Film/Book

[jimbairn]

Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"

JimB

[Mitchy]

Not mystery, but I was always thrilled with how they
realised the characters and universe from Harry Potter.

Not film, but I loved the late Robert Urich as Spencer
in the TV show. The secondary casting was excellent too
- can't recall who played Susan but she really fitted
the description, I thought. And Avery Brooks was a
brilliant Hawk.

I'm still pondering on films, I'm sure there's
others...Oh! Richard Burton as John Smith in "Where
Eagles Dare" (I actually read the book before I saw the
movie).

Mitchy

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,

jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"

Several times. David Suchet's Poirot, e.g.

There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie. He was perfect.
William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
(but few of us are) and he was too genial. George Wyner, on yet
another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.

Those are the ones that come instantly to mind. If I think of
more I'll post them -- I expect this thread will go on for a
while.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

[jimbairn]

Not limiting this to film and mystery books - Any character from any
literary genre translated into any visual medium - film, TV, even
graphic novels. Lets have some fun... :)

JimB

[family]

"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...

Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
him/her?"

Alec Baldwin as Jack Ryan in The Hunt for Red October.
Kathleen Turner as V.I.Warshawski in the movie of the same name.

[John P]

In article <GeednT6uSI7s3xbT...@bresnan.com>,
brit...@bresnan.net says...

Kathleen Turner was V.I.Warshawski in The Hunt for Red October? Who
knew? :)


--
John P

________________
I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy
me.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <TiHiq.1266$%73....@newsfe10.ams2>,

jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>On 04/10/2011 18:01, Mitchy wrote:
>> On 04/10/2011 17:18, jimbairn wrote:
>>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if
>>> ever, did the film version of a character make you say
>>> "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>>>
>>> JimB
>>
>> Not mystery, but I was always thrilled with how they realised the
>> characters and universe from Harry Potter.

I'm not an HP expert, but I acknowledge that Alan Rickman was the
perfect Snape. Apparently Rowling suggested (insisted? -- she
had all kinds of artistic control in the contract) that he play
the part.

[erilar]

In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,
jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:

> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>

The only one of recent memory: Gandalf in LOTR, I think.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[erilar]

In article <LsJvx...@kithrup.com>,

djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> David Suchet's Poirot, e.g.

Oh, of course! He OWNS Poirot!

>
> There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
> on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie. He was perfect.
> William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
> (but few of us are) and he was too genial. George Wyner, on yet
> another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.

Now that it's been mentioned, yes, I was quite happy with the casting
on that show generally.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[erilar]

In article <LsJzs...@kithrup.com>,

djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> I'm not an HP expert, but I acknowledge that Alan Rickman was the
> perfect Snape. Apparently Rowling suggested (insisted? -- she
> had all kinds of artistic control in the contract) that he play
> the part.

You're right. I never thought of who played Snape; that WAS Snape!

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[art...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 4, 4:52 pm, erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7....@newsfe21.ams2>,

>
>  jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
> > Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
> > version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>
> The only one of recent memory: Gandalf in LOTR, I think.

The Balrog looked like I imagined it as well.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <drache-18C5D8....@news.eternal-september.org>,

Well, when I had seen the first HP movie once, I asked my
daughter, who sees a heck of a lot more movies than I do, who was
that guy who was so good as Snape. She said scornfully (as offspring
to parent), "THAT was Alan RICKMAN. You remember, the guy who
played Dr. Lazarus in _Galaxy Quest!_"

"What?" I said, grabbing at my socks which had been knocked off.
"THAT was the same actor!?!"

And so it was. He's good.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <drache-7D8C15....@news.eternal-september.org>,

erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,
> jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>
>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>>
>The only one of recent memory: Gandalf in LOTR, I think.

Not me. Sir Ian is an accomplished actor and he was perfect in
_Cold Comfort Farm_, but the guy I would've liked to see as
Gandalf is Tom Baker. (Apparently he was asked, but didn't want
to leave his family for that long.)

[Mark Alan Miller]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:26:57 +0100, jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net>
wrote:

> Not limiting this to film and mystery books - Any character from
any
> literary genre translated into any visual medium - film, TV, even
> graphic novels. Lets have some fun... :)

Maggie Smith as Miss Jean Brodie. I suppose I'm rare in having read
the book first.

--
Mark Alan Miller

[Mary]

On 10/4/2011 12:01 PM, Mitchy wrote:
> On 04/10/2011 17:18, jimbairn wrote:
>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if
>> ever, did the film version of a character make you say
>> "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>>
>> JimB
>
> Not mystery, but I was always thrilled with how they realised the
> characters and universe from Harry Potter.
>
> Not film, but I loved the late Robert Urich as Spencer in the TV show.
> The secondary casting was excellent too - can't recall who played Susan
> but she really fitted the description, I thought. And Avery Brooks was a
> brilliant Hawk.

This was the one that I thought of immediately too. Except I didn't
know that Robert Urich is late.

Mary

[J]

On Oct 4, 12:46 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
> There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
> on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie.  He was perfect.
> William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
> (but few of us are) and he was too genial.  George Wyner, on yet
> another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.

I very much enjoyed the A&E Nero Wolfe series, but I think my favorite
Wolfe was the late Thayer David, who did a single made-for-tv film in
the role. (I knew him from Dark Shadows, but I see in Wikipedia that
he was in the original Rocky!) The movie, based on The Doorbell Rang,
was to be the pliot for a series, but his death at the age of 51 ended
the plan. A few years later, Paramount tried again, this time with
William Conrad.

[J]

He was only 55 when he died in 2002, from a rare form of tissue cancer
(which he had battled for several years). I didn't know, till I looked
this up, that he had appeared on Broadway, and toured, in the musical
CHICAGO!

[Mitchy]

> This was the one that I thought of immediately too.
> Except I didn't know that Robert Urich is late.
>
> Mary

Yeh, as J said, a rare form of cancer finally claimed
him way too young.

Random trivia - his wife, Heather Menzies, played
Louisa Von Trapp in "The Sound of Music" :)


Mitchy

[Lone Wolf]

djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:LsJvx...@kithrup.com:

> In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,
> jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>>Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>>version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>>him/her?"
>

> There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
> on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie. He was perfect.
> William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
> (but few of us are) and he was too genial. George Wyner, on yet
> another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.
>
>

I thought Conrad's voice was perfect for Wolfe, though. I still hear it
when I read the books. It's about all I remember about that series, even
though it was what got me interested in the Wolfe books. Haven't seen it
since its original run.

--
Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

J <jme...@verizon.net> wrote in news:85da9492-eabe-4e5b-a12d-
0d94ab...@p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

I've never seen that movie, but when I had read that David had played
Wolfe it seemed like good casting. I too knew him from Dark Shadows.

--
Lone Wolf

[J]

On Oct 5, 6:42 pm, Lone Wolf <lone.w...@lonewolf.net> wrote:
>
> I've never seen that movie, but when I had read that David had played
> Wolfe it seemed like good casting. I too knew him from Dark Shadows.

It was completed, but useless as a pilot, since there was no series
possible. I *think* it was ABC that aired it two or three times in
late-night slots, and I've never heard of it being shown again.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <Xns9F75BDBBC9E89l...@216.196.97.131>,

Well, yes, the voice was fine. But he smiled too often.

[Bev Vincent]

"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:LsME5...@kithrup.com...

> In article <Xns9F75BDBBC9E89l...@216.196.97.131>,
> Lone Wolf <lone...@lonewolf.net> wrote:
>>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:LsJvx...@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,
>>> jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>>>>Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>>>>version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>>>>him/her?"
>>>
>>> There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
>>> on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie. He was perfect.
>>> William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
>>> (but few of us are) and he was too genial. George Wyner, on yet
>>> another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I thought Conrad's voice was perfect for Wolfe, though. I still hear it
>>when I read the books. It's about all I remember about that series, even
>>though it was what got me interested in the Wolfe books. Haven't seen it
>>since its original run.
>
> Well, yes, the voice was fine. But he smiled too often.

Yeah, it seemed to me like they got the personalities reversed. On the show,
Wolfe was genial and Archie was cantankerous. Physically they were good
matches, but they just didn't seem like the same people.
--
Bev Vincent
www.BevVincent.com

[Bev Vincent]

"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...

> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
> him/her?"

On TV, Jeremy Brett as Holmes.
--
Bev Vincent
www.BevVincent.com

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

On 2011-10-06, Bev Vincent wrote:
>
>
> "jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
> news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>> him/her?"
>
> On TV, Jeremy Brett as Holmes.

And David Suchet as Poirot.

The first time I saw him was in a pub on a TV with no sound. I
guessed immediately that he was Poirot.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfajohnson.com>
Author: =======================
Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress)
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

[Barb NJ]

On 10/4/11 12:46 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,
> jimbairn<j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>
> Several times. David Suchet's Poirot, e.g.
>
> There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
> on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie. He was perfect.
> William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
> (but few of us are) and he was too genial. George Wyner, on yet
> another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.
>
> Those are the ones that come instantly to mind. If I think of
> more I'll post them -- I expect this thread will go on for a
> while.
>

I thought The Firm followed the book by John Grisham very well and the
film was great even with Tom Cruise in the starring role. I don't like
him but he was good in that one, Risky Business, and Day & Knight.

--
BarbH

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <ndg1m8-...@cjlocal.ca>,

Chris F.A. Johnson <cfajo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2011-10-06, Bev Vincent wrote:
>>
>>
>> "jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
>> news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
>>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>>> him/her?"
>>
>> On TV, Jeremy Brett as Holmes.
>
> And David Suchet as Poirot.
>
> The first time I saw him was in a pub on a TV with no sound. I
> guessed immediately that he was Poirot.

Well, obviously. I've just been rereading _The Labours of
Hercules_ and in one of the stories -- the one about the
gangsters in the sanatorium -- somebody says "I knew that must be
you! Who else has such mustaches?" or words to that effect, and
starts the plot rolling.

[Stanley Moore]

"J" <jme...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:b65c2dc1-8885-445a...@p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 4, 10:19 pm, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:

> On 10/4/2011 12:01 PM, Mitch wrote:
>
> This was the one that I thought of immediately too. Except I didn't

> know that Robert Uric is late.

He was only 55 when he died in 2002, from a rare form of tissue cancer
(which he had battled for several years). I didn't know, till I looked
this up, that he had appeared on Broadway, and toured, in the musical
CHICAGO!

-------------------------------------
The first time he came to my attention was in the comedy prime time 1970s
soap called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. He played a tennis pro who got
murdered in the first of second exposed. Take care

--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad

[Annie C]

"Stanley Moore" <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Y5edndpclLI74BPT...@giganews.com...

>
> "J" <jme...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:b65c2dc1-8885-445a...@p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 4, 10:19 pm, Mary <mrfeath...@a0l.com> wrote:
>> On 10/4/2011 12:01 PM, Mitch wrote:
>>
>> This was the one that I thought of immediately too. Except I didn't
>> know that Robert Uric is late.
>
>
> He was only 55 when he died in 2002, from a rare form of tissue cancer
> (which he had battled for several years). I didn't know, till I looked
> this up, that he had appeared on Broadway, and toured, in the musical
> CHICAGO!
>
> -------------------------------------
> The first time he came to my attention was in the comedy prime time 1970s
> soap called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. He played a tennis pro who got
> murdered in the first of second exposed. Take care
>
> --
> Stanley L. Moore

Robert Urich wasn't in the tv comedy series Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman (I
loved that show), but he was the tennis pro (Peter Campbell) in "Soap."
That must be the one you were thinking of..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_%28TV_series%29

Annie

[Annie C]

"John P" <nospam@this_address.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.28f5182f2...@news.megapath.com...

> In article <GeednT6uSI7s3xbT...@bresnan.com>,
> brit...@bresnan.net says...
>>
>> "jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
>> news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>> him/her?"
>>
>>
>> Alec Baldwin as Jack Ryan in The Hunt for Red October.
>> Kathleen Turner as V.I.Warshawski in the movie of the same name.
>
> Kathleen Turner was V.I.Warshawski in The Hunt for Red October? Who
> knew? :)
>
>
> --
> John P
>

Actually that might have been better that the VI Warshawski film. Oh boy. It
was terrible, truly bad.. (and I'm a huge fan of the books!) it had a
dreadful script and was really a mess. Made no sense.... Kathleen Turner was
given nothing to work with.. she's a very talented actress, but the movie
was a bomb.

Annie

[Stanley Moore]

"Annie C" <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:9f8ntf...@mid.individual.net...

You are right. Thanks. I watched both those shows way back when and liked
them both. Must be a senior moment. LOL. Tale care
--
Stanley L. Moore

[Lone Wolf]

djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in news:LsME5y.zt4
@kithrup.com:

> In article <Xns9F75BDBBC9E89l...@216.196.97.131>,
> Lone Wolf <lone...@lonewolf.net> wrote:
>>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:LsJvx...@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2>,
>>> jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>>>>Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the
film
>>>>version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>>>>him/her?"
>>>
>>> There was a version of Nero Wolfe that ran for about one season
>>> on American TV that had Lee Horsley as Archie. He was perfect.
>>> William Conrad wasn't as good a Wolfe: he wasn't obese enough
>>> (but few of us are) and he was too genial. George Wyner, on yet
>>> another hand, was the very image of Saul Panzer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I thought Conrad's voice was perfect for Wolfe, though. I still hear
it
>>when I read the books. It's about all I remember about that series,
even
>>though it was what got me interested in the Wolfe books. Haven't seen
it
>>since its original run.
>
> Well, yes, the voice was fine. But he smiled too often.
>

If I remember correctly, Conrad had a beard too which was very non-
Wolfe-like.

Even so, I'd love to see an episode or two again just bacause it was got
me into the Wolfe books. The only thing I've seen online is the opening
credits on YouTube.

--
Lone Wolf

[Annie C]

"Stanley Moore" <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:PdKdnSdssbQBpBLT...@giganews.com...

Ah yes, tell me about those oldtimer's moments... I relate ;-)
So good to see you back here, Stanley..

Annie

[Judith Brenan]

> Not limiting this to film and mystery books - Any character from any
> literary genre translated into any visual medium - film, TV, even graphic
> novels. Lets have some fun... :)
>

> JimB

Robert Parker's Jesse Stone series with Tom Selleck has just started on NZ
television. The first one "Night Passage" screened a few nights ago. It was
made in 1997 (according to Wikipedia) so it's been a long time coming. I
think Selleck made a convinving Stone. I enjoyed it, anyway.

Cheers
Judith in NZ

[Judith Brenan]

"Judith Brenan" <judith...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j6o7i9$3m7$1...@dont-email.me...

Whoops, got the date wrong. Night Passage was published in 1997 but the TV
film was made in 2005. That makes more sense.

Cheers
Judith

[curmudgeon]

"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...

Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"

Margaret Rutherford as Miss Jane Marple.

Tom Selleck as Jesse Stone.

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

In manner, perhaps, but not in looks. (I did enjoy those movies.)

Geraldine McEwan (though TV not film) was just the opposite; she
looked exactly right, but her manner didn't sit well.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <ag7k97lc9kbtv72oo...@4ax.com>,
Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:24 -0600, "curmudgeon"
><rumors&gos...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
>>news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
>>Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>>version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>

>Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle in Pride and Prejudice.

I haven't seen that version. I have a DVD of an earlier
production of P&P with David Rintoul as Darcy ... whom you may
remember seeing as Jock Graham in the Ian Carmichael _Have His
Carcase._ Damn he was good.

[needles]

"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"

Tom Hanks as Robert Langdon

[Jim G.]

Chris F.A. Johnson sent the following on Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:09:42
-0400:

> On 2011-10-15, curmudgeon wrote:
> >
> > "jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
> > news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
> > Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
> > version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
> >
> > Margaret Rutherford as Miss Jane Marple.
>
> In manner, perhaps, but not in looks. (I did enjoy those movies.)
>
> Geraldine McEwan (though TV not film) was just the opposite; she
> looked exactly right, but her manner didn't sit well.

Appearance-wise, she comes the closest to my mental image of Jane. And
in terms of manner and behavior, she's right up there, if not at the
top. Overall, I thought that McEwan did a fine job while being saddled
with some of the poorest writing, including the wholesale revamping of
some stories that had no need for such revamping.

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
http://www.goodreads.com/jimgysin/
http://www.librarything.com/home/jimgysin

[Jim G.]

Mike Burke sent the following on Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:06:04 +1100:

> On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:24 -0600, "curmudgeon"
> <rumors&gos...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >

> Sean Connery as James Bond. (_All_ the others have been mere
> caricatures, or worse.)

Timothy Dalton comes in a very, very close second, IMO. I was really
disappointed that he only had the two opportunities to show what he
could do in the role.

Even Brosnan, once he got past that prissy stage, wasn't too shabby. And
I often wonder what might have been if Lazenby had settled into the role
for a while instead of being a complete tool during and after his first
Bond outing. And I have nothing against Craig, but he's still new and
benefits from the *vastly* improved scripts that accompanied his
introduction in the role. So I'm not quite sure whether to credit him or
the writers for the past couple of films.

Only Moore was uniformly (okay, partial credit for both OCTOPUSSY and
FOR YOUR EYES ONLY) bad, and that's because both he and the writers
seemed content to treat things as a campy affair more often than not.

[Mary]

Goodness me, Jim, do you really think of Miss Marple as "Jane"? I never
have.

Mary

[Transition Zone]

On Oct 4, 12:46 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:

> In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7....@newsfe21.ams2>,

>
> jimbairn  <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
> >Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
> >version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined him/her?"
>

> Several times.  David Suchet's Poirot, e.g.

IMO, I'd say Albert Finney in the '74 Murder on the Orient Express,
because he seemed so much more elegant, yet crude (in bad health?).
Exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from this type of character in
the '30s-40's.

The David Suchet episode of Poirot's "Three Act Tragedy" showed his
character in retirement. In that time frame, He couldn't have been
that lively. It just couldn't smack me of that time frame.

[Annie C]

"needles" <brit...@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:9_mdnU5kYOjlhwbT...@bresnan.com...

There are many.. Off the top of my head:

Joan Hickson as Miss Marple.
Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes.
Robson Green as Tony Hill (Val McDermid novels)
Laurence Olivier as Heathcliff ( "Wuthering Heights")
Anthony Hopkins as butler James Stevens (K. Ishiguro's novel "Remains of the
Day")
Noomi Rapace as Lisbeth Salander (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo)
Kathy Bates as Annie Wilkes (Stephen King's "Misery")

Annie

[family]

"Bev Vincent" <MaxD...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j6k387$l2t$1...@dont-email.me...

"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
him/her?"

On TV, Jeremy Brett as Holmes.

While he was good as Sherlock Homes, the stories and we are extremely
reluctant to call them mysteries became ever more ludicrous and preposterous
as the TV series went on.
To our way of thinking the very best TV Sherlock Homes was played by Peter
Cushing.

Himself and Herself as in two expiring minds enjoying retirement.

[jimbairn]

On 17/10/2011 03:43, Mike Burke wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:07:31 -0500, "Annie C"
> <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Anthony Hopkins as butler James Stevens (K. Ishiguro's novel "Remains of the
>> Day")
>

> YESSSSSS! And, of course, as Hannibal.
>
> Robson Greene gives me hives. Can't put my finger on why, but he
> creeps me out for some reason. Perhaps it's because I can't ever
> suspend my disbelief whenever he's on the screen. I had precisely the
> same almost visceral reaction even when he appeared on Michael
> Parkinson's show. Weird.
>
> Mique

I agree.

I've said before that when I see him on screen I can't believe it's
(for example) Tony Hill. It's Robson Green *playing* Tony Hill...

JimB

[Pogonip]

That makes three of us, then. Can't stand the man - was even thinking
hives. There are so many other actors that play roles so well, I can't
figure out why Greene keeps getting plum parts.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/

[jimbairn]

On 17/10/2011 11:20, Pogonip wrote:
> On 10/17/2011 12:14 AM, jimbairn wrote:
>> On 17/10/2011 03:43, Mike Burke wrote:
>>>
>>> Robson Greene gives me hives. Can't put my finger on why, but he
>>> creeps me out for some reason. Perhaps it's because I can't ever
>>> suspend my disbelief whenever he's on the screen. I had precisely the
>>> same almost visceral reaction even when he appeared on Michael
>>> Parkinson's show. Weird.
>>>
>>> Mique
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> I've said before that when I see him on screen I can't believe it's (for
>> example) Tony Hill. It's Robson Green *playing* Tony Hill...
>>
>> JimB
>
> That makes three of us, then. Can't stand the man - was even thinking
> hives. There are so many other actors that play roles so well, I can't
> figure out why Greene keeps getting plum parts.

He seems to be on the wane here.

He's gone from leading man status to supporting roles in BEING HUMAN and
WATERLOO ROAD.

JimB

[Barb NJ]

Tom Sellick is also the right size (but too old now) to play Reacher.

--
BarbH

[Joan in GB-W]

"Annie C" <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote in message

news:9g0vce...@mid.individual.net...

>
> "needles" <brit...@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:9_mdnU5kYOjlhwbT...@bresnan.com...
>> "jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
>> news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>> him/her?"

Rosalind Russell as Auntie Mame.
Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch.

Joan

[Francis A. Miniter]

On 10/16/2011 22:28 PM, Mike Burke wrote:

> George C. Scott as Patton in "Patton"
>
> Marlon Brando as Marc Antony in "Julius Caesar"
>
> Paul Newman as "Hud"
>
> Burl Ives as anyone he has ever played but particularly as
> Big Daddy Pollitt in "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof". It's hard to believe he
> only ever won the one Oscar (Supporting Actor in "The Big Country").
> What an amazingly versatile man he was.
>
> Mique


Ralph Bellamy as FDR in Sunrise at Campobello.

--
Francis A. Miniter

Mesure is Medicine þauh þou muche ȝeor[n]e.
Al nis not good to þe gost þat þe bodi lykeþ,
Ne lyflode to þe licam þat leof is to þe soule.

William Langland, The Vision of Piers Plowman
Passus I, lines 33 - 35

[Jim G.]

Joan in GB-W sent the following on Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:58:32 -0500:

Peck is another good call here. I don't know if Lee--and/or Capote--had
Peck in mind when the story was being written, but he/she/they *should*
have. :)

[Jim G.]

Mary sent the following on Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:46:47 -0500:

That's not usually the first way that I'd refer to her, but I've heard
her called that and it has never sounded weird to me. It's not like she
wears a wimple, or anything. :)

[Annie C]

"jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message

news:79Umq.617$cH4...@newsfe24.ams2...

Must be something wrong with me then since I really like Robson Green :) (He
has the most beautiful blue eyes. *faints*.)
Recently one of our local public tv stations has been showing reruns of
"Touching Evil" (1997-99) with RG in the part of D.I. Dave Creegan. Wow, I'd
forgotten how great that series was.

In all fairness, there was a time when I was not his fan... Remember a
series called Reckless w/ Francesca Annis and RG? Eh..Not my cuppa..

Annie

[Annie C]

"Mike Burke" <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
news:ub5n971fltom3lf70...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:07:31 -0500, "Annie C"
> <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>

>>Anthony Hopkins as butler James Stevens (K. Ishiguro's novel "Remains of
>>the
>>Day")
>

> YESSSSSS! And, of course, as Hannibal.

I feel that Hopkins' performance in The Remains of the Day was brilliant. So
nuanced and low key. AH can express more emotion with one raised eyebrow or
tiny gesture than most other actors can with pages of dialog. There are so
many things that are compelling and unforgettable about that story. I've
seen the film at least 6 or more times (Yes, I am obsessed and still cry
every time) and I've read the book twice. Can't get enough.

Annie

>
>
> Mique

[Transition Zone]

On Oct 16, 10:28 pm, Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>
> George C. Scott as Patton in "Patton"

I know that with the WWII acting, that Swiss actor Bruno Ganz who
played the part of Hitler in the (german language) movie "Downfall"
seemed convincing.

If actor Mark Wahlberg would play a young JFK, in something like a "PT
109" remake. That would probably seem the most lifelike.

[Transition Zone]

Like Paul Winfield when he played Martin Luther King, Jr, sooo similar
that it fell just short of being a, well almost a caricature or
something, but without the humor. That's how right-on-the-money
Winfield was.

Totally the opposite of something like when Sidney Poitier played the
part of Thurgood Marshall in a 1991 made for TV film called Separate
But Equal". Totally not a match at all, to be truthful.

[Pogonip]

Yessss!!!!

[Stanley Moore]

"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6506bf1b-0ed9-4443...@o19g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...

----------------------------------------

Isn't Poirot retired from the beginning? IIRC in the Mysterious Affair at
Styles he has retired to grow vegetable marrows. Take care

--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad

[Stanley Moore]

"Annie C" <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote in message

news:9g3hfv...@mid.individual.net...

Hopkins is a great actor.... Didn't he play Henry against Katherine Hepburn
as Eleanor in The Lion in Winter? That was 1968 or so. As an aside Timothy
Dalton played a very young Phillip of France in that one. Take care

[Stanley Moore]

"Joan in GB-W" <jjk...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9g2u4o...@mid.individual.net...

Did you ever see Lucille Ball as Mame? Dreadful.

[Stanley Moore]

"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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------------------------------------

You did not like Cliff Roberston? I thought he a was the soul of JFK. Take

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <kZudnTqmJ-QUmADT...@giganews.com>,

Stanley Moore <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6506bf1b-0ed9-4443...@o19g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 4, 12:46 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article <2jGiq.1049$1s7....@newsfe21.ams2>,
>>
>> jimbairn <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote:
>> >Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>> >version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>> >him/her?"
>>
>> Several times. David Suchet's Poirot, e.g.
>
>IMO, I'd say Albert Finney in the '74 Murder on the Orient Express,
>because he seemed so much more elegant, yet crude (in bad health?).
>Exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from this type of character in
>the '30s-40's.
>
>The David Suchet episode of Poirot's "Three Act Tragedy" showed his
>character in retirement. In that time frame, He couldn't have been
>that lively. It just couldn't smack me of that time frame.
>
>----------------------------------------
>
>Isn't Poirot retired from the beginning? IIRC in the Mysterious Affair at
>Styles he has retired to grow vegetable marrows. Take care

Actually, in _Styles_ he is one of a group of Belgian refugees
from WWI. And yes, he is already retired from the Belgian police
(or perhaps just the Brussels city police?). Christie, I
believe, said somewhere that if she'd known she was going to go
on writing about him for another forty or fifty years she would
have made him younger to start with. It's during _The Murder of
Roger Ackroyd,_ I believe, that he's retired to the country to
grow veggies.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <m8udnV-gts91mgDT...@giganews.com>,

Stanley Moore <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Annie C" <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>news:9g3hfv...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Mike Burke" <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
>> news:ub5n971fltom3lf70...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:07:31 -0500, "Annie C"
>>> <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anthony Hopkins as butler James Stevens (K. Ishiguro's novel "Remains of
>>>>the
>>>>Day")
>>>
>>> YESSSSSS! And, of course, as Hannibal.
>>
>> I feel that Hopkins' performance in The Remains of the Day was brilliant.
>> So nuanced and low key. AH can express more emotion with one raised
>> eyebrow or tiny gesture than most other actors can with pages of dialog.
>> There are so many things that are compelling and unforgettable about that
>> story. I've seen the film at least 6 or more times (Yes, I am obsessed and
>> still cry every time) and I've read the book twice. Can't get enough.
>>
>
>Hopkins is a great actor.... Didn't he play Henry against Katherine Hepburn
>as Eleanor in The Lion in Winter?

No, Peter O'Toole played Henry. Hopkins, IIRC, played a rather
wimpy Richard Coeur-de-Lion.

That was 1968 or so. As an aside Timothy
>Dalton played a very young Phillip of France in that one.

Yes.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <m8udnVmgts91mgDT...@giganews.com>,

Stanley Moore <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8a1fb10d-f491-4af5...@n13g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 16, 10:28 pm, Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>>
>> George C. Scott as Patton in "Patton"
>
>I know that with the WWII acting, that Swiss actor Bruno Ganz who
>played the part of Hitler in the (german language) movie "Downfall"
>seemed convincing.

Oh yes. I haven't seen the whole film, only the bunker scene
that got endlessly parodied on YouTube. But his performance was
excellent.

[Rik Shepherd]

Dorothy J Heydt wrote

> It's during _The Murder of
> Roger Ackroyd,_ I believe, that he's retired to the country to
> grow veggies.

And hurling marrows over the fence into the next door garden when they
offend him by growing wrong.

[Annie C]

> "Joan in GB-W" <jjk...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9g2u4o...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Annie C" <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>> news:9g0vce...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "needles" <brit...@bresnan.net> wrote in message

>>>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>>>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>>>> him/her?"
>>
>>
>> Rosalind Russell as Auntie Mame.
>> Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch.
>>
>> Joan

Keith Michell -- brilliant and, imho, the best ever Henry VIII
Anthony Quinn as Zorba the Greek
Ben Kingsley as Mahatma Gandhi..

Annie

.

[Joan in GB-W]

"Stanley Moore" <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:m8udnV6gts91mgDT...@giganews.com...

>
> "Joan in GB-W" <jjk...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9g2u4o...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Annie C" <cher...@mindspringNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>> news:9g0vce...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "needles" <brit...@bresnan.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9_mdnU5kYOjlhwbT...@bresnan.com...
>>>> "jimbairn" <j...@jimbarker.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:2jGiq.1049$1s7...@newsfe21.ams2...
>>>> Following the Reacher and Plum threads... when, if ever, did the film
>>>> version of a character make you say "That's EXACTLY how I imagined
>>>> him/her?"
>>
>>
>> Rosalind Russell as Auntie Mame.
>> Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch.
>>
>> Joan
>
> Did you ever see Lucille Ball as Mame? Dreadful.
> Take care
> --
> Stanley L. Moore

Agreed, Stanley. Lucille Ball was terrible in the musical (film). Angela
Lansbury was much better in the Broadway play. Love the song, Bosom
Buddies, with Bea Arthur.

Joan

[Mark Alan Miller]

Which may be a reference to Nicholas Nickleby. The peculiar man
living behind Mrs. Nickleby announces his attraction by hurling
vegetables over the wall into her garden, most notably a large
marrow. It's a memorable scene from an excellent book (marred
somewhat by Smoke.)

--
Mark Alan Miller

[John Briggs]

Smike?
--
John Briggs

[Repubs Lost Unpaid Wars]

On Oct 18, 3:07 pm, "Joan in GB-W" <jjkr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Angela Lansbury was much better in the Broadway play.  

Yes, I saw the "Murder, She Wrote" series. She was also very
plausable in all of them, I thought. I can't think of any where she
didn't seem likely.

[Stanley Moore]

"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:Lt8z7...@kithrup.com...

Thanks for the correction. My senior moments are coming more frequently. I
loved that movie and watch it every time it comes around on cable. Take care

[Stanley Moore]

"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message

news:Lt8z9...@kithrup.com...

> In article <m8udnVmgts91mgDT...@giganews.com>,
> Stanley Moore <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:8a1fb10d-f491-4af5...@n13g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>On Oct 16, 10:28 pm, Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> George C. Scott as Patton in "Patton"
>>
>>I know that with the WWII acting, that Swiss actor Bruno Ganz who
>>played the part of Hitler in the (german language) movie "Downfall"
>>seemed convincing.
>
> Oh yes. I haven't seen the whole film, only the bunker scene
> that got endlessly parodied on YouTube. But his performance was
> excellent.
>

Another actor who played evil villainous Germans was Conrad Veldt who came
here to flee Hitler. Ironically he ended up playing bad Germans. TCM had a
nice profile on him one night and showed many of his films. I am most
familiar with Casablanca were is magnificent.

[Stanley Moore]

"Mark Alan Miller" <mami...@sfREMOVEdiamond.com> wrote in message
news:almarsoft.4530...@news.eternal-september.org...

Aren'to vegetable marrows some form of squash? Zucchini perhaps. If you let
them get too big they are not fit to eat are they? Even young ones have
little or no flavor. Thant's twhy you need plenty of butter in them.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <JJGdnYjv585GswPT...@giganews.com>,

Stanley Moore <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Mark Alan Miller" <mami...@sfREMOVEdiamond.com> wrote in message
>news:almarsoft.4530...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:19:41 +0100, "Rik Shepherd"
>> <RikSh...@houseoftheSCAMPERINGorangemonkey.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote
>>
>>
>>> > It's during _The Murder of
>>> > Roger Ackroyd,_ I believe, that he's retired to the country to
>>> > grow veggies.
>>
>>
>>> And hurling marrows over the fence into the next door garden when
>> they
>>> offend him by growing wrong.
>>
>> Which may be a reference to Nicholas Nickleby. The peculiar man living
>> behind Mrs. Nickleby announces his attraction by hurling vegetables over
>> the wall into her garden, most notably a large marrow. It's a memorable
>> scene from an excellent book (marred somewhat by Smoke.)
>>
>
>Aren'to vegetable marrows some form of squash? Zucchini perhaps. If you let
>them get too big they are not fit to eat are they?

Well, if the seedy parts are hollowed out and stuffed with
something, and they are then steamed in such a way that the outer
part gets tender.

But mind you, people who try to grow LARGE vegetable marrows
aren't intending to EAT them, they want to take them to the
harvest festival in hopes that theirs are bigger than their
neighbors'.

>Even young ones have
>little or no flavor. That's twhy you need plenty of butter in them.

Oh, they have a flavor, a delicate one improved (as you say) with
some butter and just a smidge of garlic.

But Poirot, living in England for all those years, had probably
only encountered the large English varieties.

The problem with zucchini is that they hide under the leaves, and
unless you search regularly you suddenly find you have seventeen
zucchini, ranging in size from your arm to your leg, and even the
Food Bank looks askance at them.

[Stanley Moore]

"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message

news:LtAn8...@kithrup.com...

They are good breaded and fried. You are right about them getting away from
yoiu. I think because they are green they are harder to find than teh
crooknecked yellow variety. I had the yellow ones tonight mixed with bell
peppers and cauliflower, roasted and flavored with a spicy Montreal steak
rub. Take care

--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad

. Pretty good.

[Pogonip]

On 10/18/2011 8:33 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> But mind you, people who try to grow LARGE vegetable marrows
> aren't intending to EAT them, they want to take them to the
> harvest festival in hopes that theirs are bigger than their
> neighbors'.

Oh, a competition for the gentlemen gardeners, then.

[Mark Alan Miller]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:58:53 +0100, John Briggs
<john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Which may be a reference to Nicholas Nickleby. The peculiar man
living
> > behind Mrs. Nickleby announces his attraction by hurling
vegetables over
> > the wall into her garden, most notably a large marrow. It's a
memorable
> > scene from an excellent book (marred somewhat by Smoke.)




> Smike?

Yes. Still getting the hang of a virtual keyboard on a smartphone.
It lets me visit here while tucked up in bed. A fine invention, but
suboptimal for a touch typist. Fewer long posts will be the result,
but I'm happy to be able to do this much.

--
Mark Alan Miller

[Jim G.]

John Briggs sent the following on Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:58:53 +0100:

Dude. You *seriously* need a new hobby. Unless being a tedious "gotcha!"
type on Usenet is your idea of a hobby...

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
http://www.goodreads.com/jimgysin/
http://www.librarything.com/home/jimgysin

[John Briggs]

On 19/10/2011 23:55, Jim G. wrote:
> John Briggs sent the following on Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:58:53 +0100:
>> On 18/10/2011 21:32, Mark Alan Miller wrote:
>>> It's a memorable
>>> scene from an excellent book (marred somewhat by Smoke.)
>>
>> Smike?
>
> Dude. You *seriously* need a new hobby. Unless being a tedious "gotcha!"
> type on Usenet is your idea of a hobby...

And *your* contribution added what, precisely?
--
John Briggs

[Jim G.]

John Briggs sent the following on Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:02:04 +0100:

Not much, given that I pretty much knew ahead of time that it wouldn't
change the behavior in the least. But maybe some others who were surely
thinking the same thing that I was will feel a little bit better knowing
that they're not the only ones who finds your routine to be tedious.
Still, I know that it's a burden carried with pride and dedication by
those committed to pointing out every minor mistake of others on Usenet,
so carry on! Be vigilant! Even as you read this, someone is making a
mistake somewhere! It must be located and pointed out to the rest of the
group!

[John Briggs]

Feel better now?
--
John Briggs

[Jim G.]

John Briggs sent the following on Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:08:32 +0100:

A little. But it's short-lived and will vanish again the moment you find
another typo or minor error that Must Be Challenged.

[John Briggs]

Try "LaRousse".
--
John Briggs