10 greatest films of the 70s poll
blob is george galloway of past films
this ng on the best films of the 70s.
there are many others contracted to do surveys in other
places(churches, schools, stockyards, slaughterhouses, skid row, etc).
at the end of the year, all these surveys will be combined for the end
result.
rules:
list 25 best films of 70s. no limit per director. choose 'objective
best' over mere personal favorite. of course, a film can be both a
'objective list' and a personal favorite. in other words, godfather is
okay but no russ meyer movies please. yeah, yeah, you might wanna
prove you're hip, cool, funny, goofy, etc. okay, you've impressed us
blah blah blah. now, how about giving us a decent list, eh?
sequel may be combined with original only if by same director.
list top 7. each will be worth 4 pts.
list next 7. each will be worth 3 pts.
list next 7. each will be worth 2 pts.
list the last 4. each will be worth 1 pt.
my list:
siberiade
stalker
eraserhead
godfather I + II
barry lyndon
nashville
emigrants/new land
seven beauties
mccabe and mrs miller
mean streets
thx 1138
taxi driver
apocalypse now(redux)
chinatown
one flew over cuckoo's nest
judge and the assassin
last detail
lancelot du lac
two english girls
dersu uzala
harold and maude
patton
duck you sucker
dog day afternoon
man of marble
Just missed it: straw dogs, saturday night fever, deliverance, french
connection, badlands, days of heaven, clockwork orange, aguirre wrath
of god, swept away, love and anarchy, last bang in paris, passenger,
ali fear eats the soul, hired hand, exorcist, chabrol and rohmer films,
star wars, last picture show, two lane blacktop, american graffitti,
sleeper, love and death, wiseblood, jaws, scenes from marriage, being
there, papillon, get carter,
Worth consideration: wild child, conformist, getaway, pat garret,
killer elite, all the president's men, little big man, conversation,
take the money and run, bananas, passion of anna, face to face,
zatoichi meets yojimbo, story of adele h, kramer vs kramer, five easy
pieces, cries and whispers, serpent's egg, amarcord, that obscure
object of desire, mother and whore, camera buff, monty python holy
grail, nicholas and alexandra, manhattan, annie hall, real life, coming
home, sleuth,
Worth consideration perhaps: parallex view, sounder, enter the dragon,
zardoz, dirty harry, unmarried woman, 1900, incredible kung fu
mission(dubbed), cotton comes to harlem, grease, etc.
you may consult this site for possible choices:
steve
films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> list 25 best films of 70s. no limit per director. choose 'objective
> best' over mere personal favorite.
OK, what is "objective best" supposed to mean? Even if one applies a set of
criteria, the selection of that criteria is subjective. And if given a set
of criteria, the application of that criteria is also subjective.
steve
--
"Local firemen improvised."
Benny Hill
blob is george galloway of past films
it like this. suppose you watch a movie called 'big boob women go
bouncy on mars' and like it. but you know it a piece of shit
artistically.
yet, suppose you highly admire some art movie--great acting, script,
cinematography,etc--but you not exactly like.
well, if you wanna be objective, you gotta choose art film over guilty
pleasure.
i like better tomorrow. it lot fun. but i not think it great movie.
i think children of paradise great movie. but not wanna see again. just
not my cup of coffee.
Richard Schultz
: OK, what is "objective best" supposed to mean? Even if one applies a set of
: criteria, the selection of that criteria is subjective.
But subjectivity is objective!
: And if given a set of criteria, the application of that criteria is
: also subjective.
Some days, I wish that Grammar Cop were a paid position.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I've lost my harmonica, Albert."
Messiah
Seriously, Apocalypse Now. Unquestionably.
steve
films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> it like this. suppose you watch a movie called 'big boob women go
> bouncy on mars' and like it. but you know it a piece of shit
> artistically.
> yet, suppose you highly admire some art movie--great acting, script,
> cinematography,etc--but you not exactly like.
I understand your point, but I think, in a way, it's a bit of intellectual
dishonesty. The mechanics of a film are just one aspect of it's quality.
To use a musical analogy, Hendrix was sloppy as hell but he had a musical
vision and a ferocious energy. Many of the guitar heroes today (Joe
Satriani, for example) have amazing chops but litle orv no vision/energy. I
suppose I would be willing (but not anxious) to call Satriani a better
guitarist, but certainly not a better musician. Mahavisnu John McLaughlin,
on the other hand, had/has an incredible vision and energy as well as killer
chops. Id call him a superior guitarist and a superior musician.
So the technical qualities are not defining, though they are relevant.
And as I mentioned earlier, it is your subjective choice to value the
technical elements over the film experience itself. That makes your
"objective" simply subjective once removed.
steve
Schultz) blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> : And if given a set of criteria, the application of that criteria is
> : also subjective.
>
> Some days, I wish that Grammar Cop were a paid position.
Help me out. What are the mistakes in grammar here?
thanks,
John Harkness
>On 15-Nov-2005, smacked up and reeling, sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard
>Schultz) blindly formulated
>the following incoherence:
>
>> : And if given a set of criteria, the application of that criteria is
>> : also subjective.
>>
>> Some days, I wish that Grammar Cop were a paid position.
>
>Help me out. What are the mistakes in grammar here?
>
>thanks,
>steve
the application of THOSE criteria ARE also subjective. "Criteria" is
plural.
John Harkness
steve
On 15-Nov-2005, smacked up and reeling, John Harkness
<jhar...@sympatico.ca> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> the application of THOSE criteria ARE also subjective. "Criteria" is
> plural.
>
> John Harknes
Thanks, John.
Richard
Star Wars
Jaws
Apocalypse Now
Taxi Driver
the Exorcist
the Godfather part II
Deliverance
the French Connection
Dirty Harry
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Days of Heaven
the China Syndrome
All the President's Men
the Conversation
Alien
American Graffiti
the Sting
A Clockwork Orange
Dog Day Afternoon
Serpico
Young Frankenstein
Annie Hall
Carrie
the Rocky Horror Picture Show
Richard
Allen
Messiah wrote:
> Apocalypse Now.
>
> Seriously, Apocalypse Now. Unquestionably.
Why was this thread posted to rec.music.classical?
Allen
>
Al Smith
> this ng on the best films of the 70s.
> there are many others contracted to do surveys in other
> places(churches, schools, stockyards, slaughterhouses, skid row, etc).
> at the end of the year, all these surveys will be combined for the end
> result.
>
> rules:
>
> list 25 best films of 70s. no limit per director. choose 'objective
> best' over mere personal favorite. of course, a film can be both a
> 'objective list' and a personal favorite. in other words, godfather is
> okay but no russ meyer movies please. yeah, yeah, you might wanna
> prove you're hip, cool, funny, goofy, etc. okay, you've impressed us
> blah blah blah. now, how about giving us a decent list, eh?
As Jack Benny used to say, "Well, gee." Why should the choices for
personal best differ from objective best? If you personally feel
that a film belongs on the best list, then that's you're opinion.
All an individual can give is his opinion, unless he conducts a
public poll. Then he's giving the opinions of other people.
Parry
It should be "is," as "application" is singular.
-- Parry
alejandro de tacobell
heared of guilty pleasure?
i done luvs oreo cookie with ice cream but i wouldn't say it be one of
gourmet finest foody.
Derek Janssen
> i've been hired by american cinema heritage institute
..."American Cinema Heritage Institute"??
(Yeah, right, he got some mailbox spam...)
Derek Janssen (Gaza lost us at "hired")
dja...@charter.net
Peter T. Daniels
>
> this ng on the best films of the 70s.
Really. The ACHI (whatever that is) hired you to ask classical music
enthusiasts to list the "best" films of 30 years ago.
I find that rather hard to believe.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Nick Macpherson
It's your snobby dismissal of "guilty pleasures" that make all your
best of lists look like they came from a sixty year old librarian with
a communist past.
Lincoln Spector
"blob is george galloway of past films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:1132081338....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> i've been hired by american cinema heritage institute to do a survey in
> this ng on the best films of the 70s.
> there are many others contracted to do surveys in other
> places(churches, schools, stockyards, slaughterhouses, skid row, etc).
> at the end of the year, all these surveys will be combined for the end
> result.
site that Google has heard of, and hires someone who writes like a
functional illiterate to create an "objective" list of something that is
inherently subjective?
Lincoln
Derek Janssen
And the constant harping on 70's films, "Godfather", "Planet of the
Apes", Yoda jokes and corny pop-cliche' quotes that makes him look like
a well-fumigated dudester who doesn't get away from the cable TV much.
Derek Janssen (and this year, we additionally got the "Scarface" refs,
which officially completes the Stoner Trifecta...)
dja...@charter.net
Derek Janssen
It's another neat funny-word Gaza made up out of his head--
More realistic than "pointful" or "cineaste", but less creative than
"hyperactive superintelligence" or "fascio-jewosity"
Derek Janssen (his mind is peptic, frasmotic, even compunctious...)
dja...@charter.net
Magnus, Robot Fighter
Are you implying Gaza speech-writes for Bush? That wreaks of
ridiculocity.
Perry Sailor
"John Harkness" <jhar...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:f9gkn1dtc1940okpl...@4ax.com...
True, but "application" is singular. So "the application of THOSE criteria
IS also subjective."
Perry
John Doe II
2-10: who cares....................
Nick Macpherson
Also, long time Gaza watchers will spot the Russ Meyer dismissal in the
original post as Gaza's sore loser allusion to his Hall of Fame Five
Star Generals of Filmmaking website he shut down (claiming divine
intervention) after Meyer got voted in by Past Film folk.
alejandro de tacobell
in my list be movies i done dearly love close to my heart.
i done loves and loves siberiade. i just loves it.
i aint list a movie that i personally don't hold very very dear in my
heart like.
how you dare accuse me of being fuddy and stuffy and such?
shame sense you not have?
you thinks you is cool cuz you's done likes some blaxploitation movie
of 70s and its remake by tarantino. okay, you hip guy. you cool guy.
but like beatles say, it's a fool who plays it cool and make world
whole lot coler... though with global warming, maybe not bad idea as
such.
steve
<perry....@REMOVETHIScolorado.edu> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> >>> : And if given a set of criteria, the application of that criteria is
> >>> : also subjective.
> >>>
> >>> Some days, I wish that Grammar Cop were a paid position.
> >>
> >>Help me out. What are the mistakes in grammar here?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>steve
> >
> > the application of THOSE criteria ARE also subjective. "Criteria" is
> > plural.
>
> True, but "application" is singular. So "the application of THOSE
> criteria
> IS also subjective."
How about "..the application of that set of criteria is also subjective."
But, please, can we get on with it?
alejandro de tacobell
thunderbolt and lightfoot
hard times
warriors
driver
cross of iron
Derek Janssen
> how wrong you be.
>
> how you dare accuse me of being fuddy and stuffy and such?
> shame sense you not have?
(Yep, told ya, Nick--
Seriously, WITH stoners and Yoda-talks-funny joke obsessions, what is?)
Derek Janssen (I mean, is it like some gay/Judy-Garland thing, they all
got together at some secret meeting and agreed to make it a living
cultural stereotype?) 0_o??
dja...@charter.net
Al Smith
If you're not listing the movies you personally think are the best
movies, what are you listing? That's right, you're listing the
movies you think other people would choose as the best movies.
xpurgatoryx
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
You are a mean bastard.
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Sorry, John, but you started this. The subject of the sentence is
"application", not "criteria", therefore the singular verb is correct.
You are, of course, correct that "criteria" is the plural of "criterion".
--
Frank in Seattle
____
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
Chris Cathcart
1st group of 7:
Barry Lyndon
Taxi Driver
Godfather
Godfather Part II
Solaris
Stalker
Mirror
2nd group of 7:
Apocalypse Now
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Dersu Uzala
Aguirre, Wrath of God
Don't Look Now
McCabe & Mrs. Miller
Days of Heaven
3rd Group of 7:
Amarcord
Manhattan
Chinatown
Celine and Julie Go Boating
F for Fake
A Clockwork Orange
Harold and Maude
4th group of 4:
The Duellists
Paper Moon
Spirit of the Beehive
The Conversation
Just missed: Nosferatu (Herzog), Walkabout, Catch-22
Coppola scores 4, Tarkovsky 3, Kubrick 2, Roeg 1.5, Herzog 1.5. Try as
I might, I can only get 8 non-English-language films into the first 25.
A bit nuts that I couldn't get a Bunuel, Bergman or Fassbinder film in
there, or more than one Ashby.
alejandro de tacobell
no, fool. i saying you should vote for movies that you personally love
and think is great. but, there be those movies you KNOW is bad but
still like for whatever reason. you should not list these.
i like some dumb movies. i love some them dearly indeedski. but, me not
say they great just because me like. i loves stripes with bill murray.
it not great. but me love cuz it kill me. so personally me love. but
would i say it great? no.
blob is george galloway of past films
steve wrote:
> On 15-Nov-2005, smacked up and reeling, "blob is george galloway of past
> films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> blindly formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
> > it like this. suppose you watch a movie called 'big boob women go
> > bouncy on mars' and like it. but you know it a piece of shit
> > artistically.
>
> > yet, suppose you highly admire some art movie--great acting, script,
> > cinematography,etc--but you not exactly like.
>
> I understand your point, but I think, in a way, it's a bit of intellectual
> dishonesty. The mechanics of a film are just one aspect of it's quality.
> To use a musical analogy, Hendrix was sloppy as hell but he had a musical
> vision and a ferocious energy. Many of the guitar heroes today (Joe
> Satriani, for example) have amazing chops but litle orv no vision/energy. I
> suppose I would be willing (but not anxious) to call Satriani a better
> guitarist, but certainly not a better musician. Mahavisnu John McLaughlin,
> on the other hand, had/has an incredible vision and energy as well as killer
> chops. Id call him a superior guitarist and a superior musician.
>
> So the technical qualities are not defining, though they are relevant.
>
> And as I mentioned earlier, it is your subjective choice to value the
> technical elements over the film experience itself. That makes your
> "objective" simply subjective once removed.
>
> steve
> --
> "Local firemen improvised."
> Benny Hill
no, no, no, you so wrong. i not only talk about technical proficiency.
i also talk about vision, inspiration, originality, the whole shebang.
btw, hendrix not sloppy but intentionally chaotic. big difference.
anyway, one can be kinda messy and be great.
however, you know and i know there some stuff that just not great but
we like so much.
for example, you like benny hill much. it kill you. but would you say
benny hill up there with shakespeare and chaplin? no, you not would say
such thing so dumb.
it a personal favorite. that what i mean.
anyway, one can be great artist and be kinda crude and messy like
o'neill. there still power, truth, pain, compelling stuff all over.
also, one can be technically good and be shitty. most hollywood movies
today well-done technically. professional crew involved. but most
mooies silly and not worth the ful.
the point is there is obviously bad stuff we love anyway. and there is
obviously great stuff we not like too much personally.
for example, me thinks rolling stone very great. but me not like them
much. in fact, i'd rather listen to pedro and gordono or dave clark
fiver than stones. but stones greater. you knowy and i knowy. so
settled then. adios.
John Doe II
"Chris Cathcart" <cath...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132115878.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> (picked this thread up from rec.music.classical)
>
> 1st group of 7:
>
?
> Taxi Driver
over rated
> Godfather
> Godfather Part II
> Solaris
good films
> Stalker
> Mirror
??
>
> 2nd group of 7:
>
> Apocalypse Now
good flim
> Picnic at Hanging Rock
> Dersu Uzala
> Aguirre, Wrath of God
> Don't Look Now
> McCabe & Mrs. Miller
> Days of Heaven
??????
>
> 3rd Group of 7:
>
> Amarcord
> Manhattan
??
> Chinatown
ok
> Celine and Julie Go Boating
> F for Fake
??
> A Clockwork Orange
over rated
> Harold and Maude
?
>
> 4th group of 4:
>
> The Duellists
> Paper Moon
> Spirit of the Beehive
> The Conversation
all overrated
blob is george galloway of past films
John Harkness wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:53:37 GMT, "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote:
>
> >On 15-Nov-2005, smacked up and reeling, sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard
> >Schultz) blindly formulated
> >the following incoherence:
> >
> >> : And if given a set of criteria, the application of that criteria is
> >> : also subjective.
> >>
> >> Some days, I wish that Grammar Cop were a paid position.
> >
> >Help me out. What are the mistakes in grammar here?
> >
> >thanks,
> >steve
>
> the application of THOSE criteria ARE also subjective. "Criteria" is
> plural.
>
man, is you dumb. plural for criteria is criterias. and you consider
yourself an esteemed member of the medias? go back to school.
blob is george galloway of past films
and thanky for reminding me of solaris by tark.
and let's not forget 'shark' and 'big red one' by sam fuller.
alejandro de tacobell
REVISED LIST including husbands
>
> my list:
>
> siberiade
> stalker
> eraserhead
> godfather I + II
> barry lyndon
> husbands
> emigrants/new land
>
> seven beauties
> mccabe and mrs miller
> nashville
> thx 1138
> taxi driver
> apocalypse now(redux)
> chinatown
>
> one flew over cuckoo's nest
> judge and the assassin
> last detail
> lancelot du lac
> mean streets
> dersu uzala
> harold and maude
>
> patton
> duck you sucker
> two english girls
> man of marble
>
>
> Just missed it: dog day afternoon, solaris, straw dogs, saturday night fever, deliverance, french
> connection, badlands, days of heaven, clockwork orange, aguirre wrath
> of god, swept away, love and anarchy, last bang in paris, passenger,
> ali fear eats the soul, hired hand, exorcist, chabrol and rohmer films,
> star wars, last picture show, two lane blacktop, american graffitti,
> sleeper, love and death, wiseblood, jaws, scenes from marriage, being
> there, papillon, get carter,
>
> Worth consideration: wild child, conformist, getaway, pat garret,
> killer elite, all the president's men, little big man, conversation,
> take the money and run, bananas, passion of anna, face to face,
> zatoichi meets yojimbo, story of adele h, kramer vs kramer, five easy
> pieces, cries and whispers, serpent's egg, amarcord, that obscure
> object of desire, mother and whore, camera buff, monty python holy
> grail, nicholas and alexandra, manhattan, annie hall, real life, coming
> home, sleuth,
>
>
> Worth consideration perhaps: parallex view, sounder, enter the dragon,
> zardoz, dirty harry, unmarried woman, 1900, incredible kung fu
> mission(dubbed), cotton comes to harlem, grease, etc.
>
>
>
> you may consult this site for possible choices:
>
> http://www.cinepad.com/awards/best_70s.htm
>
> http://www.imdb.com/chart/1970s
BH
same. people never list what are their favorites, but rather what
others expect them to say. for instance, i think "conformist" is a
piece of garbage. and "grease." and "thx 1138." i consider those your
personal favorites, and i'm sure many people agree. and others not.
so here are my personal favorites...because i'm not qualified, nor is
anyone, to say what's "best." but, yes, i do think the following are
all terrific films. i hope you will include them in your survey instead
of eliminating them to get a list you have already preconceived.
Network
The Last Picture Show
Cabaret
Annie Hall
Paper Moon
The Goodbye Girl
Frenzy
The Late Show
The Muppet Movie
What's Up, Doc?
Dog Day Afternoon
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Stepford Wives
Taxi Driver
Blazing Saddles
Harold and Maude
Young Frankenstein
Being There
Manhattan
Kramer vs. Kramer
Norma Rae
Five Easy Pieces
Smile
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
A New Leaf
Al Smith
>>> movies, what are you listing? That's right, you're listing the
>>> movies you think other people would choose as the best movies.
>>>
>
>
> You are a mean bastard.
"Me? You talkin' to me? You must be talkin' to me, 'cause I don't
see anyone else here."
I'm not mean, I'm a cupcake. :-)
Andrew Kieswetter
GODFATHER I & II
TAXI DRIVER
NASHVILLE
STAR WARS
APOCALYPSE NOW
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND
M*A*S*H*
PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK
MEAN STREETS
HAROLD AND MAUDE
ANNIE HALL
MANHATTAN
BREWSTER McCLOUD
O LUCKY MAN!
CLOCKWORK ORANGE
EXORCIST
ERASERHEAD
YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN
JAWS
BLAZING SADDLES
BANANAS
Andrew Kieswetter.
steve
films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> for example, you like benny hill much. it kill you. but would you say
> benny hill up there with shakespeare and chaplin?
Well...not Shakespeare, of course, but I cant stand Chucky Chaplin and place
BH way above him in the comedy food chain. When Benny hill is on top of his
game (and he produced so much material that it's no big deal to admit he has
some slow moments...sometimes slow half hours, even) he is brilliant.
Frankly Im baffled why so many people here have so little respect for the
guy.
> the point is there is obviously bad stuff we love anyway. and there is
> obviously great stuff we not like too much personally.
But why call it great if you dont like it personally? What is this
objective measure of greatness? Arent you just avoiding the obviouse, or
perhaps even excusing your personal taste by paying lip service to the
"greats" that you dont enjoy?
> me thinks rolling stone very great. but me not like them
> much.
Silly. First of all, the stones suck (personal opinion, of course...and I
mean musicianship and just about everything else). But what quality do you
see that confers greatness, yet fails to entertain you?
moviePig
Derek Janssen wrote:
> alejandro de tacobell wrote:
>
>> how wrong you be.
>>
>> how you dare accuse me of being fuddy and stuffy and such?
>> shame sense you not have?
>
>
> (Yep, told ya, Nick--
> Seriously, WITH stoners and Yoda-talks-funny joke obsessions, what is?)
>
> (I mean, is it like some gay/Judy-Garland thing, they all
> got together at some secret meeting and agreed to make it a living
> cultural stereotype?)
You mean... Judy was a puppet?
-Punch
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Derek Janssen
>>
>>> how wrong you be.
>>>
>>> how you dare accuse me of being fuddy and stuffy and such?
>>> shame sense you not have?
>>
>> (Yep, told ya, Nick--
>> Seriously, WITH stoners and Yoda-talks-funny joke obsessions, what is?)
>>
>> (I mean, is it like some gay/Judy-Garland thing, they all got together
>> at some secret meeting and agreed to make it a living cultural
>> stereotype?)
(You know, like they all gathered together at midnight in a secret
basement antechamber of the local White Castle, and exchanged their
arcane ritual greetings and passwords?:
"Dude!--'Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?'"
"Bro!--'Size matters not, it does!'")
> You mean... Judy was a puppet?
>
> -Punch
(Um--I'd ask to unpack that one, except...I have this feeling it might
not be worth it? 0_o?? )
Derek Janssen (probably best to leave it where it is)
dja...@charter.ent
xpurgatoryx
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
hostess?
moviePig
Derek Janssen wrote:
> (probably best to leave it where it is)
You're right... it's indefensible. I'll indeed leave as merely a
warning to future generations...
BH
Paskunia
in news:1132081338....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Here's mine:
godfather I
apocalypse now(Original)
chinatown
patton
french connection
exorcist
star wars ep iv
jaws
monty python & the holy grail
dirty harry
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is george galloway of past films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> i've been hired by american cinema heritage institute to do a survey in
> this ng on the best films of the 70s.
why not study the facts instead of taking a public opinion poll?
Of coure, if you think that public opinion creates facts...
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Stephen Grossman
> OK, what is "objective best" supposed to mean? Even if one applies a set of
> criteria, the selection of that criteria is subjective. And if given a set
> of criteria, the application of that criteria is also subjective.
But arent your claims subjective? ;<)
fallacy of self-exclusion is commited by skeptic claim that EVERY claim is
subjective
Stephen Grossman
is george galloway of past films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> what mean by 'objective'?
knowing reality by means of logic.
revelation is pseudo-objective because no method
see ayn rands intro to objectivist epistemology at aynrand bookstore
Stephen Grossman
(Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In article <wZqdnQrruPf6qufe...@rcn.net>, steve
<st...@steve.com> wrote:
>
> : OK, what is "objective best" supposed to mean? Even if one applies a set of
> : criteria, the selection of that criteria is subjective.
>
> But subjectivity is objective!
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
I thank my Maker for having made me without what they call a 'sense of
objectivity.'
Herman Goering.
The Nazis were basically subjectivists, a fact that should concern an israeli
see leonard peikoffs ominous parallels aynrand bookstore
Stephen Grossman
"Messiah" <alan....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Apocalypse Now.
>
> Seriously, Apocalypse Now. Unquestionably.
its nihilst theme is despicable but purely as a work of art, it is
technically competent.
Stephen Grossman
The mechanics of a film are just one aspect of it's quality.
> To use a musical analogy, Hendrix was sloppy as hell but he had a musical
> vision and a ferocious energy. Many of the guitar heroes today (Joe
> Satriani, for example) have amazing chops but litle orv no vision/energy. I
> suppose I would be willing (but not anxious) to call Satriani a better
> guitarist, but certainly not a better musician. Mahavisnu John McLaughlin,
> on the other hand, had/has an incredible vision and energy as well as killer
> chops. Id call him a superior guitarist and a superior musician.
The Greeks looked for the One in the Many. Religion evades the Many for
a phony One. Modernists like the Many but evade integrating them into a One.
All subjectivists are assholes. Discuss w/examples.
Stephen Grossman
<inv...@address.com> wrote:
> If you're not listing the movies you personally think are the best
> movies, what are you listing? That's right, you're listing the
> movies you think other people would choose as the best movies.
like the villains in THe fountainhead
Stephen Grossman
<fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> "John Harkness" <jhar...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:f9gkn1dtc1940okpl...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:53:37 GMT, "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On 15-Nov-2005, smacked up and reeling, sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard
> >>Schultz) blindly formulated
> >>the following incoherence:
> >>
> >>> : And if given a set of criteria, the application of that criteria is
> >>> : also subjective.
> >>>
> >>> Some days, I wish that Grammar Cop were a paid position.
> >>
> >>Help me out. What are the mistakes in grammar here?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>steve
> >
> > the application of THOSE criteria ARE also subjective. "Criteria" is
> > plural.
>
> Sorry, John, but you started this. The subject of the sentence is
> "application", not "criteria", therefore the singular verb is correct.
>
> You are, of course, correct that "criteria" is the plural of "criterion".
I failed high school grammar but i have read Aristotle's Metaphysics.
wherezzatat?
Chris Cathcart
Stephen Grossman, everyone's favorite Objectivist, wrote:
> In article <1132081338....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "blob
> is george galloway of past films" <cerebur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i've been hired by american cinema heritage institute to do a survey in
> > this ng on the best films of the 70s.
>
> why not study the facts instead of taking a public opinion poll?
> Of coure, if you think that public opinion creates facts...
A valid purpose of a public opinion poll on something like this is to
gather together suggestions for consideration. I've discovered a large
number of good films this way, as something of a weeding-out or
filtering device, but there's little reason to treat any list as
definitive. Some, though, are certainly better than others.
There's also the matter of being able to identify objective elements of
a film that you could see as enhancing its enjoyability or
appreciability amongst a large number of people, without particularly
enjoying the picture much oneself. A movie can be boring as hell but
contain important thematic content, for instance. Or bolshy stuff like
-Battleship Potemkin-, with its contribution/innovation in the craft of
filmmaking.
And then there's films like -Barry Lyndon-, which is my personal fave
and might well be the best film yet made, at least in league with -The
Godfather- and the like. But it doesn't rate particularly highly
except in a few polls (Sight & Sound critics, Village Voice, DVDBeaver
online poll).
Peter T. Daniels
But what's it got to do with r.m.c.?
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Chris Cathcart
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> But what's it got to do with r.m.c.?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
"Which is what you are about to become. Say goodbye to your two best
friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago."
Chris Cathcart
Stephen Grossman wrote:
> In article <1132083919.5...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Messiah" <alan....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Apocalypse Now.
> >
> > Seriously, Apocalypse Now. Unquestionably.
>
> its nihilst theme is despicable but purely as a work of art, it is
> technically competent.
It's theme isn't nihilist, but you made the positive claim to begin
with, so let's see you try and back it up.
beavis
Chris Cathcart <cath...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
>
> "Which is what you are about to become. Say goodbye to your two best
> friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago."
HA!
"We ain't found s--t!"
Nicolai P. Zwar
Or, to use a more familiar phrase:
"What does that have to do with classical music?"
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http://www.nicolaizwar.com
"I am made out of water. You wouldn't know it, because I have it bound
in. My friends are made out of water, too. All of them. The problem for
us is that not only do we have to walk around without being absorbed by
the ground but we also have to earn our livings."
(Jack Isidore of Seville, Calif.)
Peter T. Daniels
> > But what's it got to do with r.m.c.?
>
> Or, to use a more familiar phrase:
> "What does that have to do with classical music?"
But that would be question-begging.