To disunite the kingdom

[Adam H. Kerman]

If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?

I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen Elizabeth?

[Siri Crews]

In article <slrnm14c9...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org>
wrote:

> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.

> Kerman wrote:
>
> > If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
> > hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>

> Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
> RADw already?

>
> > I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
> > Elizabeth?
>

> The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're planning
> to keep her successors.
>
> My opinion as a patriotic Scot is that if my fellow countrymen are
> foolish enough to vote Yes next week, they'll come crawling back after
> their (and my) country has been reduced to the economic level of
> Albania within a decade. As a patriotic Scot, I don't want that to
> happen.

Maybe they can form the North Atlantic Republic of Quebec and Scotland. We can
throw in Mississippi.

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[Pudentame]

On 11 Sep 2014 23:32:53 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
>Kerman wrote:
>

>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>

>Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
>RADw already?
>

I don't think they are aligned along that particular border.

I hope Scotland will vote against. I don't think it would be in their
best economic interest to go it alone, and if they make it into the
EU, the ECB is going to screw 'em the same way they screwed Greece &
Spain.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 11 Sep 2014 23:32:53 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
>Kerman wrote:
>

>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>

>Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
>RADw already?
>

>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>> Elizabeth?
>

>The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're planning
>to keep her successors.
>
>My opinion as a patriotic Scot is that if my fellow countrymen are
>foolish enough to vote Yes next week, they'll come crawling back after
>their (and my) country has been reduced to the economic level of
>Albania within a decade. As a patriotic Scot, I don't want that to
>happen.
>

>The on-topic question is whether Peter Capaldi will still be allowed
>to star in a TV show made by BBC Wales.

If you were a 'Patriotic Scot', you'd be living and working there. The
trouble with ex-pats is they think they still own the Country they
deserted... or think they can buy it back by eminent domain.

[Your Name]

In article <vsf41albfaurrp547...@4ax.com>, Pudentame

No doubt the "separate us", "anti-Royal", "pro-republic" loonies in
other countries are watching closely.

Some fool here in New Zealand has already written in to the newspaper
claiming that if Scotland separates from the UK, then the New Zealand
flag will suddenly be incorrect and so "is a good reason to change it".
(The local nutters are alway whinning on about changing the flag and
becoming indpendent.)

[The Doctor]

salmond says retain the Queen.

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[The Doctor]

On 2014-09-11, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
> Kerman wrote:
>

>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>

> Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
> RADw already?
>

>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>> Elizabeth?
>

> The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're planning
> to keep her successors.
>
> My opinion as a patriotic Scot is that if my fellow countrymen are
> foolish enough to vote Yes next week, they'll come crawling back after
> their (and my) country has been reduced to the economic level of
> Albania within a decade. As a patriotic Scot, I don't want that to
> happen.
>
> The on-topic question is whether Peter Capaldi will still be allowed
> to star in a TV show made by BBC Wales.
>
>

Hopefully no win then.

[Timothy Bruening]

On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:32:53 PM UTC-7, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
>
> Kerman wrote:
>
>
>

> > If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>
> > hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>
>
>

> Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
>
> RADw already?
>
>
>

> > I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>
> > Elizabeth?
>
>
>

> The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're planning
>
> to keep her successors.

Are the pro-independence folks using Prince Charles' marital problems as a reason to secede?

[Timothy Bruening]

What happens to same sex marriage in an independent Scotland? Is same sex marriage an issue in the Scottish independence race?

[Your Name]

In article <584ec036-04f5-4ac1...@googlegroups.com>,

Marital problems ... geez, I'd be more worried about his
not-having-a-brain problems. ;-)

Realistically, it's looking more and more like Charles will never be
King (thank goodness) or only for a very short time period, and that
William or George will be next on the throne.

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

imho, the establishment on both sides are wimping out of constitutional
questions. The English establishment don't want their "sovereign
decision making" watered down. Alex Salmond et al are Tory-lite so I
don't expect much significant change with Scottish domestic politics. As
for bad mouthing nationalism at the bottom this is a petty distraction
I'm sure the establishment won't disallow if it keeps the plebs safely
tied up.

Systemic stupidity has never been so obvious so it's business as usual
whatever happens? Oh, well. See you in another 300 years...

I really think it's time for a written constitution by the people for
the people.

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[FishFood]

I wonder what happens when Scotland decides to lay claim to all the
Oil coming into Scotland via the North sea?

As far as i can see annexing off parts of the united kingdom allows
the locals to then take decisions which would be question/able were
it to be raised in parliament? Watch out Scotland, the worst is yet
to come.

[Agamemnon]

"FishFood" <do...@home.com> wrote in message
news:luv4pc$44t$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 12/09/2014 00:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>>
>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>> Elizabeth?
>>
>
> I wonder what happens when Scotland decides to lay claim to all the
> Oil coming into Scotland via the North sea?

It already has. They're giving it to them.

[FishFood]

On 12/09/2014 16:55, Agamemnon wrote:
> "FishFood" <do...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:luv4pc$44t$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 12/09/2014 00:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>>>
>>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>>> Elizabeth?
>>>
>>
>> I wonder what happens when Scotland decides to lay claim to all the
>> Oil coming into Scotland via the North sea?
>
> It already has. They're giving it to them.

who's 'they' and who's 'them'?

[Ignis Fatuus]

England's already bled the North Sea dry and pocketed the revenues.
You seem unaware that Scotland was an Independent Nation until it was
coerced into the Act of Union (1707) by economic blackmail. This followed
the annexation of Ireland (1171), and Wales (1282).
Ireland (except for the Protestant North) made a successful transition to
independence in 1922, and it's to be hoped that Scotland will now follow
suit, and it's to be hoped that Wales, Cornwall and the Northern Counties
of England will eventually recover their independence and throw off the
yoke of the Tory Shits who have devastated our economy and communities
over the last 35 years.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 12 Sep 2014 16:41:26 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 01:54:23 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>wrote:

>We are a nation of successful emigrants. This is reflected in the fact
>that we were traditionally ruled by a King or Queen of Scots, not a
>King or Queen of Scotland.
>
Scotia (Scotland) was the Roman name for Ireland. It was applied to the
Kingdom of Alba (Latin Caledonia) in the late Medieval period, by the
Norman descendents of William the Conqueror. The first King of a United
Scotland (Alba) was the Pictish King Kenneth MacAlpin (840-860 approx).

So your 'Traditions' are in fact a Norman Fiction.

>Besides, your idea that one can choose where to live and work the way
>one can choose the colour of one's socks is na�ve. Other loyalties and
>practicalities get in the way.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 12 Sep 2014 17:33:02 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:20:12 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>wrote:

>
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:51:09 +0100, FishFood <do...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 12/09/2014 00:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>>>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen Elizabeth?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I wonder what happens when Scotland decides to lay claim to all the
>>>Oil coming into Scotland via the North sea?
>>>
>>>As far as i can see annexing off parts of the united kingdom allows
>>>the locals to then take decisions which would be question/able were
>>>it to be raised in parliament? Watch out Scotland, the worst is yet
>>>to come.
>>
>> England's already bled the North Sea dry and pocketed the revenues.
>

>On the contrary, Scotland benefits more than England from the UK's oil
>resources.
>
You mean Scotland's (Caledonia's) Resources.
And the Greedy English also made a play for a huge percentage of Norway's
oil reserves.

>> You seem unaware that Scotland was an Independent Nation until it was
>> coerced into the Act of Union (1707) by economic blackmail.
>

>That was undoubtedly a sell-out, but I think it turned out well.

>
>> This followed
>> the annexation of Ireland (1171), and Wales (1282).
>

>Scotland wasn't conquered and subjugated.

>
>> Ireland (except for the Protestant North) made a successful transition to
>> independence in 1922,
>

>That depends on whether you think that eleven months of brutal civil
>war in 1922 and 1923 constituted a "successful transition".
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Civil_War>

>
>> and it's to be hoped that Scotland will now follow
>> suit, and it's to be hoped that Wales, Cornwall and the Northern Counties
>> of England will eventually recover their independence and throw off the
>> yoke of the Tory Shits who have devastated our economy and communities
>> over the last 35 years.
>

>Nice rant.
>
>Residents of Scotland who vote Yes next week may find that people like
>IF are members of their next government. Need I say more?

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 12 Sep 2014 17:35:38 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:29:18 +0100, Ignis Fatuus

>Ain't Wikipedia great?

I've been around a lot longer than Wikipedia. But if you'd consulted it
yourself you 'might' have got your 'traditions' in order. Perhaps there's
more to being a Scot than looking down benignly with fond memories and
warm sticky feelings from a far distant Ivory Tower.

>
>> So your 'Traditions' are in fact a Norman Fiction.
>

>Robert the Bruce was a Norman. Will you be toppling his statues after
>a Yes vote?

As his ancestry included the Kings of Alba, I think we'll let him stand.
At least he fought tooth and nail to Preserve Scottish Independence and
prevent the Anglicisation of Caledonia. He might even figure prominently
in the New Scottish Currency.

>
>>>Besides, your idea that one can choose where to live and work the way
>>>one can choose the colour of one's socks is na�ve. Other loyalties and
>>>practicalities get in the way.
>

>You're wise not to try to reply to that.

Meaningless waffle. Nothing to address. If you wannabee a Scot put your
money where your mouth is. Absentee Patriots count for nothing.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 12 Sep 2014 19:38:18 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:55:28 +0100, Ignis Fatuus

>wrote:
>
>> On 12 Sep 2014 17:33:02 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:20:12 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>>>wrote:
>>>

>>>> England's already bled the North Sea dry and pocketed the revenues.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, Scotland benefits more than England from the UK's oil
>>>resources.
>>>
>> You mean Scotland's (Caledonia's) Resources.
>> And the Greedy English also made a play for a huge percentage of Norway's
>> oil reserves.
>

>Wow. You really are a kook.
>
>Oh well. Fortunately, your opinions about Doctor Who aren't as
>stupidly paranoid as your opinions about the real world.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the annals of the European Union and
'discussions' of British (nee English) claims to Oil Reserves in Norwegian
Territorial Waters, on the grounds that they were an extension of the
Scottish Oilfields.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 12 Sep 2014 19:50:17 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 20:47:45 +0100, Ignis Fatuus

>wrote:
>
>> On 12 Sep 2014 19:38:18 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:55:28 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12 Sep 2014 17:33:02 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In rec.arts.drwho on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:20:12 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> England's already bled the North Sea dry and pocketed the revenues.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the contrary, Scotland benefits more than England from the UK's oil
>>>>>resources.
>>>>>
>>>> You mean Scotland's (Caledonia's) Resources.
>>>> And the Greedy English also made a play for a huge percentage of Norway's
>>>> oil reserves.
>>>
>>>Wow. You really are a kook.
>>>
>>>Oh well. Fortunately, your opinions about Doctor Who aren't as
>>>stupidly paranoid as your opinions about the real world.
>>
>> I refer the honourable gentleman to the annals of the European Union and
>> 'discussions' of British (nee English) claims to Oil Reserves in Norwegian
>> Territorial Waters, on the grounds that they were an extension of the
>> Scottish Oilfields.
>

>So they're English when Norway is mentioned, but Scottish the rest of
>the time?

The spurious Claims of Ownership emanated from the Palace of
Westminster... which is the seat of Government in England. There was no
Scottish Parliament back then. Just another instance of English Greed for
property which is not rightfully theirs. Now at least the Scots can look
forward to recovering the remnants of their own property.

I would have thought that all 'Patriotic Scots' would applaud the move.

[Siri Crews]

In article <slrnm16jj...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org>
wrote:

> >>Oh well. Fortunately, your opinions about Doctor Who aren't as
> >>stupidly paranoid as your opinions about the real world.
> >
> > I refer the honourable gentleman to the annals of the European Union and
> > 'discussions' of British (nee English) claims to Oil Reserves in Norwegian
> > Territorial Waters, on the grounds that they were an extension of the
> > Scottish Oilfields.
>

> So they're English when Norway is mentioned, but Scottish the rest of
> the time?

Are you sure the Loch Ness Monster was controlled by the Zygons rather than the
Norwegians?

--
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksLWwbNZA1k

[Your Name]

In article <slrnm168l...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross
<p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:56:00 -0700 (PDT), Timothy

> Is he having marital difficulties? I thought that he'd been quite
> happily married since ditching the adulterous tart.

Well, as the old sayings go ...

- a "dog is man's best friend" and Camilla proves
they make faithful wives too.
or
- cowboy movies often claim a horse is man's most
fisthful companion, whch again Camilla proves.

;-)

[The Doctor]

In article <chine.bleu-7525D...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Siri Crews <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <slrnm16jj...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org>
>wrote:
>
>> >>Oh well. Fortunately, your opinions about Doctor Who aren't as
>> >>stupidly paranoid as your opinions about the real world.
>> >
>> > I refer the honourable gentleman to the annals of the European Union and
>> > 'discussions' of British (nee English) claims to Oil Reserves in Norwegian
>> > Territorial Waters, on the grounds that they were an extension of the
>> > Scottish Oilfields.
>>
>> So they're English when Norway is mentioned, but Scottish the rest of
>> the time?
>
>Are you sure the Loch Ness Monster was controlled by the Zygons rather than the
>Norwegians?
>

ObWho.

>--
>:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
>'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
>Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksLWwbNZA1k

[Agamemnon]

"FishFood" <do...@home.com> wrote in message

news:luv59o$565$2...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 12/09/2014 16:55, Agamemnon wrote:
>> "FishFood" <do...@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:luv4pc$44t$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 12/09/2014 00:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>>>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>>>> Elizabeth?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder what happens when Scotland decides to lay claim to all the
>>> Oil coming into Scotland via the North sea?
>>
>> It already has. They're giving it to them.
>
> who's 'they' and who's 'them'?

They = The British Government
Them = The Scots

[Ignis Fatuus]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 01:24:59 +0100, "Agamemnon"
<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

>
>"FishFood" <do...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:luv59o$565$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 12/09/2014 16:55, Agamemnon wrote:
>>> "FishFood" <do...@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:luv4pc$44t$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> On 12/09/2014 00:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>>>>> hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>>>>> Elizabeth?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what happens when Scotland decides to lay claim to all the
>>>> Oil coming into Scotland via the North sea?
>>>
>>> It already has. They're giving it to them.
>>
>> who's 'they' and who's 'them'?
>
>They = The British Government
>Them = The Scots
>

But it belonged to the Scots in the first place. England's been milking it
dry for far too long. Let them eat Bankers.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>>hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?

>Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
>RADw already?

Along English Civil War lines? It's hard for me to tell.

>>I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>>Elizabeth?

>The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're planning
>to keep her successors.

Ah. Thank you.

>My opinion as a patriotic Scot is that if my fellow countrymen are
>foolish enough to vote Yes next week, they'll come crawling back after
>their (and my) country has been reduced to the economic level of
>Albania within a decade. As a patriotic Scot, I don't want that to
>happen.

>The on-topic question is whether Peter Capaldi will still be allowed
>to star in a TV show made by BBC Wales.

I was wondering if Doctor Who would be held for ransom.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:29:18 +0100, Ignis Fatuus wrote:

>>Scotia (Scotland) was the Roman name for Ireland. It was applied to the
>>Kingdom of Alba (Latin Caledonia) in the late Medieval period, by the
>>Norman descendents of William the Conqueror. The first King of a United
>>Scotland (Alba) was the Pictish King Kenneth MacAlpin (840-860 approx).

>Ain't Wikipedia great?

So they had trouble telling the Irish and Scots accents apart in those
days, too.

[Adam H. Kerman]

1922 was a success for Ireland? You're quite mad. They had bloody well
assasinated Michael Collins, the only one willing to compromise with the
Protestant minority who stood a good chance of keeping the island whole,
so IRA would have faded away. Instead, the Irish were determined to keep
on fighting the idiotic English civil war.

For god's sake, it wasn't even their fucking war. James II has been dead
for several centuries. In a modern era, it should have been embarassing
and shameful that Christians continued to slaughter each other for
religious reasons.

But yeah, other than decades of terrorism, Ireland's been a great success
the entire time.

You want Ireland as your example of how an independent Scotland should
exist? What a horrid thing to wish for.

[Ignis Fatuus]

The civil war was kept alive by the protestant little-englanders in the
north, with their policies of discrimination against Irish Catholics
(continuing 300 years of 'tradition'). And the fires of 'bloody civil war'
were stoked by money from the USA, that cradle of global terrorism.

>You want Ireland as your example of how an independent Scotland should
>exist? What a horrid thing to wish for.

I'd love to hear you spouting that nonsense in Dublin on a Saturday Night.
But with Scottish independence flourishing across the water, I can
envisage a renewed zeal for throwing off the English yoke in the north.

[Adam H. Kerman]

The Protestant minority in Ireland was terrified of being wiped out by
the Catholic majority. The Catholics proved exactly how much they loved peace
in that incredibly vicious civil war, by killing the one political leader
in their country that might have made a lasting peace possible. The
British army occupied the North for decades to keep the civil war from
starting again.

But compromise was anathema.

Do you hear yourself talk? A majority blaming a minority? It's not like
Protestants were perfectly safe in the South through out the years at
all times.

As far as Americans, uh, no, that wasn't Americans generally, but Irish
ethnics. No one else gave a fuck. No one outside the British Isles cares
about nor perceives any distinction between Irish Christians along a
religious divide.

>>You want Ireland as your example of how an independent Scotland should
>>exist? What a horrid thing to wish for.

>I'd love to hear you spouting that nonsense in Dublin on a Saturday Night.
>But with Scottish independence flourishing across the water, I can
>envisage a renewed zeal for throwing off the English yoke in the north.

It's hysterical. You're the one who raised the ugly stereotype of the
drunken Irishman unable to hold a civilized debate without violence.

Again: Ireland was the very last place on the planet in which "civilized"
Christians were slaughtering each other for religious differences. That
is a shameful place in history to be in.

[Ignis Fatuus]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:48:51 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

The protestant minority ruled for centuries with a rod of iron and usually
from afar ... hence the volume of emigres to the New World. That the
majority of protestants settled and congregated in the Belfast area is a
matter of historical accident.

>As far as Americans, uh, no, that wasn't Americans generally, but Irish
>ethnics. No one else gave a fuck. No one outside the British Isles cares
>about nor perceives any distinction between Irish Christians along a
>religious divide.
>
>>>You want Ireland as your example of how an independent Scotland should
>>>exist? What a horrid thing to wish for.
>
>>I'd love to hear you spouting that nonsense in Dublin on a Saturday Night.
>>But with Scottish independence flourishing across the water, I can
>>envisage a renewed zeal for throwing off the English yoke in the north.
>
>It's hysterical. You're the one who raised the ugly stereotype of the
>drunken Irishman unable to hold a civilized debate without violence.
>
>Again: Ireland was the very last place on the planet in which "civilized"
>Christians were slaughtering each other for religious differences. That
>is a shameful place in history to be in.

You seem perfectly happy with the shameful suppression of the Catholic
majority.

Korea?
Vietnam?
Nicaragua?
Iran?
Iraq?
Syria?
Palestine?
Afghanistan?

To name but a few of the most obvious beneficiaries of American
benevolence in the form of weapons of mass destruction. The real howler is
noting that many of the worst despots were established by one American
president to further American interests... and brought down by his son
when they bit the hand that fed them. But few of the victims were WASPs
(and then usually as a result of 'friendly fire'), so I guess that's OK.

Has there been a single year since 1945, when America or American
sponsored terrorism wasn't bombing the fuck out of one part of the world
or another... purely in the interests of peace and stability, of course?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Hold it. Fucking hold it. This is crap. Protestants in the Belfast area
didn't rule anyone. Belfast, at any number of points in history, was
less prosperous than Dublin.

Ireland was ruled over by peers created in England. A few were created
in Middle Ages and a number were created before the Church of England
was proclaimed, so the earliest peers were CATHOLIC. English control
of Ireland happened after the Norman invasion of England. Might as well
blame the French for all your trouble.

>>As far as Americans, uh, no, that wasn't Americans generally, but Irish
>>ethnics. No one else gave a fuck. No one outside the British Isles cares
>>about nor perceives any distinction between Irish Christians along a
>>religious divide.

Are you going to acknowledge important facts you left out?

>>>>You want Ireland as your example of how an independent Scotland should
>>>>exist? What a horrid thing to wish for.

>>>I'd love to hear you spouting that nonsense in Dublin on a Saturday Night.
>>>But with Scottish independence flourishing across the water, I can
>>>envisage a renewed zeal for throwing off the English yoke in the north.

>>It's hysterical. You're the one who raised the ugly stereotype of the
>>drunken Irishman unable to hold a civilized debate without violence.

>>Again: Ireland was the very last place on the planet in which "civilized"
>>Christians were slaughtering each other for religious differences. That
>>is a shameful place in history to be in.

>You seem perfectly happy with the shameful suppression of the Catholic
>majority.

From Belfast?

Say, in England itself, are Catholics suppressed? In Scotland? Well,
the English aristocracy will see to it that neither a Scot nor an
Irishman will play James Bond.

I'm cutting out the rest because it's pretty clear that you're aware
that you lost the argument when you resorted to the violent drunken Irishman
stereotype, and you're just digging that hole ever faster. Nothing you
wrote had fuck-all to do with your ignorance of history.

Gah. What do they teach in school?

[Ignis Fatuus]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 23:00:16 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

I'm afraid the Scotsman already left an indelible imprint on the
character. Fleming even fixed his nationality as a mark of respect for the
actor.

>I'm cutting out the rest because it's pretty clear that you're aware
>that you lost the argument when you resorted to the violent drunken Irishman
>stereotype, and you're just digging that hole ever faster. Nothing you
>wrote had fuck-all to do with your ignorance of history.
>
>Gah. What do they teach in school?

History in mine. Propaganda in yours by the looks of things.

It was pretty clear that you'd lost the argument (and control of your
bowels) when you were reduced to offering incontinent incoherent abusive
gibberish in lieu of fact or reason. Tell it to the marines... as they say
in the good ol'

<snippage restored>

Korea?
Vietnam?
Nicaragua?
Iran?
Iraq?
Syria?
Palestine?
Afghanistan?

To name but a few of the most obvious beneficiaries of American
benevolence in the form of weapons of mass destruction. The real howler is
noting that many of the worst despots were established by one American
president to further American interests... and brought down by his son
when they bit the hand that fed them. But few of the victims were WASPs
(and then usually as a result of 'friendly fire'), so I guess that's OK.

Has there been a single year since 1945, when America or American
sponsored terrorism wasn't bombing the fuck out of one part of the world
or another... purely in the interests of peace and stability, of course?

<snippage restored>

[TB]

On Friday, September 12, 2014 9:43:29 AM UTC-7, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:56:00 -0700 (PDT), Timothy
>
> Bruening wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:32:53 PM UTC-7, Peter J Ross
>
> > wrote:
>

> >> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.

>
> >>
>
> >> Kerman wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be
>
> >> > open
>
> >>
>
> >> > hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>

> >> Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
>
> >>
>
> >> RADw already?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>

> >> > I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep
>
> >> > Queen
>
> >>
>
> >> > Elizabeth?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>

> >> The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're
>
> >> planning
>
> >>
>
> >> to keep her successors.
>
> >
>

> > Are the pro-independence folks using Prince Charles' marital
>
> > problems as a reason to secede?
>
>
>
> Is he having marital difficulties? I thought that he'd been quite
>
> happily married since ditching the adulterous tart.

Which adulterous tart did he ditch before marrying Camila?

I have only known about two women for Charlies: Diana and Camila.

[TB]

I thought that Scots might object to Charles as King because of his split with Princess Diana.

[Timothy Bruening]

On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:32:53 PM UTC-7, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:11:14 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
>
> Kerman wrote:
>
>
>
> > If Scotland votes to opt out of United Kingdom, will there be open
>
> > hostilities in the Doctor Who newsgroups on Usenet?
>
>
>
> Are you under the impression that there aren't open hostilities in
>
> RADw already?
>
>
>
> > I haven't heard: Is Scotland proposing a a republic or to keep Queen
>
> > Elizabeth?
>
>
>
> The plan is to keep the Queen. It's not so clear that they're planning
>
> to keep her successors.
>
>
>

> My opinion as a patriotic Scot is that if my fellow countrymen are
>
> foolish enough to vote Yes next week, they'll come crawling back after
>
> their (and my) country has been reduced to the economic level of
>
> Albania within a decade. As a patriotic Scot, I don't want that to
>
> happen.
>
>
>
> The on-topic question is whether Peter Capaldi will still be allowed
>
> to star in a TV show made by BBC Wales.

Why would Peter be forced to quit? Why would the new Scottish government order Peter to quit?

[Your Name]

In article <7135c170-6e41-4282...@googlegroups.com>, TB

It's blatantly obvious that Harry is not Charles' son, but the son of
that other guy (the one with the morals of an alley cat - like father,
like son).

[The Doctor]

In article <slrnm1gk0...@homeridae.org>,

Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:57:57 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>wrote:

>It belonged to the UK. If Scotland had wanted to claim the oil, it
>should have voted for independence before the oil was discovered.
>
>If the UK's oil had been discovered off the coast of Torquay, I doubt
>if we'd have heard many Scots whining about being forced to share in
>the profits.

>
>> England's been milking it dry for far too long.
>

>Your metaphors are not so much mixed as positively curdled.
>
>> Let them eat Bankers.
>
>At least they'll have some bankers to eat, after all the bankers have
>left Scotland taking all the money with them.
>
>


Presonally a No Vote of 50% + 1 will usher in a new era.

>--
>PJR :-)
> ... τὸ διδάξασθαι δέ τοι
>εἰδότι ῥᾴτερον· ἄγνωμον δὲ τὸ μὴ προμαθεῖν·
>κουφότεραι γὰρ ἀπειράτων φρένες. (Pindar)

[Ignis Fatuus]

On 16 Sep 2014 14:58:22 GMT, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

>In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:57:57 +0100, Ignis Fatuus
>wrote:
>

>It belonged to the UK. If Scotland had wanted to claim the oil, it
>should have voted for independence before the oil was discovered.
>
>If the UK's oil had been discovered off the coast of Torquay, I doubt
>if we'd have heard many Scots whining about being forced to share in
>the profits.
>

>> England's been milking it dry for far too long.
>

>Your metaphors are not so much mixed as positively curdled.
>
>> Let them eat Bankers.
>
>At least they'll have some bankers to eat, after all the bankers have
>left Scotland taking all the money with them.

As you only paid for the five minute argument... I'm afraid your time is
up.

[Your Name]

In article <slrnm1gl5...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross
<p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

> He certainly doesn't look much like a Windsor to me. Who do you think
> the father was? All I can say with certainty is that it wasn't me,
> unless I was too drunk to remember.
>
> Presumably they've discreetly tested William's DNA, but they may not
> bother with Henry unless something happens to bring him closer to the
> succession.

It's obvious just by looking at them that Harry is the son of upper
class layabout and partyboy James Hewitt (again, like father like son),
and everyone knows it.
http://www.greatdreams.com/royalty/Prince-Harry-Real-Father.jpg

[Your Name]

In article <slrnm1gol...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross
<p...@homeridae.org> wrote:

> In rec.arts.drwho on Mon, 15 Sep 2014 00:27:46 -0700 (PDT), Timothy

> I was being (or trying to be) humorous.
>
> The odious prospect of Scottish Independence does raise serious
> questions about the future of the BBC, but I doubt if Capaldi's
> employment prospects will be seriously affected.

They might have to rename it to B+SBC (Britain + Scotland Broadcasting
Coporation. ;-)

[Siri Crews]

In article <slrnm1glc...@homeridae.org>, Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org>
wrote:

> In rec.arts.drwho on Mon, 15 Sep 2014 00:21:15 -0700 (PDT), TB wrote:
>
> > I thought that Scots might object to Charles as King because of his
> > split with Princess Diana.
>

> No more than the English would. It was an issue during the artifically
> inflated hysteria after the tart's death, but that was a long time
> ago.

As long as your queen can drink the blood of young princesses, she will live
whilst Chuck withers and dies. Withers and dies. Withers and dies.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksLWwbNZA1k

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

On 17/09/14 01:10, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 05:04:18 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.

> Yeah, as if Canadians and Americans don't sound identical.

And, of course, Canadians *are* Americans!!

Daniel

[The Doctor]

In article <%oP%v.369408$JH1....@fx08.iad>,

No chance in Hell!!!

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism

Danger comes when our feelings outweigh reality. -unknown

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

On 17/10/14 00:19, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <%oP%v.369408$JH1....@fx08.iad>,
> Dani...@teranews.com <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
>> On 17/09/14 01:10, Peter J Ross wrote:
>>> In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 05:04:18 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
>>> Kerman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
>>>>> on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:29:18 +0100, Ignis Fatuus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Scotia (Scotland) was the Roman name for Ireland. It was applied to the
>>>>>> Kingdom of Alba (Latin Caledonia) in the late Medieval period, by the
>>>>>> Norman descendents of William the Conqueror. The first King of a United
>>>>>> Scotland (Alba) was the Pictish King Kenneth MacAlpin (840-860 approx).
>>>>
>>>>> Ain't Wikipedia great?
>>>>
>>>> So they had trouble telling the Irish and Scots accents apart in those
>>>> days, too.
>>>
>>> Yeah, as if Canadians and Americans don't sound identical.
>>
>> And, of course, Canadians *are* Americans!!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>
> No chance in Hell!!!
>

Gee, last time I looked, Canada was still part of the North America
continent!! And, of course, Brazil, et al, are also part of America, if
only on the South America continent!! ;-P

Check your Atlas, Doctor!

Daniel

[The Doctor]

In article <S_80w.496122$8G3.4...@fx12.iad>,

That old ring.

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism

Those who count obedience as a bad word cannot be of the Lord. -unknown

[Your Name]

In article <S_80w.496122$8G3.4...@fx12.iad>,

<"Dani...@teranews.com"> wrote:
> On 17/10/14 00:19, The Doctor wrote:
> > In article <%oP%v.369408$JH1....@fx08.iad>,
> > Dani...@teranews.com <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> >> On 17/09/14 01:10, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >>> In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 05:04:18 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
> >>> Kerman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
> >>>>> on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:29:18 +0100, Ignis Fatuus wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Scotia (Scotland) was the Roman name for Ireland. It was applied to the
> >>>>>> Kingdom of Alba (Latin Caledonia) in the late Medieval period, by the
> >>>>>> Norman descendents of William the Conqueror. The first King of a United
> >>>>>> Scotland (Alba) was the Pictish King Kenneth MacAlpin (840-860 approx).
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ain't Wikipedia great?
> >>>>
> >>>> So they had trouble telling the Irish and Scots accents apart in those
> >>>> days, too.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, as if Canadians and Americans don't sound identical.
> >>
> >> And, of course, Canadians *are* Americans!!
> >

> > No chance in Hell!!!
>
> Gee, last time I looked, Canada was still part of the North America
> continent!! And, of course, Brazil, et al, are also part of America, if
> only on the South America continent!! ;-P
>
> Check your Atlas, Doctor!

Besides, Canada is just a de facto state of USA. Same as New Zealand is
a de facto state of Australia.

[The Doctor]

In article <181020141026421587%Your...@YourISP.com>,

Flame on!

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

Sorry, what ring?? Or did you mis-type "fact"??

Daniel

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

Gee, I was beginning to think that was your job, Doctor!!

Daniel

[Your Name]

In article <yPM0w.1097$aa5...@fx27.iad>, <"Dani...@teranews.com">
wrote:

> On 18/10/14 01:35, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> > In article <S_80w.496122$8G3.4...@fx12.iad>,
> > Dani...@teranews.com <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> >> On 17/10/14 00:19, The Doctor wrote:
> >>> In article <%oP%v.369408$JH1....@fx08.iad>,
> >>> Dani...@teranews.com <dx...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> >>>> On 17/09/14 01:10, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >>>>> In rec.arts.drwho on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 05:04:18 +0000 (UTC), Adam H.
> >>>>> Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>> Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> on Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:29:18 +0100, Ignis Fatuus wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Scotia (Scotland) was the Roman name for Ireland. It was applied to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Kingdom of Alba (Latin Caledonia) in the late Medieval period, by the
> >>>>>>>> Norman descendents of William the Conqueror. The first King of a
> >>>>>>>> United
> >>>>>>>> Scotland (Alba) was the Pictish King Kenneth MacAlpin (840-860
> >>>>>>>> approx).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ain't Wikipedia great?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So they had trouble telling the Irish and Scots accents apart in those
> >>>>>> days, too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, as if Canadians and Americans don't sound identical.
> >>>>
> >>>> And, of course, Canadians *are* Americans!!
> >>>

> >>> No chance in Hell!!!
> >>>
> >> Gee, last time I looked, Canada was still part of the North America
> >> continent!! And, of course, Brazil, et al, are also part of America, if
> >> only on the South America continent!! ;-P
> >>
> >> Check your Atlas, Doctor!
> >

> > That old ring.
>
> Sorry, what ring?? Or did you mis-type "fact"??

Obviously the One Ring to rule them all ... if you can find it, then
every country in North America and South America becomes one under your
leadership. ;-)

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

Oh!! I had forgotten about that ring!! ... but it's so near and dear to
you isn't it Your Name?!?! :-)

Daniel

[Your Name]

In article <Y371w.371004$JH1.1...@fx08.iad>,

If you can find the even bigger One Ring, then all the countries
bordering the Pacific come under your leadership, but you have to wear
asbestos gloves first ... it's the Ring of Fire. ;-)