2001 Cavaliers: I don't get it...
R Michal m
say is, "I don't get it!"
I love the Cavies, they are my absolute favorite, but it sounds like an
esoteric Gen-X music major slapped together a bunch of notes and called it a
song (and a nice "sounding" song, "Four Corners."
I've been away from RAMD for a while, so I don't know if this is an old
comment, but it really is quite unimpressive. And didn't they win this year?
Oh well, there's always 1992 Cavies!
Rob Mardock
OrlandoMike4
Drew15a
was on tour and I saw them like 10 times and I thought it was great everytime.
Melissa
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nathan
I would prefer to say it has a Mr. Rogers "trolly" theme/ozzie
osbourne feel to it. simply jammin :D. similar phrases from both are
in the show. even had limited forms of the diamond cutter that we love
so much. i thought it was standard cavies (excellence). I've
personally played their closer over and over in my VCR a billion times
because i luv it. reminds me of them in 99 with ode to joy, wonderful
adaption of well known music. similar styles of music writing in the
closer between the two as well. and that lil high step leg lift right
before they move in their opener...gorgeous man. Like cockin a gun.
and the mad snake at their first big hit...I could go on. I think its
very far from unimpressive, as well as quite the contrary.
nathan
TBT 01
Sharcast2
>Drew15a said:
>
>>Dude all I have to say it you should of saw the show. The music was great. I
>>was on tour and I saw them like 10 times and I thought it was great
>everytime.
>
>But "sawing" the show has not very muchly to do with whether he "got" the
>music
>by its lonesome.
>
>Maybe you gots to ride a Buffalo when listening to it?
>
>Your Friend,
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>Hoppie TSP
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>"Because there was always something about the Skyliners...
>and that music..."
>- Donnie Solinger
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For Christ's Sake! You will NEVER get the MUSIC until you TRY to get the show!
No?
Sharon
Kevin Gamin
> For Christ's Sake! You will NEVER get the MUSIC until you TRY to get the
> show!
But should it be that way? THAT is the question.
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Kevin "Gadget" Gamin
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Drew15a
thought the music was excellent and I still listen to the mp3 of it.
Also I believe watching the visual is a big part of understanding the music.
Should it be that way?? Thats a topic for another day. You should see the
video.
Gary Matczak
show, was truely incredible. I am not one for the fancy-schmancy stuff in
general, but this show is truely an original composition writen for DRUM
CORPS, and gave you many variations on a theme.......... oh, there I go
talkin fancy-schmancy............anyway, they sold me at the opener in
Buffalo in June, and three more times after that, including finals in
Buffalo. maybe it is one of those "had to be there" things.
Gary
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nathan
Michael Flory
they played...I would love to get ahold of it but cant find it on any cd's
anywear...thanks
Michael Flory
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Michael E. New
either. Dunno what to try next.
Mike New
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Corps original hound.
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Kevin Gamin
> I don't know, but, the entire prodution, the four times I saw and heard the
> show, was truely incredible. I am not one for the fancy-schmancy stuff in
> general, but this show is truely an original composition writen for DRUM
> CORPS, and gave you many variations on a theme.......... oh, there I go
> talkin fancy-schmancy............anyway, they sold me at the opener in
> Buffalo in June, and three more times after that, including finals in
> Buffalo. maybe it is one of those "had to be there" things.
>
> Gary
God knows we didn't sell much at Buffalo in June... :P
Now, Buffalo in August, at the Senior Showcase...THAT'S another story!
R Michal m
heard it rather than just one, but there is a definite BLAH factor for those
unfortunate enough to have not seen it.
You know what would have made the show even more enjoyable? Keep the visuals,
which everyone so amazingly speaks of, and change the music to something that
might be a little more entertaning... Let me rephrase,... Change the music to
something that is entertaining to everyone, not just the music snobs who love
the little blips and blurbs that drum corps have been playing for the past few
years. ( think it started with SCV's "Not the Nutcracker." They would have
been better off playing "The Nutcacker"... what a weird show)
Seriously! I'm not smoking crack here! Am I the only one who thinks the 2001
Cavies music (and the '95 SCV's "Not the Nutcracker" for that matter) is weird,
boring, and too snobby?
I hate being the only one who sees these things...
Rob
BOY1230
I'm nota music snob....funny thing is..all the people think Cavies music last
two years have been very accessible....I dont know what you arent getting, but
listening to the music of 2000, and 2001.Cavaliers have some of the most
entertaining stuff out there...andm it goes back way bfore 1995 and SCV..it
actually Started with Star, around 91-93 ish...
Geoffrey
George Dixon
>Seriously! I'm not smoking crack here! Am I the only one who thinks the
>2001
>Cavies music (and the '95 SCV's "Not the Nutcracker" for that matter) is
>weird,
>boring, and too snobby?
>I hate being the only one who sees these things...
>Rob
Rob. You're not. I didn't really find that music (Cavies) "snobby" or even
"weird", but I did find it an amature, written around the drill attempt at
best. Boring, yes. Repetitive, yes. Meaningless, yes. Forgettable, already
have.
George D
George Dixon
>I'm nota music snob....funny thing is..all the people think Cavies music last
>two years have been very accessible..
All the people? I know a lot of people who don't think that. I know a lot of
people still scratching their heads about how the Cavies got the GE music and
brass scores they got
.>but
>listening to the music of 2000, and 2001.Cavaliers have some of the most
>entertaining stuff out there
Again, I disagree. While I would classify 2000 Cavies' music as
"entertaining", 2001 bored me. The audiences around me seemed entertained by
the drill.
>it
>actually Started with Star, around 91-93 ish...
Okay, what started with Star?
George D
nathan
> Cavies music (and the '95 SCV's "Not the Nutcracker" for that matter) is weird,
> boring, and too snobby?
>
> I hate being the only one who sees these things...
> Rob
You think the CAVIES have come down with the blip/blurb syndrome? look
at like...everyone else, tell me those groups don't have it like ten
times worse, and i will promptly tell you you have flipped your lid.
with the exception of x-men, cavies, PR, and cadets (maybe BD) the
entire top 12 was a gigantic rhythm exercise. Well played or not, it
was painfully boring.
Whenever I think about most shows from this summer i am instinctively
compelled to raid my fridge and microwave a hot dog, a food i would
have eaten alot had we been allowed to eat in uniform.
nathan
TBT 01
Stefanie Kressaty
less to do with the music played and more to do with how it is arranged for
"impact."
As for Cavies this year, I think it was far from "blips and blahs" and more
closely resembled something highly entertaining (I'm purposely understating
this) than most of what I saw and/or heard this year. Four Corners WAS
rhythmically driven, but also extremely melodic and MOST of the themes stuck
with me after a show or a rehearsal. (the old, "I could walk away
whistling" test)
As for SCV's "Not the Nutcracker" -- I think that's not something they just
threw together but based on an actual composition that focuses on the less
well-known themes in the ballet. It wasn't my favorite SCV show of all
time, but it really had some gorgeous moments, musically AND visually.
I don't want to tell you you're crazy for not liking Cavies this year
because you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.. but you're asking
people to see something that the majority of those who saw/heard the show
this year just DIDN'T see. It doesn't take a musical "snob" to like their
show this year..
To each his own, but I think you may be in the minority on this one.
Stefanie
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Dan Saeger
Seems to me I remember someone saying early in the year that it was
basically a drill with accompanying music (or something like that)
I was in Buffalo for finals and although it's not fair for me to say
anything without first watching/listening to it a dozen times (when
the CD's/DVD's get here) I must say that I wasn't greatly impressed.
Bored almost. Even the drill didn't get me. But, whatdoIknow. I'm
just a paying fan in the stands. What I do know is that as soon as I
get my package from DCI, I'm going straight to track number four to
see if SCV's show was as good as I thought it was.
r, Dan
David Pressley
> I didn't "get" the show until the 3rd time I saw it!
>
Took me three or four times to appreciate the Cavies this summer. That
was fewer reads than it normally takes me with the Cavaliers. The
corps performed brilliantly but I would imagine that without seeing
the visual production it's hard to get a handle on it.
Many in the fan base (ie: TICKET BUYERS) don't get a number of the
shows on the first read either. Unfortunately, only those of us who
are truly bitten (Hard Corps if you will) see these shows often enough
to gain deeper comprehension of the sophistication level.
Unfortunately......lots of Joe Publics don't "get it" on the first try
and they never come back.
Worse, many fans who used to "get it" 10-15 years ago aren't still
coming either.....and that includes a number of guys I majored in
music with in college who are career school band directors.
David
Michael Oldemeyer
The first time I heard them was during their victory concert in Stillwater,
MN. Without the drill, I was left scratching my head. A lot of the music
didn't make much sense, especially the ends of songs, though the third tune
was incredibly fun to listen to. In my opinion, a show should not be that
dependant on drill. I had the same experience listening to the 97 discs
with a non-drum corps friend who was mystified by their Firebird show.
It was definitely an interesting idea to try, and the overall show turned
out pretty good, but I'm hoping they return to a more conventional style of
picking music first and writing the drill second.
Michael Oldemeyer
RGortowski
friend who was mystified by their Firebird show.>
As were damn near all of us Cavie fans.... The only show to finish out of the
top five in 17 years. That show was not nearly as good as the 1988 Firebird
show - musically or visually.....
Rich
Michael E. New
well as musical. They don't exist independent of one another. If they did,
we'd have a Concert Finals and a Guard Finals. Cavies just took it one step
further than everyone else usually does. If you don't like the music on the
CD/mp3 - well, it wasn't really written to be just heard, I think.
Just my opinion,
Mike New
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BawkBlockBoi
drum corps arena, but I must say I was thoroughly unimpressed by this
year's line up. I guess it would stand to reason that after such
amazing years as 1999 and 2000, 2001 would be a little dry. Designers
can't be that ingenious ALL the time. The high list of offenders this
year were Blue Devils and Cavies. I especially didn't like how Cavies
seemed to try and plug "moments" in from previous shows, just for the
sake of having them there... ("Over the Rainbow", the "Drum Jam" from
2000, etc.) And I won't even go into Blue Devils' COMPLETE lack of
visual focus. But oh well...
Here's to next year!
BBB
Frankplay
I fear that your comments are right on the money.It would be a
tragedy,if the quest for greater art ,drives the activity into obscurity.Seems
we need a dose of Bridgemen and VKs.
Frank Mulvaney