Favorite William Holden film
dan
Mine is Stalag 17, with Bridge on the River Kwai a close second,
followed by Sunset Boulevard and Network.
dan
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Dan wrote:
<<Mine is Stalag 17, with Bridge on the River Kwai a close second,
followed by Sunset Boulevard and Network.>>
"Sunset Boulevard" hands down. If only for the great voice over
narration.
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In addition to the obvious, I would add to the "obscure" list the
wonderful The Counterfeit Traitor directed by George Seaton. Holden is
terrific in this.
Alex Goddard
Wow, that's a tough one. _Bridge...Kwai_, _Sunset Blvd_ and _Stallag 17_
are all brilliant. _Sabrina_ is terrific too. I guess I'll pick _Kwai_
if I have to pick one only.
Alex
JimNeibaur
Some lesser known - but still great - William Holden movies:
Golden Boy, Invisible Stripes, Our Town, Streets of Laredo, The Moon is
Blue, and Satan Never Sleeps
Of course most film buffs will mention movies like Stalag, Kwai, Network,
et al. And those are indeed wonderful. But Holden fans should also check
out the above titles if they have not already seen them.
JimN
Hanhuck
_Sunset Boulevard_, _Born Yesterday_, _SOB_, and _An Apartment for Peggy_.
Hannah
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"I rebel--therefore we exist." -- Camus.
Kathy O'Connell
Thank you for including SOB and "Peggy"!
I'm rather fond of a bizarre one called "The Remarkable Andrew."
Brian Donlevy plays the ghost of Andrew Jackson, who helps Holden.
Written by Dalton Trumbo.
A sweet little nothing comedy, but Holden is nice.
Hanhuck (han...@aol.com) wrote:
: _Sunset Boulevard_, _Born Yesterday_, _SOB_, and _An Apartment for Peggy_.
Mitchell Holman
I read somewhere that Holden himself thought "Network" was
his best piece. I tend to agree, with Kwai as a close second.
JimNeibaur
wedeking wrote:
I like the premise of
Born Yesterday, but the girl Holiday was so annoying, I just fast forward
when she's on screen. Too hard to watch.
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I never cared for Judy Holliday either, but we are likely in the minority.
When those films were made, she was a sensation and destined to become a
superstar. She died very young, so none of this happened.
JimN
P.J. Gladnick
JimNeibaur <jimne...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970815132...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
My favorite William Holden flick was STALAG 17. Remember that speech at the
end where he said something like "It might have been dinnertime in Berlin
but it Cleveland it was lunchtime." And then he slapped Peter Graves across
the face a couple of times.
dan
In article <19970815022...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, han...@aol.com
says...
>
>_Sunset Boulevard_, _Born Yesterday_, _SOB_, and _An Apartment for Peggy_.
>
>Hannah
>
Sunset Blvd. is awesome. Still holds up well today. I like the premise of
Born Yesterday, but the girl Holiday was so annoying, I just fast forward
when she's on screen. Too hard to watch.
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dan
In article <19970814045...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
jimne...@aol.com says...
I have already looked for all of those on video and it is impossible to
find. I can find Golden Boy to buy, but not rent. I'm also looking for Dark
Past. I finally found The Horse Soldiers today.
dan
(I take that back, I did find OUr Town the other day)
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t.cruise
On 15 Aug 1997 02:22:10 GMT, han...@aol.com (Hanhuck) wrote:
>_Sunset Boulevard_, _Born Yesterday_, _SOB_, and _An Apartment for Peggy_.
>
"Apartment For Peggy" and "Dear Ruth" are two of my favorites. Holden
is at his best in these two, playing the "every man G.I." Though not
a film, his playful guest star turn on "I Love Lucy" is a favorite of
mine too.
T.Cruise
Phil
There is a line in a guilty pleasure straight to vid film called the
Stoned Age, where one stoner says something about "getting all William
Holden-style fucked up" on Schnapps. CAn anyone explain the reference,
if there is such an explanation?
Thanks,
Phil
vegas john
In article <5sto1a$28u$5...@marina.cinenet.net>,
wede...@no.spam (dan) wrote:
>
> Mine is Stalag 17, with Bridge on the River Kwai a close second,
> followed by Sunset Boulevard and Network.
>
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Those movies are his best work,also i like him in "The Wild Bunch" as
Pike. he was good in "Sabrina" too.
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dan
In article <33F525...@earthlink.net>, alian...@earthlink.net says...
I've never heard of the film, but I assume it makes reference to Holden's
legendary drinking binges. Supposedly, on a lot of films he where he is
supposed to be drunk, he really was (like in Wild Bunch). He was a big time
boozer and died because of his drinking. He was drunk and fell and hit his
head on a table. Supposedly, he was still alive for a while, but was just to
drunk to do anything and finally bled to death. I have read all that I can
on the guy, as I'm workign on a screenplay that concerns Holden.
dan
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dan
In article <01bca9b8$a197fba0$d563e3c7@default>, pjg...@gate.net says...
>
>
>My favorite William Holden flick was STALAG 17. Remember that speech at the
>end where he said something like "It might have been dinnertime in Berlin
>but it Cleveland it was lunchtime." And then he slapped Peter Graves across
>the face a couple of times.
>
>
>
Still one of my favorite movies of all time. I can watch that film over and
over. I never get tired of it. Holden was a stud in that film (and Kwai)
dan
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t.cruise
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 04:00:23 +0000, Phil <alian...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>There is a line in a guilty pleasure straight to vid film called the
>Stoned Age, where one stoner says something about "getting all William
>Holden-style fucked up" on Schnapps. CAn anyone explain the reference,
>if there is such an explanation?
>
>Thanks,
William Holden became a big time alcoholic in his later life. This
from the Internet Movie Database Bio: Died from a laceration to his
forehead which was caused by hitting his head during a bout of heavy
drinking.
T.Cruise
J Ramsay
I would add "Picnic" to the list. Some have argued about the casting,
saying he was too old for the part, but I cannot agree. I think he was
just right for it. It was also his most romantic part. Who can forget
that wonderful scene dancing on the river barge with the coloured
lights and the beautiful music?
Bob Morrisette
In article AAA0...@ladder02.news.aol.com, jimne...@aol.com (JimNeibaur) writes:
> Some lesser known - but still great - William Holden movies:
>
> Golden Boy, Invisible Stripes, Our Town, Streets of Laredo, The Moon is
> Blue, and Satan Never Sleeps
>
> Of course most film buffs will mention movies like Stalag, Kwai, Network,
> et al. And those are indeed wonderful. But Holden fans should also check
> out the above titles if they have not already seen them.
>
> JimN
Can't understand why no one has mentioned Picnic.
I'll never forget Kim Novak coming down the river.
mjdev
JimNeibaur wrote:
>
> wedeking wrote:
>
> I like the premise of
> Born Yesterday, but the girl Holiday was so annoying, I just fast forward
> when she's on screen. Too hard to watch.
>
> I never cared for Judy Holliday either, but we are likely in the minority.
> When those films were made, she was a sensation and destined to become a
> superstar. She died very young, so none of this happened.
>
> JimN
Maybe it was the role. Melanie Griffith was extremely annoying in the
remake of "Born Yesterday", too.
Marcie (then again...maybe it _is_ the actress)
Nell Minow
And I can't resist recommending "Dear Ruth" to all Holden fans -- he is
terrific in this movie, one of the big hits of the WWII era. It's said
that J.D. Salinger got the name for his character from the last names of
the two stars -- the other was Joan Caulfield.
Nell Minow
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t.cruise
On 23 Aug 1997 02:14:12 GMT, RCP...@prodigy.com (Nell Minow) wrote:
>And I can't resist recommending "Dear Ruth" to all Holden fans -- he is
>terrific in this movie, one of the big hits of the WWII era. It's said
>that J.D. Salinger got the name for his character from the last names of
>the two stars -- the other was Joan Caulfield.
>
"Dear Ruth" is one of my favorites too. The sequel, "Dear Wife" is
not as good, but enjoyable though. "Apartment For Peggy" is another of
the same heart-warming genre.
T.Cruise
t.cruise
On 24 Aug 1997 04:11:02 GMT, gnik...@maps.on (dan) wrote:
>
>I've been looking for Dear Ruth but cannot find it. I believe Dear Wife
>isn't even on video.
>
>"Rachel and the Stranger" is another lesser known but good Holden film.
>
>dan
"Rachel and the Stranger" is a favorite of mine too. Good prints of
"Dear Ruth" and "Dear Wife" can be found uncut and commercial free,
every few months on AMC. Watch for them...
T.Cruise
Agnar Kristjan Thorsteinsson
> What about THe wild bunch, why hasn´t anybody mentioned that?.
Matt Beckwith
Which is the one where he's a writer who hires a typist in a hotel
room?
Steven Cohan
Matt Beckwith wrote:
>
> Which is the one where he's a writer who hires a typist in a hotel
> room?
Paris When It Sizzles with Audrey Hepburn.
chance
[]Which is the one where he's a writer who hires a typist in a hotel
[]room?
[]
Sounds like "Suzie Wong", but it's been awhile.
As far as Holden's films go, I rather like "The Bridges at Toko-Ri" (though
I keep wishing the ending would change!)
BOB
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:34:10 +0000, The Kaisers <toa...@mail.idt.net>
wrote:
> I vote for The Counterfeit Traitor, an excellent thriller that seems
>to have been entirely forgotten.
>
> David Kaiser
>
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Kolaga
This isn't my favorite, but I just watched THE DARK PAST (1948).
Holden as Al Walker is a completely different person from the Joe
Gillis character of SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950). That's the mark of
a real actor. Humphrey Bogart -- every one of his films -- he's
the same guy.
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Bob Reimer
Kolaga wrote:
> This isn't my favorite, but I just watched THE DARK PAST (1948).
> Holden as Al Walker is a completely different person from the Joe
> Gillis character of SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950). That's the mark of
> a real actor. Humphrey Bogart -- every one of his films -- he's
> the same guy.
The next time you visit your video store, please take home THE TREASURE
OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1948), IN A LONELY PLACE (1950), THE AFRICAN QUEEN
(1951) and THE CAINE MUTINY (1954). These roles are certainly not the
same guy.
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No Killfile
In article <5uddtp$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Xiuhtecuht...@worldnet.att.net says...
>
>This isn't my favorite, but I just watched THE DARK PAST (1948).
>Holden as Al Walker is a completely different person from the Joe
>Gillis character of SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950). That's the mark of
>a real actor. Humphrey Bogart -- every one of his films -- he's
>the same guy.
>Remove the characters SPAMMENOT to reply via e-mail
I have been looking for this film on video but I cannot find it.
dan
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Kolaga
On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:42:59 -0500,
Bob Reimer <bre...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Kolaga wrote:
>
>> This isn't my favorite, but I just watched THE DARK PAST (1948).
>> Holden as Al Walker is a completely different person from the Joe
>> Gillis character of SUNSET BOULEVARD (1950). That's the mark of
>> a real actor. Humphrey Bogart -- every one of his films -- he's
>> the same guy.
>
>The next time you visit your video store, please take home THE TREASURE
>OF THE SIERRA MADRE (1948), IN A LONELY PLACE (1950), THE AFRICAN QUEEN
>(1951) and THE CAINE MUTINY (1954). These roles are certainly not the
>same guy.
Bogart had the role of a horse trainer in DARK VICTORY (1940?). He
attempted an Irish accent even. It wasn't one of the roles that
people talk about much. Look. If it weren't for John Huston, Bogart
would have been a character actor. Bogart had charisma as a man
with a trench-coat and an automatic. Certainly, Bogart isn't that
in THE BAREFOOT CONTESSA (1954?).
Now compare to Gary Cooper in HIGH NOON, MEET JOHN DOE, SERGEAT YORK
and LOVE IN THE AFTERNOON. I think Cooper is sort of the "same
person" in those movies. James Stewart had a basic personna that
he hardly ever shed. Maybe FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX is the one James
Stewart movie where he's nearly unlikable.
My idea of a great actor is Robert Duval. He can be a villain or
a lush or a patriarch.
Even Edgar G. Robinson could shift between his authoritarian tough
guy personna over to his meek personna or his warm personna.
Hanhuck
>From: Xiuhtecuht...@worldnet.att.net (Kolaga)
>Now compare to Gary Cooper in HIGH NOON, MEET JOHN DOE, SERGEAT YORK
>and LOVE IN THE AFTERNOON. I think Cooper is sort of the "same
>person" in those movies.
>My idea of a great actor is Robert Duval. He can be a villain or
>a lush or a patriarch.
I think we're comparing apples and oranges here. Duval may be a better
actor than Gary Cooper (and that's debatable since Cooper is wonderful as
the anti-hero in _The Hanging Tree_, has-been cowboy in _Man of the West_,
inept cowboy in _Along Came Jones_, dashing bastard in _Morocco_, and
Quaker patriarch in _Friendly Persuasion_), but IMO Duval is not an actor
with an overwhelming personality that jumps off the screen. That's what
Gary Cooper has; his is a unique film persona, born to portray Alvin York,
Lou Gehrig, Longfellow Deeds, and Will Kane. The same goes for other "gods"
of classic Hollywood like John Wayne, Clark Gable, Jimmy Cagney, and Fred
Astaire.
>James Stewart had a basic personna that
>he hardly ever shed. Maybe FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX is the one James
>Stewart movie where he's nearly unlikable.
I'll duck now -- I've never cared for Jimmy Stewart, except in _Harvey_
and _Rear Window_, because he's too whiney. He drives me insane in _Man Who
Shot Liberty Valance_, an otherwise perfect film.
Hannah
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Actors like Gary Cooper were not terribly versatile but did create and
perfect a certain screen persona that not only reached major stardom
throughout his lifetime, but also achieved a certain legendary status.
Personally, I think Humphrey Bogart is one of the best actors in film
history (along with Jimmy Cagney, Edward G. Robinson, William Powell---),
but not because of any versatility. I love Bogey because of the charisma
he manages to exude in even his weaker films. He always captivates me and
maintains my interest.
The reason I like films of the 30s and 40s so much is because of these
charismatic performers (and also the screenwriting).
JimN
There have been maybe 100 sensational movies made since 1955 -- before
that there were about that many per year.
Hanhuck
>From: jimne...@aol.com (JimNeibaur)
>Personally, I think Humphrey Bogart is one of the best actors in film
>history (along with Jimmy Cagney, Edward G. Robinson, William Powell---),
>but not because of any versatility. I love Bogey because of the charisma
>he manages to exude in even his weaker films. He always captivates me and
>maintains my interest.
>The reason I like films of the 30s and 40s so much is because of these
>charismatic performers (and also the screenwriting).
Well-said! Exactly!!!
FRAJM
>Anyway, once Bogart outgrew his trench coat in the fifties, his career
>didn't prosper. No one seems to have seen BEAT THE DEVIL (1954?) even
>though I think it's both a good movie and a good performance by
>Bogart.
Bogart hated this movie and said about it, "Only the phonies think it's
funny. It's a mess." One of the reasons he hated it was that he his own
money in it and it was a financial disaster. The film also ended his long
association with John Huston and some say it killed the whole genre of
international thriller. It is, for me and lot of others who have come to it
in later years, a very funny movie with some priceless satirical
performances, especially Jennifer Jones.
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
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JimNeibaur
Any Bogart film before 1940 is probably going to be a disappointment
----------------------
The Petrified Forest, Bullets or Ballots, Black Legion, Marked Woman, Kid
Galahad, Dead End, Angels With Dirty Faces, and The Roaring Twenties are
far from disappointing --
I realize Bogey was not the sole reason for many of the above films'
success, but he certainly turned in wonderful performances in each of them.
Petrified Forest, Dead End, and Kid Galahad are standouts.
JimN
The StinkyCheeseMan
In article <5uijij$a...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Kolaga <Xiuhtecuht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Anyway, once Bogart outgrew his trench coat in the fifties, his career
>didn't prosper. No one seems to have seen BEAT THE DEVIL (1954?) even
>though I think it's both a good movie and a good performance by
>Bogart.
>
I;m not sure about that. Afterall, both Sabrina and The African Queen
are from the 50's and they were both quite popular. I can't say I'm
crazy about Beat the Devil myself. But two other later perfomances
of Bogart's do stand out. His reporter in The Harder They Fall is
very well drawn. Even better is his performance in The Desparate
Hours. I prefer it to his similar characterization in the earlier
Petrified Forest.
John D.
cen0...@centuryinter.net
The Kaisers <toa...@mail.idt.net> wrote:
> I vote for The Counterfeit Traitor, an excellent thriller that seems
>to have been entirely forgotten.
> David Kaiser
It wasn't that good, though Holden made many that were.
Mike Rice
cen0...@centuryinter.net
p045...@pb.seflin.org (Thomas G Corrigan) wrote:
>My favorite Holden films were "The Bridge on the River Kwai" (1957) and
>"Network" (1976).
>Tom Corrigan
>p045...@pb.seflin.org
Holden played against his own type in Network. He gave
a mock serious speech to Diane where he said something
like, "Diane, my whole life is on the line here. But to you I'm
just a few lines in TV Guide, a few words before you look at
the Nielsen Overnights. Diane, you can't put on the "pause"
switch with me and expect me to just take it from you!" Holden,
Widmark and Bogie had all patented the post world war Two
"Integrity Voice" in which the character would speak for that
whole generation, explaining why he holds these ideals, and why
they are important. I think Holden may have started doing it in
Executive Suite for the first time. Bogie originated the "Integrity
Voice" speech, he was the first. The first instance in which I
can recall him using it is in The Maltese Falcon, when he tells
Mary Astor, something like, "When a man's partner is killed,
he's expected to do something about it. That's why I'm sending
you over, dearest. Oh, I'll always love you, and when you get
out of jail, I'll be waiting for you. But Miles was my partner, and
you offed him. Now someone's got to pay." Then he kisses her
and sends her off with the cops.
Mike Rice
peter krynicki
cen0...@centuryinter.net wrote:
> > Holden,
> Widmark and Bogie had all patented the post world war Two
> "Integrity Voice" in which the character would speak for that
> whole generation, explaining why he holds these ideals, and why
> they are important. I think Holden may have started doing it in
> Executive Suite for the first time. Bogie originated the "Integrity
> Voice" speech, he was the first. The first instance in which I
> can recall him using it is in The Maltese Falcon, when he tells
> Mary Astor, something like, "When a man's partner is killed,
> he's expected to do something about it. That's why I'm sending
> you over, dearest. Oh, I'll always love you, and when you get
> out of jail, I'll be waiting for you. But Miles was my partner, and
> you offed him. Now someone's got to pay." Then he kisses her
> and sends her off with the cops.
>
> Mike Rice
IMO the integrity Voice goes back even further. "Back home there's this
hill outside of my house. Some cars go up it lickity split. Others put
it in first gear and go up more slowly. Others don't make it up the hill
at all. What I tried to do was to help those cars that can't make it at
all." (Or words to that effect). Mr. Deeds (Gary Cooper) goes to Town.
And when did Mr. Smith go to Washington.
Pjk
x
Joseph Hakim
Countessa,The Left Hand Of God! Bogart - even after leaving Warner
career remains the most charismatic.
peter krynicki
Kolaga wrote:
>
> Anyway, once Bogart outgrew his trench coat in the fifties, his career
> didn't prosper. No one seems to have seen BEAT THE DEVIL (1954?) even
> though I think it's both a good movie and a good performance by
> Bogart.
>
>
I want to disagree but I don't have the dates of these movies at hand.
The Barefoot Contessa
The Caine Mutiny
The African Queen
I think Bogart aged as well as, say, Clint Eastwood has in his more
recent movies. He needed to live another 10 years to be fully recognized
and towards the end of his career, IMO, he just wasn't interested in
making movies so as to be/remain a big name star. He seemed to be more
interested in sailing his boat. More power to him.
Pjk
mack twamley
.> > of Bogart's do stand out. His reporter in The Harder They Fall is
> > very well drawn. Even better is his performance in The Desparate
> > Hours. I prefer it to his similar characterization in the earlier
> > Petrified Forest.
> >
> > John D.
> And you forgot The Caine Mutiny,We Are No Angels, The Barefoot
> Countessa,The Left Hand Of God! Bogart - even after leaving Warner
> career remains the most charismatic.
>
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and don't forget In A Lonely Place, where his frightening rage built over
time and you began to believe him capable of murder. A somewhat
overlooked film.
Bob Reimer
I would add another Bogart film of the 1950's: IN A LONELY PLACE.
Another wonderful performance by a great actor who is often unfairly
characterized as a personality rather than an actor. He was both.
Thomas G Corrigan
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Re: favorite Holden films. I'm losing it -forgot to mention "Stalag 17."
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