Steve Jobs has died
Bill Anderson
RAMC-F on my Apple ][e.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/us/obit-steve-jobs/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1
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Bill Anderson
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tomcervo
> Off topic? No way. He helped give me my first glimpse of RAMP-F and
> RAMC-F on my Apple ][e.
>
It's not seen as significant now, but in the future one of the key
films in movie history may be "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow"--
the movie whose 10 minute concept short was 'gined up by Kerry Conran
on a Mac.
nick
Tom
> Off topic? No way. He helped give me my first glimpse of RAMP-F and
> RAMC-F on my Apple ][e.
>
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> Bill Anderson
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> I am the Mighty Favog
R.I.P. good sir.
Tom
trotsky
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from the undoubtedly upcoming ones.
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Um, Steve Jobs + movies = Pixar..
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Keeno
> RAMC-F on my Apple ][e.
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> Bill Anderson
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> I am the Mighty Favog
Not OT. Pixar films changed the movie industry and kids' lives. He
made a new mythology in entertainment and tech. No small feat. He went
up against the giants and slew a couple. His Next applications and
operating system led to the birth of the www. He was Whole Earth and
Stewart Brand all the way....the best of the '60s, the part that came
out of Bucky Fuller, etc. I read he was half Syrian, which I forgot
or never knew. His genius was in knowing how to get to the heart of
things and to put the user first. I can still recall his face on the
cover of Time. I read the article over and over. It was a lot about
Lisa (the name of his out-of-wedlock daughter). He refused to
acknowledge any connection between Lisa and his daughter! He was
something like the Frank Lloyd Wright of this era. Mac is what I first
saw and used, the b&w all-in-one.
Wull
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which some think was a stolen concept.
It is apparent that he was one of the better geniuses but I am really set
back in my appreciation of his accomplishments by the daughter story. She
must surly be a basket case, unless maybe she has his genius mind too.
Wull
RichA
nothing more. Jobs big deal were iPods and phones.
trotsky
tomcervo
used what worked on Mac's. And I still can't name a file with a \ in
it, thanks to the DOS basis that Windows still encumbers us with.
nick
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I knew it. I knew Rich would come along and thread drift the passing
of Steve Jobs into a Microsoft v. Apple debate.
Stone me
"Wull" <wma...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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built upon earlier work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
Look carefully at the photo of the Xerox PARC workstation.
Pixar was a purchase in 1986, and was already known around the world for
it's
innovative work.
No doubt a discussion of work completed in Job's time and it's impact on
movies
Would be On Topic.
Stone me.
The Loan Arranger
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> my Apple ][e.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/us/obit-steve-jobs/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1
>
Tom
> "Bill Anderson" <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Off topic? No way. He helped give me my first glimpse of RAMP-F and RAMC-F on
> > my Apple ][e.
>
> Jobs was a visionary but I STILL can't afford to buy the stuff Apple sells...
iphone 3 - $49
iphone 4 - $99
Best Buy offers zero interest financing on all purchases of $350 or
more. An $1100 Macbook would result in a monthly payment of ~$61... an
ipad @ $700 would be ~$38 a month.
Tom
RichA
NOT MACs and certainly not "LISA."
The ONE thing I liked about Apple was that they used Motorola. When
they went to the odious Intel, I lost whatever respect I had for them.
RichA
what's $29/m, what's...ooops!
Howard Brazee
>> Jobs was a visionary but I STILL can't afford to buy the stuff Apple sells...
>
>
>Really?
>
>iphone 3 - $49
>
>iphone 4 - $99
>
>Best Buy offers zero interest financing on all purchases of $350 or
>more. An $1100 Macbook would result in a monthly payment of ~$61... an
>ipad @ $700 would be ~$38 a month.
iPod and don't buy a phone service.
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to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Tom
week, when Apple announced the iphone 4S, the price of the iphone 4
dropped to $99. If you add the monthly phone charges, I suppose you
can say the iphone is more expensive than $49 or $99.
I just checked Best Buy and the ipod touch ranges in price from $199
to $399.
Tom
Howard Brazee
>When Apple announced the iphone 4, the iphone 3 dropped to $49. This
>week, when Apple announced the iphone 4S, the price of the iphone 4
>dropped to $99. If you add the monthly phone charges, I suppose you
>can say the iphone is more expensive than $49 or $99.
very nice, but I count monthly payments as being more dear than the
up-front costs.
nick
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activate it and just use it as an iPod Touch, for $49? I'm thinking
it can't be that simple or everyone would be doing it.
Tom
interest free, while your money is earning dividends in the stock or
bond markets, why would you choose to not take advantage of that?
Tom
XiRÿZ
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Tom
biz... I'll ask her.
Tom
Mack A. Damia
<billand...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Off topic? No way. He helped give me my first glimpse of RAMP-F and
>RAMC-F on my Apple ][e.
>
Armstrong and Getty texter texts
"Shovel-ready Jobs."
Another is keeping his iPad at half charge today to honor Jobs.
Rich
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Rich
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charges. The scam packages offered always omit one or two important
things, or contain at least one constraint that inflates their advertised
price by 2x.
bastX...@sonic.net
> On Oct 5, 9:29 pm, tomcervo <paradisfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 5, 8:40 pm, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > RAMC-F on my Apple ][e.
>>
>>
>> It's not seen as significant now, but in the future one of the key
>> films in movie history may be "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow"--
>> the movie whose 10 minute concept short was 'gined up by Kerry Conran
>> on a Mac.
> Time to revisit this guilty pleasure:
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/
Bastette
trotsky
Rich
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The assumption is you'll burn $100/m in charges. If you don't, there may
be a minimum monthly charge they'll call a processing charge or
something.
Tom
Not to my knowledge and no one here said or implied as much.
Do you have shit on your eyes from having your head your ass?
Tom
Tom
Rich is too stupid to admit that much of the tech gizmos sold today
contain Apple technology and he's paying for it.
Tom
Tom
The average person? Really?
I have an HTC Evo and my wife has a Blackberry. Our monthly mobile
phone bill with data package via Sprint is $79.95/ month for both of
us.
Your 'research' is a bit off.
Tom
trotsky
He's not making sense (what new?): he whines about Intel, who made a
fortune supplying Windows machines with microprocessors, but now Apple
is "bad" because they're using Intel. How bad is Windows using the same
yardstick?
Sometimes it would be easier just to hit yourself in the head with a
hammer rather than makes sense of what he's trying to say.
Jim T.
wrote:
>Actually, DOS was developed long before there were Macs. It's true
>that Jobs used cutting edge techonology, but Gates was at the
>forefront of DOS and BASIC. And whatever we may personally think of
>Macs and PCs, the fact remains that Gates has had an easier time
>dominating the personal computer market. Jobs legacy is with personal
>gadgets. But even so, it's not like there were no mp3s before iPods
>or no smartphones before the iPhone.
Jobs never really invented the technologies most associated with
Apple. His genius was to take existing technologies that were
underachieving elsewhere, and with some elegant design and aggressive
marketing turn them into products people wanted. The first iPods
weren't much different than other MP3 players of the time, but they
had the coolest commercials.
And it was Xerox who had the first mouse and window based computer.
Even though it failed, Jobs saw the potential and the rest is history.
William
> And it was Xerox who had the first mouse and window based computer.
> Even though it failed, Jobs saw the potential and the rest is history.
about the geniuses at XeroxPARC, but the corporate suits. One thing
Jobs didn't steal was ethernet (developed at XPARC) much to his later
embarrassment. According to one story, Jobs did pay $5,000 for the GUI
and the mouse. True? We're talking about the Reality Distortion Field.
Truth is relative.
William
trotsky
Keeno
"created" already existed, which wasn't Edison's situation. But Jobs
did start the personal, desktop computer revolution.
mikeos
>
> It's wrong to equate Jobs with Edison because most of what Jobs
> "created" already existed, which wasn't Edison's situation.
Nor entirely true. In the case of the light bulb for example, Joseph
Swan, a British inventor, obtained the first patent for the light bulb
in Britain one year prior to Edison's patent date. Swan even publicly
unveiled his carbon filament light bulb in Newcastle, England a minimum
of 10 years before Edison announced that he had invented the first light
bulb. Edison's light bulb, in fact, was a carbon copy of Swan's light bulb.
Heynonny
> Pixar was a purchase in 1986, and was already known around the world
> for it's innovative work.
Strange. I can't find any trace of a company called Pixar before Jobs.
Let's see. There was small group of people (Disney rejects) working for
George Lucas who had done some special effects on on a couple of films.
People who were about to be let go because Lucas couldn't afford to pay
them any more and in fact needed some cash infusion; that would be Mr.
Jobs.
Let's see. Steve Jobs came in and put his own money up front to Lucas,
and into paying salaries and paying the bills while he figured out what
to do with these people, who he thought were very talented. After a
couple of false starts (TV commercials, medical imaging, imaging
hardware sales) he decided that these people were talented enough to
produce animated feature motion pictures! Not shorts, not TV spots, not
a few seconds worth of special effects buried in other studios' movies,
but the whole enchilado: a motion picture studio. Insane.
More Jobs' money down the Pixar drain (according to industry experts).
For the first time since he was 23 years old Jobs was not a
many-multi-millionaire any more.
What flollowed was their first motion picture, a massive hit called Toy
Story with the Disney distribution contract, the creation and IPO of
Pixar, the unbroken string of blockbuster movies, the hardball
renegotiation and extension of the Disney contract on Pixar's terms,
the ultimate purchase of Pixar by Disney (which was actually the
takeover by Pixar of the Disney animated film division), all this
hapened under the ownership and leadership of Steve Jobs, at a salary
of $1 per year as CEO. With Jobs winding up on Disney's Board of
Directors and the largest owner of Disney.
I am not a big fan of Steve Jobs. He was, for much of his life, not a
nice guy. He was driven beyond what most of us can understand and he
mistreated some people I know.
But the man was a giant (except that giant is too small a word for what
he accomplished).
I don't know what woodwork you people have crawled out of, but you're
all over the Internet with this anti-Jobs stuff. Is the body even cold
yet? Can't you give this thing a few days?
Stone me
"Heynonny" <nos...@noway.com> wrote in message
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> With Jobs winding up on Disney's Board of Directors and the largest owner
> of Disney.
>
> I am not a big fan of Steve Jobs. He was, for much of his life, not a nice
> guy. He was driven beyond what most of us can understand and he mistreated
> some people I know.
>
> But the man was a giant (except that giant is too small a word for what he
> accomplished).
>
> I don't know what woodwork you people have crawled out of, but you're all
> over the Internet with this anti-Jobs stuff. Is the body even cold yet?
> Can't you give this thing a few days?
>
>
Early history
Pixar was founded as the Graphics Group, one third of the Computer
Division of Lucasfilm that was launched in 1979 with the hiring of
Dr. Ed Catmull from the New York Institute of Technology (NYIT),
where he was in charge of the Computer Graphics Lab (CGL). At NYIT,
the researchers had pioneered many of the CG techniques and worked
on an experimental film called The Works. After moving to Lucasfilm, the
team worked on creating the precursor to RenderMan, called Motion Doctor,
which allowed traditional cel animators to use computer animation with
minimal training.
The team began working on film sequences produced by Lucasfilm or
worked collectively with Industrial Light & Magic on special effects.
After years of research, and key milestones in films such as the Genesis
Effect in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and the Stained Glass Knight
in Young Sherlock Holmes, the group, which numbered about 45
individuals back then, was purchased in 1986 by Steve Jobs shortly
after he left Apple Computer...
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I think I am correct.
> I don't know what woodwork you people have crawled out of, but you're all
> over the Internet with this anti-Jobs stuff.
My only interest is that I remember being well aware of the Pixar
group/team/whatever
before their iconic video of the desktop lamp was played on tv in 1986.
All aspects of personal computing were an obsession for BBC tv in those
days.
I don't have enough knowledge or feeling for him to be pro or anti.
Dismissing the work that was going on before and up to the moment he bought
Pixar is not going to support the reasons he was so interested in it.
Stone me.
M.L.
>> Pixar was a purchase in 1986, and was already known around the world
>> for it's innovative work.
>
>Strange. I can't find any trace of a company called Pixar before Jobs.
Pixar was definitely around before Jobs. I remember using its
outstanding 3D text creator app called Typestry. Supported Macs and
PCs in the early 1990's.
Heynonny
> Pixar was definitely around before Jobs ... in the early 1990's
Jobs took over a graphics sub-sub division of Lucasfilms, about 45
people, in the mid 1980's. Under Jobs, that small core of people
initially did lots of things, including marketing versions of Renderman
and other graphics software, and also hardware. Special effects, TV
commercials, shorts, other things as I described. It eventually
refocused and then grew into the Pixar Animation Studios that we know
today.
I don't know what's happening with this revision of history stuff. Is
Lucas trying to claim some credit for Pixar based on his pre-1985
involvement with Lassiter, Catmull, and some of the other Lucasfilm
employees? I don't think so; as far as I know he has always been
grateful to Jobs for giving these people employment. What happened
after that had nothing to do with Lucas and I don't think he's ever
tried to intrude himself into it.
Heynonny
> Gates was at the
> forefront of DOS and BASIC
BASIC and DOS considerably predate Gates. Gates' major $ invovement
with BASIC was under contract with Apple; he was hired by Steve Jobs to
adapt BASIC for the Apple II (Apple's original version had no floating
point capability). Gates' very first involvement with DOS was under
similar contract with IBM for their PC.
Gates' initial genius was to make money by re-labeling and selling
public domain or cheaply-available software to people who didn't know
any better (including both Jobs and IBM at that point). When IBM chose
(logically but as it turned out stupidly) to _license_ Gates' knockoff
version of DOS rather than buy it outright for a few thousand dollars,
Gates and Microsoft went mega$. Gates' strategic victory over IBM, by
luck or genius as you will, is one of the great technology stories of
the 20th century, in many ways overshadowing Jobs' achievements.
Gates' later outwitting of Jobs on the GUI was masterful, showing who
was the superior businessman and tactician; Gates made Jobs look like a
rube, which in many ways at that age he was.
RichA
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