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Ed Stasiak
Nov 27, 2019, 8:41:33 PM11/27/19
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Just finished watching “The Irishman” and thought it was quite good,
though as a metro Detroiter, I noticed they messed up the location of
the Machus Red Fox restaurant where Hoffa was last seen, with the
movie showing it on a two-lane semi-rural road when it was (the place
is still there, now as an Andiamo restaurant) actually on Telegraph Rd.
which is a major multi-lane boulevard. Also, there are no mountains
in Detroit (lol).
though as a metro Detroiter, I noticed they messed up the location of
the Machus Red Fox restaurant where Hoffa was last seen, with the
movie showing it on a two-lane semi-rural road when it was (the place
is still there, now as an Andiamo restaurant) actually on Telegraph Rd.
which is a major multi-lane boulevard. Also, there are no mountains
in Detroit (lol).
Michael OConnor
Nov 27, 2019, 9:16:30 PM11/27/19
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Ed Stasiak
Nov 27, 2019, 9:43:38 PM11/27/19
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> Michael OConnor
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > it was actually on Telegraph Rd. which is a major multi-lane boulevard.
Hoffa was seen) but never got around to it before they closed down.
But Scorsese dropped the ball when he included a scene of them driving
away from the restaurant and they go over a steel girder bridge (which
wouldn’t be there either) and there’s a huge wooded mountain in the back
ground…
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > it was actually on Telegraph Rd. which is a major multi-lane boulevard.
> > Also, there are no mountains in Detroit (lol).
>
> I ate at the Machue Red Fox once when I lived in Detroit in the mid 90's;
> it closed down about a year later. I remember the 1990's "Hoffa" biopic
> also had the Machus Red Fox set in a rural looking location and not on
> a main road in suburban Detroit.
I had always intended on going there (just because it was the last place
>
> I ate at the Machue Red Fox once when I lived in Detroit in the mid 90's;
> it closed down about a year later. I remember the 1990's "Hoffa" biopic
> also had the Machus Red Fox set in a rural looking location and not on
> a main road in suburban Detroit.
Hoffa was seen) but never got around to it before they closed down.
But Scorsese dropped the ball when he included a scene of them driving
away from the restaurant and they go over a steel girder bridge (which
wouldn’t be there either) and there’s a huge wooded mountain in the back
ground…
Beaver...@live.com
Nov 28, 2019, 9:16:28 PM11/28/19
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JG Rove
Dec 3, 2019, 8:26:48 PM12/3/19
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Ed Stasiak
Dec 5, 2019, 9:20:46 AM12/5/19
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> JG Rove
> > Ed Stasiak
area up-state for the scenes in the Detroit ‘burbs but the bridge and
mountain scene was odd, as it didn’t really have anything to do with
the story so it’s inclusion was simply for arts sake but you’d think
they’d have found a spot that actually looked like Bloomfield MI.
Also the scene early on in the movie where DeNiro beats up a store
owner was laughably bad, as DeNiro is 76 years old and can’t do
action scenes anymore, even something as minor as this and I don’t
get why they didn’t use a stunt double, all the more so as they were
already using CGI “de-aging” tech on the actor’s faces.
> Libertarian Clint got a state filming tax credit from Georgia.
That seems in-line with Libertarian thinking; if the state is going to
give you a tax break, might as well take it.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Also, there are no mountains in Detroit (lol).
>
> Clint Eastwood used lots of Georgia Roads for Illinois interstates.
“The Irishman” was filmed in NY so they just went to some suburban
> > Also, there are no mountains in Detroit (lol).
>
> Clint Eastwood used lots of Georgia Roads for Illinois interstates.
area up-state for the scenes in the Detroit ‘burbs but the bridge and
mountain scene was odd, as it didn’t really have anything to do with
the story so it’s inclusion was simply for arts sake but you’d think
they’d have found a spot that actually looked like Bloomfield MI.
Also the scene early on in the movie where DeNiro beats up a store
owner was laughably bad, as DeNiro is 76 years old and can’t do
action scenes anymore, even something as minor as this and I don’t
get why they didn’t use a stunt double, all the more so as they were
already using CGI “de-aging” tech on the actor’s faces.
> Libertarian Clint got a state filming tax credit from Georgia.
give you a tax break, might as well take it.
JG Rove
Dec 7, 2019, 4:51:35 PM12/7/19
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Michael OConnor
Dec 8, 2019, 9:01:30 AM12/8/19
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(Spoiler space)
I watched "The Irishman" last night, and thought it was an outstanding movie, maybe will win Best Picture at the Oscars. I thought the acting was top-notch, and while it fit together in a trilogy with "Goodfellas" and "Casino", there were a couple scenes where the movies intersected, such as the teamster money being used to fund the construction of the casinos. Because they changed the names of everybody in "Goodfellas"; I'm sure they must have referred to some of the real people from "Goodfellas" at some point.
It was a different role for Joe Pesci compared to the two other movies where he was a loose cannon hitman and somewhat psychotic; in "The Irishman" he was more subdued and doesn't even handle a gun at all. He was more of a mentor to DeNiro. I also liked the reference Pesci made to the character he played in the movie "JFK", who appears in this movie briefly.
As soon as I heard the name "Hunt", I knew immediately it was Howard Hunt, which connected this movie to "All the Presidents Men" as Hunt was tied to the plumbers who broke into the Democratic headquarters.
As it supposedly took Scorcese and DeNiro six months to convince Pesci to appear in this movie, this may be the last time we see Joe Pesci act again. There was a scene late in the movie with Pesci and DeNiro as very, very old men and I almost got choked up watching it.
Pacino was great, it was one of his better performances although he lapsed into his screaming the second half of sentences gimmick a few times. Several times in the beginning it sounded like he was trying to use some sort of accent or different style of speaking. I don't know how much historical truth there was with the Hoffa part of the story, we'll never know.
This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull" and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
The de-aging technique they used was astonishing; the people behind that process will win an Oscar and it will revolutionize films in the future. This was a technical masterpiece on the level of "Forrest Gump" for how it has transformed CGI technology.
The length didn't bother me, I don't think it dragged at any point. At 3 1/2 hours they covered an awful lot of ground, a lot of historical events between the early 50's and the mid-70's. I loved the graphics when they showed various characters and mentioned when they died and how they died, "Died 1974, shot 4 times in the face".
I watched "The Irishman" last night, and thought it was an outstanding movie, maybe will win Best Picture at the Oscars. I thought the acting was top-notch, and while it fit together in a trilogy with "Goodfellas" and "Casino", there were a couple scenes where the movies intersected, such as the teamster money being used to fund the construction of the casinos. Because they changed the names of everybody in "Goodfellas"; I'm sure they must have referred to some of the real people from "Goodfellas" at some point.
It was a different role for Joe Pesci compared to the two other movies where he was a loose cannon hitman and somewhat psychotic; in "The Irishman" he was more subdued and doesn't even handle a gun at all. He was more of a mentor to DeNiro. I also liked the reference Pesci made to the character he played in the movie "JFK", who appears in this movie briefly.
As soon as I heard the name "Hunt", I knew immediately it was Howard Hunt, which connected this movie to "All the Presidents Men" as Hunt was tied to the plumbers who broke into the Democratic headquarters.
As it supposedly took Scorcese and DeNiro six months to convince Pesci to appear in this movie, this may be the last time we see Joe Pesci act again. There was a scene late in the movie with Pesci and DeNiro as very, very old men and I almost got choked up watching it.
Pacino was great, it was one of his better performances although he lapsed into his screaming the second half of sentences gimmick a few times. Several times in the beginning it sounded like he was trying to use some sort of accent or different style of speaking. I don't know how much historical truth there was with the Hoffa part of the story, we'll never know.
This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull" and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
The de-aging technique they used was astonishing; the people behind that process will win an Oscar and it will revolutionize films in the future. This was a technical masterpiece on the level of "Forrest Gump" for how it has transformed CGI technology.
The length didn't bother me, I don't think it dragged at any point. At 3 1/2 hours they covered an awful lot of ground, a lot of historical events between the early 50's and the mid-70's. I loved the graphics when they showed various characters and mentioned when they died and how they died, "Died 1974, shot 4 times in the face".
moviePig
Dec 8, 2019, 10:09:51 AM12/8/19
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character of your post. Watching this always felt like a multi-level
"event" not to be missed by any long-standing fan of U.S. movies.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 9, 2019, 9:05:22 AM12/9/19
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> Michael OConnor
in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
on the phone was really good.
> The length didn't bother me, I don't think it dragged at any point.
I didn’t even notice 3.5 hours had gone by but I suppose if I had
been sitting in a theater without the option to pause the movie for
bathroom and cigarette breaks, I would have.
I’ll add that I would have used the time spent on DeNiro's daughter
being mad at him, which didn’t really add anything to the flick, on
Hoffa’s adopted son Chuckie O’Brian (played by Jesse Plemons)
who get’s barely any screen time despite being critical to the story.
>
> This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull"
> and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
I dunno about that, he spends most of the movie glaring at people
> This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull"
> and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
on the phone was really good.
> The length didn't bother me, I don't think it dragged at any point.
been sitting in a theater without the option to pause the movie for
bathroom and cigarette breaks, I would have.
I’ll add that I would have used the time spent on DeNiro's daughter
being mad at him, which didn’t really add anything to the flick, on
Hoffa’s adopted son Chuckie O’Brian (played by Jesse Plemons)
who get’s barely any screen time despite being critical to the story.
moviePig
Dec 9, 2019, 10:28:42 AM12/9/19
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more of the original script (and, perhaps, shooting).
Michael OConnor
Dec 9, 2019, 11:55:40 AM12/9/19
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> > This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull"
> > and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
>
> I dunno about that, he spends most of the movie glaring at people
> in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
> on the phone was really good.
>
> > The length didn't bother me, I don't think it dragged at any point.
>
> I didn’t even notice 3.5 hours had gone by but I suppose if I had
> been sitting in a theater without the option to pause the movie for
> bathroom and cigarette breaks, I would have.
>
> I’ll add that I would have used the time spent on DeNiro's daughter
> being mad at him, which didn’t really add anything to the flick, on
> Hoffa’s adopted son Chuckie O’Brian (played by Jesse Plemons)
> who get’s barely any screen time despite being critical to the story.
I agree we needed more of the Jesse Plemmons character as he was Hoffa's son, and I wouldn't have minded seeing more of the Harvey Keitel character either.
The funniest moment was the empty meat truck.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 9, 2019, 7:05:52 PM12/9/19
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> Michael OConnor
> > Ed Stasiak
> > I didn’t even notice 3.5 hours had gone by but I suppose if I had
> > been sitting in a theater without the option to pause the movie for
> > bathroom and cigarette breaks, I would have.
>
> Did the movie theaters have an intermission with this movie?
I dunno, wasn’t it only in one theater for like a week and a half just so
that it would qualify for the Oscars?
> > I’ll add that I would have used the time spent on DeNiro's daughter
> > being mad at him, which didn’t really add anything to the flick, on
> > Hoffa’s adopted son Chuckie O’Brian (played by Jesse Plemons)
> > who get’s barely any screen time despite being critical to the story.
>
with a BB gun in the courtroom but after that, he’s just in the background
until all of a sudden, he’s taking part in Hoffa’s murder and if one isn’t
familiar with the true events, it kinda comes outa nowhere.
Supposedly Chuckie O’Brian and Hoffa had been feuding over Chuckie
wanting to control a major Teamster union local downriver in Detroit and
Hoffa wanting to control it himself as he tried to take back control of the
union as a whole and this is suggested as the reason Chuckie was in on
the hit (he bought the car Hoffa was last seen in off a mobster just a day
or two after).
I’m thinking Anna Paquin got the screen time she did because otherwise
the movie would have all guys with the gals just kinda hovering around in
the background smoking cigarets and maybe Scorsese wanted something
in the flick to appeal to female viewers?
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > I dunno about that, he spends most of the movie glaring at people
> > in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
> > on the phone was really good.
>
> I think his narration helped carry the story and prevent it from dragging.
True.
> > I dunno about that, he spends most of the movie glaring at people
> > in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
> > on the phone was really good.
>
> I think his narration helped carry the story and prevent it from dragging.
> > I didn’t even notice 3.5 hours had gone by but I suppose if I had
> > been sitting in a theater without the option to pause the movie for
> > bathroom and cigarette breaks, I would have.
>
> Did the movie theaters have an intermission with this movie?
that it would qualify for the Oscars?
> > I’ll add that I would have used the time spent on DeNiro's daughter
> > being mad at him, which didn’t really add anything to the flick, on
> > Hoffa’s adopted son Chuckie O’Brian (played by Jesse Plemons)
> > who get’s barely any screen time despite being critical to the story.
>
> I agree we needed more of the Jesse Plemmons character as he was
> Hoffa's son
He gets one scene where he defends his dad and beats up the crazy guy
> Hoffa's son
with a BB gun in the courtroom but after that, he’s just in the background
until all of a sudden, he’s taking part in Hoffa’s murder and if one isn’t
familiar with the true events, it kinda comes outa nowhere.
Supposedly Chuckie O’Brian and Hoffa had been feuding over Chuckie
wanting to control a major Teamster union local downriver in Detroit and
Hoffa wanting to control it himself as he tried to take back control of the
union as a whole and this is suggested as the reason Chuckie was in on
the hit (he bought the car Hoffa was last seen in off a mobster just a day
or two after).
I’m thinking Anna Paquin got the screen time she did because otherwise
the movie would have all guys with the gals just kinda hovering around in
the background smoking cigarets and maybe Scorsese wanted something
in the flick to appeal to female viewers?
Michael OConnor
Dec 9, 2019, 8:46:15 PM12/9/19
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> I’m thinking Anna Paquin got the screen time she did because otherwise
> the movie would have all guys with the gals just kinda hovering around in
> the background smoking cigarets and maybe Scorsese wanted something
> in the flick to appeal to female viewers?
Of the wives, the only one that made any kind of impression on me was Hoffa's wife, she looked familiar but I couldn't quite place her, and after looking her up on IMDB, she was the same actress from "Goodfellas" who was the babysitter who was busted with Henry Hill by the Federalis in the end, the girl who wasn't wearing her lucky hat.
I agree Anna Paquin was wasted in this movie. She's an Oscar-winning actress who really deserved some sort of confrontation scene with DeNiro to wrap up the movie.
bermuda999
Dec 9, 2019, 10:26:17 PM12/9/19
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On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-5, Michael OConnor wrote:
> > > This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull"
> > > and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
> >
> > I dunno about that, he spends most of the movie glaring at people
> > in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
> > on the phone was really good.
>
> I think his narration helped carry the story and prevent it from dragging. As with all of the Scorcese Mob trilogy films, the narration was important, and it was important in this film also.
Golden Globe nominations for The Irishman:
> > > This may be DeNiro's finest performance since "Raging Bull"
> > > and he will certainly get an Oscar nomination for Best Actor.
> >
> > I dunno about that, he spends most of the movie glaring at people
> > in silence but his scene near the end where he calls up Hoffa’s wife
> > on the phone was really good.
>
> I think his narration helped carry the story and prevent it from dragging. As with all of the Scorcese Mob trilogy films, the narration was important, and it was important in this film also.
Best Drama Picture
Best Director (Scorcese)
Best Supporting Actor (Al Pacino)
Best Supporting Actor (Joe Pesci)
Surprisingly no De Niro.
moviePig
Dec 9, 2019, 10:51:52 PM12/9/19
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*are* nominated. (Hmm, fwiw he is *older* than the whole field...)
Michael OConnor
Dec 10, 2019, 2:33:06 AM12/10/19
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> Golden Globe nominations for The Irishman:
> Best Drama Picture
> Best Director (Scorcese)
> Best Supporting Actor (Al Pacino)
> Best Supporting Actor (Joe Pesci)
>
> Surprisingly no De Niro.
Having not seen the Mr. Rogers movie, there is a good chance Tom Hanks will win the Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor for that role, just because he's Tom Hanks.
As far as Best Picture, Best Director, I think "Joker" will win, along with Best Actor. I'm not saying it should win because I haven't seen it yet, but I think it will win. As much as I liked "The Irishman", it could very well get shut out at the Golden Globes.
bermuda999
Dec 11, 2019, 11:07:54 AM12/11/19
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 8:41:33 PM UTC-5, Ed Stasiak wrote:
Latest Scorcese-film f u c k scoreboard (all variations)(with at least 100)
569 The Wolf of Wall Street
422 Casino
300 Goodfellas
237 The Departed
136 The Irishman
114 Raging Bull
Latest Scorcese-film f u c k scoreboard (all variations)(with at least 100)
569 The Wolf of Wall Street
422 Casino
300 Goodfellas
237 The Departed
136 The Irishman
114 Raging Bull
Bill Anderson
Mar 5, 2020, 6:14:34 PM3/5/20
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I started watching at 9 o’clock last night thinking that as it’s a 3 1/2 hour movie I’d probably sit through maybe half of it and the other half some other time. At 12:30 AM I found myself wondering where the time had gone. The movie was terrific, De Niro was magnificent, and Pacino didn’t ham it up too much. While the movie’s facts may be questionable, its brilliance as a story well told is not. Scorsese scores again.
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moviePig
Mar 5, 2020, 6:22:06 PM3/5/20
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On 3/5/2020 6:14 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
> I started watching at 9 o’clock last night thinking that as it’s a 3 1/2 hour movie I’d probably sit through maybe half of it and the other half some other time. At 12:30 AM I found myself wondering where the time had gone. The movie was terrific, De Niro was magnificent, and Pacino didn’t ham it up too much. While the movie’s facts may be questionable, its brilliance as a story well told is not. Scorsese scores again.
Yes, not a disappointment. ("Scorsese scores easy"...)
> I started watching at 9 o’clock last night thinking that as it’s a 3 1/2 hour movie I’d probably sit through maybe half of it and the other half some other time. At 12:30 AM I found myself wondering where the time had gone. The movie was terrific, De Niro was magnificent, and Pacino didn’t ham it up too much. While the movie’s facts may be questionable, its brilliance as a story well told is not. Scorsese scores again.
alvey
Mar 5, 2020, 9:12:34 PM3/5/20
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Scorsese/New York/gangster/De Niro/Pacinoed out.
alvey
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Flasherly
Mar 5, 2020, 11:12:10 PM3/5/20
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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:12:32 +1000, alvey <al...@is.invalid> wrote:
>Got halfway through it a couple of weeks back and gave up. Guess I'm all
>Scorsese/New York/gangster/De Niro/Pacinoed out.
A boiled blood soup for some sort of Roman "Latter Day' soap opera;-
>Got halfway through it a couple of weeks back and gave up. Guess I'm all
>Scorsese/New York/gangster/De Niro/Pacinoed out.
and none so particular to New York, where certain conferences to
constitutional if not regional reserves of moral turpitude uniquely
intersect. A film placement Scorsese, for one, would certainly not
attempt just anywhere, say Britain among smaller European countries
(to exclude, in entirely, an Italy/Sicilian manner of tradition).
A base if rather substantial dish: Sprinkled to a float of diced
chives help brighten overall a bowl cooked best served brown.
JG Rove
Mar 12, 2020, 7:34:12 PM3/12/20
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On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Bill Anderson wrote:
> I started watching at 9 o’clock last night thinking that as it’s a 3 1/2 hour movie I’d probably sit through maybe half of it and the other half some other time. At 12:30 AM I found myself wondering where the time had gone. The movie was terrific, De Niro was magnificent, and Pacino didn’t ham it up too much. While the movie’s facts may be questionable, its brilliance as a story well told is not. Scorsese scores again.
With the DVD being released, it will be easier to watch in many sittings.
> I started watching at 9 o’clock last night thinking that as it’s a 3 1/2 hour movie I’d probably sit through maybe half of it and the other half some other time. At 12:30 AM I found myself wondering where the time had gone. The movie was terrific, De Niro was magnificent, and Pacino didn’t ham it up too much. While the movie’s facts may be questionable, its brilliance as a story well told is not. Scorsese scores again.
JG Rove
Dec 9, 2020, 9:00:28 PM12/9/20
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The food pairing is deep dish Malnatis pizza.
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