Why Islamistan will never make good movies .
Mo
and encourages them to excel themselves as Hinduism does.
Islam is just put a black tent over your heads , flog the women if
they smile , ban flying of kites or anything that makes life worth
living and takes away from boring prayers to a non existent Allah..
Not one Muslim country will allow demonstration against the barbaric
Mullah and his destruction of priceless works of art..
The Taleban condemn statues as false gods and idols
Afghanistan's ruling Taleban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, has ordered
the destruction of all statues in the country, including ancient
pre-Islamic figures.
In an edict published by the Taleban-run Bakhtar News Agency, Mullah
Omar declared the statues were insulting to Islam and should be
destroyed so they could never again be worshipped.
Bamiyan's tall Buddha angers the Taleban
The figures include the world's tallest standing Buddha, a 53-metre
statue carved into a cliff face in the central town of Bamiyan.
There has been an international outcry over reports that priceless
monuments and works of art have been destroyed in Afghanistan, and the
latest development seems certain to provoke more concern.
The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation,
Unesco, has appealed to the Taleban to preserve works of art, and a
team of western diplomats is currently in the capital, Kabul, calling
for Afghanistan's rich heritage to be preserved.
False gods
In an interview with the BBC's Pashto Service, a Taleban spokesman,
Mullah Abdul Hai Motmain, said the statues were being worshipped.
He said it had been the policy of prophets and Islamic holy men from
time immemorial to destroy all false gods.
Statues are scattered all over Afghanistan, and include a number of
Hindu shrines in Bakhtiar province.
But the most prominent figures are the ancient Buddhas of Bamiyan,
where most of the population is still Buddhist.
There has recently been fierce fighting around the town, which has
several times changed hands.
Taleban enemies
Mullah Motmain said the people worshipping the statues were enemies of
the Taleban. He refused to accept that Islam called for respect for
other faiths.
Islam, he said, had defeated and cancelled out all other religions.
Kabul museum contains priceless Buddha statues
With their ultra-conservative Islamic ideology, the Taleban believe
depiction of any human figure is blasphemous.
Some also think, mistakenly, that Buddhists worship the Buddha and
that the statues are therefore idols.
Until now, the Taleban rulers had said the statues could be preserved,
as long as they were not the objects of worship.
Two weeks ago, the movement denied reports circulating in Kabul that
more than a dozen non-Islamic artefacts in the National Museum,
including a priceless figure of the Buddha, had been destroyed.
Mo
majority in India . Mullah Omar will next say that the Quranic verses
which call for killing of idol worshippers 9/5 and represent the word
of 'Allah' must be obeyed . All these orders are inspired by the
Deobandi Mullahs of Uttar Pradesh , the most hardline ones in the
whole world . Wake up !..
Taliban: Statues Must Be Destroyed
Monday February 26, 2001 7:50 pm
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Afghanistan's hard-line Taliban rulers
ordered the destruction Monday of all statues, including a giant 5th-
century Buddha that is said to be the world's tallest of its kind.
The order came from the Taliban's supreme leader, Mullah Mohammed
Omar, who issued an edict declaring statues, including the ancient
Buddhas, as insulting to Islam.
``Because God is one God and these statues are there to be worshipped
and that is wrong. They should be destroyed so that they are not
worshipped now or in the future,'' Omar said in his edict, published
by the Taliban-run Bakhtar News Agency.
Afghanistan's ancient Buddhas are located in Bamiyan, about 90 miles
west of the Afghan capital of Kabul. One Buddha, measuring 175 feet,
is said to be the world's tallest statue in which Buddha is standing
up rather than sitting.
The smaller is 120 feet tall. The two statues, which have been damaged
in fighting in the area, were carved out of the Afghan mountainside in
the 5th century.
It's not clear what prompted the edict from the Taliban, but a leading
Islamic scholar in neighboring Pakistan, Dr. Israr Ahmed, said the
Taliban took their direction from Islam's Prophet Mohammed.
The religious army espouses a strict brand of Islamic law and reviles
all images as contrary to the tenets of Islam.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Ahmed said Mohammed
outlawed the making of ``any images of living creatures with one's
hands and ordered the faithful not to make statues.''
The Taliban were right to order statues destroyed, Ahmed said.
However, had there been practicing Buddhists in Afghanistan, the
Taliban would have been required to allow them their statues but
within the confines of a place of worship, he said.
The Taliban ban most forms of light entertainment, all photography,
and requires men to wear beards in keeping with the fashion of Islam's
prophet Mohammed.
The Taliban rule roughly 95 percent of the country and the opposition,
led by ousted President Burhanuddin Rabbani, the remaining 5 percent.
Afghanistan's museum also contains a treasure-trove of Buddhist-era
artifacts. Much of the museum was destroyed in the bitter fighting
between rival Islamic factions between 1992 and 1996 when the Taliban
took control.
Many of the artifacts were stolen and sold on the open market. Some
have appeared in museums around the world.
The tallest of the two giant Buddhas has already been damaged by
zealous Taliban soldiers who fired rocket propelled grenades at it.
There have been reports that the faces of the Buddhas have been
disfigured. Images of faces are forbidden in Islam, according to the
Taliban.
Omar ordered his Ministry of Vice and Virtue to send its men out to
destroy all statues in Afghanistan.
The edict comes as an international delegation is in Kabul meeting
with Taliban leaders to try to preserve Afghanistan's heritage. Among
the delegation are the Italian and Greek ambassadors in neighboring
Pakistan. There was no immediate comment from that delegation to the
Taliban leader's newest order.
Mo
Vajpayee spoke up and said that Islamic injunctions are unacceptable
and the Quranic verses calling for killing idol worshippers and Jews
9/5 and others be deleted or modified..
Afghanistan's famous Buddhas under death sentence
KABUL, Feb 26 (AFP) - Some of the earliest examples of Buddhist art
are under a sentence of death in Afghanistan after the ruling Islamic
militia ordered their destruction Monday.
The Taliban militia, who have already fired mortars at two ancient
Buddha statues in central Bamiyan province, have now decided to finish
them off.
The massive Buddhas, carved into a sandstone cliff near the provincial
capital Bamiyan, stand 50 meters (165 feet) and 34.5 meters tall and
date back to the second century AD.
Before their faces were lost to the elements and Taliban vandalism,
they wore the same serene smiles of the much later Buddhas in the far
East, but their classical features and Hellenistic Greek robes
represented their unique place not just in the history of Afghanistan,
but of the world in general.
Previously protected by hordes of pilgrims and monks who lived in
nearby caves, the statues are now only visited by children who climb
all over them.
When they were built, Afghanistan was one of the most cosmopolitan
regions in the world, a melting pot of merchants, travellers and
artists from China and India, central Asia and the Roman Empire.
Now, under the Taliban, it is a place where few travellers dare to
visit, where ethnic minorities live in fear of persecution or take up
arms to defend themsleves, and where anything "un-Islamic" is
forbidden or denied.
Bamiyan was still a Buddhist land in the mid-800s. Islam was not fully
established there until the 11th century, but either way, the
Taliban's zealous project of re-creating a Mohammadean world of
pure-Islam now has no room for history.
They have banned photographs of living creatures, television and
music. Men are forced to grow long beards like the Prophet, and women
are barred from most work and official education.
The militia's supreme leader, Mulla Mohammad Omar, a veteran of the
1979-89 Soviet war and an Islamic student (Talib) who shuns most
contact with the outside world, has now ordered all statues in
Afghanistan to be destroyed.
His edict was broadcast on Taliban radio as a visiting group of
Western diplomats visited Kabul to check reports of official vandalism
of ancient relics in the national museum.
Mortars were fired at the small Buddha's groin in 1998 and a year
later burning tyres were placed on the chin of the larger figure,
causing a long smoke stain.
Now the silent guardians of Afghanistan's pre-Islamic history are
again in the Taliban's sights.
KABUL (Reuters) - Afghanistan's ruling Taliban Islamic movement Monday
ordered all statues in the war-ravaged country to be smashed, putting
a question mark over the fate of ancient and world-renowned Buddhist
monuments.
The Taliban's Voice of Shariat radio quoted a demolition order issued
by the radical movement's supreme leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, to the
Ministries for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, and of
Information and Culture.
It said the order was based on a "fatwa" religious decree issued by
Afghanistan's "ulema" Islamic scholars and approved by the Supreme
Court.
"All statues remaining in various parts of the country must be
broken...because they represent gods of infidels," the radio quoted
Omar's order as saying. It said the statues should not become objects
of worship in the future.
Afghanistan's best-known archeological site, two giant Buddhas hewn
from cliffs at the central town of Bamiyan, date from the centuries of
Buddhist rule before the arrival of Islam in the ninth century. The
tallest is 53 yards high.
Bamiyan was recaptured by Taliban forces earlier this month after
fierce fighting with an opposition alliance.
Archeologists have expressed concern over the fate of the statues
since the Taliban gained power in 1996. The head of one of the Buddhas
was blown off around the time the Taliban first took Bamiyan in 1998.
Mo
And I am an old-fashioned Indian because that is where it all comes
from. See our temples or read Tukaram. We were never ashamed of our
bodily parts, as we were never scared of our gods -- we call our gods
tu, we talk to our gods (as an equal). And their objection was -- the
Hindus said it was an anti-Hindu book, Christians said it was an
anti-Christian book. So where does one stand?
Sydney Assbasket
Muslim cut you off in traffic or something? What the hell's wrong with you?
________________________________________________________________
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I'm trying to quit chewing gum so I started smoking.
"Gay" is not a synonym for "bad."
Remove "bination" to reply.
Mo
, will probably signify the end of Islam . Imagine the anger in China
, Japan , SE Asia , even Indonesia where the people are proud of their
Hindu/Buddhist heritage .
The fact that Pakistan which supports the Taliban and could end
this cruel regime by cutting off oil supplies tomorrow if it wanted to
, is silent and doing nothing to protect these monuments and the rest
of Islamistan is saying nothing is proof that all Muslims approve of
what is going on , as the Talib are just following Quranic orders
-'wage war till idol worshipping is no more ' and the next order from
non existent Allah to be obeyed 'slay the idolworshippers wherever you
find them' is due soon , means that the world will no longer tolerant
this kind of intolerant gone mad monotheism..
Zafar Khan
understanding of Islam is as warped as Ms Mo's understanding of Islam. Both
are caricatures of Islam's teachings.
The only difference is that Mo yaks on newsgroups, while these armed and
dangerous men are out there in force in the countryside wreaking havoc on
Afghanistan.
Very sad indeed...
Zafar
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Mo
due to the fact that Muslims are now majority by birth in India . The
Taliban are not following Saudis , but have been trained in Pakistani
religious schools by hardline Deobandi Mullahs from Uttar Pradesh in
India , and more millions are undergoing that training in India.
Today they destroy priceless ancient statues , following the orders
of non existent Allah 'wage war till idol worshipping is no more'.
Tomorrow they will follow the other verse 9/5 -to slay idol
worshippers ( Hindus) wherever you find them , and Indian soldiers
have been brutally mutilated and killed in Kargil .
So the Hindus need to say to middle class Muslim , we like you as
friends but we are not going to let the poor Muslims proliferate and
outbreed us and impose cruel Islamic laws on us , so we are going to..
1.Disenfranchise immediately those with four or more children , Some
Hindus and many Muslim will lose the right to vote but it will free
the lawmakers from pandering to the high breeders . In an
india-today.com poll 90% of people wanted strict population control.
Unfortunately V is too soft to make a decision like that .
Look at China , even with a one child policy for 20 years , its
population has gone from 800m to 1200m , so even with a two child
policy India will jump from 1000m to 1700m ie more than the present
population of North America , South America , Europe , Africa and
Middle East combined ! in an area about one third that of USA.
Total insanity .
Once that is done , the next step would be compulsory sterilization
after the third child..
Mo
Taliban decree may punch gaps in Indian history
By Maneesh Pandey
NEW DELHI: The decree issued Monday by the supreme leader of
Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia, Mulla Mohammad Omar, ordering
the destruction of all statues in the country, which the Taliban view
as un-Islamic, has shocked conservationists worldwide.
Afghanistan was a centre of learning and trade **before Islamic
conquerors invaded it**. In terms of heritage, it is famous for two
massive Buddha statues (58 metres and 38 metres) in the central
province of Bamiyan. They are believed to be among the tallest
``standing Buddhas'' in the world. Besides, the region is home to six
bilingual Ashokan rock edicts, Buddhist viharas, stupas and remains of
the Kushana period. But all these will cease to exist, if the Taliban
goes ahead with its plans. The decree would leave nothing, but only
debris of a bygone era, feel experts.
For India, the region is of great significance as it till date houses
some of the finest specimens of Indian civilisation and culture, says
R Sengupta, ex-director of conservation, Archaeological Survey of
India (ASI). Sengupta headed the Indian Archaeological Mission to
Afghanistan in the late '60s. ``Time and again India has helped its
historical neighbour with expertise in restoration of the latter's
heritage in pre-Taliban days and had earned wide appreciation too,''
says Sengupta who spent nine years (from 1969-77) in Afghanistan as
part of the Indo-Afghan restoration project. There are several sites,
he says, ``which are of special interest to India. Notable among them:
Bamiyan, Ningrahar (modern name Hadda), Jalalabad and Kapisa (modern
name (Begram).''
Bamiyan, situated 250 km north-west from Kabul, nestled between the
mountain ranges of the Hindukush and Koh-i-Baba at 2,850 metres, was
on the famous ``Silk Route'' that connected Western Asia with the
sub-continent. ``Being a convenient halting place for trading
caravans, and monastic establishments and Buddhist images spread all
around, it soon turned out to be a major Buddhist centre of meditation
and worship and continued to be so until Chengis Khan's invasion in
13th century,'' says Sengupta.
Jalalabad, bordering Pakistan and now a strategic battlefield of the
Taliban and the opposition Northern Alliance, was once a famous
Buddhist pilgrimage site. Similarly, Hadda (ancient name Ningrahar)
was famous for its stupas, viharas and Buddhist sacred objects. The
place is mentioned in the vivid accounts of Chinese traveller
Hiuen-Tsang. Another important site was Begram (ancient name Kapisa).
Once the summer capital of Kushanas, thousands of objects of ivory and
coins belonging to the Kushana period have been unearthed from the
site.
The Kabul Museum, which was once adorned with smaller Buddhist
figures, priceless statues, records and artefacts and was a much
sought-after centre for research among archaeologists, is reportedly
non-existent today.
The UNESCO office in New Delhi was quick to reactto the Taliban
decree. The world body has appealed for the preservation of the
region's unique cultural heritage, which reflects a history marked by
the complex influences of Persia, Greece, Hinduism, Buddhism and
Islam. It said, in a statement, the centuries-old heritage has
increasingly suffered from the conflicts and disasters that have
plagued the country in recent times. The planned destruction would rob
Afghans of their cultural identity further, it stated.
Niraj Agarwalla
What the Taliban are committing by ordering the destruction of all
statues is tantamount to cultural and historical genocide.
Niraj Agarwalla -=-=- ni...@shore.net
Mo
this cultural vandalism ? Why are Muslim countries silent ? Will they
stay silent when Hindus are killed accroding to verse 9/5?..
Mo
upset ? The Kabbah and the black stone there which Muslims kiss with
such reverence are also only stones . How would the Muslims feel if
they were blown up ? They should start to have some empathy for the
feelings of people of other faiths..
Mo
Kabul defends plan to break statues
KABUL, Feb 27: A day after ordering the destruction of ancient
Buddhist statues, the Taliban militia chief on Tuesday shrugged off
international condemnation, saying "all we are breaking are stones".
Mulla Mohammad Omar informed the Afghan Islamic Press (AIP) that he
had issued his order to destroy all statues in Afghanistan, including
those from its pre-Islamic past, in line with "Islamic" beliefs.
"According to Islam, I don't worry about anything. My job is the
implementation of Islamic order," he said from the militia's
stronghold in Kandahar.
"The breaking of statues is an Islamic order and I have given this
decision in the light of a fatwa of the ulema and the supreme court of
Afghanistan. Islamic law is the only law acceptable to me."
The order, announced on Monday on the Taliban radio, was met with
shock from Tokyo to Paris, where UNESCO demanded the Taliban "halt the
destruction of (Afghanistan's) cultural heritage".
The Taliban's Radio Shariat said the ministry of information and
culture and the religious police would carry out the destruction.
"Only Allah, the Almighty, deserves to be worshipped, not anyone or
anything else," Mulla Omar's decree said.
Afghanistan is famous for its two massive and ancient Buddha statues
in the central province of Bamiyan, dating back to the second century.
Carved into sandstone cliffs and standing 50 metres and 34.5 metres
tall, they are among the tallest standing Buddhas in the world.
In Tokyo, Hokkaido University's professor emeritus of Buddhism,
Kotatsu Fujita, said: "I cannot believe the Taliban will destroy the
big Buddhas."
"Even though the statues are in Afghanistan, they are really world
heritage sites now. I strongly doubt the Taliban's understandings of
cultural heritage."
All Japan Buddhist Association secretary general Kijo Nishimura said
the destruction "must be avoided as much as possible under any
circumstances".
"Once you destroy something, you can never get it back. We have an
important responsibility to leave these statues to our descendants ...
," he said.
Omar said Afghan history was secondary to the history of Islam.
"Whoever thinks this is harmful to the history of Afghanistan then I
tell them they must first see the history if Islam," Omar told the
AIP.
"Some people believe in these statues and pray to them ... If people
say these are not our beliefs but only part of the history of
Afghanistan, then all we are breaking are stones."
In deeply Buddhist Thailand, a foreign ministry spokesman said the
loss of the Bamiyan Buddhas would be a loss to humanity. "It is their
loss. I hope they could rethink their decision. It's a loss to
humanity," he said..-AFP
Mo
Worst literacy rate in the world . Begging the IMF for renewal of
funds every two months . Destruction of cultural heritage..
dawn.com
'Two-nation theory still relevant'
By Our Reporter
LAHORE, Feb 27: Former Federal Minister and
Tehrik-i-Takmeel-i-Pakistan chairman Mahmud Ali has said that the
two-nation theory has not become irrelevant after Pakistan came into
being.
He was speaking at the foundation day ceremony of the tehrik at
Aiwan-i-Karkunan-i-Tehrik-i-Pakistan here on Tuesday.
Severely criticizing the view that the two-nation theory had become
irrelevant after the establishment of Pakistan, he said that the
theory was the very basis and foundation of Pakistan.
"How can it become irrelevant as long as there is Islam in the world,"
he asked. He said the people who were attacking the theory had, in
fact , not properly understood the very genesis and the spirit of
Islam.
He said that Islam was not merely a religion but a code of the best
humanity in the world. Its followers were supposed to be the best
human beings in the world. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had
declared in his famous last sermon that the main purpose of Islam was
to put an end to exploitation of man by man. Since 'Riba' was the
worst form of exploitation the Holy Quran had declared it haram and
forbidden the Muslims to deal in it.
Mahmud Ali said that Pakistan had become the victim of the
exploitation of Riba by the World Bank and the IMF which had burdened
it with their loans and heavy interest on them to the tune of $38
billion so far.
He said that experts had disclosed at a seminar that Pakistan had
already paid as much as $32 billion in interest to the world agencies
during the past 50 years. If it was so, why were they demanding $38
billion now, he asked.
"Since bank interest is forbidden in Islam, Pakistan should stop
paying the interest to the World Bank and the IMF as it has already
paid the principal amount of the loans," he argued.
He said that the economic experts were unanimous in their view that
Pakistan could pull on without the IMF loans. But for this purpose the
entire nation of 130 million people would have to work hard.
Pakistan was not a small country. It was the only Muslim country
possessing nuclear bomb. But the tragedy was that the people had
developed a sense of inferiority complex from the Western countries
which consider them as beasts of burden.
"We being Muslims are the superior human beings to any nation in the
world," he asserted and said that the tehrik's main task was to
inculcate this spirit among the people. He said that the maximum
number of people should be made the members of the tehrik. At least
five per cent of the Lahore population should be enrolled as its
members.
He said that tehrik conference would be held at the Hamdard Centre in
Lahore, on April 24 and 25 and another meeting on the death
anniversary of Sher-i-Bengal Maulvi Fazlul Haq on April 28 at Alhamra.
Mo
Fate of relics
TWO conflicting reports have appeared in the press about the fate of
pre-Islamic statues carved out of stone and cast in stucco in the
areas controlled by Taliban across Afghanistan. According to one
report, the ancient relics, including the giant Buddha statues, dating
back to the Gandhara and its fore-running Buddhist civilization, have
been ordered to be destroyed. However, the other report, emanating
from Afghanistan's cultural ministry refutes this by saying that Mulla
Mohammad Omar has clearly decreed these relics to be saved from the
wrath of some zealous Taliban commanders who might want to destroy
them believing them to be objects of idolatrous practices.
The relics in question comprise hundreds, possibly thousands, of
statues dating between 300BC and AD900. These are a precious cultural
treasure, covering a 1200-year period of history and civilization,
that can easily rival its counterpart unearthed in areas comprising
north-western Pakistan by Sir John Marshall back in the late 1920s.
This makes the treasure a valuable historical heritage not only of
Afghanistan, but of mankind as a whole. In today's context, to equate
them with idolatry or to regard them as being offensive to the tenets
of faith is to labour the point.
Indeed, any impulse to destroy them for that reason can only be based
on a mistaken notion of their import and significance in the
contemporary context. They are no longer objects of idolatry because
these statues are not used for that purpose anymore. They only
symbolize the rich historical art and civilization that this area once
had. As such, they deserved to be preserved as part of history and not
defaced or destroyed.
Mo
Buddhists left in Afghanistan , he is going to destroy these
magnificient statues so that noboy in *future* will worship them .
They are just obeying the Quranic laws , one of which will in future
be 9/5 slay the idol worshippers..
Mo
9/5-slay the idol worshippers and spare them , should think of why not
ONE Islamic country has called on these stupid barbarians to save
these priceless statues .
They could easily have sold them if they wernt driven by hate..
Taliban begin destroying Buddha Statues
(Updated at 1515 PST)
KABUL: Afghanistan's ruling Taliban authorities said on Thursday that
they have started destroying all statues in the country, including the
world's tallest standing Buddha statue in Bamiyan province.
Shalom
Anyone who has access to verse 9/5 can read it, and it will once and for all
prove that Mo's a fake looking for attention!
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Mo
copy of the Quran or one of the online sites ?..
Nawaz
> this cultural vandalism ?
The same way as Hindus marched, outraged, through the streets of
India at the destruction of Babri Masjid?
Mo
>The same way as Hindus marched, outraged, through the streets of
India at the destruction of Babri Masjid?<
How can you compare a decrepit unused mosque , one of tens of
thousands in India , with the world's largest statue . Muslims have
now come out in favour of this destruction , showing that at heart
they approve of this cultural vandalism and want all humans to live in
misery and wait for the heaven with wine , big boobed women and fair
skinned young boys to serve the wine that Allah has promised in the
Quran..
78/31 BIG BOOBED MAIDENS FOR COMPANIONS A TRULY
OVERFLOWING CUP in heaven !
52/22 fruits we shall give them-muslims in heaven, and such meats as
they desire, pass from hand to hand a cup of wine inspiring no idle
talk, wait on them young boys as fair as virgin
pearls-gay?
22/23 Muslims shall be decked with pearls and bracelets of gold
and arrayed in garments of silk in heaven
39/75 angels circling the throne of god to be seen by those
in heaven
47/15 rivers of wine , milk and honey in heaven
Support for the Taleban campaign to destroy the Buddhist statues has
come from a senior figure in the Chechen rebel movement - Yusuf
Ibrahim, an influential editor at the Kavkaz-Tsentr news agency.
The following are excerpts from his Kavkaz-Tsentr article on Saturday
3 March:
The heathen world is upset.
The so-called world community, which is personified by the
Judeo-Christian heathen alliance, has kicked up a real fuss over the
decision by the leadership of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan to
destroy stone idols in its country.
The world hypocritically laments for the stone idols and blesses the
Kremlin crusade against the Muslims of Chechnya
Yusuf Ibrahim
Numerous international organisations and entire states have launched
an unprecedented hullabaloo in the news and are accusing the Afghans
of vandalism...
So, the heathen alliance considers the actions of Muslims who are
carrying out an elementary prescription of the shari'ah as "hostility
towards values common to all mankind".
The Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him), whose first action was to
destroy idols and idolatry, is also a "vandal" and an "enemy" in the
eyes of the heathens...
Without shame or remorse over its own shamelesness, the world
community is hypocritically lamenting the stone idols and
simultaneously giving its blessing to the Kremlin gangs' crusade
against the Muslims of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria...
Human rights
Neither hundreds of corpses nor concentration camps nor the Satanic
mayhem of the Russian occupiers have had any impact on the "opinion"
of the so-called human rights commissioner of the Council of Europe,
Alvaro Gil-Robles who, after his ignoble and cowardly statements, can
be taken for nothing other than an enemy.
The international outcry over the fate of the stone statues and the
joyous silence over the mass killings of Muslims in Chechnya,
Palestine, Kashmir, the Philippines and other countries once again
demonstrate the true essence of Kufr (lack of faith).
Those Muslims who are still being deceived regarding the so-called
world community must finally understand that there will be no peace,
security and justice, while violence and true obscurantism prevail on
the face of the Earth, as long as our entire religion and law fail to
belong to our Creator, the Lord of the Worlds, the Great God (the Most
High) who is the only One who sets laws and the only One worthy of
worship.
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translates information from radio, television, press, news agencies
and the Internet from 150 countries in more than 70 languages.
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Nawaz
> "Nawaz" <nawa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The same way as Hindus marched, outraged, through the streets of
> India at the destruction of Babri Masjid?<
>
> How can you compare a decrepit unused mosque , one of tens of
> thousands in India , with the world's largest statue .
I'm glad you pointed that out; I',m led to believe that this "largest
statue" was unused as well.
> Muslims have
> now come out in favour of this destruction , showing that at heart
> they approve of this cultural vandalism
Not so, we just are a bit more practical - what's the point of having
an ugly statue staring at you all the time, not only ugly but taking up
so much (desirable) real estate?
Mo
up ?. After what the Muslims have done to Lord Buddha's statues
according to Quranic verses , dont be surprised if even the western
world cheers..
"Nawaz" <nawa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
QA, MAJ.. The CyberQuaid
> "Nawaz" <nawa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The same way as Hindus marched, outraged, through the streets of
> India at the destruction of Babri Masjid?<
>
> How can you compare a decrepit unused mosque , one of tens of
> thousands in India
First lock a mosque and let no one enter. Then after 40 years claim that it
is unused.
What a hypocrisy!!>
--
QA, MAJ.. The CyberQuaid
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Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer
still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited
with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three.
Nawaz
> up ?. After what the Muslims have done to Lord Buddha's statues
> according to Quranic verses , dont be surprised if even the western
> world cheers..
I think you'll find we went through the desctruction of an Islamic
holy site not so long ago - Babri Mosque. The sad part was that it
didn't take place in the middle of a war zone, it took place in the
LARGEST DEMOCRACY in the world...I ask you, Mo, how
democratic was that act?
Even to this day, not many Hindus (and other non-Muslims) came
out speaking against it...
>
> "Nawaz" <nawa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Mo
up these red herrings .
The three mosques at Ayodhya , Kashi and Mathura are built on the
HOLIEST OF HOLY HINDU TEMPLES after Babar destroyed them . They must
either be sold back to the Hindus or be demolished . The Lord Buddha
statues were not built on holy Islamic sites and to destroy them is
vandalism which Islam has been famous for throughout history and for
which it will soon get banned in the world . I have been surprised at
the amount of anger even amongst Xtian whites I meet at this Islamic
barbarism. One teenage white girl even said all Muslims should be
blown up ! and I am not making it up . Muslims need to realize the
anger they are creating against themselves by preaching all these
intolerant verses..
Nawaz
> I am soon going to start swearing at you because you keep bringing
> up these red herrings .
Is that what you call pertinent observations?
(btw, feel free to swear - that normally indicates lack of debating
power)
> The three mosques at Ayodhya , Kashi and Mathura are built on the
> HOLIEST OF HOLY HINDU TEMPLES after Babar destroyed them .
Not relevant at all - being built on holy hindu sites does NOT justify
destroying those "treasures"; What is achieved by destroying them?
Does their destruction bring back those temples?! No. All it achieves
is the world losing yet another of it's treasures - you don't miss it,
but generations to come will be denied the 'pleasure'...and all for
what - just to satisfy the revenge of several thousand bloodthirsty
Hindus?
As a direct result of the desctruction of Babri Masjid, several
thousand people were killed...I find that more desturbing than
the original act itself. In the case of these statues, that is exactly
what is being advocated by the so called civilised people in
retaliation of any act that the Taleban commit.
> They must
> either be sold back to the Hindus or be demolished .
No they must not; They are the world's heritage and should
be left as they are - Even Babri Mosque should be re-built,
preferably with the very same stones that it once had.
> The Lord Buddha
> statues were not built on holy Islamic sites and to destroy them is
> vandalism which Islam has been famous for throughout history and for
> which it will soon get banned in the world .
Double standards.
> I have been surprised at
> the amount of anger even amongst Xtian whites I meet at this Islamic
> barbarism. One teenage white girl even said all Muslims should be
> blown up ! and I am not making it up .
I believe you - that is exaclty why I am in favour of blowing up these
statues - look how little value is placed on the life of human beings,
and yet when it comes to a few peices of stone, the world is up in
arms.
(I read some of the readers comments on the BBC website yesterday,
one guy even applauded the UN sanctions on Afganistan - stating that
that is what they deserve is such acts are carried out on these stone
carvings; How can a civilised human being state such a thing - how
can they place more importance on these statues than they do on
the lives of millions of people?! (no need to state what group of
people this person belonged to))
Mo
humankind's priceless treasures..
Taliban rejects Iran's offer to buy statues
Islamabad, March 4 (DPA): Taliban Foreign Minister Wakil Ahmad
Mutawakil today rejected an Iranian offer to take Afghanistan's
historic Buddha statues into safe-keeping.
The rejection overshadowed a visit by UNESCO envoy Pierre Lafrance,
who left Islamabad for Afghanistan today on a mission to save the
statues from destruction by the Taliban.
A senior official of the Iranian Foreign Ministry made the offer to
Mutawakil by phone this morning, the Afghan Foreign Minister told the
Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press (AIP) agency.
Mutawakil rejected both Iran's offer to buy the statues from
Afghanistan or remove them to Iran for safe-keeping, saying both
options were in conflict with Islamic teaching.
``We accept it is our duty to protect archaeological heritage,''
Mutawakil said, ``but Islam is against keeping statues. Hence the
order to destroy them.''
He continued: ``the question of removing them would have arisen if we
did not have museums. As for buying the statues, Islam teaches that
one should not wish on another Muslim something that you would not
wish on yourself - and both our countries are Muslim.''
While Lafrance was meeting in Islamabad with a diplomatic
representative of the regime yesterday, Taliban Minister in charge of
culture vowed that the destruction of the statues would continue.
Mo
>Not relevant at all - being built on holy hindu sites does NOT justify
destroying those "treasures"; <
Just like Kabah is the holiest of holies to the Muslims , so these
sites , birthplaces of Rama , Krishna and Shiva are the holiest of
holies to Hindus , so either Hindus can buy them or if the Muslims
refuse to sell , they will be taken over . No compromise on this ..
Mo
>I believe you - that is exaclty why I am in favour of blowing up these
statues - look how little value is placed on the life of human beings,
and yet when it comes to a few peices of stone, the world is up in
arms.<
a life of a human got to do with the world's biggest statue . Why
destroy it ? Does it save a single human life . In fact I predict that
even the peaceful Buddhists have had enough and may take revenge
against Muslims in Sri Lanka , Nepal , India and other places .
Muslims dont know what they have unleashed with this stupid act of
terrorism.
As for Babri mosque , Pakistan was made for Muslims and they drove
the Hindus out , and its time Muslims in India went to their homeland
if they dont want to live in peace with Hindus and give them or sell
them their holiest sites back..
Mo
They were faceless but even more powerful: I was awestruck
By Julian West, New Delhi Correspondent
ON a brilliant winter's day three years ago, I flew into
Afghanistan's Bamiyan Valley in a cargo plane. From high above the
snowy Hindu Kush, I could see the colossal statues of Buddha, which
the radical Taliban movement is now destroying, dominating the area.
It was only as we landed, though, that their awesome size became truly
apparent.
Many years before, I had visited Bamiyan in winter as a student. The
lovely valley was sealed by snow and ice and totally silent. On its
northern edge rose a sandstone cliff, pockmarked with caves. There,
set under a cerulean sky and dwarfing the village beneath them,
towered the world's two largest standing Buddha statues, 180ft and
125ft high. A slightly smaller, seated image was carved into the
cliff, further along.
The Buddhas have stood at the spot for something like 1,700 years.
They were carved during the Buddhist dynasty of the Kushan king,
Kanishka, which flourished on the old Silk Route between China and the
Mediterranean. In their heyday, they were known as one of the wonders
of the world: robed in brilliant red and blue cloaks, their faces and
hands glittering with gilt, their heads adorned with jewelled
ornaments. Pilgrims came from afar to see them and visit the
yellow-robed monks who lived in the exquisitely frescoed monastic
complex carved in the cliff.
They have survived the ebbs and flows of empires and conquest,
protected by their mountain fastness. Islam converted most of
Afghanistan not long after they were carved, but the statues suffered
little. Zealots hacked off their faces, but, if anything, such acts of
religious vandalism rendered the faceless images even more powerful
and god-like. I, like every visitor to Bamiyan, was awestruck.
By the time I first arrived at Bamiyan, the original decorations had
long gone, victim of centuries of biting winters, baking summers and
human neglect. Many of the frescos were faded or broken. The lovely
draperies remained, though, as a unique example of Gandhara style, the
fusion of Greek and Asian art which flourished in Afghanistan and
north-west India in the second to fifth centuries after Christ.
A steep narrow staircase, which more recently had partly crumbled,
climbed up through the rock and into a chamber leading out on to the
larger Buddha's head, itself the size of a small room. From there, I
gazed out over the wheat fields and orchards of the valley and the
tiny figures of herdsmen on donkeys riding by the river far below.
Afghanistan's many troubles seemed to melt away. It was a scene of
paradisiacal serenity.
More recently, I found that many of the Buddhas' draperies had been
damaged by the intervening years. The caves ringing the larger
Buddha's feet were being used as ammunition dumps. Still, the images
retained their immense power and beauty. Last week, though, it seemed
that the death knell had been sounded for them.
Taliban soldiers are said to have begun firing at the Buddhas with
rockets and tanks. On Friday a Taliban team, armed with enough
dynamite to blow up most of the cliff face in which the statues stand,
had begun crossing the snowbound passes north of the capital. The
fundamentalist Taliban, which controls most of Afghanistan, has ruled
that all statues must be destroyed because they are un-Islamic. While
countries across the world have expressed horror, to many Afghans the
destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas symbolises their impotence and the
loss of everything they hold dear: their music, art, history - their
culture and their joy.
Last week, an Afghan who works for an aid agency said: "In 20 years of
war I haven't cried. But when I heard this news, I cried." In Rome,
Afghanistan's exiled king, Zahir Shah, who personally supervised many
of the country's first archaeological digs and who has spent the past
week striving to save the Buddhas and other threatened antiquities,
said he was "shocked and saddened". "You can rebuild a town, you can
rebuild roads, but you can never rebuild these statues," he said.
As the Taliban embarked on one of the world's most terrible acts of
vandalism yesterday, a special representative of Unesco arrived in
Pakistan in a last-minute attempt to stop the mass destruction. I
remember how on my last visit to the Buddhas, my companions and I
posed for photographs. In the picture, we reach as far as the larger
Buddha's ankle. It is, in many ways, a humbling image.
3 March 2001: Taliban tanks and artillery fire on Buddhas
2 March 2001: Devastation of Afghan Buddha statues begins
25 February 2001: Letter from Herat
20 February 2001: Taliban massacre confirmed
7 February 2001: Taliban fighters 'massacre 300 Shia Muslims'
Mo
http://www.timesofindia.com/today/pagehome.htm
Any one who destroys these works of art or like Nawaz who amkes
excuses for the barbarians is not human but worse than a pig..
Mo
want that and are out to destroy all of humankinds precious work over
the last 10,000 years of civilization should live under cruel Islamic
laws of amputating hands and stoning women to death can live in their
own countries..
The Mongol conqueror Genghis Khan ordered a cannon attack. "One of the
Buddhas suffered a broken right leg below the knee and took a shot to
the left leg up to the thigh," Sengupta said.
In the 17th century, the Moghul emperor Aurangzeb ordered an attack on
the Buddhas. Russian soldiers carved their names in the statues after
the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which began in 1979.
In 1998, according to Ahmed Rashid, an author and an expert on the
Taliban, just after occupying Bamiyan, they blew the face off the
smaller Buddha with dynamite and fired rockets into its groin.
"The Buddhas have lived through great damage and still survived," said
Sengupta. "Some things can be restored. But if they are brought down
in chunks and then ground into bits, what will be there left to do?"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nawaz
You're too late - those places are now Mosques, historical ones
at that; They are here to stay - they now belong to the world, and
Hindus can't just destroy the treasures of the world citing connections
fictional characters.
Nawaz
> >I believe you - that is exaclty why I am in favour of blowing up these
> statues - look how little value is placed on the life of human beings,
> and yet when it comes to a few peices of stone, the world is up in
> arms.<
>
> Muslims are world champions comparing apples with pranges . What has
> a life of a human got to do with the world's biggest statue .
You're the one that gave the example:
"One teenage white girl even said all Muslims should be
blown up !"
You used that to back up your claims that the world was outraged
with what is happening in Afghanistan. That makes my comments
all the more relevant.
> Why
> destroy it ? Does it save a single human life .
Will it take a single life? Destruction of Babri did; Several thousand
in fact.
> In fact I predict that
> even the peaceful Buddhists have had enough and may take revenge
> against Muslims in Sri Lanka , Nepal , India and other places .
> Muslims dont know what they have unleashed with this stupid act of
> terrorism.
I wouldn't define it as terrorism - noone is being terrorised by this act,
it will take place in controlled environment, unlike the demolition that
took place in Ayodhya - in that incident several thousand raving lunatics,
armed to the teeth marched towards the Mosque
Nawaz
If the "Nawaz" you refer to above is me, then to set the record straight,
I am not, I repeat NOT, making excuses for the Taleban; On the
contrary, I think if the Afghans want to destroy THEIR historical
buildings and statues, then as long as they don't KILL anyone
in the process, they are entitled to do it...they are only reclaiming
real estate that could be used for better purposes.
Mo
brought down all the time , even in Pakistan some have been demolished
to make way for malls . There is no reason why they cant be shifted .
Hindus will pay for it . But the Hindus must have the ground
underneath to build their temples at their holiest of holies..
Mo
the 500,000 mosques in India and expel the 200m Muslims to Pakistan in
controlled peaceful enviornments ! See where your crazy fanatical
logic to justify this stupid act of terrorism takes you ?..
Mo
are only doing what is ordered in the Quran 'wage war till
idolworshipping is no more' ie even in future and what Muslims have
done throughout their glorious history..
timesofindia.com
'Taliban misunderstood Islamic sayings on heritage'
By Maneesh Pandey
NEW DELHI: History repeats itself. The tradition of but shikani (idol
or statue breaking) started by Arab marauders, in their quest to rule
the Indian subcontinent, is well documented. This was done on the plea
that idol or religious object worshipping was un-Islamic. What
followed was cultural mayhem - destruction of famous temples and loot
of their wealth.
After almost 1,000 years this intolerance has resurfaced. Only the
actors have changed. It was the Ghaznis, Ghoris or Khaljis yesterday;
today it is the Taliban militia in Afghanistan.
They have justified the destruction of all statues of the Buddha in
Afghanistan by claiming that the `heritage under fire is un-Islamic'.
But experts in Islamic studies cast doubt on the Taliban's
understanding of Islamic sayings on heritage. Montgomerry Watt's
Muhammed at Mecca and Robinson's Muhammed which talk about Islamic
ideology in detail show that Islam was, in fact, very conscious of
heritage.
There is a clear demarcation between living and dead monuments. Islam
is only against places where worshipping continues and not against a
deserted monument. This was what even Mahmud of Ghazni believed and
this tolerance continued till Aurangzeb, points out Satish Chandra, a
historian and an expert on the Islamic period.
He says: ``Their justification that it's un-Islamic and against the
Sh'ariat is itself contradictory and wrong. Even Ghazni ruled that the
old or dead monuments were not to be destroyed, except in war if they
were becoming an obstacle.''
A clearer picture emerges from the Benaras farman of Aurangzeb (now at
the National Library, Kolkata). At the outset of his reign, Aurangzeb
reiterated the Sh'ariat position on temples, synagogues, churches,
etc, that ``long standing temples should not be demolished. But no new
temples (are) to be built.'' It further says: ``Old places of worship
could even be repaired since buildings cannot last forever.'' This
position of Aurangzeb, known to be a strict Islamist himself, is
clearly spelt out in a number of farmans issued to the Brahmins of
Benaras and Vrindavan, said Chandra.
He added: ``Mughal period references don't highlight any such
destruction of dead monuments. Even Aurangzeb ordered firing of cannon
shots at the Bamiyan Buddhas, but he didn't destroy them.''
Other references too highlight the same philosophy. ``Sikander Lodhi
(15th century) tried to destroy some old monuments at Kurukshetra. The
Afghan ruler was persuaded not to do so by the Ulemas, saying they had
been there for long. And he accepted the Ulemas' ruling,'' said
Chandra.
The destruction has clearly embarrassed the Islamic world. The
Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the highest platform of the
Muslim world, urged the Taliban on Saturday to abandon its decision to
destroy the country's pre-Islamic statues.
The common reaction was ``ravaged cities can be rebuilt, not
heritage.'' OIC stated: ``Historical relics, regardless of where they
are located, are part of the cultural heritage of the whole of
humanity, and they must be preserved.''
Mo
Agencies
(Kabul, March 4)
WHAT CHANGEZ Khan and his band of marauders couldn't do with mortar in
the 13th century, the Taliban managed using new-age technology in the
21st century. According to the first eyewitness account from the area
on Sunday, anti-aircraft weapons were used to bring down the Bamiyan
Buddhas.
"I could see the Taliban soldiers firing anti-aircraft weapons at the
two statues. That was three days ago," said Safdar Ali, a resident.
The news of the destruction was confirmed by the Taliban while ruling
out any hope of the preservation of the statues ahead of talks with UN
special envoy Pierre Lafrance who arrived in Kandahar on Sunday and
began meetings with officials, including the Foreign Minister Wakil
Ahmad Muttawakil.
Dismissing any possibility of dialogue on the issue, the Foreign
Minister said, "The edict (of Taliban's supreme leader Mulla Mohammad
Omar) will be implemented inshallah (God willing)… we would like to
tell the Unesco envoy that what we are doing is an internal issue and
we do not want to confront the world."
Meanwhile, other statues throughout the country were also being
demolished with rockets, tanks and explosives, ridding the nation of
the reminders of its pre-Islamic past. Residents of central Bamiyan,
where the two ancient statues of Buddha hewn from a cliff face in the
third and fifth centuries are located, said Taliban soldiers began
attacking the statues at least three days earlier.
Minister of Information and Culture Mawlawi Qudratullah Jamal said
while action against the statues had nothing to do with the regime's
craving for international recognition, the UN would have more
influence in Kandahar if it did not recognise the ousted government.
However, Lafrance said yesterday that there was still a "faint glimpse
of hope" that the some statues could be saved. In this regard, he
cited conflicting reports from the Taliban officials about the extent
of destruction.
Elsewhere, Buddhism's most prominent leader, the Dalai Lama, said he
was "deeply concerned" about the Taliban's attempts to erase
Afghanistan's pre-Islamic history.
Mo
excerpt
http://www.afghan-web.com/aop/today.html
Reports make it clear an organized campaign is now in progress to
destroy, to pulverize, every surviving artifact of pre-Islamic
civilization in the nine-tenths of the country under Taliban control.
This begins with an intention to obliterate the two "signature pieces"
of the country's ancient heritage, the magnificent giant standing
Buddhas carved into the stone cliffs, facing across the valley of
Bamiyan.
Already in 1998, the Taliban commander who took the valley peppered
the statues with artillery as a kind of jeu d'esprit, completely
smashing the head of the lesser Buddha and breaking up the folds in
the robe. There was pillage through the complex of caves, with the
frescoes systematically vandalized. Refugees were then moved in, with
their wood, charcoal and coal fires to complete the damage.
Known, documented decorative pieces from the caves then began to show
up in the antiques market at Peshawer, across the Pakistan frontier.
Meanwhile the small, and very beautiful, Kakrak Buddha in a subsidiary
valley was being used by Taliban soldiers for target practice. All
this happened under the previous Taliban policy of preserving the
Afghan cultural heritage. Paradoxically, the only thing now protecting
the greater Buddha at Bamiyan is the minefield the Russians planted on
the plateau directly above it. The artillery masters hesitate to fire
shells at the upper part of the 53-metre figure, for fear of
triggering a major landslide in the detonation of that minefield.
Stories like these have emerged from all over the country. Among the
sites of universal cultural significance already known to be totally
or almost totally destroyed, the Gandharan Buddhist monastic complex
at Tepe Shutur ... the large early Sassanid stupa and complex at
Guldara in the Logar Valley ... the last surviving cylindrical diaper
masonry pillar at Minar-i Chakri ... the "museum-site" of Ai Khanum,
one of the fine accomplishments of modern French archeology, in the
north-east province of Takhar. All the known Bactrian and Kushan sites
in the north have been extensively looted to supply the underground
antiquities trade through Tashkent to the Russian mob in Moscow. And
all this was, once again, under the old policy of preservation and
protection.
It was only last July that the Kabul Museum was reopened at Darulaman,
partly restored with a generous UNESCO grant. A big show was made to
the press of a number of pre-Islamic inscriptions and statues. But now
it has been closed again, and the minister of information and culture,
Mullah Qudratullah Jamal, has announced that all Buddhist or Hindu
images will be removed to an unknown location. This is unlikely to be
for their safekeeping.
This last week, the mullah had the honour of officially announcing the
new cultural policy. It is to systematically annihilate all Buddhist
and "idolatrous" statues in the provinces of Kabul, Bamiyan, Herat,
Kandahar, Nangarhar and Ghazni. Now here is the official statement of
support from the office of Afghanistan's supreme dictator, Mullah
Mohammed Omar: "Because God is one God, and these statues are there to
be worshipped and that is wrong, they should be destroyed so that they
are not worshipped now or in the future." Such words! And what a
desecration of the unseen face of that one God, that one Allah, who
speaks to man through all time and all religion and all art. For
imagine what the mullah implies! That no one who lived before the time
of Islam was human. That no one who lives outside the constricting
knot of his tiny and vindictive mind, is human.
Mo
The Buddha Smiles
The Buddha would have been amused at the headlines describing the
destruction of the Bamiyan Buddha statue by the Taliban. The Buddha
cannot be blasted nor can he be bombarded. To mistake the likeness of
the Buddha made by human hands and not to take part in a communion
with the essence of the Buddha is to miss the message of impermanence,
non-spirit and suffering of the Mighty Intellect. The artist who
visualised the Bamiyan Buddha would have first invoked, as per
tradition, the moods of friendliness, compassion, sympathy and
impartiality. He would not be driven by considerations of
self-expression nor ideas of connoisseurship and aestheticism. The
state of mind and the importance of the idea itself was all important.
All these virtues are sadly amiss in the hearts and minds of those who
are breaking ancient monuments in Afghanistan as well as those who
seem to be protesting about such vandalism. In the Divyavadana,
Upagupta asks Mara, who has the power of assuming shapes at will, to
take the likeness of the Buddha. Upagupta bows in reverence to this
figure, which shocks Mara. Upagupta says that he is not worshipping
Mara but the person represented by Mara:"Just as people venerating
earthen images of the undying angels do not revere the clay as such,
but the immortals represented therein." The least that can be said
about the events in Afghanistan is that these are the triumph of the
slave mentality, the main characteristic of which is the spirit of
revenge. The ideal typical slave is incapable of forgetting, unable to
love, admire or respect. Such individuals constantly impute wrong to
others and perpetually blame the whole world for real and imagined
wrongs. They cannot give or create.
David Starr
Mo, thanks.
While I have your attention, what have you to say about Adh starring Jackie
Sharaf. Jai Gandu Maharaj had posted a review of it which gave 1 out of 10.
Dave
Mo
carefully.
- there is no Alllah , we are intelligent creatures , probably the
only ones in the Universe , products of Mother Nature for 4 billion
years
-we have a responsibility to look after the planet and the
achievements of our ancestors and not get sidetracked by a self
proclaimed Prophets claiming unwitnessed revelations
-the Talib following what the Prophet want to destroy all traces of
pre Islamic culture from all over the world . This is not acceptable
and will lead to a nuclear war of annhilation with non Muslims
-human populations must be controlled or the planet's ecosystem will
collapse and all life will die ..
Mo
it from a newspaper without any added comment..
Mo
They want to destroy ALL traces of non Islamic culture -music , movies
, paintings , sculptures , dance , drama , and they are spreading
their influence to India's Muslims .
They must not be allowed to regress human kind to the level of dumb
animals..
Mo
He also said all standing Buddha statues had been razed, but efforts
to blow up the tallest statues in Bamiyan had not begun, and that it
may be “too late as the Buddhas would definitely be destroyed.”
“The demolition process could be delayed because of Id-ul Zuha, but
once a fatwa issued by religious authorities is issued, there is no
withdrawal. No one can oppose a fatwa. All the statues will go,” Mr
Jamal said.
The Gulf News also published a photograph of a lion at the entrance to
Kabul Museum that was damaged by the Taliban a day after the fatwa.
According to Mr Jamal, the preparatory work on the demolition of the
Bamiyan statues started in the early morning of February 27. “But it
may take some time due to its size and the hard rock it was carved out
of,” he was quoted as saying.
On the statues in Kabul Museum, Mr Jamal said all 20 statues on
display had been destroyed. The 20 statues went on display during an
exhibition to mark independence day. “I was responsible for the
protection of all statues and had been charged with collecting all
damaged and stolen statues and restoring them. Now I have destroyed
them,” he said.
The remaining statues in the museum would also be destroyed, he said,
adding that the wooden and rock replicas of living things such as
animals, including those at the museum’s entrance, were defaced a day
after the fatwa.
On the number of damaged statues, he said, “We did not need to count
them as they are of no use to us.”
“All known standing statues in the provinces of Kabul, Jalalabad,
Ghazni, and Bamiyan (except the tallest ones) were destroyed the day
decree was announced,” Mr Jamal was quoted as saying.
On international condemnation over the demolition, Mr Jamal told the
paper that the Taliban government is recognised by three countries —
Pakistan, the UAE and Saudi Arabia — in the world and so far there has
been no official appeal or request from them.” According to him, no
official request has come from Pakistan.
Among the Islamic countries, Iran has slammed the destruction of
statues dating back to Afghanistan’s rich cultural past by the ruling
Taliban militia while Qatar, the current head of Organisation of
Islamic Conference (OIC), also called on Taliban not to destroy the
statues.
(India Abroad News Service)
David Starr
Dave
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Mo
Last night an Iranian-born British art dealer said that his offer to
buy the threatened masterpieces was being considered by the Afghan
Government. Houshang Mahboubian, a collector and dealer of Islamic art
with a gallery on Grosvenor Street, London, said he had offered £3.4
million for the largest of the Bamiyan images of the Buddha.
“I am ready to buy all the pieces the Government wants to destroy,” he
told The Times, estimating that to buy all the threatened relics would
cost £68 million. He proposed dividing the statues into pieces and
moving them first to London. “The Japanese are very keen to have these
pieces. In Hong Kong lots of people are interested.”
The campaign to destroy all traces of pre-Islamic cultures in
Afghanistan is seen as a significant victory by hardline elements
within the Taleban leadership who are embittered by the imposition of
fresh United Nations sanctions in January.
Their anger was fuelled by hardship among the drought-stricken
population and America’s continuing condemnation of Taleban’s drugs
record despite a recent UN report confirming the near-total
elimination of poppy-growing across large areas of the country.
A clear sign of the growing determination to defy international
opinion has been the increasingly high profile of Osama bin Laden, the
billionaire terrorist suspect. It is Taleban’s refusal to hand over
the Saudi exile that led to the imposition of sanctions, but after a
prolonged period in which he was apparently kept out of the public
view he has been seen twice on television within the past couple of
months.
The most recent occasion — just after Taleban’s supreme religious
leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, ordered that the statues be destroyed —
was when he appeared on a Saudi television network reciting a poem
praising the bombing of the USS Cole in Aden.
Taleban soldiers are said to be in a hurry to complete their wrecking
work, apparently under orders to finish the task by today, before the
start of the Muslim holy festival of Eid-ul Azha.
Mo
Lord Buddha's statues ? . Incidentally Hindus call him 'Bhagwan Buddh'
as they consider him a reincarnation of Vishnu , we are all Gods as we
have all bits of god in us .
The answer I think is that she realised immediately the mindset of
these barbarians . If they can demolish the largest statue , a
beautiful work of creation of thousands over tens of years , a symbol
of peace and friendship , on the orders of non existent God , they can
easily cut your throat tomorrow according to 9/5..
Mo
hypocrisy ! Where have they been all week ?..
Intellectuals denounce destruction of Buddha relics
New Delhi, March 5. (PTI): Historians, intellectuals and artists,
mostly Muslims, today strongly denounced the Taliban regime for
destroying the ancient Buddhist relics in Afghanistan saying there
could be "no justification" for such barbarous acts.
Historians Irfan Habib, Shireen Moosvi, Sumit Sarkar, noted
litterateur Kaifi Azmi, painters Jatin Das, Vivas Sundaram, journalist
Vinod Dua, dancer Raja Reddy and theatre personality M K Raina sat on
a protest meeting here carrying placards attacking Taliban forces and
their fanaticism.
The protest meeting was organised under the aegis of Sahmat, a body
formed in honour of late theatre personality Safdar Hashmi. Habib,
Chairman of Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR), said "there
can be no justification for this".
Sarod maestro, Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, also expressed solidarity with
the protestors saying he was "pained" at the destruction of the Buddha
statues. "It is sad that the followers of the prophet of peace should
indulge in such vandalism. Their action has humiliated artists, which
should not have happened," he said.
"I am particularly pained as my forefathers came from Afghanistan",
Amjad Ali Khan said.
Mo
of a number of groups Britain last week labeled as
terrorist, meanwhile voiced support for the Taliban
stand.
''In an Islamic country there is no concept of idols and
our holy prophet taught us to break the idols,'' said a
statement from the Pakistan-based group, which is
fighting against Indian control in the disputed Himalayan
territory of Kashmir.
Nawaz
> the 500,000 mosques in India and expel the 200m Muslims to Pakistan in
> controlled peaceful enviornments ! See where your crazy fanatical
> logic to justify this stupid act of terrorism takes you ?..
Not the same - with the Indian action, people are being effected in
a real way - you are advocating the displacement of millions of
people, an act that WILL result in the death of many - does
your prejudice know no bounds? Do you think things through
before spewing your rubbish on the ngs? I don't think so,
"peace", sister...
Nawaz
Mo <Mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3aa3d376...@news.onetel.net.uk...
She herself is no better - to demand that all Muslims be killed
in retaliation for the re-assembling of a few stones; She shows no
signs of a civilised human being - for advocating such thoughts, she
herself should be thrown to a pack of wild dogs.
Nawaz
But why should they? Why can't Hindus, the promoters of
peace and tolerance, tolerate these mosques?
You know what I think, Mo, I think you are not a Hindu,
you just pretend so that you can incite hatred between Hindus
and Muslims. Evil. That's what you are. And if people took
you seriously we would be in trouble...
Nawaz
> Now they speak out when the statues have been destroyed . Talk about
> hypocrisy ! Where have they been all week ?..
It's never too late...
Mo
give up Kabah or the Mecca . Are the Hindus the only ones in this
world who have no rights just because they are peaceful and tolerant ?
And I am proud Hindu pagan atheist ..
Mo
forbidding building any new ones as Aurangazeb did to Hindus and the
Taliban and Pakistan are doing. Satisfied ?..
Mo
art from Islamistan and save them . Nawaz talks of these 'stones'
showing how brain dead are Islamists brought up to love God and hate
humans .
These magnificient statues were a gift from our ancestors to us ,
look they said , this is the level of civilization we have achieved
and we want to tell we are peaceful people and love this land and want
you to share our feelings .
Little did they know that the world would be populated by mad
Islamists who would destroy their creation of love , obeying their non
existent Allah..
the-hindu.com
Time Pak. reined in fundamentalists
By Kuldip Nayar
Some of the best Buddha statues of the Gandhara school of art are in
the Peshwar museum. Many years ago when I visited the place, I found
only a few people conscious of such aesthetic and antique pieces in
their midst. Others knew about their presence. But the city, once the
citadel of secular forces, the ``Red Shirts'', before Partition,
recognised the status as part of their heritage. Not even once did
anyone demand or demonstrate against their display at the museum.
I have not visited Peshawar or, for that matter, the North West
Frontier Province, since. The types of Gen. Hamid Gul, former ISI
chief, have, however, spoilt the atmosphere. They have sown the nettle
of fanaticism which has grown into a crop of fundamentalism. The
Taliban is the produce.
What I have read in newspapers shows that the family of Khan Abdul
Ghaffar Khan - Frontier Gandhi - still fights against bigotism and
``Mullaism'': Theirs is a secular politics. Mr. Abdul Gani Khan, his
son, along with his wife and the level- headed son, keep the flag of
tolerance aloft. They could not stop the Taliban but they should save
the Buddha pieces in Peshwar because the Taliban's unofficial
headquarters is located in the city and they can turn their ire
against the museum any time.
If it ever came to that, Islamabad may not do anything against them.
Its mute reaction to vandalism in Afghanistan is a testimony to the
Pakistan junta's future course of action. I know some of my Pakistani
friends would feel horrified at the proposal. But they should
seriously consider transferring the Buddha statues at museums in
Peshawar and Lahore to India or some other safe place till the tide of
fanaticism subsides in their country. The way in which the Pakistan
Interior Minister, Mr. Mohuddin Haider, went back on his word to curb
the ``jehadis'' indicates the Government's helplessness. Say tomorrow,
were there an agitation by some Lashkaris to remove the Buddha pieces
from museums or to destroy mounds at Taxila, what would Islamabad do?
I concede that the Pakistan Government is too much under the pressure
of fundamentalists and ``jehadis''. Still I had imagined that it would
use the destruction of the Buddha statues as an opportunity to rap its
child, the Taliban, over the knuckles. Pakistan is supposed to be a
modern, liberal Muslim state. I recall when General Pervez Musharraf
took over, a photo appeared with his two pet pups in his arms. The
impression sought to be conveyed was that a liberal reformer had
stepped in. But there has been little on the ground to indicate any
action against fundamentalists.
The induction of Mullah-type men by General Zia-ul-Haq in the Pakistan
army may be one reason why Gen. Musharraf looks helpless. Some of
them, according to Gul Mohammad, occupy high positions in the army.
Still, Islamabad's reluctance to chastise fundamentalists has damaged
the country's image. It cannot combine the opposites: use the fanatics
to destabilise India and wish that the fall-out would not contaminate
the Pakistan society.
The silence of the liberals is intriguing. True, they are in unhappy
as is the majority in Pakistan. But the fear to join issue with the
extremists has silenced them. They are afraid to annoy
fundamentalists. But they should know that no voice has ever gained
strength if it is not raised.
When the Babri Masjid was demolished, a dastardly act by fanatics, the
Hindu community, by and large, showed its anger against the attack on
the composite culture which the building depicted. The BJP State
Governments were dismissed and the party lost four of them in new
elections. The Supreme Court punished the then U.P. Chief Minister.
Three top BJP leaders, including the Home Minister, Mr. L. K. Advani,
are still facing charges in connection with the demolition. Even the
BJP-led Government dares not challenge India's secular polity.
The Taliban, who run Afghanistan, know of fundamentalism alone. In
fact, the stigma which they have put on its face will take several
years to rub off. The ``Umah'' has not only to dispel the disgust
which the Taliban have evoked in the minds of people all over the
world but also have to prove that Islam is not what the Taliban or
other fundamentalists are trying to show. An Iranian cleric is quite
right to observe: ``Unfortunately, the Taliban's destruction of
statues has cast doubt on the comprehensive views offered by Islamic
ideology in the world''.
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circles, said the issue was clear-cut and Muslims should not be
influenced by people of other faiths. ``I would like to ask the world
Muslims not to harmonise their voices with those of non-believers,''
he said. ``The infidels want to rob Islam of its spirit.''
Taliban officials have said the ``work'' on the statues is nearly
complete, with more than two-thirds of the thousands of historic
figures in the country already destroyed. They said the huge Bamiyan
Buddhas were attacked with rockets and shells last week and would be
reduced to rubble within days. (Agencies)
Mo
Hindi films will survive Malaysian clerics threat
KUALA LUMPUR: A call by a section of Malaysia's Islamic clergy to
restrict the screening of Hindi movies, which they accuse of
"corrupting" youngsters, may not have the desired impact on the
popularity of Bollywood films in the Southeast Asian country.
"The clerics are jealous of Hindi movies because the latter wield much
greater influence over the people than their own religious preaching,"
says Jusuf Samadh, a long-time Malaysian journalist based in Kuala
Lumpur.
The Mufti Council, an Islamic organisation in Malaysia had recently
asked that the number of Indian films being shown on television be
reduced. It also said that the Hindi films had a bad influence on the
country's majority Muslim population.
Samadh points out that much of the time such "edicts" by the clergy
have nothing to do with religion and much with domestic politics. The
Islamic clergy in Malaysia tends to support the radical Pan Malaysian
Islamic Party (PAS), one of the main opposition parties in the
country.
Radical Islamic groups in Malaysia, bizarrely similar to Hindu
fundamentalists in India, have from time to time attacked Western pop
music, hairstyles and dress as symbols of "decadence" and as being
"un-Islamic," but this is the first time that they have targeted Hindi
films.
The clergy's demand is, in fact, seen by many Malaysians as part of
the usual politics of fundamentalist Islamic groups that have been
trying to seek public attention by portraying themselves as the sole
defenders of "culture and morality" in Malaysian society.
While sex and abusive language are censored in Malaysia, violent
scenes often escape the censor's scissors. Claiming that Hindi movies
promoted "immoral values," the clerics wanted the films to be limited.
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has reportedly called for a
study to establish whether "violent Bollywood films" encourage crimes,
adding that the study would help the government decide whether a
partial or total ban should be clamped on Hindi films.
The Malaysian information ministry, in response to the clerics' call,
is reported to be drafting new guidelines for television programming,
which would limit the telecast of Hindi movies to once a week. The
guidelines will, however, not apply to private television channels
both within the country and neighbouring Indonesia and Singapore,
which regularly show Hindi movies that are also screened in several
theatres in major Malaysian cities.
Bollywood films have enjoyed great popularity in Malaysia, Indonesia,
Thailand and other Southeast Asian countries for many decades now and
several Indian movie stars are household names in the region. It is
common to see pictures of Shah Rukh Khan, Salman Khan, Hrithik Roshan
and others staring out from the pages of Malaysian magazines and the
country has become a major export market for Hindi films.
Ironically, the clerics' call comes at a time when the Malaysian
government is trying hard to woo Bollywood directors to use the
country as a location for their films. Several Hindi films have
already been shot in Malaysia. Its numerous picturesque islands and
virgin forests are attractive to Mumbai's filmmakers because of the
lower costs involved in shooting there compared to Europe, Australia
or New Zealand.
Which is not to say Hindi movies have not been caught up in
controversy in Malaysia. Last year, for example, Malaysian authorities
banned Fiza, film critic Khaled Mohammed's directorial debut, about a
middle-class Muslim family where the only male member of the family
becomes a terrorist set against the backdrop of the 1992-1993 riots in
Mumbai. Authorities claimed the portrayal of a Muslim as a terrorist
was offensive to the sentiments of many people in Malaysia. (IANS)
Mo
Sangh accuses govt of not acting to stop Taliban decree
PRIYA SOLOMON
New Delhi, March 05, 22:19
he government has come under attack from the Sangh Parivar for
playing a mute spectator while the Taliban carried out its fanatical
decree of destroying all pre-Islamic Buddha statutes in Afghanistan.
The Sangh, which believes Buddha was a reincarnation of Lord Vishnu,
has taken this opportunity to remind the government of the atrocities
against Hindus in Afghanistan and other Muslim countries.
The Sangh mouthpiece, Panchajanya , has particularly ridiculed
External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh and his inability to deal with
this barbaric situation in the neighbourhood.
"We can only accompany terrorists to Kandahar and receive horses from
Saudi Arabia."
"We are a peace loving people. We can only personally accompany
terrorists to Kandahar and free them and can praise the Taliban for a
humanitarian approach," the RSS mouthpiece sarcastically wrote
pointing to the IC 814 hijack of the Indian Airlines plane in December
1999. As part of the deal, the Indian government had released three
dreaded terrorists including Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood
Azhar.
Another Sangh mouthpiece, the Organiser , also sought to remind the
government of the devilish role played by the Taliban in the hijack
crisis. "It was not without reason that the hijackers forced the
pilots to fly to Taliban-ruled Afghanistan," the writer says.
According to the RSS, India’s inability to stop the Taliban barbarism
is not surprising, particularly since it cannot even do much when
Hindu idols or temples are demolished any where in the world. "More
than 100 temples were broken in Kashmir, but did we stop any from
being demolished or reconstruct any of them later?" the writer asks.
The Organiser criticised the government for merely issuing statements
condemning the Taliban act. Calling the external affairs ministry’s
response to the destruction of the Buddha statues, which once again
merely profiled the militia’s narrow and obscurantist ideology, "an
absolute outrage" the writer said, "The well-worded response of the
government needs to be followed up with diplomatic moves to mobilise
international opinion against the Taliban and its supporters Pakistan.
New Delhi cannot afford to sit back and helplessly watch the assault
on the cultural heritage of our civilization."
Not even sparing the Prime Minister’s silence on the issue the writer
said, "the nation looks up to the Prime minister to take personal
interest in the matter and speak to heads of governments around the
globe, to ensure that Islamic fundamentalists that are guilty of
hurting religious sentiments of crores of people around the globe are
brought to book."
Criticising the double standards of the world community in condemning
the action, the Panchajanya article said if the statues in questions
were of Jesus Christ or if the Taliban were blowing off the Vatican,
the entire European arms and ammunition deposit would have been
exhausted in the attack.
"They will either stage missiles against Osama Bin Laden or against
anything related to their faith. Unfortunately the Buddha does not
fall in either of the categories," the writer says.
Continuing its ridicule against Jaswant Singh the Panchajanya writes,
"We are happy taking horses from Saudi Arabia" while ignoring the
segregation meted out to the Hindus there. Singh had a couple of
months visited Arabia in order to strengthen diplomatic relations and
had returned home with a couple of horses gifted to him by the Saudi
Prince.
The RSS mouthpiece further pointed to the fact that while the Indian
government and even the BJP goes all out to ensure assistance to the
Haj pilgrims, Hindus in Arabia only get a third of the compensation
that a Muslim citizen gets in case of an accidental death.
Mo
the same thread and those not interested can simply mark it ignore
while those fascinated can keep track of it . You vvsp -very very
stupid person just creates hundreds of annoying capital headers each
day..
Mo
jang.com.pk
What has been Pakistan's role -- it being one of the three countries
only which has recognised the Taliban regime. As a close neighbour and
generally considered as one which helped Taliban's rise and success in
Afghanistan, it was only to be expected that it would be the first to
seriously take up the matter with Kabul. All that it has done so far
is to issue two appeals to the Taliban administration not to go ahead
with the implementation of the edict. Here was an opportunity to
mobilise the Islamic countries to put pressure on Mulla Umer.
At stake was not only the image of the Taliban regime which has
already attracted strong adverse criticism on account of its policies
about education and women but also the general perception about Islam
in this part of the world. Pakistan by using its considerable
influence with the Taliban and quickly spearheading the international
concern might have not only stopped the destruction of cultural
property (quite a few pieces in museums and other places are reported
to have been destroyed). The Indian action -- Parliamentary
resolutions, Jaswant Singh's well worded statements and Vajpayee's
initiative with influential powers across the globe stands in sharp
contrast to Pakistan's routinised and if I may say so, poor
performance. It may be a little late but what stops Islamabad from
calling an urgent meeting of the OIC.
The whole Muslim world has expressed its disagreement with the
Taliban's interpretation of Islam in the matter. Even the Grand Mufti
of Egypt Nasr Farid Wasel talking to a London-based Arabic Daily has
said that "Islam was not against keeping the statues." Such statues he
added as Egypt's Pharaonic monuments bolster the economy of a country
through tourism and "don't have any negative impact on Muslim's
belief." Mr Abdul Sattar should immediately go to Kabul to tale a lead
in the world's community's campaign and dissuade Mulla Umar from
proceeding further in defiance of the international opinion. If
however the Taliban remain adamant with their resolve to go ahead to
destroy the statues, Sattar should plead with Kabul that instead of
atomising the invaluable cultural heritage let the statues be removed
to another country. In this connection the UN-relayed proposal of the
New York's Metropolitan Museums offer to buy them could be considered
by them with advantage.
The decision to destroy the statues may have come from the way the
world has treated the Taliban who rule over 95% of the Afghan
territory and still remain unrecognised by the United Nations and
because of the unreasonable one-sided sanctions which have accentuated
the miseries of the drought-ridden population. The Taliban, however,
need not add to the damage already done to their interests by doing
things which further irritate and alienate the international
community.
Pakistan too needs to make up for its laxity in playing a dynamic role
in Afghanistan's current crisis and thereby improving its image as an
enlightened country which moves with the times and is in the
mainstream of international cultural concerns.
The author is a Lahore-based columnist
Nawaz
> Foe the same reason Jews wont give up Jerusalem and Muslims wont
> give up Kabah or the Mecca . Are the Hindus the only ones in this
> world who have no rights just because they are peaceful and tolerant ?
No - they just have to accept facts; that these sites now belong to Muslims,
who in turn have built great monuments, which if destroyed would be a loss
to the whole world.
> And I am proud Hindu pagan atheist ..
Whatever that is...
Nawaz
> OK maybe we will just settle with destroying the 500,000 mosques and
> forbidding building any new ones as Aurangazeb did to Hindus and the
> Taliban and Pakistan are doing.
So basically you are looking for revenge?
> Satisfied ?..
No.
Nawaz
> Nawaz talks of these 'stones'
> showing how brain dead are Islamists brought up to love God and hate
> humans .
No - it shows that I am practical; I put more importance on the lives
of people than on useless pieces of rock, that are an eysore that can
be seen for many miles.
Mo
The Buddhas were meant as a gesture of love and affection from our
ancestors , and yours too fool ,since you are not an Arab , and the
crazy Islamists as usual destroy every work of beauty .
The mosques are symbols of hate and oppression built on deliberately
demolished temples and Hindus will leave 30,000 or so but the one on
their three holiest of holy sites will never be . They can be shifted
just as the Japanese and others offered to buy and shift the Buddhas
but the crazed Islamists refused.
Earlier you defended the 'right' of Afghans to destroy them , so why
dont you defend the right of Hindus to demolish all the 500,000
mosques in their country where every day and night 9/5 -to kill Hindus
is being preached ?
Always one law for Muslims and one for the rest ?..
Mo
right to destroy these statues , then Hindus too have the right to
demolish all the mosques in their country . Be fair ..
Mo
rocks and give some free food to Muslims . Happy at your logic ?..
Mo
March 5, 2001
Readers' Opinion
Destruction of the statutes at Bamiyan
Lutfur Rahman
E mail : "lutfur_ rahman"@telus.net
It is a profanity of monumental proportion, it is a revulsion, it is a
defilement of everything that is decent in human spirit and intellect.
For 2000 years these statues, of one of the most benevolent proponent
of
man's religions, have cast their peaceful gaze over the high hills of
the
Hindu Kush in an attempt to spread the message of love peace and
harmony
amongst all things natural. Standing close to 180 feet tall(one of
them) in
niches in the mountainside overlooking Bamiyan these neglected
statues, are
legacies of mankind's past sages and saints, relics of human
creativity,
symbols of expression of the ideals of the humanity.
These relics have survived marauding hordes the likes of Mahmud,
Chengis,
Tamerlane and the rest, albeit under extreme abuse and indignity. It
is mind
boggling to think that, at the dawn of the 21st century, in the age of
knowledge, enlightenment and peaceful coexistence we have bigoted,
fanatical xenophobic human beings who can conjure up such foul and
convoluted rationales for their distraction in the name of another
religion!
As Muslims we to need to ask ourselves, is our religion so insecure,
so
shaky that after 1500 years of existence, that benign statues
standing in
complete silence in posture of peace and harmony atop mountain tops
poses
such threat that they have to be dynamited to rubbles in our name?
The apologists of Islam have never lost an opportunity to remind
everybody
that Islam means peace and universal brotherhood. How often do we
hear the
phrase in the aftermath of every tragedy, every outrage perpetrated by
Islamic zealots...but that is not Islam, Islam means love ..etc. etc.
It seems our religion has often through out its' turbulent history
lent
itself for easy misinterpretation and exploitation by despots and
demagogues. It has become tools of destruction, loot and plunder in
the
hands of psychopathic killers and tyrants. I t has brought no peace
and no
harmony, not to its' followers, not to it's adversaries.
It is of little consolation that Islam is not alone in having such
conflicts
sometimes in what it preaches and what it practices. Such religious
fanaticism and obscene self righteousness have also plagued other
religions.
The destruction and the obliteration of the Inca and the Maya people
and
their culture in South America by the Spanish and
Portuguese conquistadors starting the beginning of the 16th century in
the
name of Christianity are chilling reminders of the evil that can be
perpetrated in the name of religion.
However, while other religions seem to have learnt from their past and
modified their ways in keeping with the march of times, Islam appear
to be
standing still in the mediaeval times totally oblivious to the needs
of a
changed world.
Could it be that the method of propagation or dissipation of the
message of
our religion is flawed to a point where it lends itself for easy
abuse? Or
is the message itself is so camouflaged in abstract and ambiguous
notions
which are difficult for ordinary followers to grasp?
At this cross road of human coexistence, for the sake of Islam, should
not
the true religious scholars from the world's Muslim countries convene
to
examine ways and means of clarifying (or redefining) the edicts of
the
religion so that they are not so easily misinterpreted and a religion
born
out of desire to live in peace and harmony does not get
left behind in adapting to a new world order?
Should religious education in our country be encouraged in the
vernacular of
the adherents rather than in a language which is beyond the grasp of
almost
100 % of the followers. Encouraging parrot like cramming of religious
edicts
in an alien language serves no purpose of spreading the real message
of a
religion other than creating foot
soldiers for ambitious demagogues , the kind we see aplenty in our
midst,
to ply their trade of hatred and fanaticism.
Mo
Allah's sickening orders..
KABUL (Reuters) - Afghanistan's ruling Taliban movement has delayed
further destruction of two colossal Buddhist statues because of a
major Muslim holiday, witnesses said on Tuesday.
They said more than half of the ancient figures hewn out of sandstone
cliffs in the central province of Bamiyan had been damaged by constant
shelling from Taliban fighters in recent days.
"Because of the Eid ul-Adha (Feast of the Sacrifice) holidays, the
work has been called off temporarily," one traveler told Reuters.
He said the smashing of the statues -- towering 175 feet and 120 feet
-- would resume after the holidays, which are expected to last till
the weekend.
The Taliban's supreme leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, has brushed aside
repeated international appeals to spare the statues, saying the
figures are un-Islamic and people should be proud of destroying them.
"I ask the Muslim people of Afghanistan not to be afraid of the
infidels' pressure," the official Voice of Shariat radio quoted him as
saying.
Omar's decree to destroy all statues in Afghanistan, which was a
center of Buddhist culture before the arrival of Islam more than 1,200
years ago, has attracted widespread international outrage.
On Monday, Hindu hard-liners in India burned a copy of the Muslim holy
book, the Koran. German Culture Minister Julian Nida-Ruemelin likened
the statue smashing to Nazi book-burning purges and an Afghan news
agency said Japan had warned that aid to the drought and war-ravaged
nation could be hit.
The United States also said it had raised its concerns, while Muslim
Pakistan -- one of three countries with diplomatic ties with the
Taliban -- has also called for a rethink.
DESTRUCTION BEGINS
The Taliban's ambassador to Pakistan, Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, said
on Monday the destruction of the two statues began on March 4.
"Explosions caused one quarter of the two statues to be blown up," the
Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press quoted him as saying.
Also on Monday, U.N. cultural agency UNESCO special representative
Pierre LaFrance, after talks with the Taliban Foreign Minister held
before the purist Islamic movement said they had started destroying
the Buddhas, hinted the statues could still be saved.
But LaFrance confirmed that smaller Buddhist statues had already been
smashed in Ghazni and Herat.
Iran urged the Organization of Islamic Conference, the world's largest
Islamic body, to try and stop the Taliban, and Greece offered to buy
statues left behind from the days of Alexander the Great's conquests
in Asia.
People protested in Kathmandu, the capital of Nepal, where Gautama,
the founder of Buddhism, was born more than 2,600 years ago. Mainly
Buddhist Thailand and predominantly Muslim Malaysia added their voices
to a chorus of criticism.
The European Union denounced the start of the destruction of statues
as "an act of cultural barbarism and religious intolerance."
But a Kashmiri separatist group, based in Pakistan, expressed support
for the Taliban stand.
Nawaz
It would also help if they were practical too.
> The Buddhas were meant as a gesture of love and affection from our
> ancestors , and yours too fool ,since you are not an Arab ,
Whether I'm Arab of not is not relevant; The thing you have to undestand
is that a nationality does not make ones religion, nor does a religion make
a person of a particular nationality. I can be Canadian and still be Muslim,
or I can be Muslim and yet not be Arab.
> and the
> crazy Islamists as usual destroy every work of beauty .
No, they are just trying to make something useful out of it...they're
actually using those statues for target practice...
> The mosques are symbols of hate and oppression built on deliberately
> demolished temples and Hindus will leave 30,000 or so but the one on
> their three holiest of holy sites will never be . They can be shifted
> just as the Japanese and others offered to buy and shift the Buddhas
> but the crazed Islamists refused.
> Earlier you defended the 'right' of Afghans to destroy them , so why
> dont you defend the right of Hindus to demolish all the 500,000
> mosques in their country
'Cause that isn't just "their country" - India belong to all Indians, not
just Hindus. The minorities have built these great monuments, one
of which was so savagly destroyed, for the good of mankind as
a whole - you included.
Nawaz
> right to destroy these statues , then Hindus too have the right to
> demolish all the mosques in their country . Be fair ..
Be fair? You claim that the statues have now been demolished. How
many people have been killed as a direct result of this act, in this
lawless land of terrorists and thugs? None.
Now let's compare with the worlds largest democracy, the upholder
of human rights, the champion of one person one vote; Babri Masjid
destroyed by thousands of savages, armed with sticks, swords, guns,
and hammers. How many killed as a direct result of this vicious act?
Thousands.
Now Mo, do you see the difference? In the land of the terrorists,
the demolition is taking place in a controlled environment. In the
'land of the free', the demolition took place in madness. Notice
the subtle difference...
Nawaz
> rocks and give some free food to Muslims . Happy at your logic ?..
Not my logic at all - destroying Mecca will bring not bring benefit at
all - it's currenty being used by millions of people per year, every year.
These buddha statues were just taking up space that could used more
productively.
Mo
Buddhists and Sikhs in Afghanistan , so why have the Taliban destroyed
these monumental statutes and why are retards defending it .
The more you justify these cruelties the more Hindus are becoming
determined that Islam cannot co-exist with Hinduism or any other
religion in India and one or the other must go..
Mo
holiest of holy sites and thousands get killed ( I think it was about
500 and mostly Pakistani ISI bombs in Bombay) but if Hindusor
Buddhists dont react then its jsutified to destroy their statues.
Hope all pseudosecular Hindus are reading your comments and drawing
the appropriate conclusions , that an Islamic majority in India will
destroy all the temples . Maybe Hindus will strike first..
Mo
thosuands of kilometers of mountains are takig up space and must be
destroyed !
The mosques of India are taking up space where Hindus could live and
so they must go according to your logic..
harmony
It is a huge mistake to think Psec hindus will learn anything out of it, for
they have a self interest to serve in their anti-hinduism and hence
muhamadism is their first ally. So, it is the hindus who have to draw
appropriate lessons, and neutralize psecs first because they are the most
dangerous enemy.
INDIA'S NO. 1 ENEMY: PSECS WHO HAVE HINDU NAMES.
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David Starr
imokyourok instead of your using your real name which is Pradip Parekh??
Asshole, you Gujus have sold the whole Gujrat to the muslims, and now Gujrat
is 100% muslim, some still using hindu names and others like Ahmed Patel,
Ahmed Diwan, and such.
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Kind of like those annoying mosques where religious fanatics holler
prayers several times a day.
I agree. All annoying religious structures should be destroyed.
>
>
>
harmony
> When the Babri Masjid was demolished, a dastardly act by fanatics, the
> Hindu community, by and large, showed its anger against the attack on
> the composite culture which the building depicted.
(I am sure the psec did not mean to say compost culture.)
Muhamad Kuldip Nayar can always be counted on for such gem of wisdom. We
have many such buildings depicting "compost culture".
Nawaz
Thank you.
> There are still a few Hindus and
> Buddhists and Sikhs in Afghanistan ,
> so why have the Taliban destroyed
> these monumental statutes and why are retards defending it .
Because they are useless - all they did was just stand there.
> The more you justify these
Not justfiying it all, the Taleban are more than capable in doing that;
I'm merely pointing out how it hurts when the shoe is on the other
foot...
Nawaz
> thosuands of kilometers of mountains are takig up space and must be
> destroyed !
> The mosques of India are taking up space where Hindus could live and
> so they must go according to your logic..
But those Mosques are being used by Indians; Using your logic, all temples
in predominantly Muslim areas should also be destroyed?
I really can't see why you are so intent on destroying places of worship.
Nawaz
> holiest of holy sites and thousands get killed ( I think it was about
> 500 and mostly Pakistani ISI bombs in Bombay) but if Hindusor
> Buddhists dont react then its jsutified to destroy their statues.
You'll find that people were killed on both sides, the incident left
many scars.
> Hope all pseudosecular Hindus are reading your comments and drawing
> the appropriate conclusions ,
I hope so too.
> that an Islamic majority in India will
> destroy all the temples .
No it won't; Muslims are a peaceful 'people'.
> Maybe Hindus will strike first..
They have already done that...
Nawaz
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> > > Nawaz talks of these 'stones'
> > > showing how brain dead are Islamists brought up to love God and hate
> > > humans .
> >
> > No - it shows that I am practical; I put more importance on the lives
> > of people than on useless pieces of rock, that are an eysore that can
> > be seen for many miles.
> >
>
> Kind of like those annoying mosques where religious fanatics holler
> prayers several times a day.
You're not a redneck are you?
>
> I agree. All annoying religious structures should be destroyed.
So should all places where facists breed...
Mo
it unaccpetable that they should be reading the Quranic verses calling
for their killings . And there are many times more mosques than
temples in India and its unacceptable..
Mo
many .
Dont spare Mother Earth while you morons are at it..
Buddha demolitions raise dust in cyberspace
Ashwani Talwar
Another wonders if the sun and moon should also be destroyed since
they were worshiped by some.
www.timesofindia.com
NEW DELHI: It is not just the political and religious heavyweights who
have been provoked by the Taliban bombardment of the Bamiyan Buddhas.
It has also struck a chord among people who go by names like Khaak,
Donaa, JKabuli, Mujahed and Slider19.
Non-resident Afghans are using cyberspace to protest the Taliban
demolitions. Or to defend them. On the `Afghan-web' discussion forum
at least, those who want the statues saved outnumber those who want
them ground to dust.
`Khaak' -- not his real name, one can be sure -- argues the Taliban
are harming Islam. ``So think about it,'' he advises, ``and give up
Taliban for the sake of Quran and the Prophet.''
Another "liberal", `JKabuli' confronts `Hasannh': ``You are sounding
more and more like the Bible-thumping Christian fundamentalist on TV.
There is more to religion than just spouting out-of-context verses and
quotations.''
The forum members debate whether or not the Quran sanctions
idol-breaking. And even if it does, whether it is in a different
context. `Wahidullah' for one, is hard to convince.
``If the Quran says destroy idols, if Hadiz-e-Sharif says destroy
idols, if Muhammed says destroy idols, I will agree with them. I will
not agree with anyone who believes they should be spared,'' he says".
They debate Islam's relation with its ``pre-Islamic foundations.''
Says `Nowarnow', ``Islam and Islamic culture of today are founded on
pre-Islamic traditions, but they have been reinterpreted and given
Islamic meanings and functions.''
Some participants worry about non-Muslims following the Taliban
example and attacking Muslim shrines. ``Can we blame those who do so
in future,'' asks `Sayed H Moslih.' He argues the feeling was growing
in India, and Pakistan was capitalising on it.
``If we have a Buddhist supporter among ourselves, then anything could
happen.,'' `Mujahed' replies in contempt. `` What was your reaction
when Indian(s) destroyed the Masjid,'' he asks.
At another site too the Bamiyan-Babri debate crops up. `Slider19'
notes with some relish in `Pakistan Forum' that the Bamiyan Buddha
could do nothing to protect itself. ``Is the Hindu (sic) god so
weak,'' he taunts. `Roshan' replies, ``When Hindus demolished Babri,
where was Allah?''
The Afghan site also throws up another theory on why the Taliban acted
now: they were trying to hit out at Buddhist Thailand. Thailand's
Central Bank had recently asked foreign exchange institutions to
implement UN sanctions against the Taliban. This, a participant
argues, hit Taliban and Osama bin Laden hard.
The West is blamed by some for worrying more about the the statues
than about the plight of the Afghan people. It is also taken to task
for not doing anything to stop the demolition ordered by Mulla
Mohammad Omar. Countries in the "civilised world", one participant
says: "Share the shame for the destruction of these religious symbols
with us powerless Afghans.''
Unlike in seminars, no punches are pulled in cyberspace. You can be
abusive as well as irreverent.
A participant who justifies the demolition is ribbed by another for
living in exile in America, amid temples of other faiths, rather than
in a country where the writ of the mullahs runs. Another wonders if
the sun and moon should also be destroyed since they were worshiped by
some.
``Tell me,'' asks `Donaa,' `` who will destroy the Talib idols, the
ones they call Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden?''
Mo
very survival is in jeopardy with these fanatics..
Statues, idols to be entirely destroyed:
KANDAHAR: A decree issued from the office of Hazrat Ameer-ul-Mu'mineen
has said that all the statues found in different parts of the country
must be destroyed in compliance with the verdict of prominent ulama
and the decision of the supreme court of the Islamic Emirate.
"These idols have been the deities of the Kuffar. The Kuffar used to
worship these statues which are still considered respectable. It is
possible that these people once again make these statues their gods.
The only God is Allah Ta`ala; therefore, all false gods must be
destroyed," the decree said.
The Islamic Emirate has directed the ministry of information and
culture that complying with the shar`ee verdict of the supreme court,
all the idols must be destroyed completely so that nobody can worship
or respect them in the future.
Brushing aside the allegations made by Japan, Srilanka and United
Nations, Hazrat Ameer-ul-Mumineen said: "Our decision is in accordance
with Islamic teachings."
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> > > > Nawaz talks of these 'stones'
> > > > showing how brain dead are Islamists brought up to love God and
hate
> > > > humans .
> > >
> > > No - it shows that I am practical; I put more importance on the
lives
> > > of people than on useless pieces of rock, that are an eysore that
can
> > > be seen for many miles.
> > >
> >
> > Kind of like those annoying mosques where religious fanatics holler
> > prayers several times a day.
>
> You're not a redneck are you?
>
Why, are you a raghead?
> >
> > I agree. All annoying religious structures should be destroyed.
>
> So should all places where facists breed...
>
Like the nearest mosque?
>
>
>
Mo
destroyed the Ram Janambhoomi temple and constructed a mosque at the
same site just to offend the faith of the Hindus. On the contrary, the
Taliban are breaking the idols which are unique and precious to the
whole world," the RSS leader said. "Safeguarding the monuments of
cultural heritage is the responsibility of the whole human society,"
he added.
harmony
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>
> > Nawaz talks of these 'stones'
> > showing how brain dead are Islamists brought up to love God and hate
> > humans .
>
> No - it shows that I am practical; I put more importance on the lives
> of people than on useless pieces of rock
The Talibanis are practical and put more importance on lives of people, and
they will appreciate your, a fellow-talibani, sharing and advocating their
cause.
Speaking of importance of those lives there,
How many women got flogged today for showing off their toes? How many trucks
of food and tylenols, and clothe come in today into kabul from the despising
free world?
Mo
realize that the Taliban are only following the verses 'wage war till
idolworshipping is no more - ie destroy statues so they cant be
worshipped again' and 9/5 slay the idolworshippers (Hindus) .
These Hindus who make excuses whenever Islam commits atrocity should
be forbidden from making speeches for five years to protect India's
freedoms ..
timesofindia.com
The Taliban Terror
India's Record is not Spotless
By SWAMI AGNIVESH & VALSON THAMPU
The idea of vandalising the Bamiyan Buddhas is akin more to the
military spirit than to the ethos of Islam, which is, literally, the
religion of peace.
WHEN religious light strikes the likes of Mulla Mohammad Omar, the
supreme leader of the Taliban, the result can only be apocalyptic.
Religious zeal may take two divergent paths. A man may prove his
religiosity by living the noble ideals and values of his faith. This,
however, is a demanding option. The cheap alternative is to exalt
one's God by bringing down all other Gods. If you project yourself as
the enemy of your neighbour's God then, maybe, your God could be
fooled into believing that you are his man. This simplistic logic
explains why many are willing to kill or die for their religion, but
none cares to live by its light.
The Taliban might offer the excuse of Islamic law or theology to hide
the nakedness of its fundamentalism. Islam does not believe in idols;
but that should not be selective or literal. Idolatry (the worship of
idols) can take many forms. Whenever irrational importance is
attributed to a material object, no matter what its shape, idolatry
results. Idolatry is a sin because it caricatures the nature of God.
The idea that God resides only in certain places and that one has to
go there (as in the case of shrines, pilgrimages, Haj etc.) to meet
him, or to secure religious merit, is essentially idolatrous. All
religious groups are made to idolise shrines, scriptures, and saints
in varying degrees. These become the means by which the priestly class
formats the religiosity of their folds.
Genuine religious reform must start within one's own religious home.
Idolatry is incompatible with reason and human dignity. Being ruthless
with idolatry within one's own fold is the best argument against
idolatry everywhere else. That was what the genuine reformers of
religions tried to do in the past. But in times of spiritual decay,
self-criticism becomes an unpardonable sin. Today condemning and
coercing everybody else has become the proof of religious virility,
and it yields instant profit and popularity.
The current Taliban offensive has two broad features which it shares
with all the fundamentalist convulsions in our country. First, it is
subjective and selective. It absolutises one's unilateral assumptions
on what is outside the scope of one's religious competence and
responsibility. Second, it articulates religious sentiments in the
language of aggression and destruction. Violence is fundamental to
religious fundamentalism. When the fundamentalist mindset acquires the
muscles of militarism the result is bound to be nightmarish.
The idea of vandalising the Bamiyan Buddhas is akin more to the
military spirit than to the ethos of Islam, which is, literally, the
religion of peace. It is native to the martial spirit that the
domination of one ethnic group over the other is incomplete without
the humiliation of the Gods of the vanquished. The Taliban is not a
religious entity, though it dons the cloak of religion to cover the
nakedness of its aggression and irreligion. The greatest danger to a
religion is its own fundamentalist caricature. One has to pity Islam
as it undergoes the vulgarisation of Talibanisation in Afghanistan.
That notwithstanding, it is an entertaining piece of irony that the
most vehement condemnation of the Taliban misadventure has come from
the sangh parivar quarters. It proves yet again that the bitterest
oppositions are between two identical forces. It should not surprise
us, then, that the protagonists of Ayodhya in December of 1992 see the
Taliban project as a `dastardly deed'. This is one of those unique
moments in which the condemnation of others becomes blatant
self-condemnation.
In the end, the real issue is neither Ayodhya nor the Bamiyan Buddhas.
From a fundamentalist standpoint, both are useful only as tools for
whipping up the communal frenzy that is expected to serve at least two
purposes. First, it helps to divert the attention of the people from
their own burning issues. Ridding the land of some shrines is deemed a
more urgent priority than feeding the hungry or clothing the naked.
Second, it helps to establish the perverse logic by which people can
be degraded into tools to serve the hidden agenda of their
pseudo-religious ventriloquists. Though this is a frontal insult to
human dignity and integrity, fundamentalist projects succeed in
retaining the blind loyalty of the masses for a period of time. This
is achieved mainly by playing up the popular craving for aggression
and violence that is endemic in an age of spiritual decay. The Taliban
principle has deep psychological roots. The popular honeymoon with
fundamentalism lasts until its destructive scope is fully played out.
In the end, it is important to realise that the Taliban is not just a
beast that prowls at a distance. It is a potent reality at work in
every religious constituency that is monopolised by vested interests.
The prime `Taliban motive,' so to speak, is to foster a cultic outlook
in order to anchor the people on a contrived illusion. But for the
Bamiyan Buddhas, how many of us would have ever thought of Mulla Omar
at the present time? Nearer home, what other survival kits does the
sangh parivar have other than Ayodhya and the bogey of conversions?
The claim of Sayed Rahmatullah Hashmi, the Taliban spokesman in the
US, that the bombardment of the statues of Buddha is "in retaliation
to the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992" is a clever
afterthought, calculated to embarrass the Vajpayee government in the
eyes of the world. Mr Vajpayee is theoretically right in denouncing
the Taliban move as "a further obscurantist regression - an assault on
centuries of Afghan tradition". But he has to secure the moral right
to be so indignant. As long as his party continues to whitewash the
black deed that tarnished India's global image, we cannot hope to be
taken seriously in our protestation against the Taliban's actions.
Of course, all civilised people must decry and discredit the Taliban
syndrome beyond our borders. It is a phenomenon programmed for
destruction and endemic under-development. But the logic of
fundamentalism dictates that its followers at home will be at the
forefront of this ritual for whatever political mileage they may
derive from it. But those who remember the first 15 pages of Veer
Savarkar's book, Hindutva, do not need to be persuaded that it was not
only in Afghanistan that the Buddha and his followers were
administered a raw deal.
In Brief
* Genuine religious reform must begin in one's own religious home
* The vandalism at Bamiyan goes against the ethos of Islam
* The most critical opposition to the Taliban comes from the sangh
parivar
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Nawaz
> The trouble is what is being preached in those mosques . Hindus find
> it unaccpetable that they should be reading the Quranic verses calling
> for their killings .
You've been told many times before, the Quranic verses don't preach the
killing of just any Hindu, only the special ones...the decent ones need not
worry.
> And there are many times more mosques than
> temples in India and its unacceptable..
So now you claim that Hinduism is on the decline?
Nawaz
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> > > >
> > > > > Nawaz talks of these 'stones'
> > > > > showing how brain dead are Islamists brought up to love God and
> hate
> > > > > humans .
> > > >
> > > > No - it shows that I am practical; I put more importance on the
> lives
> > > > of people than on useless pieces of rock, that are an eysore that
> can
> > > > be seen for many miles.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Kind of like those annoying mosques where religious fanatics holler
> > > prayers several times a day.
> >
> > You're not a redneck are you?
> >
>
> Why,
No reason in particular - just curious.
> are you a raghead?
No.
>
> > >
> > > I agree. All annoying religious structures should be destroyed.
> >
> > So should all places where facists breed...
> >
>
> Like the nearest mosque?
Or the place where you go for those secret evening and weekend
classes...
>
> >
>
> >
> >
>
>
Mo
followers want killed ?..
Sydney Assbasket
>actually using those statues for target practice...
That's really a weak excuse, "trying to make something useful out of it." They
don't NEED the land, not at the expense of a great work of art. Why don't we
use the space occupied by museums to build schools or something? We couldn't
do that because people wouldn't have access to art. Why not demolish movie
theatres and build grocery stores? People need food more than movies, right?
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Mo
to justify his govts criminal act in destroying these two and 6000
other ancient statues . It shows that 99% of Afghans are good human
beings but Islam always ends up with Mullah/Dictatorship rule as it is
a hardline male monontheist philosophy-Saddam/ Khameini / Omer/Gen
Mush and anyone who dares to speak up is killed just as poetess Asma
was killed while breastfeeding because she dared to write a few
satirical verses against the Prophet , and nobody dared criticize him
when he had another young mother of a four year child stoned to death
for 'immorality' .
Muslims esp those confused ones living in the West must realize that
there is no Allah and we have to make our own laws and look after the
priceless works of art of our wise ancestors..
Mo
which make you virtous and not your faith (dharma) , which Hinduism
allows you to have whatever kind you want - one God , many gods , no
gods .
Unfortunately for Muslims its the opposite . Only faith matters and
your actions however cruel are justified if the faith says so - eg
cutting hands , stoning women to death as humans are reduced to the
level of ants and below..
panN...@musician.org (Michael) wrote:
Does worshipping an idol make you less virtuous? Does worshipping a
non-idol God make you more virtuous? What makes you more or less
virtuous are your actions toward others, not whether or how you pray.
Michael
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