Some great lists - TV/Movie spaceships & fx, good & bad
Anim8rFSK
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
.html
Notable exclusions:
The space ark from WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/n1.jpg
Yeah, it's more for the ramp than the ship, and, yeah, Fireball XL5
covers the same ground with a cooler ship, but still!
If I were going with a solar sailor, I'd go with Sisko's replica of the
Bajoran Solar Lightship from Deep Space 9
http://doena-journal.net/wp-content/uploads/episodes/ds9/292px-Bajoran_li
ght ship_(aft).jpg
Jupiter 2
http://www.iann.net/lis/jupiter.htm
Yeah, he's got too many saucers, and he probably mentions this in the
text some place, but really, no Irwin Allen?
Spindrift
http://stilgherrian.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/lund_spindrift.jpg
Okay, if not the Jupiter 2, how about this for the Irwin Allen entry?
Classic Klingon
http://www.cloudster.com/sets&vehicles/Klingon/klingon30a.jpg
I still prefer the classic over anything design that came later, in
either TV or ST-TMP configuration
Other notes
Thank Kdapt it's the *original* Enterprise on there!
Enemy Mine is a remake of Hell in the Pacific? Well, maybe, but it's also
almost shot for shot ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS.
***also***
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/177951/top_50_movie_special_effects_shots
.html
and-
hah!
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/167741/top_24_worst_special_effects_of_al
l_time.html
#20: Titanic (1998)
- 'Poser people' on deck
--
Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
--actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
Derek Janssen
> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>
> http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
> .html
>
> Notable exclusions:
And okay, so we're allowing anime with the Yamato, but not the Galaxy
Express 999?:
http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=279
(Or what, it was just because Star Blazers got Western syndication over
here?--
Hey, we DID get the Roger Corman movie-dub!)
Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net
Arthur Lipscomb
"Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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Speaking of Roger Corman where's the ship from Battle Beyond the Stars and
Space Raiders?
http://www.badmovies.org/movies/battlebeyond/battlebeyond1.jpg
And the ship from Superman (1978) was pretty memorable as well.
SparkoHeaps
> .html
>
> Notable exclusions:
>
> The space ark from WHEN WORLDS COLLIDEhttp://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/n1.jpg
> Yeah, it's more for the ramp than the ship, and, yeah, Fireball XL5
> covers the same ground with a cooler ship, but still!
>
> If I were going with a solar sailor, I'd go with Sisko's replica of the
> ght ship_(aft).jpg
>
> Jupiter 2http://www.iann.net/lis/jupiter.htm
> Yeah, he's got too many saucers, and he probably mentions this in the
> text some place, but really, no Irwin Allen?
>
> Okay, if not the Jupiter 2, how about this for the Irwin Allen entry?
>
> I still prefer the classic over anything design that came later, in
> either TV or ST-TMP configuration
>
> Other notes
>
> Thank Kdapt it's the *original* Enterprise on there!
>
> Enemy Mine is a remake of Hell in the Pacific? Well, maybe, but it's also
> almost shot for shot ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS.
>
> ***also***
>
> .html
>
> and-
> hah!http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/167741/top_24_worst_special_effects_o...
> l_time.html
> #20: Titanic (1998)
> - 'Poser people' on deck
>
> --
> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
I wish the Cygnus from the Black Hole was there. A silly movie, but a
very elegant ship.
krp
"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote in message
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They missed some other good ones like Captain Video's ship, and that of
Rocky Jones.
Maybe it should be the top 100?
Anim8rFSK
<70c930d9-3679-40ae...@i8g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
SparkoHeaps <spark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 11:03�am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
> >
> > http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top 75 spaceships in movies an...
> > .html
> >
> > Notable exclusions:
> >
> > The space ark from WHEN WORLDS
> > COLLIDEhttp://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/n1.jpg
> > Yeah, it's more for the ramp than the ship, and, yeah, Fireball XL5
> > covers the same ground with a cooler ship, but still!
> >
> > If I were going with a solar sailor, I'd go with Sisko's replica of the
> > Bajoran Solar Lightship from Deep Space
> > 9http://doena-journal.net/wp-content/uploads/episodes/ds9/292px-Bajora...
> > ght ship (aft).jpg
> >
> > Jupiter 2http://www.iann.net/lis/jupiter.htm
> > Yeah, he's got too many saucers, and he probably mentions this in the
> > text some place, but really, no Irwin Allen?
> >
> > Spindrifthttp://stilgherrian.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/lund
> > spindrift.jpg
> > Okay, if not the Jupiter 2, how about this for the Irwin Allen entry?
> >
> > Classic
> > Klingonhttp://www.cloudster.com/sets&vehicles/Klingon/klingon30a.jpg
> > I still prefer the classic over anything design that came later, in
> > either TV or ST-TMP configuration
> >
> > Other notes
> >
> > Thank Kdapt it's the *original* Enterprise on there!
> >
> > Enemy Mine is a remake of Hell in the Pacific? Well, maybe, but it's also
> > almost shot for shot ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS.
> >
> > ***also***
> >
> > http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/177951/top 50 movie special effects s...
> > .html
> >
> > and-
> > hah!http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/167741/top 24 worst special effects
> > o...
> > l time.html
> > #20: Titanic (1998)
> > - 'Poser people' on deck
> >
> > --
> > Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> > Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> > --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
>
> I wish the Cygnus from the Black Hole was there. A silly movie, but a
> very elegant ship.
Yeah, that was one I thought should be there too.
Steven L.
> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>
> http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
> .html
>
>
> Notable exclusions:
>
One spaceship I remember from my childhood, was "Galasphere 347," from
"Planet Patrol," a children's TV series circa 1960. It had a unique
gyroscopic design:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3442322128_b0501a2a14.jpg?v=1240775144
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLNa_YUPXes
The city was pretty cool too.
--
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Jack Bohn
>The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>
>http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
>.html
>
>
>Notable exclusions:
If I were to go to 75 spaceships, an embarrassingly large lot of
them would be from the Buck Rogers show.
Glad to see his Thunder Fighter gets pride of place among
starfighters, even above the X-Wing (which I would place lower
than the Y-Wing), mainly for not being a fighter plane in space.
And it's mean, but I gotta say it, if you have the X-Wing on the
list, why do you need the Viper?
The Draconian flagship is alright for the mile[s]-long plastic
kits parts collection style, but two other ships that caught my
eye were from "Flight of the War Witch" with bold stripes, and a
sexy model from "Cruise Ship to the Stars" (or maybe it was the
sexy model of the other type draped over it like in the car
magazines). I was very happy when this model was used as the
Searcher in the second season. Although it doesn't say much for
the Earth Defense Directorate that the only capital ship we'd
seen them use was rented from a cruise line.
--
-Jack
trag
> .html
>
> Notable exclusions:
While I admire the amount of effort the author put into writing that
list, the guy is way too much into Star Wars and Star Trek.
And he lost all credibility when he described the "Starship Troopers"
movie as "underrated". He also called Star Trek "Enterprise"
underrated twice. Clearly his taste is suspect.
I find it difficult to believe that he omitted the ship from "The
Starlost" but given his Star Wars fetish, I bet he has never heard of
"The Starlost". He also claims to be familiar with the B5 ships and
yet likes none of them enough to put them on the top 75 list. This
raises my suspicion that he's a Star Trek fetishist.
LookingGlass
with a bit of better acting. Or would that ruin the effect?) Love the
rocketships!!!
Dale
Shouldn't that be a Star Wars fetishist? ;-)
--
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Damn it I'm a trek fan not a political wonk!
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Mac Breck
> "Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:cLL7m.2776$P5....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>>>
>>>
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
>>> .html
>>>
>>> Notable exclusions:
The Whitestar - Babylon 5
Vorlon Battlecruiser - Babylon 5
Vorlon Transport - Babylon 5
Shadow Battlecrab - Babylon 5
IA Victory Class Destroyer - Babylon 5, Crusade
Technomage Flyer - Babylon 5
Minbari Sharlin Cruiser - Babylon 5
EA Starfury - Babylon 5
EA Thunderbolt Starfury - Babylon 5
--
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-------------------------------
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Durkani: It doesn't matter if they believe us. Sooner or later the
truth's going to come out. The truth is....
Kendarr: ....out of fashion.
Dale
How about the Bebop from Cowboy Bebop and the Outlaw Star from the Anime
of the same name?
Mac Breck
> Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
>> "Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:cLL7m.2776$P5....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>>> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>>>>
>>>>
>
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
>>>> .html
>>>>
>>>> Notable exclusions:
>
> The Whitestar - Babylon 5
> Vorlon Battlecruiser - Babylon 5
> Vorlon Transport - Babylon 5
> Shadow Battlecrab - Babylon 5
> IA Victory Class Destroyer - Babylon 5, Crusade
Technomage Flyer - Crusade
krp
"LookingGlass" <goldenc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bring back FLASH GORDON...cheesy effects and all. (Though I could do
> with a bit of better acting. Or would that ruin the effect?) Love the
> rocketships!!!
Look that old serial IS still loads of fun. Scy Fy would be smart to
have a RETRO Sunday where they run old stuff like that. First it is cheap.
Flash Gordon is near public domain. There is so much old stuff out there.
Okay, the techno geeks will be in cardiac arrest because it is such BAD BAD
BAD BAD BAD science.
writerpatrick.webs.com
"krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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It's really a top 75 of personal preference. Although many of the ships do
deserve to be there. The problem with most designs is that they're just
basically rockets or saucers, when in fact a spacecraft can look like
anything. And there's too much Star Trek (whale probe?). I would have also
left off the Colonial Shuttle, since it's not that much to look at, but the
Viper should be rated higher; it's one of the coolest designs for a ship
ever.
Most of the ships listed just aren't that impressive. And there are some
that should be higher simply because they made such an impression at the
time. But how do you really distinguish one design as being better than
another? The Enterprise was a cool ship, but so was the Galactica. It would
be better as just a list of spacecraft than any effort to rate them.
--
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Greg Weston
ST:Nemesis, ST:Enterprise, ST:Voyager, Star Wars prequels, Andromeda,
multiple Roland Emmerich movies, multiple asteroid movies, Transformers,
The Core, and Earth: Final Conflict, and it criticizes the SFX in B5.
Viewer discretion is advised. Airsickness bags are located in the pouch
in the back of the seat in front of you.)
Anim8rFSK wrote:
> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>
> http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv
> .html
Strange. It's missing over half the top 50. Let's see, just off the top
of my head:
B5 - Whitestar.
B5 - B5 itself (it can move under its own propulsion)
SW - Death Star (ditto, and there were other mobile space stations on
the list!)
SW - Clone gunships (like the Aliens dropship, clearly patterned after
Vietnam-era war helicopters)
SW - Yoda's little escape pod used to flee to Dagobah
ST - NX-01 (gotta love the engine room as well as the exterior)
ST - Vulcan cruisers (ST:Enterprise -- would be cooler if those rings
rotated though -- and where were these or their upgraded
descendants in later eras?)
ST - Enterprise-E
ST - Enterprise-D
ST - DS9 (another mobile space station!)
ST - Son'aa warships
ST - Ring particle collector
ST - Scimitar
ST - Narada (nastiest-looking "mining ship" ever!)
ST - Reboot Enterprise
ST - V'ger (esp. as seen on the remastered DVD) (I can't believe the
whale probe made the original list but V'ger didn't!)
ST - Borg cube (!!!) and maybe honorable mentions for the Borg sphere
and the Borg octahedron (latter seen only in Dark Frontier)
ST - Species 8472 bio-ship
Titan A.E. - The Titan (and yes, the original list did contain cartoon
ships. Moreover, the Titan is CGI and in fact looks less
cartoonish than the Gunstar, which made the original list.)
ID4 - Alien attacker
ID4 - Alien mothership
ID4 - Alien troop carrier
ID4 - Alien city-destroyer (especially)
Emmerich knows his saucers!
Stargate - Ra's flying pyramid
SG1 - Asgard ship
SG1 - Ha'tak class ships (and they blow up very nicely)
SG1 - X-304 (especially post Asgard upgrades)
SG1 - Ori battlecruiser
SG:A - Wraith hive
SG:A - Atlantis itself (yes, it flies and yes, it even has a hyperdrive)
The big, big categorial omissions are clearly Stargate and Babylon 5.
(On the other hand, a lot of the ships in B5 look like either plastic
models, My First Pov-Ray Scene, cartoonish color agglomerations, or
rip-offs of various of the craft seen in Close Encounters. The Earth
ships look more real, but are clearly derivative of 2010's Leonov. That
leaves mainly just the station itself and the Whitestars. The jump gate
effect looks like someone screwing around with color-cycling in Fractint
on a 386; ST:DS9's wormhole effect beats the living crap out of it. B5's
SFX were very, very hit-and-miss in general, probably due to
over-reliance on then-immature CGI technology.)
Probably an honorable mention should go to the Andromeda and the Earth:
Final Conflict Taelon shuttle, though the Taelon mothership never looks
like more than a collection of lights sprinkled about in a vaguely
ship-shaped configuration in lunar orbit.
Another class of omissions seem to be from movies so recent they might
not have been seen by the list's creators at the time they composed the
list. (Then again, they seemed aware of the Star Trek reboot...)
The alien ships seen toward the end of Knowing rank right up there with
the one from Close Encounters.
The saucer in Indy and the Crystal Skull is derivative, but a) it's
*supposed* to be and b) it deserves at least honorable mention for the
interior and the way it F5-tornado's the landscape for miles around when
it takes off into hyperspace from only a few hundred feet altitude.
Sadly, the Transformers movies have so far been very light on
spaceships; Transformers are seen "naked" in orbit and in reentry shells
of some kind. Megatron and Starscream seem able to function as
spacecraft and travel at least interplanetary distances, so perhaps
Megatron at least should make the list.
Another class of omissions: REAL-WORLD spaceships appearing in movies
and on TV. Even restricting to science fiction, we have fictional
appearances by most of the space shuttles, Pioneer and both Voyager
probes, Apollo vehicles, and the International Space Station. The space
shuttles have been seen in lots of places: Armageddon (Atlantis, along
with the fictitious X-71s), Deep Impact (along with the fictitious
Messiah), Stargate: SG1 (Endeavor, in The Serpent's Lair), Earth: Final
Conflict, The Core (Endeavor again), and others. The ISS appears in the
title sequence for ST:Enterprise and in The Day After Tomorrow. Star
Trek has a habit of blowing up venerable old space probes: Pioneer 11
gets it from the business end of a Klingon disruptor bank in ST:TFF and
while V'ger doesn't exactly blow up, it does something that certainly
visually fairly strongly resembles blowing up. Furthermore, the ST:E
episode "Twilight" shows the planet Earth blowing up, and therefore, all
of the recovered probes and replicas in the Smithsonian.
Do real-world spacecraft deserve to make the list? That depends. If the
ship itself must be fictional, then no. Otherwise, well, they don't seem
very cool compared to things like the X-Wing and Ori battlecruisers.
Well, except for one thing -- they actually work, for real, and have
actually gone into orbit and sometimes beyond, sometimes repeatedly.
P.S. Anyone notice that the opening battle in SW:ROTS features ships
clearly ancestral to each of: Star Destroyer, TIE fighter, AND X-Wing?
And the Tantive IV or a close relative features, too, as well as (right
at the end) a shiny new actual Star Destroyer and a nearly-complete
Death Star (further along than the one in SW:ROTJ).
Dimensional Traveler
> On Jul 16, 12:03 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
>>
>> http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_an...
>> .html
>>
>> Notable exclusions:
>
> While I admire the amount of effort the author put into writing that
> list, the guy is way too much into Star Wars and Star Trek.
>
> And he lost all credibility when he described the "Starship Troopers"
> movie as "underrated". He also called Star Trek "Enterprise"
> underrated twice. Clearly his taste is suspect.
>
--
Things I learned from MythBusters #57: Never leave a loaded gun in an
exploding room.
Dimensional Traveler
> Bring back FLASH GORDON...cheesy effects and all. (Though I could do
> with a bit of better acting. Or would that ruin the effect?) Love the
> rocketships!!!
>
effect....
Derek Keaton
LookingGlass
>
> "LookingGlass" <goldencocke...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > Bring back FLASH GORDON...cheesy effects and all. (Though I could do
> > with a bit of better acting. Or would that ruin the effect?) Love the
> > rocketships!!!
>
> Look that old serial IS still loads of fun. Scy Fy would be smart to
> have a RETRO Sunday where they run old stuff like that. First it is cheap.
> Flash Gordon is near public domain. There is so much old stuff out there.
> Okay, the techno geeks will be in cardiac arrest because it is such BAD BAD
> BAD BAD BAD science.
Yes...ScyFy (stupid name!) is missing out on a great opportunity by
not utilizing the *history* of the genre as recorded in film from the
very beginning of the century through today's creations (there are
HUNDREDS of hours of film available). Even to producing documentaries
about the writers that came before the films that were inspired by
those writers...they can't be any more expensive to make than those
*cheesy* original movies they are making now.
I'm not one of those that has to have absolute *realism* in my Sci Fi.
As long as it's a good story and entertaining. I mean that's what most
of this stuff is about anyway. Besides...most EVERYTHING on TV and in
films is not real...excepting documentaries. If everything HAS to be
realistic, you might as well throw out all fiction. Where's the fun in
that. I get a thrill watching the old silent
greats...Nosferatu...Golem...Metropolis...etc. Lots of films since
then are exciting and entertaining...and fun! You can't tell me you
DON'T have to suspend your belief for Hellboy or Transformers or Star
Trek...c'mon. It's ALL quite silly. I just like a GOOD film...one that
entertains. Perhaps even one that *makes me think*. A good TV/Film is
MORE than just believable effects.
As Diaghilev once said..."Astonish me!"
LookingGlass
>
> LookingGlass wrote:
>
> > Bring back FLASH GORDON...cheesy effects and all. (Though I could do
> > with a bit of better acting. Or would that ruin the effect?) Love the
> > rocketships!!!
>
> You seem to be implying that the acting are not part of the cheesy
> effect....
Well of course it is part of the cheesiness...I just want Roquefort,
not Velveeta. :o)
Audie Murphy's Ghost
Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> trag wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 12:03 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> The 'Top 75 Space ships list'...
> >>
> >> http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/286589/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_an...
> >> .html
> >>
> >> Notable exclusions:
> >
> > While I admire the amount of effort the author put into writing that
> > list, the guy is way too much into Star Wars and Star Trek.
> >
> > And he lost all credibility when he described the "Starship Troopers"
> > movie as "underrated". He also called Star Trek "Enterprise"
> > underrated twice. Clearly his taste is suspect.
> >
> Everyone's taste is suspect. We've proven that several times over. :D
The list includes the moon shuttle from 2001 but not the Pan Am Space
Clipper from the same film. Ridiculous.
Dale
Try the internet archive it has a lot of the old series there.
LookingGlass
>
> Yes...ScyFy (stupid name!) is missing out on a great opportunity by
> not utilizing the *history* of the genre as recorded in film from the
> very beginning of the century through today's creations (there are
> HUNDREDS of hours of film available). Even to producing documentaries
> about the writers that came before the films that were inspired by
> those writers...they can't be any more expensive to make than those
> *cheesy* original movies they are making now.
>
> I'm not one of those that has to have absolute *realism* in my Sci Fi.
> As long as it's a good story and entertaining. I mean that's what most
> of this stuff is about anyway. Besides...most EVERYTHING on TV and in
> films is not real...excepting documentaries. If everything HAS to be
> realistic, you might as well throw out all fiction. Where's the fun in
> that. I get a thrill watching the old silent
> greats...Nosferatu...Golem...Metropolis...etc. Lots of films since
> then are exciting and entertaining...and fun! You can't tell me you
> DON'T have to suspend your belief for Hellboy or Transformers or Star
> Trek...c'mon. It's ALL quite silly. I just like a GOOD film...one that
> entertains. Perhaps even one that *makes me think*. A good TV/Film is
> MORE than just believable effects.
>
> As Diaghilev once said..."Astonish me!"
That should read SyFy (shiver!)...and the century referenced should be
the *Twentieth* century.
(Thank you for your attention.)
Dimensional Traveler
LookingGlass
>
> LookingGlass wrote:
>
> > Well of course it is part of the cheesiness...I just want Roquefort,
> > not Velveeta. :o)
>
> Ah, I see. You prefer stinky over smooth.
:o)
(rimshot optional)