Marlon Brando
DarrinT68
>From: Roseanne Rosannadanna Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]
>Date: 7/17/01 2:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <a056575336e53f23...@anonymous.poster>>
>>I dunno. Even in early tough guy flicks like "The Wild One," Brando
>>often had the hint of a soft, womanly quality to him.>
>Yeah about the same time. Marlon got on Joan Crawfords shit list by >refusing
her invitations to her home. >And>James Dean had an obsession of alway's
trying to get a hold of Marlon>on the set ('53-'54) to no avail. >
Being a Deaner (ehe), I must correct you. Brando did in fact pay a visit to the
set of EAST OF EDEN. Dean returned the favor by appearing on the set of
DESIREE. I have both pictures of the events scanned. Say when and I can send
them to you via email. -D
Nimrod``
When.
N``
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DarrinT68
>From: Nimrod`` nim...@go-c.com
>Date: 7/17/01 11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <vVtUO4YzjDE6dH=BKSYyU...@4ax.com>
>
>On 17 Jul 2001 08:23:02 GMT, darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
>
>>Subject: Marlon Brando
>>>From: Roseanne Rosannadanna Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]
>>>Date: 7/17/01 2:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <a056575336e53f23...@anonymous.poster>>
>>
>>>>I dunno. Even in early tough guy flicks like "The Wild One," Brando
>>>>often had the hint of a soft, womanly quality to him.>
>>>Yeah about the same time. Marlon got on Joan Crawfords shit list by
>>refusing
>>her invitations to her home. >And>James Dean had an obsession of alway's
>>trying to get a hold of Marlon>on the set ('53-'54) to no avail. >
>>
>>Being a Deaner (ehe), I must correct you. Brando did in fact pay a visit to
>the
>>set of EAST OF EDEN. Dean returned the favor by appearing on the set of
>>DESIREE. I have both pictures of the events scanned. Say when and I can send
>>them to you via email. -D>
>When.
>N``>
That was quick! LOL! As per your request, check your email! Enjoy! -D
Steve Oldham
DarrinT68
>From: Steve Oldham stev...@rocsoft.net
>Date: 7/17/01 4:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <jo99ltsdce4bh3rfb...@4ax.com>
Steve, anything for a fellow Deaner & Brando fan!heh -D
Steve Oldham
Much obliged! Interesting body language in those pics. Brando was the
lion, Dean the cub.
Steve
DarrinT68
>Message-id: <40i9ltoljfcfku3us...@4ax.com>
Steve, your email response was better!eehe You said, "Looking at the attitudes
of the people in the pics, it's obvious that Brando was king and Dean the
prince (and future king). I'm surprised by those on the NG who don't see the
largeness of Dean's talent and the fact that he was just beginning to mine it!"
My response:
I see you had the privilege of reading the
Dean thread from April of this year, eh!? Unfortunately, since DEAN is the
MUTANT KING of HOLLYWOOD, there are many who are still unable to accept his
eternal genius. Not surprising, since there has yet to be anyone else like
him. Not before, not since! No other star had so sudden an impact on Hollywood
and the world. e.g. CLARK GABLE made 67 movies, BOGART 80, GARY COOPER 92.
DEAN made three films: EAST OF EDEN, REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE and GIANT. His
celluloid career lasted a brief 16 months, yet his fame rivals that of the
greats. -D
Nimrod``
>Steve, your email response was better!eehe You said, "Looking at the attitudes
>of the people in the pics, it's obvious that Brando was king and Dean the
>prince (and future king). I'm surprised by those on the NG who don't see the
>largeness of Dean's talent and the fact that he was just beginning to mine it!"
> My response:
>I see you had the privilege of reading the
>Dean thread from April of this year, eh!? Unfortunately, since DEAN is the
>MUTANT KING of HOLLYWOOD, there are many who are still unable to accept his
>eternal genius. Not surprising, since there has yet to be anyone else like
>him. Not before, not since! No other star had so sudden an impact on Hollywood
>and the world. e.g. CLARK GABLE made 67 movies, BOGART 80, GARY COOPER 92.
>DEAN made three films: EAST OF EDEN, REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE and GIANT. His
>celluloid career lasted a brief 16 months, yet his fame rivals that of the
>greats. -D
>
>
>
Eternal genius, my ass. Fame and talent are two completely different
things. Only a fool thinks an actor's fame or notoriety denotes
acting quality or ability. It's a no-brainer to call him the "future
king" when he never had to deliver the goods; it's all mental
masturbation. Hell, Tom Laughlin got real famous within certain
quarters on the basis of three films, but I don't think anyone would
call him a good actor (he was just another Dean clone in fact).
Even Elia Kazan did not think as highly of Dean's talent as he did of
Brando's....he makes that quite clear in his autobiography, and Kazan
indicates that he had to manipulate Dean and play lots of tricks to
get the kind of performance he wanted out of Dean. To hear Kazan tell
it, he couldn't wait to be shed of Dean, yet he continued to want to
work with Brando and did.
All said, Dean was really a bit of a one-trick pony who I suspect
would have shown his limitations even further over time; and the
limited number of appearances he gave in the brief period before his
young death saved his scrawny butt acting-reputation-wise. Dying was
the best career move he ever made. Dean lacked the innate flexibility
and inventiveness of Brando; the tools of a truly great actor. Jane
Leeves made a priceless comment once about wishing James Dean had
lived so we could have seen him old and fat and working on
Dynasty....thereby possibly sparing us from a Hollywood filled with
these tedious slouching young chips off the "Human Ashtray" (as Dean
was known in certain underground circles).
Dean was not so much a good actor...rather he was a jittery neurotic
whose neurosis passed for depth of feeling to all too many and held
one's eye like watching a bug. The one time he tried to portray
anything beyond himself, as the aging Jett Rink in GIANT, he is
unconvincing and forced. He lacked real weight or range as an actor,
sliding along on nothing much but attitude. For me, he only remains
interesting in the early sequences of GIANT, largely due to his
working in contrast to the other star performers on that huge
canvas....his work in REBEL and EDEN now seems phony and fatuous,
downright irritating in fact, with him just being quirky for its own
sake instead of organic or believable. An actor like Montgomery Clift
puts Dean to shame...as did Brando.
Watch Dean whining hysterically and handling the money in that scene
with Raymond Massey in EDEN, Dean giving us all his angst and emoting
at full histrionic bore while spilling the cash, trying to hug his po
daddy. It's just bad acting....died-in-the-wool bad acting.
Pretentious as hell; stagey and shallow. It might fool some
hormone-tortured teenager, but I'm amazed anyone else would fall for
it at this point.
Thomas
> Dying was
>the best career move he ever made.
It seems to work for a lot of people, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Stephen Cooke
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Nimrod`` wrote:
> Watch Dean whining hysterically and handling the money in that scene
> with Raymond Massey in EDEN, Dean giving us all his angst and emoting
> at full histrionic bore while spilling the cash, trying to hug his po
> daddy. It's just bad acting....died-in-the-wool bad acting.
> Pretentious as hell; stagey and shallow. It might fool some
> hormone-tortured teenager, but I'm amazed anyone else would fall for
> it at this point.
But he paved the way for William Shatner!
I enjoy Dean's films--they're well-crafted--but I agree with you on his
acting skills. Everytime I watch Rebel W/O A Cause, I cringe at scenes
where he screams "You're tearing me apart!" with such exaggerated gusto.
Poor Jim Backus, he probably preferred working with Bob Denver.
Moody and cute...a deadly combination.
Stephen
Nimrod``
<am...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>
>On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Nimrod`` wrote:
>
>> Watch Dean whining hysterically and handling the money in that scene
>> with Raymond Massey in EDEN, Dean giving us all his angst and emoting
>> at full histrionic bore while spilling the cash, trying to hug his po
>> daddy. It's just bad acting....died-in-the-wool bad acting.
>> Pretentious as hell; stagey and shallow. It might fool some
>> hormone-tortured teenager, but I'm amazed anyone else would fall for
>> it at this point.
>
>But he paved the way for William Shatner!
More truth in that than many would like to admit...
>
>I enjoy Dean's films--they're well-crafted--but I agree with you on his
>acting skills. Everytime I watch Rebel W/O A Cause, I cringe at scenes
>where he screams "You're tearing me apart!" with such exaggerated gusto.
>Poor Jim Backus, he probably preferred working with Bob Denver.
And who could blame him. Dean must have been downright tedious and
embarrassing to struggle through a scene with in contrast to our
bullshit-free, bong-huffing Little Buddy.
What a lot of folks don't seem to grasp these days is that directors
like Kazan and Stevens were using Dean at the moment the same way
businessmen/directors/studios today use the latest hot young thing
with the girls and teens in whatever latest opus, in order to get the
picture financed and insure box office; it doesn't mean they really
think they're such great actors. Cases in point: Coppola/Keanu
Reeves/BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA, Cameron/Leonardo Di Caprio/TITANIC,
AnyDirector/Brad Pitt/ANYFILM.
>
>Moody and cute...a deadly combination.
Uh....did I mention Brad Pitt?
N``
.
James Allen
It would be nice if Brad Pitt could take some innitiative in this department.
trickster
movie on James Dean. I wonder who will play him?
DarrinT68
>From: Nimrod`` nim...@go-c.com
>Date: 7/18/01 1:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <exBVOy3UQQE+DN...@4ax.com>
Steve, I'm glad I continued the conversation! SARCASTIC LOL! Sorry, but if Dean
had lived, he would have surely surpassed Brando and Olivier. There's no
question in my mind! Nicholas Ray (director of Rebel) shared in the same
sentiments. Once again, envy & the unwillingness to accept Dean's short but
sudden stardom, plays a significant factor in opposing his genius. As for
Clift!? Another one of my favs, but if not for John Garfield (Julius Garfinkle,
sweet Jew), where would Clift & Brando be!? If we use your rationale, every
actor would be guillty of emulation. Dean admired Brando, Brando admired
Clift. Dean had often been quoted as saying, "In one hand, I have Clift saying,
"Help me!," and in the other, I have Brando saying, "F*ck you!" Remember, first
came Garfield, then came Clift. Brando, Dean & Newman (who ultimately starred
in films that had been slated for Dean) soon followed. Each and everyone was
responsible for keeping the "rebellious method acting" tradition alive! In
the end, Dean was the FIRST AMERICAN TEENAGER! The first to capture the true
raw emotion of alienated youth. The fact that he didn't live to maturity is
what made him such a potent symbol for the adolescents of his own and of
subsequent generations. And all of this was done through his ingenious ability
as an actor!! Steve, crappy actors do not receive two Academy Award
nominations!! One being posthumous. Remember, any shnook can die, but as Dean
himself has said, "There's only one true form of greatness for a man. If he can
bridge the gap between life and death...if he can live on after he's
died...then he was a great man." And that's precisely what he has ultimately
done! Incidentally, August 5th marks the TNT debut of "James Dean: An Invented
Life," starring James Franco. Directed by Mark Rydell (On Golden Pond) and
produced by Michael Mann (The Insider). Critics are already raving about
Franco's performance!! Further proof that Dean's STAR is still shining
brightly! 40+ years after his death and Hollywood is still making films about
his genius.
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/18/01 9:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9j43ib$lf2$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>
Ah, but if TOM CRUISE plotzed tmr, would he ever achieve the same cult status
as Dean!? Me no think so!eheh
Steve Oldham
> It's a no-brainer to call him the "future
>king" when he never had to deliver the goods; it's all mental
>masturbation.
Actually I was referring to the body language in the photos when I
used the terms 'future king'.
I think Dean had tremendous raw talent. Whether he would have grown as
an actor.......who knows? My guess is that he would have wound up
destroying himself ala Clift.
Yes Clift & Brando lived long enough to prove the depth of their
talent. Would Dean have been able to shed the angst ridden teen
persona and become a more refined mature actor? Only if he grew as a
person and resisted the various tar pits that were waiting for him.
Hell, I think he delivered big-time in the two scenes with Backus &
Massey.
Dean's career was just a quick snap shot. Our views about what the
future may have held for him are going to be biased by whether or not
we like what he did during that brief period.
Steve
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/18/01 5:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <f1ff6f4a.01071...@posting.google.com>
>
>I've seen some ads around town to the effect that TNT will be making a
>movie on James Dean. I wonder who will play him?
While I've already touched on the film in a prior response, James Franco
(t.v.'s Freaks & Geeks) nabbed the role. The film will be premiering on TNT,
this coming AUGUST 5th. FYI: Critics are already raving about Franco's
spectacular performance. As word has it, a gala crowd came to an exclusive
screening and sat in riveted silence with explosive applause at the end.
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/18/01 6:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <942cltgcm5khkp3mv...@4ax.com>
>
>I think Dean had tremendous raw talent. Whether he would have grown as
>an actor.......who knows? My guess is that he would have wound up
>destroying himself ala Clift.
>
>Yes Clift & Brando lived long enough to prove the depth of their
>talent. Would Dean have been able to shed the angst ridden teen
>persona and become a more refined mature actor? Only if he grew as a
>person and resisted the various tar pits that were waiting for him.
Did GIANT not prove that his talent far exceeded youth oriented roles? If he
had lived, he would have gone on to star in SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME, THE
LEFT HANDED GUN (Billy The Kid), THE HUSTLER, and every other film that PAUL
NEWMAN has starred in!eeheh
Nimrod``
Sigh....me thinks this guy must be some shill for TNT to promote their
piddling opus.
Nimrod``
Do you pick up the checks at the TNT offices in Atlanta....or do they
do a direct deposit into your account under a fictitious name?
Nimrod``
<stev...@rocsoft.net> wrote:
>
>Hell, I think he delivered big-time in the two scenes with Backus &
>Massey.
>
That is some really godawful overacting by Dean in those scenes; phony
as a three-dollar-bill. If you can tell me with a straight face that
you aren't constantly conscious of him ACTING, ACTING, ACTING while
you're watching those scenes...then you're a better actor than Dean
ever was by a long shot.
The essence of The Method (and to some extent of Stanislavski's
System) is that the actor submerges himself or herself in the role,
feeling the emotion and experience from the within...thereby
triggering the proper physical response in zen-like fashion instead of
resorting to external gimmicks and tricks. In other words, if the
actor's delivery is glaring with self-conscous design and overt,
stagey technique....if you are AWARE of him being AWARE that he's
acting, then he ain't really feeling it.
Now, tell me straight-faced that Dean doesn't look extremely
self-aware his performance in those scenes...aware that he's going for
big phony-crying effects. Tell me that his spilling the cash while
holding his hands that way and trying to hug Raymond Massey is not a
totally thought out gimmick. Tell me that you ever really believe for
one moment that he's truly weeping in those scenes. He's not even
vaguely close to a real teardrop amidst all his huffing and puffing.
It's a puny little lie, like he was, in big sheep's clothing.
Nimrod``
He might have appeared in a few of them instead of Newman, and they
would have probably been lesser films for it....since Paul Newman was
a man with a man's soul, which gave him room to grow as an actor and
as a man and is precisely what mature work like THE HUSTLER and even
SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME needed....while Dean had the stunted
essence of a neurotic boy. Kazan even noted that, while he considered
Paul to be a superior actor, he ultimately chose Dean over Newman for
EAST OF EDEN because Paul was a man and Dean was a boy.
GIANT only proved that Dean could NOT play anything but a boy
convincingly....he's completely unconvincing as an older man, playing
the aging Jett Rink, and never seems like anything but a young hipster
with a bad drip of a mustache and make-up trowelled on. No child on
the street would ever have actually thought him an older man....he
would have been spotted right away as a kid in make-up by even the
laziest eye.
That's why the header of this thread is a dumb joke; no putz who only
played the same basic role three times then snuffed himself could ever
be truly the "Greatest Actor Of All Time". There ain't no "there"
there.
It's time for you to wake up, grow up, and smell the frigging
coffee...
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/18/01 11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <jFJWO9jOXz5m1A...@4ax.com>
>
>On 18 Jul 2001 23:12:01 GMT, darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: James Dean: Greatest Actor Of All Time
>>>From: tricks...@yahoo.com (trickster)
>>>Date: 7/18/01 5:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <f1ff6f4a.01071...@posting.google.com>
>>>
>>>I've seen some ads around town to the effect that TNT will be making a
>>>movie on James Dean. I wonder who will play him?
>>
>>While I've already touched on the film in a prior response, James Franco
>>(t.v.'s Freaks & Geeks) nabbed the role. The film will be premiering on TNT,
>>this coming AUGUST 5th. FYI: Critics are already raving about Franco's
>>spectacular performance. As word has it, a gala crowd came to an exclusive
>>screening and sat in riveted silence with explosive applause at the end.
>Do you pick up the checks at the TNT offices in Atlanta....or do they
>do a direct deposit into your account under a fictitious name?
>N``>
Heh! Steve, why such venom for DEAN?eh
Are you one of the 99% of struggling actors who has yet to make it? LOL!
Steve, DEAN was pure gold on screen! Flawless performances that cemented his
genius. Here are a few quotable quotes from his fellow brethren:
A few weeks before the Beatles recorded its first hit record, "LOVE ME DO," in
1962, fifth member Stewart Sutcliffe died at the age of 21. Years later, John
Lennon is quoted as saying: "[Stewart Sutcliffe] was really our leader, and he
was really into the James Dean thing. He idolized him. Stewart died young
before we made the big time, but I suppose you could say that without Jimmy
Dean, The Beatles would have never existed." -John Lennon
"All of us were touched by Jimmy, and he was touched by greatness."
-Natalie Wood
"Jim Dean and Elvis were the spokesmen for an entire generation. When I was in
acting school in New York, years ago, there was a saying that if Marlon Brando
changed the way people acted, then James Dean changed the way people lived.
He was the greatest actor who ever lived. He was simply a genius." - Martin
Sheen
"Actually, the person I related to was James Dean. I grew up with the Dean
thing. Rebel Without A Cause had a very powerful effect on me." -Al Pacino
"He was very afraid of being hurt. He was afraid of opening up in case it was
turned around and used against him."
- Elizabeth Taylor
"[Dean's] death caused a loss in the movie world that our industry could ill
afford. Had he lived long enough, I feel he would have made some incredible
films. He had sensitivity and a capacity to express emotion." -Gary Cooper
"I didn't know what to do. How do you tell an eight-year-old boy his mother's
going to die? I tried. In my own stumbling way I tried to prepare Jim for it.
Nowadays, he lives in a world we don't understand too well, the actors world.
We don?t see too much of him. But he?s a good boy, my Jim. A good boy, and I"m
very proud of him. Not easy to understand, no sir. He's
not easy to understand. But he's all man, and he'll make his mark. Mind you, my
boy will make his mark." -Winton Dean (cousin) in Modern Screen, August
1955
"He could look in a delicatessen window and suddenly start waving at a bowl
of prunes, like they were alive. He was childish in a charming way."
-Christine White
"He had the greatest power of concentration I have ever encountered. He
prepared himself so well in advance for any scene he was playing, that the
lines were not simply something he had memorized -- they were actually a very
real part of him." -Jim Backus
"Every time I go to Europe, I remember that James Dean never saw Europe,
but yet I see his face everywhere. There?s James Dean, Humphrey Bogart and
Marilyn Monroe, windows of the Champs Elysees, discos in the south of Spain,
restaurants in Sweden, t-shirts in Moscow. My life was confused and disoriented
for years by his passing. My sense of destiny destroyed, the great films he
would have directed, the great
performances he would have given, the great humanitarian he would have become,
and yet, he?s the greatest actor and star
I have ever known." -Dennis Hopper
"I'm obsessed. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'm hoping to keep
his memory going. It's a tribute."
-David Loehr (Dean Archivist, aka "Dean Of Deanobilia," The James Dean
Gallery, Fairmount, Indiana)
"When I worked with him on TV, I found him to be an intelligent young actor who
seemed to live only for his work. He was completely dedicated, and although a
shy person, he could hold a good conversation on many wide-ranging subjects."
-Ronald Reagan
"I liken it to a kind of star or comet that fell through the sky and everybody
still talks about it. They say, 'Ah, remember the night when you saw that
shooting star?'" -Julie Harris
"He seemed to capture that moment of youth, that moment where we're all
desperately seeking to find ourselves." -Dennis Hopper
"[James Dean] was spectacularly talented, handsome in a fragile sort of way and
absolutely outrageous. He was an original. Impish, compelling, magnetic,
utterly winning one moment, obnoxious the next. Definitely gifted." - Edna
Ferber, author of best-selling novel "Giant" from her autobiography "A Kind of
Magic."
"Jim had a year away from Warner Brothers. We had planned to use that time to
get our company started. We would have done both feature pictures and a
television series, which would have allowed Jim to break in as a director. I
think he would have been a great director." -Nicholas Ray (director Rebel
Without A Cause)
"It wasn't so much a matter of whom I was acting with, it was who I was
watching: Marlon Brando, Maureen Stapleton, Geraldine Page, Jimmy Dean -
a pretty hotshot group." -Paul Newman on his apprenticeship at the Actors
Studio
"The only time I ever worked with James Dean was in a 1953 off-Broadway
production called The Scarecrow. He played the Scarecrows reflection in the
mirror. He was an unknown then but he was jolly good in every way. I knew then
that he was born to become an actor." -Patricia Neal
"Jimmy was not only an internal actor, but an expressionist, which came partly
from his studying dance. He would physicalize actions, such as the way he
lifted himself up on the windmill in Giant, or goose-stepped measuring off the
land, or his sleight-of- hand gesture as Jett Rink. He had the amazing capacity
to pick up and learn a new trick almost immediately, tossing a rope and making
a knot, a card trick from a magician, coin tricks, racing a car..." -Dennis
Hopper
"I have never seen an actor as dedicated, with the extreme concentration and
exceptional imagination as James Dean. He could take the written imaginary
circumstance and make it his own by improvising - lying on the ground in a
fetal position playing with a wound-up toy monkey beating its cymbals, giggling
while being searched in the police station because it tickled, standing up in a
drunken daze making the sound of sirens with his arms outstretched, hitting his
fists into the sergeants desk, jumping off a diving board into a swimming pool
with no water, or doing the voice of Mr. Magoo throughout the movie, which was
the voice of Jim Backus, his father in Rebel - things that were not written on
the page, things that were invented by the actor." -Dennis Hopper
John Harkness
and lazy. There's no career boost quite like dying young
John Harkness
Nimrod``
>>ubject: Re: James Dean: Greatest Actor Of All Time
>>From: Nimrod`` nim...@go-c.com
>>Date: 7/18/01 11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <jFJWO9jOXz5m1A...@4ax.com>
>>
>>On 18 Jul 2001 23:12:01 GMT, darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
>>
>>>>Subject: Re: James Dean: Greatest Actor Of All Time
>>>>From: tricks...@yahoo.com (trickster)
>>>>Date: 7/18/01 5:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>>>Message-id: <f1ff6f4a.01071...@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>I've seen some ads around town to the effect that TNT will be making a
>>>>movie on James Dean. I wonder who will play him?
>>>
>>>While I've already touched on the film in a prior response, James Franco
>>>(t.v.'s Freaks & Geeks) nabbed the role. The film will be premiering on TNT,
>>>this coming AUGUST 5th. FYI: Critics are already raving about Franco's
>>>spectacular performance. As word has it, a gala crowd came to an exclusive
>>>screening and sat in riveted silence with explosive applause at the end.
>
>>Do you pick up the checks at the TNT offices in Atlanta....or do they
>>do a direct deposit into your account under a fictitious name?
>>N``>
>
>Heh! Steve, why such venom for DEAN?eh
>Are you one of the 99% of struggling actors who has yet to make it? LOL!
>Steve, DEAN was pure gold on screen! Flawless performances that cemented his
>genius.
Well, since you're not savvy enough to read attributions on a post and
realize that I'm not Steve, even though you keep calling me Steve
again and again, then I guess I shouldn't really be surprised by any
other thing you might fall for. I have no venom towards Dean....I
just happen to know when the Emperor is wearing no clothes.
> Here are a few quotable quotes from his fellow brethren:
>
>A few weeks before the Beatles recorded its first hit record, "LOVE ME DO," in
>1962, fifth member Stewart Sutcliffe died at the age of 21. Years later, John
>Lennon is quoted as saying: "[Stewart Sutcliffe] was really our leader, and he
>was really into the James Dean thing.
Which again proves how foolish you're being...since NOBODY would ever
have really considered Stu Sutcliffe the leader of The Beatles. John
was being kind and there was nothing remotely Dean-like about the
Beatles when they actually achieved success. Wise up and learn the
difference between rhetoric and reality.
John started the group which was originally known as The Quarrymen and
was its leader, Stu was the very last of the original
pre-recording-contract Beatles to join until Ringo was brought in when
they signed with Capitol and all the time Stu was with the group the
rest of the guys wanted Stu out because he couldn't really play his
instrument; he played bass facing away from the audience because he
had to fake it...it's common knowledge to any who know anything about
Beatle history. Stu was only tolerated as long as he was because he
was John's friend and John wanted him in. Not that this really
matters...but it shows how out of touch with reality you are....
>
>"All of us were touched by Jimmy, and he was touched by greatness."
>-Natalie Wood
Yeah...Standard Issue Quote 1-A: the same kind of babble people in
show business say about each other and every entertainer or actor who
dies. I could find you scads of quotes like that about everyone from
Princess Di to Sammy Davis Jr. to Michael Landon to River Phoenix.
>
>"Jim Dean and Elvis were the spokesmen for an entire generation. When I was in
>acting school in New York, years ago, there was a saying that if Marlon Brando
>changed the way people acted, then James Dean changed the way people lived.
>He was the greatest actor who ever lived. He was simply a genius." - Martin
>Sheen
See above. More of the same...
>
>"Actually, the person I related to was James Dean. I grew up with the Dean
>thing. Rebel Without A Cause had a very powerful effect on me." -Al Pacino
Which only speaks to Dean's sociological impact, not his acting
skills. They are two very different things. Madonna has had a
profound sociological impact on the kids who grew up during her
heydey....but that doesn't mean she's a very good singer, dancer or
songwriter. She's not. Wise up. Image and performance should not be
mistaken for one another.
For the record, Pacino is an infinitely better actor than Dean ever
was....showing more depth and range in THE GODFATHER alone than Dean
displayed in his whole brief career.
>
>"He was very afraid of being hurt. He was afraid of opening up in case it was
>turned around and used against him."
>- Elizabeth Taylor
>
Sigh. Which has nothing at all to do with whether he was a great
actor or not....just a personal comment, neither good or bad, about
his private character, such as it was.
>"[Dean's] death caused a loss in the movie world that our industry could ill
>afford. Had he lived long enough, I feel he would have made some incredible
>films. He had sensitivity and a capacity to express emotion." -Gary Cooper
See Standard Issue Quote 1-A above....
>
>"I didn't know what to do. How do you tell an eight-year-old boy his mother's
>going to die? I tried. In my own stumbling way I tried to prepare Jim for it.
>Nowadays, he lives in a world we don't understand too well, the actors world.
>We don?t see too much of him. But he?s a good boy, my Jim. A good boy, and I"m
>very proud of him. Not easy to understand, no sir. He's
>not easy to understand. But he's all man, and he'll make his mark. Mind you, my
>boy will make his mark." -Winton Dean (cousin) in Modern Screen, August
>1955
>
Gag.....
You've really got a bad case of it. Hopefully heavy drugs and bed
rest will work their wonders in time.
(How old are you anyway?)
>"He could look in a delicatessen window and suddenly start waving at a bowl
>of prunes, like they were alive. He was childish in a charming way."
> -Christine White
Yada-yada-yada....still more inconsequential drivel unrelated to his
lack of acting skills....
>
><snipped much repetitive celeb glad-handing>
>
>"I'm obsessed. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I'm hoping to keep
>his memory going. It's a tribute."
> -David Loehr (Dean Archivist, aka "Dean Of Deanobilia," The James Dean
>Gallery, Fairmount, Indiana)
Holy-f**king-Christ. Are you for real? Printing this crap as some
sort of validation of anything?'
>
>"When I worked with him on TV, I found him to be an intelligent young actor who
>seemed to live only for his work. He was completely dedicated, and although a
>shy person, he could hold a good conversation on many wide-ranging subjects."
>-Ronald Reagan
Wow...a good conversationalist with The Gipper. Now that shows real
promise.
>
><snipped more celebrity name-dropping and self-aggrandizing puff puff
>writ here for us by somebody who has volumes to learn about show business>
>"It wasn't so much a matter of whom I was acting with, it was who I was
>watching: Marlon Brando, Maureen Stapleton, Geraldine Page, Jimmy Dean -
>a pretty hotshot group." -Paul Newman on his apprenticeship at the Actors
>Studio
>
Sheesh....you've definitely corned the market on utterly pointless
quotes here...
>
>"Jimmy was not only an internal actor, but an expressionist, which came partly
>from his studying dance. He would physicalize actions, such as the way he
>lifted himself up on the windmill in Giant, or goose-stepped measuring off the
>land, or his sleight-of- hand gesture as Jett Rink. He had the amazing capacity
>to pick up and learn a new trick almost immediately, tossing a rope and making
>a knot, a card trick from a magician, coin tricks, racing a car..." -Dennis
>Hopper
>
>"I have never seen an actor as dedicated, with the extreme concentration and
>exceptional imagination as James Dean. He could take the written imaginary
>circumstance and make it his own by improvising - lying on the ground in a
>fetal position playing with a wound-up toy monkey beating its cymbals, giggling
>while being searched in the police station because it tickled, standing up in a
>drunken daze making the sound of sirens with his arms outstretched, hitting his
>fists into the sergeants desk, jumping off a diving board into a swimming pool
>with no water, or doing the voice of Mr. Magoo throughout the movie, which was
>the voice of Jim Backus, his father in Rebel - things that were not written on
>the page, things that were invented by the actor." -Dennis Hopper
>
>
Dennis Hopper, Dennis Hopper, and more Dennis Hopper. Yes, it was
never any big secret that Dennis Hopper spent the next two decades
after GIANT wishing he was James Dean and doing his version of aping
Dean in both acting and life.....leading to to his finely-honed,
keenly-felt performance in EASY RIDER, in which we grow dizzy counting
the number of times he says "man".
Truth be known, Dennis didn't get any good until he shucked off his
Dean rags and moved on...
N``
.
Nimrod``
wrote:
>Of course, people said all that stuff about Brando, before he got fat
>and lazy. There's no career boost quite like dying young
>
>John Harkness
Dead right, John. I'm hard-pressed to remember all the A & E
Biographies that clutter each week's airwaves riddled with such quotes
about every known dead celeb from Rick Nelson to Tiny Tim.
What's intriguing about the posthumous bamboozle is to listen to the
way that "greatest", "most influential", "the original inspiration
for", "loner", and "sensitive" are employed again and again by the
surviving famous players and applied to whoever they happen to be
eulogizing at the moment, while emphasizing by implication the degree
to which they rubbed shoulders with the sainted dead.
N``
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/19/01 1:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <D2JWOzzhdL9ugx...@4ax.com>
Nimrod (apt alias! LOL!!eh), you claim to display no venom towards Dean, yet
you subjected everyone to a war and peace response!?eheh LOL! OY GEVALT,
Nimrod!heh FYI: I posted the quotes, so fellow DEANERS could get a kick out of
reading what fellow actors had to say about his legend! It wasn't for the
reasons that you believe! continued.....
>> Here are a few quotable quotes from his fellow brethren: >>A few weeks
before the Beatles recorded its first hit record, "LOVE ME DO,>in>>1962, fifth
member Stewart Sutcliffe died at the age of 21. Years later,
>John>>Lennon is quoted as saying: "[Stewart Sutcliffe] was really our leader,
and>he>was really into the James Dean thing. >
>Which again proves how foolish you're being...since NOBODY would ever
>have really considered Stu Sutcliffe the leader of The Beatles. John
>was being kind and there was nothing remotely Dean-like about the
>Beatles when they actually achieved success. Wise up and learn the
>difference between rhetoric and reality.
>John started the group which was originally known as The Quarrymen and
>was its leader, Stu was the very last of the original>pre-recording-contract
Beatles to join until Ringo was brought in when
>they signed with Capitol and all the time Stu was with the group the
>rest of the guys wanted Stu out because he couldn't really play his
>instrument; he played bass facing away from the audience because he
>had to fake it...it's common knowledge to any who know anything about
>Beatle history. Stu was only tolerated as long as he was because he
>was John's friend and John wanted him in. Not that this really
>matters...but it shows how out of touch with reality you are....
Nimrod (I never get tired of saying that!eh),
I do not need to ne lectured on the history of the FAB 4. You are speaking to a
rock historian and gitbox man!eh Boy, you'll find a response for anything and
everything that praises Dean, eh?ehh
>>>"All of us were touched by Jimmy, and he was touched by greatness."
>>-Natalie Wood>
>Yeah...Standard Issue Quote 1-A: the same kind of babble people in
>show business say about each other and every entertainer or actor who
>dies. I could find you scads of quotes like that about everyone from
>Princess Di to Sammy Davis Jr. to Michael Landon to River Phoenix. >
Nimrod, remind me again, how you claim not to be envious of Dean's icon
status!?eh
>>"Jim Dean and Elvis were the spokesmen for an entire generation. When I was
>in>acting school in New York, years ago, there was a saying that if Marlon
>Brando >>changed the way people acted, then James Dean changed the way people
lived. >>He was the greatest actor who ever lived. He was simply a genius." -
Martin
>>Sheen>
>See above. More of the same...>
Nimrod, I post for my own enjoyment, not for you!eh Once again, there is no
grand conspiracy here! LOL! Take a prozac and everything shall be Kosher!heeh
>>"Actually, the person I related to was James Dean. I grew up with the Dean
>>thing. Rebel Without A Cause had a very powerful effect on me." -Al Pacino >
>Which only speaks to Dean's sociological impact, not his acting>skills. They
are two very different things. Madonna has had a
>profound sociological impact on the kids who grew up during her >heydey....but
that doesn't mean she's a very good singer, dancer or >songwriter. She's not.
Wise up. Image and performance should not be
>mistaken for one another.>>For the record, Pacino is an infinitely better
actor than Dean ever >was....showing more depth and range in THE GODFATHER
alone than Dean >displayed in his whole brief career. >>
Once again, to each his or her own. However, I am sure if BIG AL read your
above response, he wouldn't hesitate to disagree with you!eheeee
>>"He was very afraid of being hurt. He was afraid of opening up in case it
>was>>turned around and used against him." >>- Elizabeth Taylor>
>Sigh. Which has nothing at all to do with whether he was a great>actor or
not....just a personal comment, neither good or bad, about >his private
character, such as it was. >
Just as your ongoing responses have very little to do with the genius of
Dean!eheeee
>>"[Dean's] death caused a loss in the movie world that our industry could ill
>>afford. Had he lived long enough, I feel he would have made some incredible
>>films. He had sensitivity and a capacity to express emotion." -Gary Cooper>
>See Standard Issue Quote 1-A above....>
See my Standard issue response on users who are unable to come to terms with
Dean's enigma!eh
>>"I didn't know what to do. How do you tell an eight-year-old boy his
>mother's>>going to die? I tried. In my own stumbling way I tried to prepare
Jim for >it.>>Nowadays, he lives in a world we don't understand too well, the
actors
>world. >>We don?t see too much of him. But he?s a good boy, my Jim. A good
boy, and >I"m>>very proud of him. Not easy to understand, no sir. He's>>not
easy to understand. But he's all man, and he'll make his mark. Mind you,>my
>>boy will make his mark." -Winton Dean (cousin) in Modern Screen,
August>>1955>>
>Gag.....
>You've really got a bad case of it. Hopefully heavy drugs and bed
>rest will work their wonders in time.
>(How old are you anyway?)
A hell of a lot older than you, if you insist on playing the "age game," when a
response doesn't tickle your fancy!eheheh
Nimrod, are you always this much of a YENTA!?eheh
>>"He could look in a delicatessen window and suddenly start waving at a bowl
>>of prunes, like they were alive. He was childish in a charming way."
>> -Christine White >
>Yada-yada-yada....still more inconsequential drivel unrelated to his
>lack of acting skills....>
Once again, I posted the quotes in passing!eheh It wasn't meant to influence
anyone's perception of Dean. But alas, you
thought otherwise!ehe
>>><snipped much repetitive celeb glad-handing>>>>"I'm obsessed. I don't think
there's anything wrong with it. I'm hoping to >keep>>his memory going. It's a
tribute." >> -David Loehr (Dean Archivist, aka "Dean Of Deanobilia," The James
Dean >>Gallery, Fairmount, Indiana) >
>Holy-f**king-Christ. Are you for real? Printing this crap as some
>sort of validation of anything?'>
As real as the possibility of Franco's emmy nom for his role as Dean in "An
Invented Life." eheheheheeeeee Did I mention that it premieres on TNT, August
5th!?!ehehehehe
>>"When I worked with him on TV, I found him to be an intelligent young actor
>who>>seemed to live only for his work. He was completely dedicated, and
although>a >>shy person, he could hold a good conversation on many wide-ranging
>subjects.">>-Ronald Reagan
>Wow...a good conversationalist with The Gipper. Now that shows real>promise.
Come now! He was a far better actor than a politician!eh
>><snipped more celebrity name-dropping and self-aggrandizing puff puff >>writ
here for us by somebody who has volumes to learn about show business>
Nimrod, accept Dean's genius and move on!eh
>>"It wasn't so much a matter of whom I was acting with, it was who I was
>>watching: Marlon Brando, Maureen Stapleton, Geraldine Page, Jimmy Dean -
>>a pretty hotshot group." -Paul Newman on his apprenticeship at the Actors
>>Studio>>
>Sheesh....you've definitely corned the market on utterly pointless
>quotes here...>
Nimrod, I have but one word for you: PROZAC!heheeh
And why shouldn't HOPPER be in awe of his teacher!?eheh Coincidence that the
new breed of rebellious actors are still being influenced by Dean's genius!?heh
LEO DICAPRIO being one such young actor!! Dean was a major influence in his
decision to pursue acting as a career. What sane actor wouldn't want a piece of
Dean's genius to rub off on him?eheh
Nimrod``
Look in the dictionary or the Old Testament and get yourself a
linguistic education about the true meaning of my name before you make
anymore of a Hebrew fool of yourself than you already have...
>you claim to display no venom towards Dean, yet
>you subjected everyone to a war and peace response!?eheh LOL! OY GEVALT,
>Nimrod!heh FYI: I posted the quotes, so fellow DEANERS could get a kick out of
>reading what fellow actors had to say about his legend! It wasn't for the
>reasons that you believe! continued.....
No...you posted them because you've got a major Dean fetish like the
world has never seen.....
>
>>> Here are a few quotable quotes from his fellow brethren: >>A few weeks
>before the Beatles recorded its first hit record, "LOVE ME DO,>in>>1962, fifth
>member Stewart Sutcliffe died at the age of 21. Years later,
>>John>>Lennon is quoted as saying: "[Stewart Sutcliffe] was really our leader,
>and>he>was really into the James Dean thing. >
>
>>Which again proves how foolish you're being...since NOBODY would ever
>>have really considered Stu Sutcliffe the leader of The Beatles. John
>>was being kind and there was nothing remotely Dean-like about the
>>Beatles when they actually achieved success. Wise up and learn the
>>difference between rhetoric and reality.
>>John started the group which was originally known as The Quarrymen and
>>was its leader, Stu was the very last of the original>pre-recording-contract
>Beatles to join until Ringo was brought in when
>>they signed with Capitol and all the time Stu was with the group the
>>rest of the guys wanted Stu out because he couldn't really play his
>>instrument; he played bass facing away from the audience because he
>>had to fake it...it's common knowledge to any who know anything about
>>Beatle history. Stu was only tolerated as long as he was because he
>>was John's friend and John wanted him in. Not that this really
>>matters...but it shows how out of touch with reality you are....
>
>Nimrod (I never get tired of saying that!eh),
Never get tired of reiterating your Hebraic ignorance, eh?
>I do not need to ne lectured on the history of the FAB 4. You are speaking to a
>rock historian and gitbox man!eh Boy, you'll find a response for anything and
>everything that praises Dean, eh?ehh
Well, all your gibberish aside, you sure as hell need heap-big
education in rock history, spelling, punctuation, and ehehhheh? eh? eh
eh eh?
Otherwise you wouldn't be gulled into believing every little thing sly
John peddled about the Fab 4, ehee....
>>>>"All of us were touched by Jimmy, and he was touched by greatness."
>>>-Natalie Wood>
>
>>Yeah...Standard Issue Quote 1-A: the same kind of babble people in
>>show business say about each other and every entertainer or actor who
>>dies. I could find you scads of quotes like that about everyone from
>>Princess Di to Sammy Davis Jr. to Michael Landon to River Phoenix. >
>
>Nimrod, remind me again, how you claim not to be envious of Dean's icon
>status!?eh
>
I don't envy him at all....it's Princess Di who I long to be....
>>>"Jim Dean and Elvis were the spokesmen for an entire generation. When I was
>>in>acting school in New York, years ago, there was a saying that if Marlon
>>Brando >>changed the way people acted, then James Dean changed the way people
>lived. >>He was the greatest actor who ever lived. He was simply a genius." -
>Martin
>>>Sheen>
>
>>See above. More of the same...>
>
>Nimrod, I post for my own enjoyment, not for you!eh Once again, there is no
>grand conspiracy here! LOL! Take a prozac and everything shall be Kosher!heeh
Everything will be Kosher, putz, when you learn the meaning of my name
from the original Hebrew. And remember.....I just post for my own
enjoyment.....eh, eheheh...eheee...
>
>>>"Actually, the person I related to was James Dean. I grew up with the Dean
>>>thing. Rebel Without A Cause had a very powerful effect on me." -Al Pacino >
>
>>Which only speaks to Dean's sociological impact, not his acting>skills. They
>are two very different things. Madonna has had a
>>profound sociological impact on the kids who grew up during her >heydey....but
>that doesn't mean she's a very good singer, dancer or >songwriter. She's not.
>Wise up. Image and performance should not be
>>mistaken for one another.>>For the record, Pacino is an infinitely better
>actor than Dean ever >was....showing more depth and range in THE GODFATHER
>alone than Dean >displayed in his whole brief career. >>
>
>Once again, to each his or her own. However, I am sure if BIG AL read your
>above response, he wouldn't hesitate to disagree with you!eheeee
You're sure, eh? You and Big Al are psychic twins, eh?
Tell us honestly....do you often entertain oleo faygele dreams about
you, Jimmy The Human Ashtray, and Big Al with rubber sheets and
wildlife that goes quack-quack, oink-oink, amidst a midnight menagerie
of windup toy monkeys beating your cymbals to a climax? (You alter
tukhis lekker you)
Just posting for my own enjoyment, dontcha know...ehee...
>
>>>"He was very afraid of being hurt. He was afraid of opening up in case it
>>was>>turned around and used against him." >>- Elizabeth Taylor>
>
>>Sigh. Which has nothing at all to do with whether he was a great>actor or
>not....just a personal comment, neither good or bad, about >his private
>character, such as it was. >
>
>Just as your ongoing responses have very little to do with the genius of
>Dean!eheeee
>
>>>"[Dean's] death caused a loss in the movie world that our industry could ill
>>>afford. Had he lived long enough, I feel he would have made some incredible
>>>films. He had sensitivity and a capacity to express emotion." -Gary Cooper>
>
>>See Standard Issue Quote 1-A above....>
>
>See my Standard issue response on users who are unable to come to terms with
>Dean's enigma!eh
There's an enigma to come to terms with? I thought it was Dean's heat
rash....
>
>>>"I didn't know what to do. How do you tell an eight-year-old boy his
>>mother's>>going to die? I tried. In my own stumbling way I tried to prepare
>Jim for >it.>>Nowadays, he lives in a world we don't understand too well, the
>actors
>>world. >>We don?t see too much of him. But he?s a good boy, my Jim. A good
>boy, and >I"m>>very proud of him. Not easy to understand, no sir. He's>>not
>easy to understand. But he's all man, and he'll make his mark. Mind you,>my
>>>boy will make his mark." -Winton Dean (cousin) in Modern Screen,
>August>>1955>>
>
>>Gag.....
>>You've really got a bad case of it. Hopefully heavy drugs and bed
>>rest will work their wonders in time.
>>(How old are you anyway?)
>
>A hell of a lot older than you, if you insist on playing the "age game," when a
>response doesn't tickle your fancy!eheheh
>Nimrod, are you always this much of a YENTA!?eheh
>
>>>"He could look in a delicatessen window and suddenly start waving at a bowl
>>>of prunes, like they were alive. He was childish in a charming way."
>>> -Christine White >
>
>>Yada-yada-yada....still more inconsequential drivel unrelated to his
>>lack of acting skills....>
>
>Once again, I posted the quotes in passing!eheh
In PASSING??? You posted nine frigging yards of quotes---over 120
lines of quotes which obviously had to be rounded up from a multitude
of sources---in PASSING? Yumpin Yayzus, you sure do pass in slow
obsession.
>It wasn't meant to influence
>anyone's perception of Dean.
Ah. Then there was no point in posting them at all since there is no
point in preaching to the choir who are already converted, you
born-again shelmiel. But you knew that. Now stop with your pitiful
lies....
>But alas, you
>thought otherwise!ehe
>
>>>><snipped much repetitive celeb glad-handing>>>>"I'm obsessed. I don't think
>there's anything wrong with it. I'm hoping to >keep>>his memory going. It's a
>tribute." >> -David Loehr (Dean Archivist, aka "Dean Of Deanobilia," The James
>Dean >>Gallery, Fairmount, Indiana) >
>
>>Holy-f**king-Christ. Are you for real? Printing this crap as some
>>sort of validation of anything?'>
>
>As real as the possibility of Franco's emmy nom for his role as Dean in "An
>Invented Life." eheheheheeeeee Did I mention that it premieres on TNT, August
>5th!?!ehehehehe
Hmmm....I hope you don't blow all of your bonus TNT tokens at the same
video arcade.
>
>>>"When I worked with him on TV, I found him to be an intelligent young actor
>>who>>seemed to live only for his work. He was completely dedicated, and
>although>a >>shy person, he could hold a good conversation on many wide-ranging
>>subjects.">>-Ronald Reagan
>
>>Wow...a good conversationalist with The Gipper. Now that shows real>promise.
>
>Come now! He was a far better actor than a politician!eh
Now it all makes sense. If you think RR was a better actor than
politician....or ever much of an actor at all...well, that explains
all we need to know about your evaluation of The Human Ashtray's
thespic skills....
>
>>><snipped more celebrity name-dropping and self-aggrandizing puff puff >>writ
>here for us by somebody who has volumes to learn about show business>
>
>Nimrod, accept Dean's genius and move on!eh
Darrin, accept my genius and move up! ehee
>
>>>"It wasn't so much a matter of whom I was acting with, it was who I was
>>>watching: Marlon Brando, Maureen Stapleton, Geraldine Page, Jimmy Dean -
>>>a pretty hotshot group." -Paul Newman on his apprenticeship at the Actors
>>>Studio>>
>
>>Sheesh....you've definitely corned the market on utterly pointless
>>quotes here...>
>
>Nimrod, I have but one word for you: PROZAC!heheeh
Actually, I'm quite calmly winding my toy monkey. Have been all
along. I'm just posting for my own enjoyment...remember? eheheee
You know what...you're absolutely right. You've rocked my world and
now I see the light. Leonardo Di Caprio and James Dean are most
assuredly on the same par with each other acting-wise. As goes Leo,
so goes Jimmy...and vice-a the versa......Di Caprio = Dean = Di Caprio
= Dean. It's all so clear to me now.
I'm so motherhumpin glad that Jimmy begat Leo for us. Now I wonder
what wunderkind Leo will up and begat for us in kind. Only the divine
dirty mitt of the cosmos can tell....
(Now give my pupick a lekkin afore you go. Nu?)
N``
Stephen Cooke
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Nimrod`` wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2001 04:14:12 GMT, darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
> >"Actually, the person I related to was James Dean. I grew up with the Dean
> >thing. Rebel Without A Cause had a very powerful effect on me." -Al Pacino
>
> Which only speaks to Dean's sociological impact, not his acting
> skills. They are two very different things. Madonna has had a
> profound sociological impact on the kids who grew up during her
> heydey....but that doesn't mean she's a very good singer, dancer or
> songwriter. She's not. Wise up. Image and performance should not be
> mistaken for one another.
>
> For the record, Pacino is an infinitely better actor than Dean ever
> was....showing more depth and range in THE GODFATHER alone than Dean
> displayed in his whole brief career.
And also showed a similar inclination for going overboard with a role, as
in Scent of a Woman or Heat...(but I agree, when he's on the mark, as in
Glengarry Glen Ross or Donnie Brasco, he's incredible).
Stephen
Stephen Cooke
On 19 Jul 2001, DarrinT68 wrote:
Nimrod wrote:
> >Holy-f**king-Christ. Are you for real? Printing this crap as some
> >sort of validation of anything?'>
>
> As real as the possibility of Franco's emmy nom for his role as Dean in "An
> Invented Life." eheheheheeeeee Did I mention that it premieres on TNT, August
> 5th!?!ehehehehe
Forget it Nimrod, no point in wasting your breath on an imbecile.
Stephen
And that typed-out giggle...I wondered what happened to that guy.
Helen & Bob
Nimrod`` wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2001 21:35:49 GMT, darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
>
>
snip snip
> No, I don't think Darrin is that bright. One of his very first posts (that I
> ever read) to a newsgroup was, almost word for word, the same ridiculous post
> about Dean, and this was long before any film about Dean was in the works. I
> think its just another of his ways of attracting attention, getting people to
> notice his existance. He would probably stop it if he ever recieved any
> acknowledgement of existance IRL.
Bob
Helen & Bob
Nimrod`` wrote:
>
> For the record, Pacino is an infinitely better actor than Dean ever
> was....showing more depth and range in THE GODFATHER alone than Dean
> displayed in his whole brief career.
I think Pacino has more time on screen in the Godfather Trilogy than Dean did in his
entire career.
Bob
>
>
> >
Brian Dickson
trickster wrote:
> I've seen some ads around town to the effect that TNT will be making a
> movie on James Dean. I wonder who will play him?
French Stewart!
-B.
Currant33
Nimrod``
Pacino's "philosophy of life" speech to Jonathan Pryce in the booth at
the bar in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS is some of the best acting you'll ever
see...and one of his finest moments.
Powerful, controlled, mecurial....magnificent. A fully-shaped
performance.
N``
Nimrod``
Most definitely, Bob. By the way, I'm looking into some footage on
JS.
N``
James Allen
I've seen several other Romas on stage, some of which were great, but Pacino
blew me away. That's truly a mark of a great performance to me; when an actor
can take a role that I am very familiar with, and make it something completely
new and fresh. (I can't say that about some of the other actors in GGR, Jack
Lemmon especially, an actor that in my mind doesn't deserve some of his post
death accolades as one of the greatest American actors.)
Too bad that same year Pacino won an Oscar for his hambone performance in
"Scent of a Woman." (Well, he was nominated for GGR too, at least.)
Stephen Cooke
And it came along at a time when I had almost counted him out (anyone
remember Revolution? Author Author?).
I also liked his work in Carlito's Way, even if other elements in the film
didn't quite come up to par. I'd like to see him work with DePalma again,
provided DePalma can come up with a story worth telling.
Stephen
Steve Oldham
<snip>
>Now, tell me straight-faced that Dean doesn't look extremely
>self-aware his performance in those scenes...aware that he's going for
>big phony-crying effects. Tell me that his spilling the cash while
>holding his hands that way and trying to hug Raymond Massey is not a
>totally thought out gimmick. Tell me that you ever really believe for
>one moment that he's truly weeping in those scenes. He's not even
>vaguely close to a real teardrop amidst all his huffing and puffing.
>It's a puny little lie, like he was, in big sheep's clothing.
It is obvious with Dean that he's 'acting'. He was raw, no question.
To my eye, even with the shtick, he still tapped into a certain
emotional honesty. I contend that he wasn't another Shatner-type ham.
While I may not, in all cases, believe the mechanics of his
performances I don't see them as shallow manipulations but rather a
talented young actor who hadn't yet learned how to tame his gift.
Btw, there are times when Brando (just as an example) is obviously
'acting' and 'calculating' but is just damned fun to watch anyway
because there's something amazing going on with him and you just want
to see where he's going. No, Dean never proved himself to be in
Brando's league. He didn't have the opportunity. But I say to you with
a straight face that he was POTENTIALLY in the same league. Of course
that and a quarter will get you.............
I believe you when you say that you see truth in Bob Duvall's
performances. You'll just have to return the favor on this one.
Steve
James L. Neibaur
am wrong. Someone considers James Dean the greatest actor of all time.
Even basing our assessment on his three big films it would be difficult to give
him such a lofty status based on a tiny body of work. He fit the role he
played, and had the sort of sullen, withdrawn image that attracted post-war
American youth who felt alienated by their Depression-era parents' interest in
the nation's new found wealth. I enjoyed his work very much. But to call him
the greatest actor of all time is purely hyperbole.
Everybody knows the greatest actor of all time was Sonny Tufts.
JN
Please visit the most poorly designed web pages online:
my Favorite Movies web page:
http://hometown.aol.com/jimneibr/myhomepage/movies.html
and my Favorite Performers web page:
http://hometown.aol.com/jimneibr/myhomepage/rant.html
Wull
No wonder your web site is so terrible!
Wull-(who hopes it is you who keeps saying that about your site) :-)
Stephen Cooke
On 19 Jul 2001, James L. Neibaur wrote:
> Everybody knows the greatest actor of all time was Sonny Tufts.
<Bullwinkle> Sonny Tufts! </Bullwinkle>
Stephen
o/~"Randolph Scott!"o/~
James L. Neibaur
<Bullwinkle> Sonny Tufts! </Bullwinkle>
--------
There is a joke there that I am not getting. I hate to admit that, but help me
out.
paul packer
I thought Pacino's whole performance in Scent of a Woman was a
W.C.Fields impersonation. Look at it again and think of Fields. I
still don't know what Pacino thought he was doing.
Rei Shinozuka
Stephen Cooke <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>
>acting skills. Everytime I watch Rebel W/O A Cause, I cringe at scenes
>where he screams "You're tearing me apart!" with such exaggerated gusto.
>
>Stephen
>
how about "i got the bullets!". that was good too.
a lot of things about RWOAC look dated and overwrought.
that doesn't detract from the film because i think everyone
involved did exactly what he intended to do--so it's a matter
of taste and judgement rather than competence.
>On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Nimrod`` wrote:
>
>But he paved the way for William Shatner!
i like bill shatner, too. his jerky, quirky, frenetic style
is pure gold. you must own _Enclyclopedia Shatnerica_ by Robert E
Schnakenberg to fully appreciate this genius!
-rei
Tom Cervo
"Somebody Up There Likes Me." He had a run of three brilliant pictures; the
fourth was not.
Tom Cervo
>convincingly....he's completely unconvincing as an older man, playing
>the aging Jett Rink, and never seems like anything but a young hipster
>with a bad drip of a mustache and make-up trowelled on. No child on
>the street would ever have actually thought him an older man....he
>would have been spotted right away as a kid in make-up by even the
>laziest eye.
Well, who is?
Playing old is hard as hell. Not many actors could do more than plaster on some
paint and slow themselves down, and afterwards all anyone talks about is the
make-up--it's like Planet of the Apes.
GIANT was a tricked-out soap opera that was as good or as bad at the people in
it. Dean and McCambridge were great--if they could have gone off and made their
own movie we'd have a classic. After she dies, Dean talks about "Madama" as
thought he means it.
James L. Neibaur
It's been pointed out that his next project after "Giant" would have been
"Somebody Up There Likes Me." He had a run of three brilliant pictures; the
fourth was not.
------
He was also slated for The Left Handed Gun, and A Stone for Danny Fisher. The
latter became the musical King Creole, which turned out to be the best Elvis
movie (oh irony!)
Stephen Cooke
On 20 Jul 2001, James L. Neibaur wrote:
> Stephen stated:
>
> <Bullwinkle> Sonny Tufts! </Bullwinkle>
> --------
>
> There is a joke there that I am not getting. I hate to admit that, but help me
> out.
Oh, it's just that they used to make repeated jokey references to Sonny
Tufts on the old Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. Even then, people appreciated
Tufts' true brilliance.
They used to do a similar thing on Roger Ramjet, inserting the names of
b-actors like George Zucco and the like for comic value. It probably seems
funnier now than it did then.
Stephen
Nimrod``
wrote:
>The
>latter became the musical King Creole, which turned out to be the best Elvis
>movie (oh irony!)
>
That's been the traditional rhetoric....but I think Elvis' best movie
is without a doubt JAILHOUSE ROCK. It's got style and energy and
entertains out the wazoo.....while KING CREOLE is actually rather
stolid, with Elvis giving a straightforward but rather dull
performance, ernest as it may be. The main thing KC has going for it
is a few good location shots in New Orleans plus a hit and miss
Dixieland/Blues score.
In JAILHOUSE ROCK he's in his element, the nasty but sweet proto-punk.
And it has all that Fifties Hollywood glitz and glamour riddled with
great early rockabilly tunes and the best performed movie musical
number he ever did, the title tune.
James L. Neibaur
That's been the traditional rhetoric....but I think Elvis' best movie
is without a doubt JAILHOUSE ROCK. It's got style and energy and
entertains out the wazoo.....while KING CREOLE is actually rather
stolid, with Elvis giving a straightforward but rather dull
performance, ernest as it may be. The main thing KC has going for it
is a few good location shots in New Orleans plus a hit and miss
Dixieland/Blues score.
------
I like Creole better, actually, but would agree that Jailhouse Rock is also
excellent.
While we are bothering to visit the subject---
I like Love Me Tender better than most seem to, I like Loving You, and don't
mind Flaming Star. The rest are bad movies despite the occasional good song
(e.g. Return to Sender in Girls Girls Girls, or One Broken Heart For Sale in It
Happened At The World's Fair). But I have a soft spot in my heart (and my
head) for Elvis movies. I guess it is sentiment for having grown up with them.
That is why I still like to watch wrestling when nobody is looking.
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/20/01 11:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010720113326...@ng-mp1.aol.com>
>
>Tom stated:
>
>It's been pointed out that his next project after "Giant" would have been
>"Somebody Up There Likes Me." He had a run of three brilliant pictures; the
>fourth was not.
>------
>
>He was also slated for The Left Handed Gun, and A Stone for Danny Fisher.
>The>latter became the musical King Creole, which turned out to be the best
Elvis>movie (oh irony!)
As you may know, ELVIS was also a DEANER!eheh Unfortunately, he pished
(Yiddish) away his acting ability (which he had in spades) on dopey musicals.
Nimrod``
wrote:
>Nim stated:
>
>That's been the traditional rhetoric....but I think Elvis' best movie
>is without a doubt JAILHOUSE ROCK. It's got style and energy and
>entertains out the wazoo.....while KING CREOLE is actually rather
>stolid, with Elvis giving a straightforward but rather dull
>performance, ernest as it may be. The main thing KC has going for it
>is a few good location shots in New Orleans plus a hit and miss
>Dixieland/Blues score.
>------
>
>I like Creole better, actually, but would agree that Jailhouse Rock is also
>excellent.
>
>While we are bothering to visit the subject---
>
>I like Love Me Tender better than most seem to, I like Loving You, and don't
>mind Flaming Star. The rest are bad movies despite the occasional good song
>(e.g. Return to Sender in Girls Girls Girls, or One Broken Heart For Sale in It
>Happened At The World's Fair). But I have a soft spot in my heart (and my
>head) for Elvis movies. I guess it is sentiment for having grown up with them.
> That is why I still like to watch wrestling when nobody is looking.
>
I would pretty much agree with your assessment here....including
FLAMING STAR. However, I would make a couple of other notes,
regarding WILD IN THE COUNTRY and FOLLOW THAT DREAM:
There's a bedroom scene played in silence between Elvis and Hope Lange
in WILD IN THE COUNTRY....it's set in a motor court with rain outside
and they almost make love, but don't. Perhaps you remember it; if you
haven't re-visited it in awhile, then please do. It's evocative,
touching, delicately played. I think it accounts for the single best
piece of acting ever delivered by Elvis and gives the truest glimpse
of what he could have been in movies if given the properties and the
opportunity. Also, there's the scene on the steps with Elvis and
Tuesday Weld which culminates in his singing "In My Way" to her and
they are simply luscious to watch together, seeming like physical and
psychic twins, a matched set of incredibly cute/beautiful white trash
kupie dolls. Tuesday is even sipping hooch from a package store
bottle which adds a further adult tinge to the moment, not usually
found in such Elvis-ballad scenes. One can't help but ponder what a
terrific Bonnie and Clyde they would have made...or any number of
other such incarnations as a couple. Alas, the rest of WITC is rather
turgid soaper material in the Peyton Place vein.
A further note...I think Elvis is actually quite funny and unaffected
in FOLLOW THAT DREAM, playing a sort of Jethro Bodine variation....yet
smarter through his innocence than he first appears. Of course, to
enjoy it you have to have a soft place in your heart for the
occasional corn, which I does.
Now pass the grits and gravy....and don't slop it on my fried peanut
butter'n'nanner samwich.....
Nimrod``
>>Subject: Re: James Dean: Greatest Actor Of All Time
>>From: jimn...@aol.combatant (James L. Neibaur)
>>Date: 7/20/01 11:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <20010720113326...@ng-mp1.aol.com>
>>
>>Tom stated:
>>
>>It's been pointed out that his next project after "Giant" would have been
>>"Somebody Up There Likes Me." He had a run of three brilliant pictures; the
>>fourth was not.
>>------
>>
>>He was also slated for The Left Handed Gun, and A Stone for Danny Fisher.
>>The>latter became the musical King Creole, which turned out to be the best
>Elvis>movie (oh irony!)
>
>As you may know, ELVIS was also a DEANER!
No...he was ELVIS, pure and simple. The fact that in his youth he
indentified with RWAC and James Dean is not all that unusual; most
kids did back then....just as millions of kids in 1971 identified with
BILLY JACK.
But ELVIS was a quasar who left us many, many more treasures in the
first two years of his career as a star than Dean ever did.
James L. Neibaur
However, I would make a couple of other notes,
regarding WILD IN THE COUNTRY and FOLLOW THAT DREAM:
----
I agree Follow That Dream was actually quite good, but Wild in the Country was
only good in parts rather than as a whole.
Had Presley done some studying with Strassberg like he wanted, and been allowed
roles the Colonel turned down, I think we would have a more respectful
assessment of his acting career. But I guess being the single most important
figure in the history of popular music is good enough.
Nimrod``
wrote:
>I agree Follow That Dream was actually quite good, but Wild in the Country was
>only good in parts rather than as a whole.
>
>Had Presley done some studying with Strassberg like he wanted, and been allowed
>roles the Colonel turned down, I think we would have a more respectful
>assessment of his acting career. But I guess being the single most important
>figure in the history of popular music is good enough.
>
Yes, I suppose it'll do in a pinch....
Helen & Bob
Nimrod`` wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:10:44 -0700, Helen & Bob
> <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Nimrod`` wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> For the record, Pacino is an infinitely better actor than Dean ever
> >> was....showing more depth and range in THE GODFATHER alone than Dean
> >> displayed in his whole brief career.
> >
> >I think Pacino has more time on screen in the Godfather Trilogy than Dean did in his
> >entire career.
> >Bob
>
> Most definitely, Bob. By the way, I'm looking into some footage on
> JS.
>
> N``
>
>
Thanks. It is appreciated.
Bob
DarrinT68
>Date: 7/21/01 2:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <jCFZO0euGmypEY...@4ax.com>
>
>On 21 Jul 2001 04:37:39 GMT, darr...@aol.com (DarrinT68) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: James Dean: Greatest Actor Of All Time
>>>From: jimn...@aol.combatant (James L. Neibaur)
>>>Date: 7/20/01 11:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <20010720113326...@ng-mp1.aol.com>
>>>
>>>Tom stated:
>>>
>>>It's been pointed out that his next project after "Giant" would have been
>>>"Somebody Up There Likes Me." He had a run of three brilliant pictures; the
>>>fourth was not.
>>>------
>>>
>>>He was also slated for The Left Handed Gun, and A Stone for Danny Fisher.
>>>The>latter became the musical King Creole, which turned out to be the best
>>Elvis>movie (oh irony!)>>
>>As you may know, ELVIS was also a DEANER!>
>No...he was ELVIS, pure and simple. The fact that in his youth he
>indentified with RWAC and James Dean is not all that unusual; most
>kids did back then....just as millions of kids in 1971 identified with
>BILLY JACK.>But ELVIS was a quasar who left us many, many more treasures in
the>first two years of his career as a star than Dean ever did. >N``
Nim, your analogies are from hunger!heh For you to compare DEAN to TOM
LAUGHLIN, shows me just how deep your envy runs. Secondly, ELVIS was not a
nameless face in the crowd, he was ELVIS! DOH! He was praising Dean as a
superstar!! e.g. During interviews, when asked about his aspriring career as an
actor, he would always cite DEAN as an inspiration. Elvis once said, "I could
only wish to have his talent.." Remember, there's only one ELVIS, one JIM DEAN,
and one MONROE. And all three legends continue to earn millions in memorabilia
and merchandising. P.S. 5 days until the premiere of "JAMES DEAN: AN INVENTED
LIFE" on TNT!heheheehheh
Darrin T
> On 20 Jul 2001 15:33:26 GMT, jimn...@aol.combatant (James L. Neibaur)
> wrote:
> >The
> >latter became the musical King Creole, which turned out to be the best Elvis
> >movie (oh irony!)
> >
> That's been the traditional rhetoric....but I think Elvis' best movie
> is without a doubt JAILHOUSE ROCK. It's got style and energy and
> entertains out the wazoo.....while KING CREOLE is actually rather
> stolid, with Elvis giving a straightforward but rather dull
> performance, ernest as it may be. The main thing KC has going for it
> is a few good location shots in New Orleans plus a hit and miss
> Dixieland/Blues score.
> In JAILHOUSE ROCK he's in his element, the nasty but sweet proto-punk.
> And it has all that Fifties Hollywood glitz and glamour riddled with
> great early rockabilly tunes and the best performed movie musical
> number he ever did, the title tune.
> N``