Clark
The two main children are not related in "Knowing".
The movies you mentioned do fit the kind of movies I was requesting.
Bob Clark
Erik Max Francis
> Arthur <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Note: is it too much nitpicking to fault the movie for having an exact
>> death count for disasters such as the recent Tsunami?
>> I suppose the 2996 on the WTC is accurate, but even that has a margin
>> of error to it.
>
> I had the impression of 3000 and some, perhaps 3007. Did they trim
> the numbers some more after that initial period?
The initial estimates were over 3000 (well above 3000 early on before it
was clear how many people had been trapped in the towers). They
adjusted down to the low 2800s and have been slowing creeping up as more
and more deaths are attributed, directly or indirectly, to the Tower
collapses. For example:
http://www.scoopthis.org/2009/01/nyc-adds-mans-cancer-death-to-911-victims-toll/
> Wikipedia has it as 2993.
And, not surprisingly, the two citations which follow that claim do not
even support that figure. No shocker there.
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Erik Max Francis
> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
It's hardly a good movie, but the deleted scenes/alternate ending to
_Supernova_ would qualify.
D.F. Manno
<36835184-39ca-4b03...@l32g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Clark <rgrego...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
> Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
> much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
> that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
> take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
> trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
Several episodes of the revival of "The Outer Limits" qualify, including
"The Light Brigade," "Dead Man's Switch," "Relativity Theory" and
"Flower Child."
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Howard Brazee
<rgrego...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, Dr. Strangelove counts as one.
On The Beach more so.
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Sean Eric Fagan
Arthur <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it really so hard for you to edit a post to remove the parts of the
original that aren't important?
>2 children were taken by alien beings to become Adam and Eve on a new
>planet.
Although not stated directly, it was implied there were considerably more than
two. Probably hundreds, if not thousands.
>2 rabbits were also brought along
And would never be seen again after scampering off into the field of
flower-like plant-like things.
We hated the movie.
George W Harris
<rgrego...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just saw the film "Knowing". It was certainly different than what I
>expected.
> I have a question.
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> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
>disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
>place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
"The Crack In The World" (1965). Yes, it's as bad
as it sounds.
"Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" (2003). Equally
bad.
"Twelve Monkeys" (1995). Very good. One could
argue that no one was actually trying to prevent the disaster.
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> Bob Clark
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> That's uncommon nowadays for the public accustomed to happy endings.
> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
> Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
> much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
> that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
> take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
> trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
>
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> Bob Clark
Akira.
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It might be a long trip. The kids have to eat something.
Robert Clark
> In article
> <36835184-39ca-4b03-8230-afac46fd7...@l32g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> > humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
> > Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
> > much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
> > that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
> > take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
> > trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
> > I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> > disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> > place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
>
> Several episodes of the revival of "The Outer Limits" qualify, including
> "The Light Brigade," "Dead Man's Switch," "Relativity Theory" and
> "Flower Child."
>
> --
> "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure
> to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking
Yeah, I noticed that in new version of "The Outer Limits", there were
several cases of "unhappy" endings. Frankly, I think they went
overboard with that, as if they thought they had to have an unhappy
ending in order to have a serious plot.
Bob Clark
cryptoguy
I sit corrected - I missed the first part of the movie. Still, I think
the movie implied strongly that they were not the only two children
saved.
pt
Joseph Nebus
>> 2 rabbits were also brought along
>One wonders how many rabbits are going to arrive on the new planet.
``You stupid bunnies! You got no mates!''
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D.F. Manno
<93879f1d-9c08-477f...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Clark <rgrego...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> D.F. Manno wrote:
> > Robert Clark wrote:
> >
> > > I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> > > humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
> > > Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
> > > much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
> > > that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
> > > take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
> > > trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
> > > �I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> > > disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> > > place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
> >
> > Several episodes of the revival of "The Outer Limits" qualify, including
> > "The Light Brigade," "Dead Man's Switch," "Relativity Theory" and
> > "Flower Child."
>
> Yeah, I noticed that in new version of "The Outer Limits", there were
> several cases of "unhappy" endings. Frankly, I think they went
> overboard with that, as if they thought they had to have an unhappy
> ending in order to have a serious plot.
I thought it was a refreshing change. I was getting tired of the good
guys always saving the planet.
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John
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> In article
> <93879f1d-9c08-477f...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Clark <rgrego...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I noticed that in new version of "The Outer Limits", there were
>> several cases of "unhappy" endings. Frankly, I think they went
>> overboard with that, as if they thought they had to have an unhappy
>> ending in order to have a serious plot.
>
> I thought it was a refreshing change. I was getting tired of the good
> guys always saving the planet.
>
time.
Erik Max Francis
>> I thought it was a refreshing change. I was getting tired of the good
>> guys always saving the planet.
>
> Done well, an 'unhappy' ending resonates in your mind for a long, long
> time.
Yeah, it's useful to see occasionally to shake things up, but overdone
gets pretty depressing. People being what they are, and all.
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> Just saw the film "Knowing". It was certainly different than what I
> expected.
> I have a question.
...
> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> humanity destroyed?
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> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
>
12 Monkeys?
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Robert Clark wrote:
> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
> Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
> much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
> that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
> take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
> trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
I guess "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and "In the Mouth of Madness" might qualify, although these movies do not explicitly show the definitive end of humankind, but only make some (albeit rather strong) implications in the final scenes. The same applies to a couple of zombie-themed horror movies such as "Dawn of the Dead" (2004).
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Graham Clark
> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> humanity destroyed?
Miracle Mile, more or less.
G.
Robert Clark
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> In rec.arts.sf.written Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Just saw the film "Knowing". It was certainly different than what I
> > expected.
> > I have a question.
>
> ...
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> > I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> > humanity destroyed?
>
> ....
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> > I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> > disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> > place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
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> 12 Monkeys?
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Yep, that fits.
Bob Clark
PV
> "Twelve Monkeys" (1995). Very good. One could
>argue that no one was actually trying to prevent the disaster.
You might also argue that it's a happy ending, if not for the main
characters. *
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like corkscrews.
Robert Clark
These do seem to fit the idea.
Bob Clark
Robert Martinu
> "Robert Clark" <rgrego...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> That's uncommon nowadays for the public accustomed to happy endings.
>> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
>> humanity destroyed?
>
Neon Genesis Evangelion also ends in a bloody mess.
Robert
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Ethan Merritt
> I'm curious what other films have there been where we see the Earth or
> humanity destroyed? The asteroid impact movies "Armageddon" and "Deep
> Impact" don't count because the heroic astronauts do manage to avert
> much of the disaster in both films. Also, I'm not including movies
> that only show the aftermath such as the "Road Warrior" movies which
> take place after a nuclear holocaust and we see the remaining humans
> trying to survive after civilization has been decimated.
> I'm talking only about films where much of the plot centers on some
> disaster threatening the entire planet, and the disaster does take
> place despite all the attempts of the hero(es) trying to prevent it.
Everyone's long gone at the end of _AI_, but no hint is offered
as to whether it was due to planetary disaster or just old age.
Erik Max Francis
> Everyone's long gone at the end of _AI_, but no hint is offered
> as to whether it was due to planetary disaster or just old age.
And by that point, the audience wishes it was long gone, too. Several
times in fact.
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