Alice in Wonderland: the Dark & Creepy version
TBerk
Beetlejuice and Nightmare before Christmas.
Tim, tim, tim. wth?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/culture/detail?entry_id=42236
berk
berk
I forgot to mention, he caused me to coin: 'beautiful-ugly' as a term
to describe his style.
berk
Derek Janssen
You misspelled "The Dopey, Over-mined Goth-Wannabe Version By Those Who
Haven't Read The Book Too Deeply, But Went for Recycling the Easy
Tim-Fan Shticks Because the Fanboys Thought They Knew What It Would Look
Like Before He Did".
(...IOW, pretty much a recent Tim Burton movie, then.)
Derek Janssen (who doesn't claim the 1972 Fiona Fullerton version was
*perfect* in its text-transcript faithfulness, but at least it got the
jokes)
eja...@verizon.net
Derek Janssen
> I forgot to mention, he caused me to coin: 'beautiful-ugly' as a term
> to describe his style.
The "Looking Glass" White Queen as an ethereal Anne Hathaway angel in white?
No. No, no, no, no, no. NO. Reading is fundamental. -_-
Derek Janssen ("I'll tell you a secret: I can read words of one letter!")
eja...@verizon.net
Bill Steele
<ad2d7f5f-c0af-4e0b...@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
TBerk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Shrinking and growing and being surrounded by insane people and attacked
by playing cards isn't already dark and creepy?
Derek Janssen
>
>>...as envisioned b the guy who messed up Batman and brought us
>>Beetlejuice and Nightmare before Christmas.
>>
>>Tim, tim, tim. wth?
>>
>>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/culture/detail?entry_id=42236
>
> by playing cards isn't already dark and creepy?
Um, not particularly, no--
Overused Jefferson Airplane songs aside, Lewis was...just trying to be
funny.
Particularly--as Python fans will attest--it's always those *most*
intellectually interested in mathematic logic who have the keenest sense
for constructing satirical absurdism.
Or, as Carroll himself put it in one letter to a fan, "It's possible
that one could believe the story, but I recommend that one doesn't
believe it too much for now, as I fear doing so might put too much
harmful strain on the brain muscles....Only last week, a friend of mine
tried to give his a healthy workout by believing 'Jack & the Beanstalk'
in one go, but the unfortunate side effect was that he left the house
the next day in the rain without remembering to take his hat or
umbrella, and now he complains that all the curl has gone out of his hair."
(Oh, yeah, uh-huh--THIS guy was on psychotropic mushrooms, sure.) 9_9
Derek Janssen (sorry to disappoint the wishful stoners out there, but...)
eja...@verizon.net
nick
To repeat what others are saying, why does Johnny Depp's Mad Hatter
look like Elijah Wood?
moviePig
E. Scissorhands, Willy Wonka, Sweeney Todd, and now The Mad Hatter.
Depp must've felt that escaping Tim Burton to do PIRATES was a return
to adult drama... (in a makeup-free zone...)
--
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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
Derek Janssen
> On Jun 23, 8:53 pm, TBerk <bayareab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>...as envisioned b the guy who messed up Batman and brought us
>>Beetlejuice and Nightmare before Christmas.
>>
>>Tim, tim, tim. wth?
>>
>>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/culture/detail?entry_id=42236
>
> look like Elijah Wood?
Big hobbit eyes. O_O
So, how many old recycled Tim Burton films can YOU spot in the pics?
Already, I've only spotted the topiaries from "Edward Scissorhands", the
Corpse Kid and twisted rickety fences from "Nightmare Before Christmas",
and Johnny Depp and HBC in corpse-white makeup from...just about every
film Tim's put them in.
Derek Janssen (not saying Tim's in a *rut*, or anything...)
eja...@verizon.net
Alric Knebel
"TBerk" <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on this looks
pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it. I think
this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
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Alric Knebel
Arthur
I seem to recall a really dark and creepy version that already has
been made. Perhaps with puppets? I couldn't find it on IMDB, but I
don't recall the actual title.
moviePig
> "TBerk" <bayareab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ad2d7f5f-c0af-4e0b...@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...as envisioned b the guy who messed up Batman and brought us
> > Beetlejuice and Nightmare before Christmas.
>
> > Tim, tim, tim. wth?
>
> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/culture/detail?entry_id=42236
>
> Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on this looks
> pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it. I think
> this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
Like you, I expect this movie may well entertain today's audiences
considerably more than a faithful rendering of the book would... but I
still have mixed feelings about calling it 'Alice In Wonderland'.
(Well, otoh, at least they're not calling it 'Lewis Carroll's Alice In
Wonderland'...)
Derek Janssen
> On Jun 24, 8:04 pm, "Alric Knebel" <alric195...@cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on this looks
>>pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it. I think
>>this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
So tell us, how much existing baggage did you bring when reading it? 9_9
(Me, I read it as a kid, and got the jokes as they were properly
intended to be got--
Of course, it took a while to get a few of the jokes, like the Cheshire
Cat's exchange with Alice, but bad puns throughout are universal.)
> Like you, I expect this movie may well entertain today's audiences
> considerably more than a faithful rendering of the book would... but I
> still have mixed feelings about calling it 'Alice In Wonderland'.
> (Well, otoh, at least they're not calling it 'Lewis Carroll's Alice In
> Wonderland'...)
Oh, don't worry, I think we're reasonably assured of it coming out as
"Tim Burton's 'Alice in Wonderland'"--
As it seems to be either in his contract, or ordained by the holy
fanboys, that his name be part of the title on *all* his films, even
when Mike Johnson or Henry Selick directs them.
(Not unlike John Hughes or Wes Craven.)
...Still, at least we didn't get "Tim Burton's 'Coraline'".
Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net
trotsky
> On Jun 24, 8:04 pm, "Alric Knebel" <alric195...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> "TBerk" <bayareab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ad2d7f5f-c0af-4e0b...@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> ...as envisioned b the guy who messed up Batman and brought us
>>> Beetlejuice and Nightmare before Christmas.
>>> Tim, tim, tim. wth?
>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/culture/detail?entry_id=42236
>> Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on this looks
>> pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it. I think
>> this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
>
> Like you, I expect this movie may well entertain today's audiences
> considerably more than a faithful rendering of the book would...
What makes you say that a "dark and creepy version" isn't a "faithful
rendering"?
moviePig
Well, not unless you believe the pedophilia rumors...
trotsky
I've read AIW and it can be best described as an acid trip. I don't
think any version can be too weird vis a vis the book.
Alric Knebel
"Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:19C0m.1069$NF6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> moviePig wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 8:04 pm, "Alric Knebel" <alric195...@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on this
>>>looks
>>>pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it. I
>>>think
>>>this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
>
> So tell us, how much existing baggage did you bring when reading it? 9_9
I have no idea what sort of baggage a person might carry that would
prejudice them against this book. I don't remember the humor being
particularly funny. Maybe I didn't get all the puns. Who knows. The main
thing is, it just wasn't an interesting book after the first few pages. The
tone was monotonous and every sentence seemed to have the same cadence (if
there was a variation, it was so brief, it didn't effect the overall sense
of it). It is, evidently a CHILDREN'S book, so maybe that was it, I read it
as a grownup. You might consider that baggage.
> (Me, I read it as a kid, and got the jokes as they were properly intended
> to be got--
Intended to be got? What were the jokes about?
> Of course, it took a while to get a few of the jokes, like the Cheshire
> Cat's exchange with Alice, but bad puns throughout are universal.)
I don't recall a single thing about all of this. I read it, and mentally
put it in the out bin. All that remains of the memory is what I felt, and I
didn't like it. There are books I remember some lines of for years. While
I'm reading them, I'm totally engaged. In this book, I became disconnected
early on, as it was all dull (jokes or not). It'll make a better movie, as
you'll have those dazzling visuals.
>> Like you, I expect this movie may well entertain today's audiences
>> considerably more than a faithful rendering of the book would... but I
>> still have mixed feelings about calling it 'Alice In Wonderland'.
>> (Well, otoh, at least they're not calling it 'Lewis Carroll's Alice In
>> Wonderland'...)
>
> Oh, don't worry, I think we're reasonably assured of it coming out as "Tim
> Burton's 'Alice in Wonderland'"--
> As it seems to be either in his contract, or ordained by the holy fanboys,
> that his name be part of the title on *all* his films, even when Mike
> Johnson or Henry Selick directs them.
> (Not unlike John Hughes or Wes Craven.)
>
> ...Still, at least we didn't get "Tim Burton's 'Coraline'".
Maybe I have a soft spot for his visionary style, but from what I can see, a
Tim Burton film definitely looks like a Tim Burton film, and I like that
look. That said, I don't see that he has his name as part of the titles
that often. If fact, it's rare.
--
_____________________________
Alric Knebel
Alric Knebel
"moviePig" <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
Like you, I expect this movie may well entertain today's audiences
considerably more than a faithful rendering of the book would... but I
still have mixed feelings about calling it 'Alice In Wonderland'.
(Well, otoh, at least they're not calling it 'Lewis Carroll's Alice In
Wonderland'...)
_____________
Response:
That would have been according to the trend. But in this case, the nature
of this book permits some berth. It's surreal, and as long as Burton hits
the most iconic marks, he can take liberties with what happens in between.
Though I didn't care for the book and remember so little about it, I'm
looking forward to this, as it's already visually stunning.
--
_____________________________
Alric Knebel
Derek Janssen
> "Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:19C0m.1069$NF6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
>>moviePig wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 24, 8:04 pm, "Alric Knebel" <alric195...@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on this
>>>>looks
>>>>pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it. I
>>>>think
>>>>this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
>>
>>So tell us, how much existing baggage did you bring when reading it? 9_9
>
> I have no idea what sort of baggage a person might carry that would
> prejudice them against this book.
(Well, trotsky already did the "Acid trip" and "Pedophilia" jokes for a
cheap-button laff, that's about as American Tourister as you can get...)
> I don't remember the humor being
> particularly funny. Maybe I didn't get all the puns. Who knows. The main
> thing is, it just wasn't an interesting book after the first few pages. The
> tone was monotonous and every sentence seemed to have the same cadence (if
> there was a variation, it was so brief, it didn't effect the overall sense
> of it). It is, evidently a CHILDREN'S book, so maybe that was it, I read it
> as a grownup. You might consider that baggage.
>
>>(Me, I read it as a kid, and got the jokes as they were properly intended
>>to be got--
>
> Intended to be got? What were the jokes about?
One sample--
Here is the *actual* poem of "You are old, Father William" by Robert
Southey, that drove Victorian schookids up the ceiling having to
memorize for recitals (as Alice, being one, is called upon to do):
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-old-man-s-comforts-and-how-he-gained-them/
And here is Carroll's version--Think "Victorian Weird Al":
http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/1142/
(If the book isn't strong on plot, it's only because Carroll wasn't
experienced at finding a way to throw his anthology of all his
miscellanea Funny Scraps together into a coherent narrative...
Never confuse inexperienced story construction with psychotropia.)
>>Of course, it took a while to get a few of the jokes, like the Cheshire
>>Cat's exchange with Alice, but bad puns throughout are universal.)
(And although the characters are supposed to be "mad", one cannot
technically fault the logic of:
"Would you tell me which direction I ought to go?"
"That would depend on where you want to get to."
"Well, I don't really much care--"
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go."
"--So long as I get *somewhere*."
"Oh, you're sure to do THAT. If you walk long enough.")
:)
> Maybe I have a soft spot for his visionary style, but from what I can see, a
> Tim Burton film definitely looks like a Tim Burton film, and I like that
> look.
While the complaints have been that a Tim Burton film looks EXACTLY like
a Tim Burton film--or more accurately "like every single danged other
one of his films--and we sort of wish he was a little less in love with
his own "image" and didn't believe his own publicity so much.
Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net
Flasherly
>
> I seem to recall a really dark and creepy version that already has
> been made. Perhaps with puppets? I couldn't find it on IMDB, but I
> don't recall the actual title.
Picked this* up back in the day when collecting (w/ a video club
membership). It's live-action via BBC, menacing, well, just enough to
be subversively satirical, which then I suppose ought to qualify the
surreal, as updated for perchance featured-type children;- although
Peter Sellers is in it, which could be interesting (when I get around
to watching it, dare I say as much as I preferred Jeremy Irons to a
consequent ill-effect upon Lolita's montage).
Also, once upon a time, happened upon an actual letter to Alice's
character, the honorable professor Dodgeson penned, appertaining to a
future meeting with "Alice", requesting that when they should convene
together to discuss upcoming matters of weighter reception -- not
quite perhaps anything less than might a nine-year-old, nor beyond an
eleven-year-old, cognise in an exemplary state of social consciousness
seminal to forming Wonderland -- that the event be farther qualified,
as beyond any doubt she could conceivably think, otherwise, to bring
along her younger brother, whom Dodgeson referred in spirit to for a
detestably 'nasty little boy'.
Perhaps, I should think, less pertinent to an age grouping, in form,
he daily taught, whatever drudgery that might impugn;- as for whatever
else might evince such ire, in the same spirit, least focused to
attest in delight upon a child's sight, Alice's arousal incredulously
forms, duly respective of course to an aforementioned arrested
development, as staged to extemporaneous associations at times no less
humorous, than a light motives oft do belie for certain want subtle
pomposity portrays by social conventions. Although, I'm fairly
certain what he meant to say, for all of that, was well within due
surreal convictions Alice uniquely proffered to him.
* http://www.allmovie.com/work/292971
Alice in Wonderland as never before in this live-action adaptation of
the timeless tale from the BBC and director Jonathan Miller. Capturing
all of the menace and wonder of Lewis Carroll's age-old classic while
injecting the story with a pinch of subversive Victorian gothic
satire, this surreal updating of the children's fantasy classic
features an all-star cast including Sir Michael Redgrave, Sir John
Gielgud, Leo McKern, Peter Cook, Peter Sellers, and Alan Bennett.
Invid Fan
<aefd724a-27af-40f8...@l34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Arthur <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you thinking of the video game, American McGee's Alice?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee's_Alice
--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'
Derek Janssen
>>
>>I seem to recall a really dark and creepy version that already has
>>been made. Perhaps with puppets? I couldn't find it on IMDB, but I
>>don't recall the actual title.
>
> Are you thinking of the video game, American McGee's Alice?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee's_Alice
No, he's thinking of the weirdopointless Czech one:
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Alice/60000309
(Which shows you how annoying things *do* get when showoffs start trying
to "outsmart" the material and forget to get the danged jokes.)
Derek Janssen (who was about to call it "punishingly weirdo/obscure",
but the BBC Jonathan Miller version has already been mentioned)
eja...@verizon.net
Arthur
> Invid Fan wrote:
>
> >>I seem to recall a really dark and creepy version that already has
> >>been made. Perhaps with puppets? I couldn't find it on IMDB, but I
> >>don't recall the actual title.
>
> > Are you thinking of the video game, American McGee's Alice?
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee's_Alice
>
> No, he's thinking of the weirdopointless Czech one:http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Alice/60000309
Thanks, that looks like it
LookingGlass
in the case of fantasy. Different animals. If I want to *experience*
ALICE'S ADVENTURES IN WONDERLAND, I read the book...the *best* way in
my opinion. Otherwise, I will be *experiencing* AAIW through the
director's eyes, which will always be different from the book, no
matter WHO the director is.
There are a few film versions of AAIW that cleave to the book as best
as possible...and all are found wanting.
Derek Janssen
The Disney version captures the sense of humor in spirit, if not the
body of the text.
(And even makes Alice the most entertaining character, which, frankly,
even the book never bothers to do, and none of the other adaptations
have successfully managed.)
The '72 British version is just short of a word-faithful transcript of
the text, and even captures the timing of the jokes, but...drop the
musical numbers. Please. They don't have anything to do with the
onscreen action anyway.
(Except for the nice end titles, courtesy of John Barry.)
Third place goes to PBS's '83 stage version, despite Kate Burton's
distractingly *grim* readings of Alice's lines, has stars game enough to
get the jokes right--
For typecasting, always did like the already mad "My Dinner With" Andre
Gregory as an Unsettlingly Disturbed Hatter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQOT4Zp9TI
Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net
Flasherly
Rare as Tolken -- but that's fantasy of a relatively transparent
nature, written for a son stationed in the trenches of WWI, all about
battles, all about good and evil;- compared to Dodgeson, meaning,
rationale fitted reasons, and shortcuts thereof taken through the
looking-glass of a mind's developmental stage Alice fits (Dodgeson's
purpose and inspiration). One guy's a mathematician and the other's
writing the OED;- both are writing fantasy;- therefore written fantasy
will tend to exhibit some greater confidence [that it is indeed
fantasy] when unintelligibly portrayed.
Alric Knebel
I'm not sure knowing the original to compare the parody to would have made
much of a difference in my reaction to that story.
> (If the book isn't strong on plot, it's only because Carroll wasn't
> experienced at finding a way to throw his anthology of all his miscellanea
> Funny Scraps together into a coherent narrative...
> Never confuse inexperienced story construction with psychotropia.)
And that's the thing. You can TELL he's making it up as he goes along,
which became tiring.
>>>Of course, it took a while to get a few of the jokes, like the Cheshire
>>>Cat's exchange with Alice, but bad puns throughout are universal.)
>
> (And although the characters are supposed to be "mad", one cannot
> technically fault the logic of:
> "Would you tell me which direction I ought to go?"
> "That would depend on where you want to get to."
> "Well, I don't really much care--"
> "Then it doesn't matter which way you go."
> "--So long as I get *somewhere*."
> "Oh, you're sure to do THAT. If you walk long enough.")
And THAT is the exactly the thing I remember most about the book, was this
circular talking and all the dialogue being of this nature. It was tedious
after a while because the book had no real humor that wasn't droll, and
after about thirty pages, there was nothing more to see. There was no real
voice; just this author playing games with words. It was only slight more
entertaining than word scrambles.
>> Maybe I have a soft spot for his visionary style, but from what I can
>> see, a Tim Burton film definitely looks like a Tim Burton film, and I
>> like that look.
>
> While the complaints have been that a Tim Burton film looks EXACTLY like a
> Tim Burton film--or more accurately "like every single danged other one of
> his films--and we sort of wish he was a little less in love with his own
> "image" and didn't believe his own publicity so much.
BIG FISH didn't have that look, nor did MARS ATTACKS or ED WOOD. As for his
films that do bear a distinct style (which are films that have some
other-world motif), they don't look all alike; they simply look different
from everything else. And even within that distinction, they're not all
alike. PLANET OF THE APES had a dark look on the planet, but it didn't have
the same look as SLEEPY HOLLOW. But all of that stuff is part of a distinct
vision.
--
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Alric Knebel
LookingGlass
>
> "Derek Janssen" <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > While the complaints have been that a Tim Burton film looks EXACTLY like a
> > Tim Burton film--or more accurately "like every single danged other one of
> > his films--and we sort of wish he was a little less in love with his own
> > "image" and didn't believe his own publicity so much.
>
> BIG FISH didn't have that look, nor did MARS ATTACKS or ED WOOD. As for his
> films that do bear a distinct style (which are films that have some
> other-world motif), they don't look all alike; they simply look different
> from everything else. And even within that distinction, they're not all
> alike. PLANET OF THE APES had a dark look on the planet, but it didn't have
> the same look as SLEEPY HOLLOW. But all of that stuff is part of a distinct
> vision.
In a film world filled with mediocrity, car crashes, flying bodies,
and teen angst, there are a few artists whose work I look forward to
viewing/experiencing. Tim Burton, the Brothers Quay, Terry Gilliam,
Guillermo Del Toro...each has a distinctly singular vision. There will
be a *sameness* within each of their visions, and there will be a
*theme with variations* quality to their work. The *vision* will
evolve depending upon their *depth perception*. I will visit with
these gentlemen and their art.
I like what I see. I see what I like. :o)
LookingGlass
>
> In a film world filled with mediocrity, car crashes, flying bodies,
> and teen angst, there are a few artists whose work I look forward to
> viewing/experiencing. Tim Burton, the Brothers Quay, Terry Gilliam,
> Guillermo Del Toro...each has a distinctly singular vision. There will
> be a *sameness* within each of their visions, and there will be a
> *theme with variations* quality to their work. The *vision* will
> evolve depending upon their *depth perception*. I will visit with
> these gentlemen and their art.
>
> I like what I see. I see what I like. :o)
I left Julie Taymor off my list...though she is not primarily known
for her film work. Her *vision* creates sparks.
trotsky
> Alric Knebel wrote:
>
>> "Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:19C0m.1069$NF6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>>> moviePig wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 8:04 pm, "Alric Knebel" <alric195...@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny thing, I liked ALL the things you listed, and his take on
>>>>> this looks
>>>>> pretty intriguing. I read the book in the 70s. Couldn't stand it.
>>>>> I think
>>>>> this will be one case in which the movie will be better than the book.
>>>
>>> So tell us, how much existing baggage did you bring when reading it?
>>> 9_9
>>
>> I have no idea what sort of baggage a person might carry that would
>> prejudice them against this book.
>
> (Well, trotsky already did the "Acid trip" and "Pedophilia" jokes for a
> cheap-button laff, that's about as American Tourister as you can get...)
A) No one knows what-the-fuck you're trying to say, Der-ek.
B) When you get your testes reattached, you may be able to respond to me
directly!
berk
I'm tempted to say I'd see anything with Anne Hathaway in it but then
I realize I've missed Brokeback Mountain & (uh, is it...) Havok. (?)
<--- the one where her and a GF go over to the 'wrong side of the
tracks, and _stuff_happens_....
In any case, Tim Burton is a genius or some type or the other, but his
'vision' rubs me the wrong way sometimes.
berk
berk
> berk wrote:
> > I forgot to mention, he caused me to coin: 'beautiful-ugly' as a term
> > to describe his style.
>
> The "Looking Glass" White Queen as an ethereal Anne Hathaway angel in white?
>
> No. No, no, no, no, no. NO. Reading is fundamental. -_-
>
> Derek Janssen ("I'll tell you a secret: I can read words of one letter!")
> ejan...@verizon.net
Well, if you only want the pretty pictures I direct the Gentle
Reader's Google search to "Alice in Sexland". <---(btw, Not for kids.)
It's funny how one link leads to another search, and another, and
another and eventually you can end up with _somebody's_ porn parody.
berk
Invid Fan
<8b05bb7d-e41b-46db...@n11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
berk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
There's a DVD documentary on Lewis Carroll out this week, 'The Life of
Lewis Carroll', and I find the movies Netflix assumes viewers would
like interesting: Fog of War, Lost Boys of Sudan, My Flesh and Blood,
Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer...