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Mark Leeper
Jul 13, 2014, 12:52:09 PM7/13/14
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DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
(a film review by Mark R. Leeper)
CAPSULE: With a story that asks once again "why can't
we all get along?" we have the special-effects-laden
account of human epidemic survivors coming into
conflict with apes of human-level intelligence. More
intelligence and less fighting could have made this a
better film. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4) or 7/10
DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES is the second film in Fox's reboot
of their Planet of the Apes series. The first series had CONQUEST
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES followed by BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE
APES. The sounds out of order to me. If the planet were conquered
why would there still be a battle for it? Here again we have RISE
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES (2011) followed by DAWN OF THE PLANET OF
THE APES (2014). Are we to believe the planet rose before dawn?
The newest chapter starts where the coda in the credits of the last
film left off. The Simian Flu virus is spreading around the world.
The virus is deadly to most humans but makes apes more intelligent.
Flash forward ten years and we learn a few humans were genetically
immune to the virus. They have been through a holocaust left to
the imagination and perhaps sadly never depicted. Meanwhile a
society of good solid salt-of-the-earth super-apes are living in
Muir Woods not far from the Golden Gate Bridge whose high towers
they climb so gracefully. They use the bridge towers as a sentry
point to defend their colony.
The apes are led by Caesar (played Andy Serkis made with motion
capture to look like an ape with human facial expressions). The
apes do not even believe that any humans survived the virus until a
handful of them show up in their woods. It seems that some of the
human survivors have set up a small community in what used to be
San Francisco. With permission to go through the ape-controlled
wood they could get to the hydroelectric dam and provide power to
local humans and, incidentally, apes. Getting along together,
humans and apes, would be a win-win situation, but peace between
species is a delicate thing and an unstable equilibrium.
I have to admit that I ruined this film for myself. From very
early on in the film I started seeing the story of a well-
intentioned but didactic 1950s Western. You have the settlers and
the cavalry on one side and the Native Americans on the other. You
have a bunch of people on each side trying to bring peace and you
have troublemakers and you have troublemakers on both sides trying
to stir people up so they will fight. Seeing the film in that
light shows off every cliche and there are a lot. And if the
viewer does not pick up on the Native American parallels the ape
fighters even wear war paint. Seen from that light this may be a
cutting edge science fiction film, but it is one with a Western
plot that was worn out fifty years ago.
The big attraction of *RISE* OF THE PLANET OF THE APES was Caesar,
an ape with human and hence readable expressions. That took him a
long way in winning the audience sympathy. In *DAWN* OF THE PLANET
OF THE APES his expression is again readable. It just is no fun.
His face is a constant scowl. He has been frequently mistreated by
humans, and it looks like that experience has made him mean. But
he is really just the care-worn but wise leader of the apes. Koba
(Toby Kebbell) a human-scarred bonobo is the real angry ape. These
two apes, and most of the others, are dark in personality. Like
the film in general, the forest dwellers are solemn and humorless.
The apes are a perfect complement to a San Francisco that seems
constantly rainy and overcast.
The film is directed by Matt Reeves, best known for helming LET ME
IN, the Hammer Films remake of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN. As with RISE
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, the script is written by Rick Jaffa,
Amanda Silver, and Mark Bomback, at a higher quality and more
believable level than the original series. Unlike the "X-Men"
films, even if you missed the predecessors in the series it is
fairly easy to get up to speed understanding what is going on. The
human peacemakers are played by Jason Clarke and Keri Russell,
neither of whom have enough screen presence to steal a scene from a
manhole cover, let alone a CGI ape.
In spite of the marvelous CGI lavished on this production to make
the apes look like apes, they anatomically seem to have the
dimensions of humans. I guess the legs are too straight and too
long and the spines are too straight. My theory is that with all
the effects thrown into the film, there would still be too many
apes to do with CGI alone so they still put humans into ape suits.
That was how they did all the apes of the first series. Human
proportions were not so noticeable in RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES, but there are a *lot* of apes in DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES and they cannot give each the attention it requires.
One thing that is of interest in this reboot of the "Planet of the
Apes" series is that while the two newer films can be their own
series, they also work as a continuation of the older series. In
that series there was always a question to how apes and humans
could so exactly change places. The apes live in the wide world
and the humans are put in cages and zoos. The DAWN OF THE PLANET
OF THE APES rather neatly goes a long way to answer that question.
Switching places could easily be the future of the apes and humans
in the new film. At this point they are pretty close to being on
an even footing. We are left at the end with a world in which
there will be more war between apes and humans and the odds are
fairly even. That alone adds interest to this film. Sadly, we
know in advance too much of where the series is going. I rate DAWN
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES a low +2 on the -4 to +4 scale or 7/10.
Film Credits: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103281/combined>
What others are saying:
<http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dawn_of_the_planet_of_the_apes/>
Mark R. Leeper
Copyright 2014 Mark R. Leeper
(a film review by Mark R. Leeper)
CAPSULE: With a story that asks once again "why can't
we all get along?" we have the special-effects-laden
account of human epidemic survivors coming into
conflict with apes of human-level intelligence. More
intelligence and less fighting could have made this a
better film. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4) or 7/10
DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES is the second film in Fox's reboot
of their Planet of the Apes series. The first series had CONQUEST
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES followed by BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE
APES. The sounds out of order to me. If the planet were conquered
why would there still be a battle for it? Here again we have RISE
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES (2011) followed by DAWN OF THE PLANET OF
THE APES (2014). Are we to believe the planet rose before dawn?
The newest chapter starts where the coda in the credits of the last
film left off. The Simian Flu virus is spreading around the world.
The virus is deadly to most humans but makes apes more intelligent.
Flash forward ten years and we learn a few humans were genetically
immune to the virus. They have been through a holocaust left to
the imagination and perhaps sadly never depicted. Meanwhile a
society of good solid salt-of-the-earth super-apes are living in
Muir Woods not far from the Golden Gate Bridge whose high towers
they climb so gracefully. They use the bridge towers as a sentry
point to defend their colony.
The apes are led by Caesar (played Andy Serkis made with motion
capture to look like an ape with human facial expressions). The
apes do not even believe that any humans survived the virus until a
handful of them show up in their woods. It seems that some of the
human survivors have set up a small community in what used to be
San Francisco. With permission to go through the ape-controlled
wood they could get to the hydroelectric dam and provide power to
local humans and, incidentally, apes. Getting along together,
humans and apes, would be a win-win situation, but peace between
species is a delicate thing and an unstable equilibrium.
I have to admit that I ruined this film for myself. From very
early on in the film I started seeing the story of a well-
intentioned but didactic 1950s Western. You have the settlers and
the cavalry on one side and the Native Americans on the other. You
have a bunch of people on each side trying to bring peace and you
have troublemakers and you have troublemakers on both sides trying
to stir people up so they will fight. Seeing the film in that
light shows off every cliche and there are a lot. And if the
viewer does not pick up on the Native American parallels the ape
fighters even wear war paint. Seen from that light this may be a
cutting edge science fiction film, but it is one with a Western
plot that was worn out fifty years ago.
The big attraction of *RISE* OF THE PLANET OF THE APES was Caesar,
an ape with human and hence readable expressions. That took him a
long way in winning the audience sympathy. In *DAWN* OF THE PLANET
OF THE APES his expression is again readable. It just is no fun.
His face is a constant scowl. He has been frequently mistreated by
humans, and it looks like that experience has made him mean. But
he is really just the care-worn but wise leader of the apes. Koba
(Toby Kebbell) a human-scarred bonobo is the real angry ape. These
two apes, and most of the others, are dark in personality. Like
the film in general, the forest dwellers are solemn and humorless.
The apes are a perfect complement to a San Francisco that seems
constantly rainy and overcast.
The film is directed by Matt Reeves, best known for helming LET ME
IN, the Hammer Films remake of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN. As with RISE
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, the script is written by Rick Jaffa,
Amanda Silver, and Mark Bomback, at a higher quality and more
believable level than the original series. Unlike the "X-Men"
films, even if you missed the predecessors in the series it is
fairly easy to get up to speed understanding what is going on. The
human peacemakers are played by Jason Clarke and Keri Russell,
neither of whom have enough screen presence to steal a scene from a
manhole cover, let alone a CGI ape.
In spite of the marvelous CGI lavished on this production to make
the apes look like apes, they anatomically seem to have the
dimensions of humans. I guess the legs are too straight and too
long and the spines are too straight. My theory is that with all
the effects thrown into the film, there would still be too many
apes to do with CGI alone so they still put humans into ape suits.
That was how they did all the apes of the first series. Human
proportions were not so noticeable in RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES, but there are a *lot* of apes in DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES and they cannot give each the attention it requires.
One thing that is of interest in this reboot of the "Planet of the
Apes" series is that while the two newer films can be their own
series, they also work as a continuation of the older series. In
that series there was always a question to how apes and humans
could so exactly change places. The apes live in the wide world
and the humans are put in cages and zoos. The DAWN OF THE PLANET
OF THE APES rather neatly goes a long way to answer that question.
Switching places could easily be the future of the apes and humans
in the new film. At this point they are pretty close to being on
an even footing. We are left at the end with a world in which
there will be more war between apes and humans and the odds are
fairly even. That alone adds interest to this film. Sadly, we
know in advance too much of where the series is going. I rate DAWN
OF THE PLANET OF THE APES a low +2 on the -4 to +4 scale or 7/10.
Film Credits: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103281/combined>
What others are saying:
<http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dawn_of_the_planet_of_the_apes/>
Mark R. Leeper
Copyright 2014 Mark R. Leeper
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Russell Watson
Jul 20, 2014, 11:18:41 AM7/20/14
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On 7/20/2014 2:14 AM, Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Mark R. Leeper <mle...@optonline.net> was all, like:
> --> Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:06:43 -0400 <op.xix3l...@mail-hub.optonline.net>
> didn't ruin the film for me. I suspect I've seen a lot fewer of these
> than you have, however.
> motion capture suit and a lot of computers, but the fact is, he moves
> and acts like a real... well, person.
> a scowl. Early in the film when he is considering what to do, you see
> the range of emotions flicker through his eyes as he considers the
> options.
>
> The only ape I had an issue with was Blue Eyes who seemed to me a little
> too much the wide-eyed innocent early on.
> she doesn't show up as much more than background until a good third
> through the movie.
> of hand tools and weapons. They *are* moving more like humans because
> they are behaving and thinking more like humans.
That was my take also. They had 10 years of using their hands for
manipulating tools and weapons to get accustomed to not walking on their
knuckles.
>
> One thing I would add is that the social behaviors of the apes are
> dead-on accurate. The bloody fights among some of the chimps are how
> chimps settle their differences (while gorillas and orangutans are much
> more bluster and fury and very little violence). Chimps are mean,
> violent, war-life, and dangerous. they are also calculating and sneaky.
> They are, after all, our closest relatives. It is good that the violent
> apes are shown accurately and that we have that conflict within Caesar
> of trying to behave like the "good ape" he was taught to be, but also
> asserting his dominance.
>
> The scenes with Koba when he is with the men at Fort Point are another
> highlight for me where we see Koba decide to act like the "funny monkey"
> to advance his cause.
Koba was "shuckin' 'n' jivin'" for "The Man" and as he walked away the
"Stupid white folks..." look on his face was classic.
>
> There's quite a bit going on in this film, and a lot of it is certainly
> holding up an ape-faced mirror to ourselves, but I never found it heavy
> handed and I never though the actions of the characters on screen were
> just to serve a pre-determined plot. Everyone makes his choices, and
> they all seem like reasonable ones to that character.
>
> The only thing that I would have changed in the film is a scene when the
> power comes back on and there is a short musical interlude. The song
> playing should have obviously been "Doctor Zaius".
>
>
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Mark R. Leeper <mle...@optonline.net> was all, like:
> --> Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:06:43 -0400 <op.xix3l...@mail-hub.optonline.net>
>> I have to admit that I ruined this film for myself. From very
>> early on in the film I started seeing the story of a well-
>> intentioned but didactic 1950s Western. You have the settlers and
>> the cavalry on one side and the Native Americans on the other. You
>> have a bunch of people on each side trying to bring peace and you
>> have troublemakers and you have troublemakers on both sides trying
>> to stir people up so they will fight. Seeing the film in that
>> light shows off every cliche and there are a lot. And if the
>> viewer does not pick up on the Native American parallels the ape
>> fighters even wear war paint. Seen from that light this may be a
>> cutting edge science fiction film, but it is one with a Western
>> plot that was worn out fifty years ago.
>
> I say it very much as a "Cowboys & Injuns" western as well, but it
>> early on in the film I started seeing the story of a well-
>> intentioned but didactic 1950s Western. You have the settlers and
>> the cavalry on one side and the Native Americans on the other. You
>> have a bunch of people on each side trying to bring peace and you
>> have troublemakers and you have troublemakers on both sides trying
>> to stir people up so they will fight. Seeing the film in that
>> light shows off every cliche and there are a lot. And if the
>> viewer does not pick up on the Native American parallels the ape
>> fighters even wear war paint. Seen from that light this may be a
>> cutting edge science fiction film, but it is one with a Western
>> plot that was worn out fifty years ago.
>
> didn't ruin the film for me. I suspect I've seen a lot fewer of these
> than you have, however.
>
>> The big attraction of *RISE* OF THE PLANET OF THE APES was Caesar,
>
> Absolutely. Andy Serkis is simply amazing on screen. Yes, I know he's a
>> The big attraction of *RISE* OF THE PLANET OF THE APES was Caesar,
>
> motion capture suit and a lot of computers, but the fact is, he moves
> and acts like a real... well, person.
>
>> an ape with human and hence readable expressions. That took him a
>> long way in winning the audience sympathy. In *DAWN* OF THE PLANET
>> OF THE APES his expression is again readable. It just is no fun.
>> His face is a constant scowl. He has been frequently mistreated by
>> humans, and it looks like that experience has made him mean. But
>> he is really just the care-worn but wise leader of the apes.
>
> I took his demeanor much more as "Heavy lies the crown" rather than just
>> an ape with human and hence readable expressions. That took him a
>> long way in winning the audience sympathy. In *DAWN* OF THE PLANET
>> OF THE APES his expression is again readable. It just is no fun.
>> His face is a constant scowl. He has been frequently mistreated by
>> humans, and it looks like that experience has made him mean. But
>> he is really just the care-worn but wise leader of the apes.
>
> a scowl. Early in the film when he is considering what to do, you see
> the range of emotions flicker through his eyes as he considers the
> options.
>
> The only ape I had an issue with was Blue Eyes who seemed to me a little
> too much the wide-eyed innocent early on.
>
>> The film is directed by Matt Reeves, best known for helming LET ME
>> IN, the Hammer Films remake of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN. As with RISE
>> OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, the script is written by Rick Jaffa,
>> Amanda Silver, and Mark Bomback, at a higher quality and more
>> believable level than the original series. Unlike the "X-Men"
>> films, even if you missed the predecessors in the series it is
>> fairly easy to get up to speed understanding what is going on. The
>> human peacemakers are played by Jason Clarke and Keri Russell,
>> neither of whom have enough screen presence to steal a scene from a
>> manhole cover, let alone a CGI ape.
>
> I found Keri Russell's performance very good and very believable, though
>> The film is directed by Matt Reeves, best known for helming LET ME
>> IN, the Hammer Films remake of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN. As with RISE
>> OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, the script is written by Rick Jaffa,
>> Amanda Silver, and Mark Bomback, at a higher quality and more
>> believable level than the original series. Unlike the "X-Men"
>> films, even if you missed the predecessors in the series it is
>> fairly easy to get up to speed understanding what is going on. The
>> human peacemakers are played by Jason Clarke and Keri Russell,
>> neither of whom have enough screen presence to steal a scene from a
>> manhole cover, let alone a CGI ape.
>
> she doesn't show up as much more than background until a good third
> through the movie.
>
>> In spite of the marvelous CGI lavished on this production to make
>> the apes look like apes, they anatomically seem to have the
>> dimensions of humans. I guess the legs are too straight and too
>> long and the spines are too straight. My theory is that with all
>> the effects thrown into the film, there would still be too many
>> apes to do with CGI alone so they still put humans into ape suits.
>> That was how they did all the apes of the first series. Human
>> proportions were not so noticeable in RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE
>> APES, but there are a *lot* of apes in DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE
>> APES and they cannot give each the attention it requires.
>
> I took this to be a change in their posture made necessary by their use
>> In spite of the marvelous CGI lavished on this production to make
>> the apes look like apes, they anatomically seem to have the
>> dimensions of humans. I guess the legs are too straight and too
>> long and the spines are too straight. My theory is that with all
>> the effects thrown into the film, there would still be too many
>> apes to do with CGI alone so they still put humans into ape suits.
>> That was how they did all the apes of the first series. Human
>> proportions were not so noticeable in RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE
>> APES, but there are a *lot* of apes in DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE
>> APES and they cannot give each the attention it requires.
>
> of hand tools and weapons. They *are* moving more like humans because
> they are behaving and thinking more like humans.
That was my take also. They had 10 years of using their hands for
manipulating tools and weapons to get accustomed to not walking on their
knuckles.
>
> One thing I would add is that the social behaviors of the apes are
> dead-on accurate. The bloody fights among some of the chimps are how
> chimps settle their differences (while gorillas and orangutans are much
> more bluster and fury and very little violence). Chimps are mean,
> violent, war-life, and dangerous. they are also calculating and sneaky.
> They are, after all, our closest relatives. It is good that the violent
> apes are shown accurately and that we have that conflict within Caesar
> of trying to behave like the "good ape" he was taught to be, but also
> asserting his dominance.
>
> The scenes with Koba when he is with the men at Fort Point are another
> highlight for me where we see Koba decide to act like the "funny monkey"
> to advance his cause.
Koba was "shuckin' 'n' jivin'" for "The Man" and as he walked away the
"Stupid white folks..." look on his face was classic.
>
> There's quite a bit going on in this film, and a lot of it is certainly
> holding up an ape-faced mirror to ourselves, but I never found it heavy
> handed and I never though the actions of the characters on screen were
> just to serve a pre-determined plot. Everyone makes his choices, and
> they all seem like reasonable ones to that character.
>
> The only thing that I would have changed in the film is a scene when the
> power comes back on and there is a short musical interlude. The song
> playing should have obviously been "Doctor Zaius".
>
>
Will Dockery
Sep 20, 2014, 9:27:54 AM9/20/14
to
Mark Leeper wrote:
> DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> (a film review by Mark R. Leeper)
>
> CAPSULE: With a story that asks once again "why can't
> we all get along?" we have the special-effects-laden
> account of human epidemic survivors coming into
> conflict with apes of human-level intelligence. More
> intelligence and less fighting could have made this a
> better film. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4) or 7/10
<snip for focus>
> DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
>
> (a film review by Mark R. Leeper)
>
> CAPSULE: With a story that asks once again "why can't
> we all get along?" we have the special-effects-laden
> account of human epidemic survivors coming into
> conflict with apes of human-level intelligence. More
> intelligence and less fighting could have made this a
> better film. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4) or 7/10
> The film is directed by Matt Reeves, best known for helming LET ME
> IN, the Hammer Films remake of LET THE RIGHT ONE IN. As with RISE
> OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, the script is written by Rick Jaffa,
> Amanda Silver, and Mark Bomback, at a higher quality and more
> believable level than the original series.
And yes, I see I am not the only one missing the credit that Pierre Boulle should have gotten in the new film:
"...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the concept or the characters."
I just read that they will be adding credit to Pierre Boulle again on the next movie, since I'm not the only one complaining!
http://greercn.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/
"It would be nice if writer Pierre Boulle was given more credit, since it's his 1963 book that first explored the ideas here. He's been dead since 1994, so he probably won't sue, but his credit here is an afterthought." -Greercn
Looks like the announced sequel (third film) will put the story right at where the Boulle novel and the Heston film first introduced it all:
http://www.geekexchange.com/planet-of-the-apes-3-gets-release-date-126549.html
"Matt Reeves, the director behind Dawn... will also have a writing credit along with Mark Bomback and Pierre Boulle, the author of the book the storied franchise is based on."
That should be interesting...
Mark Leeper
Sep 21, 2014, 7:57:37 AM9/21/14
to
To be honest I didn't notice that they did not mention Boulle. Somehow I doubt that was intentional.
-- Mark
-- Mark
Nick
Sep 21, 2014, 8:36:01 AM9/21/14
to
On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:27:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> "...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the concept or the characters."
>
In Boulle's novel, don't the apes have cars, TVs and skyscrapers? It'll never happen but someone should do an animated feature faithful to the original novel.
>
> "...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the concept or the characters."
>
I just want this rebooted franchise to take us to where the original franchise was, with humans enslaved and unable to speak. I don't want any more apes vs. humans Walking Dead style movies, even though Dawn was pretty good.
Invid Fan
Sep 21, 2014, 2:51:59 PM9/21/14
to
In article <0317c965-99fc-4fb4...@googlegroups.com>,
bought the rights to Boulle's book, had Apes in a modern setting. That
allowed them to just use normal sets :) Sandy Frank edited a few
episodes into the movie "Time of the Apes", which appeared on MST3K.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
Nick <nick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:27:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >
> > "...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that
> > nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of
> > The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the
> > concept or the characters."
> >
> In Boulle's novel, don't the apes have cars, TVs and skyscrapers? It'll
> never happen but someone should do an animated feature faithful to the
> original novel.
>
The Japanese TV series "Army of the Apes", for which they actually
> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:27:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >
> > "...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that
> > nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of
> > The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the
> > concept or the characters."
> >
> In Boulle's novel, don't the apes have cars, TVs and skyscrapers? It'll
> never happen but someone should do an animated feature faithful to the
> original novel.
>
bought the rights to Boulle's book, had Apes in a modern setting. That
allowed them to just use normal sets :) Sandy Frank edited a few
episodes into the movie "Time of the Apes", which appeared on MST3K.
--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
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pgpe...@gmail.com
Nov 2, 2014, 8:43:22 PM11/2/14
to
On Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:50:45 PM UTC-5, Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Nick <nick...@gmail.com> was all, like:
> the movie was much better. May orders of magnitude better. The
> difference, to allude to Mr Twain, between lightning and a lightning bug.
>
> --
> 'Where's the gritsucker? And the rock?' 'Ah,' said Vimes, 'you are
> referring to those representative members of our fellow sapient races
> who have chosen to throw in their lots with the people of this city?' 'I
> mean the dwarf and the troll,' said Quirke. --Men at Arms
Obviously you (above) don't remember the book *at all*. The ending was
equal to if not better than the 1968 movie w/ Heston. The book ending
is multilayered and at least as stunning as the movie ending. Maybe
you're thinking of the comic book.... OMG, read the frickin novel.
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Nick <nick...@gmail.com> was all, like:
> > On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:27:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >>
> >> "...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the concept or the characters."
> >>
> > In Boulle's novel, don't the apes have cars, TVs and skyscrapers?
> > It'll never happen but someone should do an animated feature faithful
> > to the original novel.
>
> The only thing I really remember about the book was that the ending in
>
> >>
> >> "...I do have to note how disappointing it is for me (however mildly) that nowhere in the credits is either the late Pierre Boulle (original Planet Of The Apes author) or producer Arthur P. Jacobs given real credit for the concept or the characters."
> >>
> > In Boulle's novel, don't the apes have cars, TVs and skyscrapers?
> > It'll never happen but someone should do an animated feature faithful
> > to the original novel.
>
> the movie was much better. May orders of magnitude better. The
> difference, to allude to Mr Twain, between lightning and a lightning bug.
>
> --
> 'Where's the gritsucker? And the rock?' 'Ah,' said Vimes, 'you are
> referring to those representative members of our fellow sapient races
> who have chosen to throw in their lots with the people of this city?' 'I
> mean the dwarf and the troll,' said Quirke. --Men at Arms
Obviously you (above) don't remember the book *at all*. The ending was
equal to if not better than the 1968 movie w/ Heston. The book ending
is multilayered and at least as stunning as the movie ending. Maybe
you're thinking of the comic book.... OMG, read the frickin novel.
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Invid Fan
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In article <m38q7k$u07$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, RichA
I remember it, and I haven't read the book in 30 years. The bookend
scenes obviously wouldn't have worked in the film, given it's depending
on the reader/viewer not knowing what the characters look like, but I'd
have preferred the original ending. The scene of Nova and their child
fleeing back to the spaceship after Taylor takes them back to Earth
would have been fun to see.
scenes obviously wouldn't have worked in the film, given it's depending
on the reader/viewer not knowing what the characters look like, but I'd
have preferred the original ending. The scene of Nova and their child
fleeing back to the spaceship after Taylor takes them back to Earth
would have been fun to see.
Will Dockery
Nov 18, 2014, 8:41:48 AM11/18/14
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TB
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An ape colony in Muir Woods and a human colony in SF come into contact when the humans seek to put the power generators at a dam in ape territory back into service. The humans succeed, but an ape named Koba shoots ape leader Caesar and launches an attack on the human colony. A human named Malcolm and his family treat Caesar, and Caesar wrests back control of the apes, but both Malcolm and Caesar conclude that its too late to avert war between humans and apes, so Caesar and his troop must flee. I would suggest that Malcolm and his family go WITH Caesar to help him boost his defenses and intercede with any other humans who show up.
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An ape colony in Muir Woods and a human colony in SF come into contact when the humans seek to put the power generators at a dam in ape territory back into service. The humans succeed, but an ape named Koba shoots ape leader Caesar and launches an attack on the human colony. A human named Malcolm and his family treat Caesar, and Caesar wrests back control of the apes, but both Malcolm and Caesar conclude that its too late to avert war between humans and apes, so Caesar and his troop must flee. I would suggest that Malcolm and his family go WITH Caesar to help him boost his defenses and intercede with any other humans who show up.
TB
May 24, 2015, 10:52:17 PM5/24/15
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TB
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On Sunday, July 13, 2014 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-7, Mark Leeper wrote:
> DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
> (a film review by Mark R. Leeper)
>
> CAPSULE: With a story that asks once again "why can't
> we all get along?" we have the special-effects-laden
> account of human epidemic survivors coming into
> conflict with apes of human-level intelligence. More
> intelligence and less fighting could have made this a
> better film. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4) or 7/10
>
Great dialogue: Koba to Caesar: Ape not kill ape. Caesar: You are not ape (then lets him fall to his death off of a tower). Koba and Caesar had just finished a fight for leadership of the apes. Earlier, Koba had shot
> DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
> (a film review by Mark R. Leeper)
>
> CAPSULE: With a story that asks once again "why can't
> we all get along?" we have the special-effects-laden
> account of human epidemic survivors coming into
> conflict with apes of human-level intelligence. More
> intelligence and less fighting could have made this a
> better film. Rating: low +2 (-4 to +4) or 7/10
>
Caesar, then led an ape attack against the human colony in SF.
When Koba shot Caesar, Caesar remained standing for several seconds before falling. Why didn't he scream "Koba shot me!"? After all, he had gotten a good look at Koba before being shot, and remained conscious for long enough that he could have uttered several words.
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