I want a Schwarzenegger Flop ***
Chad Skelton
Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
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Dave Parry
: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
: just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
haven't seen film yet)
At least Sly has realised what he's good at and what people want from
him.
Dave
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>Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
>: just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
>: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
Didn't 'Raw Deal' flop? 'Cactus Jack' must have flopped.
>T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
Superb entertainment.
>Dave
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Dave Parry
: >Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
: >: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
: >: just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
: >: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
: Didn't 'Raw Deal' flop? 'Cactus Jack' must have flopped.
: >T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
: Superb entertainment.
I wanted to like T2, but precocious kid and 'cutey' terminator ruined
it for me. What really put the tin hat on it was the end - why didn't
'Arnie' just jump into the vat (or better still have the brat push him
in - hee, hee). The long drawn out descent made me squirm. Spielberg
can combine drama with pathos and hit the right spot, Cameron is great
at action, but goes into overdrive (overkill) with the bathos.
I realise that admitting to disliking T2 is akin to sacrilege, but the
characters other than Linda Hamilton and Robert Patrick turned me
right off.
Peter Reiher
>In <31...@dsbc.icl.co.uk> d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry) writes:
>
>>Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>
>>: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
>>: just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
>>: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
>
>Didn't 'Raw Deal' flop? 'Cactus Jack' must have flopped.
"Raw Deal" made money. That was before Schwarzenegger was getting the
really big bucks, so it wasn't a particularly costly film. "Cactus
Jack", known as "The Villain" in the U.S., did indeed flop, but it was
made before "Conan the Barbarian" and "The Terminator", Schwarzenegger's
breakthrough films.
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Steinar Bang
> I realise that admitting to disliking T2 is akin to sacrilege, but the
> characters other than Linda Hamilton and Robert Patrick turned me
> right off.
On the other hand: Linda Hamilton turned me *on*,... but I digress...;-)
- Stainiawarjar
Steinar Bang
> Didn't 'Raw Deal' flop?
Well if it didn't, it most certainly *deserved* to flop! (shudder!)
- Steinar
Patrick Kearney
: I wanted to like T2, but precocious kid and 'cutey' terminator ruined
: it for me. What really put the tin hat on it was the end - why didn't
: 'Arnie' just jump into the vat (or better still have the brat push him
: in - hee, hee). The long drawn out descent made me squirm. Spielberg
: can combine drama with pathos and hit the right spot, Cameron is great
: at action, but goes into overdrive (overkill) with the bathos.
: I realise that admitting to disliking T2 is akin to sacrilege, but the
: characters other than Linda Hamilton and Robert Patrick turned me
: right off.
I quite agree with these sentiments. I thought the first Terminator
film was far superior, despite the excellent special effects of the
second one. Special effects do not, in themselves, make a good film;
characterization, plot and motivation are needed too. Arnold saying
"I need a vacation" was a most appalling blunder on Cameron's part.
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|: >: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I
|: >: mean, I would just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with
|: >: it's astronomical budget get
|: >: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
|: Didn't 'Raw Deal' flop? 'Cactus Jack' must have flopped.
|: >T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
|: Superb entertainment.
*Spoilers* for the two people who never saw T2 below:
|I wanted to like T2, but precocious kid and 'cutey' terminator ruined
|it for me. What really put the tin hat on it was the end - why didn't
|'Arnie' just jump into the vat (or better still have the brat push him
|in - hee, hee). The long drawn out descent made me squirm. Spielberg
|can combine drama with pathos and hit the right spot, Cameron is great
|at action, but goes into overdrive (overkill) with the bathos.
This movie would have much better if the ending hadn't been: slow
descent followed by Idsney-esque voice-over about machines learning to
love of whatever it was and had *instead* been:
Arnie is lowered into vat (a bit faster), music, kid crying, Sara
Conner looking grim as before. Now as before we see T's info screen
get all staticy and then go blank like an old TV set.
That's it. Roll credits. Perfect ending.
(hey! Let's start a new list! List of movies that could have been made
*much* better with a tiny change, like the one above, assuming you
like the new ending. Top Ten List Of Near Perfect Films!
Just Kidding.)
|I realise that admitting to disliking T2 is akin to sacrilege, but the
|characters other than Linda Hamilton and Robert Patrick turned me
|right off.
It was a fun brain-off movie; but for story it didn't compare to
Terminator.
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speaking. A flop for Ahnold might still make 50-75 million.
We may have such a situation arising with "Last Action Hero." When the
original cut was shown to a test audience, it was not very well received.
(This according to this week's issue of Entertainment Weekly)
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Dave Meeks
>Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>
>: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
>: just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
>: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
>
>I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
>film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
>wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
>
>T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
>Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
>Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
>haven't seen film yet)
>
>At least Sly has realised what he's good at and what people want from
>him.
Well, based on the success of movies like T2, Twins, KC, etc.. I would
say that he seems to know what people want and they are paying to
see him do it...
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Carl Christofferson
cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chad Skelton) writes:
>
> Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
> just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
> zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
>
"Blasphemy! You'll smoke a turd in hell for that!"* ;)
Carl Christofferson
* Robin Williams - "The Survivors"
Matt Simmons
: Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
: : Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
: : just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
: : zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
: I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
: film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
: wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
: T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
: Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
: Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
: haven't seen film yet)
that want to be politicians and use their film career to further their
: At least Sly has realised what he's good at and what people want from
: him.
: Dave
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Dave Parry
: Dave Parry (d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk) wrote:
: : Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
: : : Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
: : : just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
: : : zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
: : I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
: : film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
: : wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
: : T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
: : Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
: : Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
: : haven't seen film yet)
: Of course your going to be Equal-Opportunity and mention the superstars
: that want to be politicians and use their film career to further their
: aims and are liberals, right
Absolutely, it's just that none spring to mind.
Randy C. Cosby
No, you are not alone!!! I was a theatre major, and went to
great lengths to get rid of my Texas accent onstage. I feel
that nonactors, who have not "paid their dues on stage" or
otherwise, don't deserve the fame they get. Don't kill me
about Arnold and Jeane-Claude VanDamme being entertaining,
I do enjoy action films, I just get so pissed knowing that
muscles or karate expertise makes you a star. I take Tae
Kwon Do, and will probably be a blackbelt, but does that
make me star quality??? Obviously, I think I can act circles
around Schwarzenegger, Van Damme or Stallone. Though I do
admit that Stallone is working harder at getting better at
his acting and ridding himself of his accent.
So, I guess I want to see Arnold lose big.
COz
Jason Austin
> : Dave Parry (d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk) wrote:
> : : Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
> : : : Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
> : : : just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
> : : : zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
> : : I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
> : : film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
> : : wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
> : : T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
> : : Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
> : : Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
> : : haven't seen film yet)
> : Of course your going to be Equal-Opportunity and mention the superstars
> : that want to be politicians and use their film career to further their
> : aims and are liberals, right
>
> Absolutely, it's just that none spring to mind.
>
> Dave
How about Jane Fonda, Barbra Streisand, Spike Lee, Shirley
Mclain, Robert Redford, Oliver Stone, Alec Baldwin, Whoopi Goldberg,
Woody Allen, Michael Dounglas, Kim Basinger, Ted Danson, Ted Turner,
and a hundred more I can't think of right now.
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Gary Cooper
>Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
>just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
>zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
"If it's popular, it must be no good" - did you like Arny when he WASN'T
popular? Did you sell your U2 albums after WAR became popular?
Arnie's films are popular because they're honest - Mind-numbing action
with a sense of humor, and, IMPORTANT, they don't preach. Stallone
found, to his regret, what happens when you try to combine politics with
mind-numbing action movies.
You may get your wish, though, with the ever climbing price of making
his movies, Schwarzenneger films have a much harder time reclaiming
their investment (He can no longer count on opening weekend receipts to
recoup the investments - if word gets out that it sucks, people will
stop going.)
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peter.t.mcdermott
> : : Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
> : : just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
> : : zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
Well, I don't "hate" superstars or anybody who I feel doesn't have it comin'
to them. So I'm sorry but I disagree with that part of your statement.
However, I go a lot by my gut reaction to a lot of things; books, film,
etc. It doesn't always pan out. Sometimes you've got to take a chance.
But in this case my gut says that "Greatest Action Hero" is going to be a
flop of astronomical proportions. Nothing definitive, really. Just how
I feel. I like Arnie though, don't get me wrong. I just think that this one's
a stinker in waiting. And I'm a guy who's even enjoyed his more mediocre stuff.
Oh, well. Opinions and Assholes. Everybody's got em', and they're no two alike!
Later!
Pete McDermott
Chad Skelton
>"If it's popular, it must be no good" - did you like Arny when he WASN'T
>popular? Did you sell your U2 albums after WAR became popular?
I'm not saying that. I still like U2 - and I don't remember whether I liked
"Arny" before or not. What bothers me is that the movies *aren't* good - and
they are putting money into F/X and star quality, instead of a good story.
And I think it takes a major flop on one of these multi-million dollar films
to shock the film industry back into making good movies.
Doug Fierro
>> Matt Simmons (zar...@cs1.bradley.edu) wrote:
>> : Dave Parry (d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk) wrote:
>> : : Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>> : : : Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
>> : : : just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
>> : : : zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
>> : : I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
>> : : film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
>> : : wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
>> : : T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
>> : : Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
>> : : Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
>> : : haven't seen film yet)
>> : Of course your going to be Equal-Opportunity and mention the superstars
>> : that want to be politicians and use their film career to further their
>> : aims and are liberals, right
Actually Arnold is a big Republican, which isn't a real liberal party :-)
He supported Bush (along with Bruce Willis) during the recent campaign.
Regardless of his political beliefs, I think it is sad that we have a
few bitter small-minded readers that are so envious of other people that
they would wish failure upon them. These people must denounce others who
are successful because their own lives are so pitiful. Arnold came to
this country as a poor immigrant and worked very hard to get where he is
today- no one handed him anything. He is probably one of the more dedicated
actors in Hollywood today even if he isn't a Robert DeNiro, and he is very
warm and personable- a welcome change from the spoiled stars who spit on
the very people who made them what they are. He will be around for a while
to come, so get used to it.
Doug
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: Matt Simmons (zar...@cs1.bradley.edu) wrote:
: : Dave Parry (d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk) wrote:
: : : Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
: : : : Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
: : : : just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
: : : : zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
: : : I can't stand superstars that want to be politicians and use their
: : : film career to further their aims. Ever since old Schwartze decided he
: : : wanted everyone to love him, his films have made me puke.
: : : T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
: : : Kindergarten Cop - made me puke
: : : Last Action Hero - made me puke (when I read synopsis, obviously
: : : haven't seen film yet)
: : Of course your going to be Equal-Opportunity and mention the superstars
: : that want to be politicians and use their film career to further their
: : aims and are liberals, right
: Absolutely, it's just that none spring to mind.
one...
: Dave
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>
>No, you are not alone!!! I was a theatre major, and went to
>great lengths to get rid of my Texas accent onstage. I feel
>that nonactors, who have not "paid their dues on stage" or
>otherwise, don't deserve the fame they get.
[Remaining "Sour-Grapes" snobbish whining deleted...]
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Geir Danielsen
|> In article <1v5cjh$9...@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rco...@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby) writes:
|> >
|> >No, you are not alone!!! I was a theatre major, and went to
|> >great lengths to get rid of my Texas accent onstage. I feel
|> >that nonactors, who have not "paid their dues on stage" or
|> >otherwise, don't deserve the fame they get.
|>
|> [Remaining "Sour-Grapes" snobbish whining deleted...]
|>
|> Please, *spare* us.
Why? I do NOT want to be spared!!!
I think acting should be considered more like a profession. I mean more like getting paid for working 9 to five, rather than getting paid for your white
teeth (Tom Cruise), Big muscles(Arnie), Big boobs(lotsa women!!) and more.
Onkel Tuca, bananas originales. Amiga rules. A whale a day keeps Greenpeace awake!
P.S. I know this is flame material, and I do also know that an actor/actress will never be compared to a industrial worker.
P.P.S If you flame me then remember that I'll loose my internet access soon!
HAHA!
opfe...@jupiter.fnbc.com
::
::Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I
::just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical
budget get
::zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
Shame on You! Don't you know that Ahnold could easily crush you by merely
flexing his huge pectoral muscles?!? I will not tolerate blasphemers such
as yourself posting such nonsense! Get away from the computer and go pump
some I-Ron, little girl!!
Arnold movies will be successful for the next 100 years. Even "Red Heat"
and "Raw Deal" will be appreciated by future generations of flabby
porksters, such as you and me, and anyone else who isn't Arnold. That
includes Jean Claude Van-wanna-be-like-Arnold-Damme!
Hee hee!
--Bill
Randy C. Cosby
KMA, The guy or gal asked if anyone else wanted a Schwarzenegger flop.
So I answered. If you don't want to read other people's opinions, get
your ass of the NET!!
People in the theatre profession take it seriously. Action heros
and entertainment aside, there is a place in movies for "real"
acting.
COz
John Dooley
>
> Regardless of his political beliefs, I think it is sad that we have a
>few bitter small-minded readers that are so envious of other people that
>they would wish failure upon them. These people must denounce others who
>are successful because their own lives are so pitiful.
To avoid flames, let me say that I like many of Schwarzenegger's
movies (especially _Terminator_ and _Total Recall_). I hope that the
Last Action Hero is good. (Already I liked him in _Dave_ this year.)
Nevertheless, there're a few reasons to wish for a flop of an Arnold
movie that have nothing to do with envy.
1. A flop may reduce the money and effort expended on big "blockbuster",
action movies. This could give Hollywood producers the wherewithall
to produce different types of movies that possibly more enjoyable
to a person who would hope for an Arnold flop.
2. Some towns have few movie screens. In 1982-83 I lived in a small
central Oklahoma town with two movie screens. Somehow, I
don't know how, _ET_ managed to stay at one theatre for over 30
weeks. So, at most, there was one new movie per week for half a
year. It really limited the choices.
John D.
Phineas Narco
> In <31...@dsbc.icl.co.uk> d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry) writes:
>
> >Chad Skelton (cske...@realm.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
>
> >: Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I wou
> >: just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget ge
> >: zero return at the box office. I can't stand super-stars.
>
> Didn't 'Raw Deal' flop? 'Cactus Jack' must have flopped.
>
> >T2 - made me puke (mouthy brat and loveable terminator)
>
> Superb entertainment.
>
> >Dave
>
> Karl
>
> --
>
> \ Internet: kar...@rhi.hi.is \ Karl Thoroddsen Comp. Sci.
> \ Qwerty.
He also made a film, early in his career called THE VILLAIN, in which
he co-starred with Kirk Douglas that flopped bad, so much so, nearly
no one's heard of it. It MAY be on videotape and is on late night
TV now and again. It can be loosely described as a live-action
warners bros. cartoon.
--Phineas
George W. Harris
Interesting that your list contains no actors who have become in-
volved in politics in the way that Schwarznegger has. Which of these
people have been appointed to positions similar to the one AS had under
Bush/Reagan.
>Jason C. Austin
>j.c.a...@larc.nasa.gov
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John Dooley
>In article <JASON.93J...@ab20.larc.nasa.gov> Jason C. Austin <j.c.a...@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>>In article <31...@dsbc.icl.co.uk> Dave Parry <d...@dsbc.icl.co.uk> writes:
>>> : Of course your going to be Equal-Opportunity and mention the superstars
>>> : that want to be politicians and use their film career to further their
>>> : aims and are liberals, right
>>>
>>> Absolutely, it's just that none spring to mind.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> How about Jane Fonda, Barbra Streisand, Spike Lee, Shirley
>>Mclain, Robert Redford, Oliver Stone, Alec Baldwin, Whoopi Goldberg,
>>and a hundred more I can't think of right now.
>
> Interesting that your list contains no actors who have become in-
>volved in politics in the way that Schwarznegger has. Which of these
>people have been appointed to positions similar to the one AS had under
>Bush/Reagan.
>
What a bunch of horse manure. The president's advisor on health
and fitness is hardly a political office. They aren't formulating
economic or foreign policy there. It's not a launching ground
for higher office. It's an honorary position to say, "thanks for
supporting my election efforts. Oh, and by the way, could you
be my poster-boy and encourage primary school children to live
a healthy and fit lives." It really concerns you that Arnold's
popularity led him to this highly sensitive, important position in
our federal government?
John "whose wondering if his fellow liberals really think that
encouraging kids to exercise and eat right is a bad thing" D.
Gary Cooper
>that nonactors, who have not "paid their dues on stage" or
>otherwise, don't deserve the fame they get. Don't kill me
I won't - but My God, you are an arrogant prick.
Eiji Hirai
: I think acting should be considered more like a profession. I mean more like
: getting paid for working 9 to five, rather than getting paid for your white
: teeth (Tom Cruise), Big muscles(Arnie), Big boobs(lotsa women!!) and more.
What people tend to forget is that in this market driven economy, the highly
paid actors get paid a lot because consumers (you and me) buy tickets to
watch their movies. If people didn't watch their movies, producers wouldn't
pay them to be in their movies.
If you're blaming anyone, blame the people who buy the tickets. It's not
Schwarzenegger's fault that people shell out money to see his films.
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Eiji Hirai
: The president's advisor on health and fitness is hardly a political office.
It was also ironic because Schwarzenegger used to pump up with steroids when
he was competing for the Mister Universe contests. His message seems to be
"exercise is good for you - look at what it did for me!", when in reality,
it's "exercise isn't useful, boy - steroids made me what I am!"
Hey, I like watching Schwarzenegger films. I just don't think his
appointment to the Fitness post was appropriate.
Michael Richards
>
>Am I the only one that wants one of Arnold's films to flop? I mean, I would
>just *love* to see, say, Last Action Hero with it's astronomical budget get
>
You may get your way, todays Independent (a British paper), reported
on Page 22 that the test audiences have been uniformly hostile to the film.
The paper says that the first test audience was shown the film on
May 1st and hated it. There are reports that a second showing was then made
in Pasadena, (Columbia demies this), which did even worse. One woman was so
disappointed with the film she didn't fill in her score card, and the company
representatives were said to be tut-tutting at the cards that were filled in.
You `lucky' Americans have 1 week to wait. Let us know what you thought,
but don't give too much away.
Mike.
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Gary Cooper
>I'm not saying that. I still like U2
Well, then I'll forgive you of just about anything :>
- and I don't remember whether I liked
>"Arny" before or not. What bothers me is that the movies *aren't* good - and
>they are putting money into F/X and star quality, instead of a good
story.
Depends on the movie, doesn't it? _Conan the Barbarian_ was true to the
stories of Howard (which only matters if you like his stories) while
_Conan the Destroyer_ was pap - Granted, Arny ain't Branagh, but Conan
ain't a deep character. Some of his movies are creative (_Predator_ and
_T1_ leap to mind), while some of them are crap (can you say _Raw
Deal_?)
>And I think it takes a major flop on one of these multi-million dollar films
>to shock the film industry back into making good movies.
Hardly - didn't work for _Heaven's Gate_ - there's a place for
F/X/star-quality films as well as for "art", unfortuanately for me, the
place for art is about 15 miles away (I was there a couple of weeks ago
to see _Much Ado About Nothing_) while the place for F/X is on every
corner (and I'll be on the corner this weekend for _Last Action Hero_.)
>"But -- are you master of
>your domain?" - Seinfeld
"I'm OUT" - Kramer
Gary Cooper
>People in the theatre profession take it seriously. Action heros
>and entertainment aside, there is a place in movies for "real"
>acting.
But you seem to have (in your other posting) negated a place in movies
for Action Hero's and entertainment (although, if it ain't entertaining,
don't bother me with "real" acting.)
Gary Cooper
> Interesting that your list contains no actors who have become in-
>volved in politics in the way that Schwarznegger has. Which of these
>people have been appointed to positions similar to the one AS had under
>Bush/Reagan.
Oooooooooh! Arnold was made the official-Excercise-dude of the country!
What a political coup!
stephen swann
>|I wanted to like T2, but precocious kid and 'cutey' terminator ruined [...]
>
>This movie would have much better if the ending hadn't been: slow
>descent followed by Idsney-esque voice-over about machines learning to
>love of whatever it was and had *instead* been:
>
[...]
>(hey! Let's start a new list! List of movies that could have been made
>*much* better with a tiny change, like the one above, assuming you
>like the new ending. Top Ten List Of Near Perfect Films!
Here's one that always bothered me. (Well, this film needs a lot,
LOT more cutting than I'm about to mention here, but... :-)
I think that Return of the Jedi would have been a Hell of a lot better
if the ending had just panned from Vader's funeral pyre to the night
sky, and then rolled the credits; _before_ the appearance of the
fireworks and the Three Happy Ghosts. Here, give me an editing knife,
and I'll do it. :-)
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Roderick Young
> Having the kid give him the boot into molten stew would've been a real
> chuckle though. ;-)
...
Especially if the kid's foot got caught in the terminator's crotch, and
they both fell in together...