8 Episodes of Homoerotica out of 13
Agamemnon
proselytise homosexuality.
Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex with Closetgay
Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory, Jack does Jack.
Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again, Welshbirdsfuckmate
shows his arse once again.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Ian Salsbury
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
> to proselytise homosexuality.
There is no amount of evidence that could convince me that "proselytising"
homosexuality is even possible. You can`t make someone gay, they either are
or they aren`t. He`s not trying to convert the world en masse to
homosexuality. Have any straight people watching this show been tempted to
turn gay? I certainly haven`t. Stop spouting such complete and utter
nonsense. If the portrayal of homosexual characters upsets you then why the
fuck have you continued to torture yourself week in week out by watching
this show? Spend your time doing and watching things you enjoy doing, life`s
too short.
The Bronze
You're such a bummer...... Fagamemnon, come out come out!
The Bronze
GRAHAM WALKER
shitless.
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Stephen Wilson
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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BOLLOCKS!
How much screen time was devoted to the examples you've given? 60%? Not a
chance.
We all know RTD intentionally blurred the lines. Made it difficult to
emphatically state which characters are gay and which are heterosexual. Why
is that such a problem for you?
Oh, and here's a current story you might find interesting:
Scientists are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of "gay" sheep
in a programme that critics fear could pave the way for breeding out
homosexuality in humans.
The technique being developed by American researchers adjusts the hormonal
balance in the brains of homosexual rams so that they are more inclined to
mate with ewes.
It raises the prospect that pregnant women could one day be offered a
treatment to reduce or eliminate the chance that their offspring will be
homosexual. Experts say that, in theory, the "straightening" procedure on
humans could be as simple as a hormone supplement for mothers-to-be, worn on
the skin like an anti-smoking nicotine patch.
The research, at Oregon State University in the city of Corvallis and at the
Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, has caused an outcry.
Martina Navratilova, the lesbian tennis player who won Wimbledon nine times,
and scientists and gay rights campaigners in Britain have called for the
project to be abandoned.
Navratilova defended the "right" of sheep to be gay. She said: "How can it
be that in the year 2006 a major university would host such homophobic and
cruel experiments?" She said gay men and lesbians would be "deeply offended"
by the social implications of the tests.
But the researchers argue that the work is valid, shedding light on the
"broad question" of what determines sexual orientation. They insist the work
is not aimed at "curing" homosexuality.
Approximately one ram in 10 prefers to mount other rams rather than mate
with ewes, reducing its value to a farmer. Initially, the publicly funded
project aimed to improve the productivity of herds.
The scientists have been able to pinpoint the mechanisms influencing the
desires of "male-oriented" rams by studying their brains. The animals'
skulls are cut open and electronic sensors are attached to their brains.
By varying the hormone levels, mainly by injecting hormones into the brain,
they have had "considerable success" in altering the rams' sexuality, with
some previously gay animals becoming attracted to ewes.
Professor Charles Roselli, the Health and Science University biologist
leading the research, defended the project.
He said: "In general, sexuality has been under-studied because of political
concerns. People don't want science looking into what determines sexuality.
"It's a touchy issue. In fact, several studies have shown that people who
believe homosexuality is biologically based are less homophobic than people
who think that this orientation is acquired."
The research is being peer-reviewed by a panel of scientists in America,
demonstrating that it is being taken seriously by the academic community.
Potentially, the techniques could one day be adapted for human use, with
doctors perhaps being able to offer parents pre-natal tests to determine the
likely sexuality of offspring or a hormonal treatment to change the
orientation of a child.
Roselli has said he would be "uncomfortable" about parents choosing
sexuality, but argues that it is up to policy makers to legislate on
questions of ethics.
The Bronze
GRAHAM WALKER wrote:
> Its because hes gay and in the closet wanting to come out but hes scared
> shitless.
Fagamemnon - we're on to you! Come out come out! Come join the party,
my cheeky little Greek! Perhaps we can discuss your 'education' as per
Greek standards of teaching. You know what I mean...
The Ancient Bronze
Agamemnon
"Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> news:4-CdnQNdHdE4CgTY...@pipex.net...
>> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
>> to proselytise homosexuality.
>
> There is no amount of evidence that could convince me that "proselytising"
> homosexuality is even possible. You can`t make someone gay, they either
> are or they aren`t. He`s not trying to convert the world en masse to
> homosexuality. Have any straight people watching this show been tempted to
> turn gay? I certainly haven`t. Stop spouting such complete and utter
They may have been, either to become fully gay or bisexual.
> nonsense. If the portrayal of homosexual characters upsets you then why
> the fuck have you continued to torture yourself week in week out by
> watching this show? Spend your time doing and watching things you enjoy
> doing, life`s too short.
Then why didn't the show Welshbirds tits, which I would have enjoyed, but it
was all right to show Welshbirdsfuckmates arse. Why not her arse even?
Agamemnon
"The Bronze" <steve...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
If I were to indulge in bumming it would be with women's bums alone.
>
> The Bronze
>
Stephen Wilson
"Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
I guess that's the whole point. He has nothing better to do. So he watches
it. And then enjoys telling us how much he hated it. And then enjoys
watching us rise to the bait each week.
Agamemnon
I see you are in need of an enema.
>
>
> The Ancient Bronze
>
The Bronze
The only way a person could bum a woman's bum alone is if they're a
woman bumming themselves with a dildo - ergo, you're a woman. Who can't
get laid.
The Bronze
Ian Salsbury
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> "Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4vtjnsF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>> news:4-CdnQNdHdE4CgTY...@pipex.net...
>>> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
>>> to proselytise homosexuality.
>>
>> There is no amount of evidence that could convince me that
>> "proselytising" homosexuality is even possible. You can`t make someone
>> gay, they either are or they aren`t. He`s not trying to convert the world
>> en masse to homosexuality. Have any straight people watching this show
>> been tempted to turn gay? I certainly haven`t. Stop spouting such
>> complete and utter
>
> They may have been, either to become fully gay or bisexual.
If you can provide me with any evidence that Torchwood has turned straight
people gay I`d be amazed.
>> nonsense. If the portrayal of homosexual characters upsets you then why
>> the fuck have you continued to torture yourself week in week out by
>> watching this show? Spend your time doing and watching things you enjoy
>> doing, life`s too short.
>
> Then why didn't the show Welshbirds tits, which I would have enjoyed, but
> it was all right to show Welshbirdsfuckmates arse. Why not her arse even?
Perhaps Eve Myles refused to do a nude scene whereas the chap playing her
husband had no problem getting his arse out?
Ian Salsbury
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Indeed, I think he deserves our pity. The day I tune in religiously to a
show that I hate for 13 weeks in a row is the day I take a very long look at
myself and where my life is going.
robo...@googlemail.com
Ian Salsbury wrote:
> Perhaps Eve Myles refused to do a nude scene whereas the chap playing her
> husband had no problem getting his arse out?
Solely in the spirit of research I did a search for "eve myles nude" on
google images. Nothing. It looks like nudity is not her thing. Didn't
we get to see quite a bit of pilotbird's arse two weeks ago?
solar penguin
Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I guess that's the whole point. He has nothing better to do. So he
> watches it. And then enjoys telling us how much he hated it. And then
> enjoys watching us rise to the bait each week.
I've been thinking of doing that with EastEnders. I reckon there's
probably a lot of fun to be had in moaning about how crap that is.
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>
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> news:4-CdnQNdHdE4CgTY...@pipex.net...
>> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
>> to proselytise homosexuality.
>>
>> Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
>> sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
>>
>> Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
>> Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
>> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
>> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex with Closetgay
>> Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
>> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory, Jack does Jack.
>> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again, Welshbirdsfuckmate
>> shows his arse once again.
>>
>> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>
> BOLLOCKS!
>
> How much screen time was devoted to the examples you've given? 60%? Not a
> chance.
WRONG. 60% of the episodes had a homoerotic theme whereas it should have
only been 70% of 6% or the episodes, or one and only ONE episode over two
whole seasons worth that should have had a homosexual sub-plot.
>
> We all know RTD intentionally blurred the lines. Made it difficult to
> emphatically state which characters are gay and which are heterosexual.
> Why is that such a problem for you?
He is doing that because he wants to convert people to homosexuality. And
don't tell me that that is not possible. That is BOLLOCKS. Anyone can be
converted to homosexuality. Just look at ancient Athens where they were
bisexual.
>
> Oh, and here's a current story you might find interesting:
> Scientists are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of "gay"
> sheep in a programme that critics fear could pave the way for breeding out
> homosexuality in humans.
Homosexuality is a controllable mental choice, based on satisfying your urge
to ejaculate.
So what it is saying is that homosexuality in animals is caused by the
environment. If they are given a healthy balance of hormones they will
behave normally.
What these sheep need is the equivalent of some good porno mags. This will
have them producing the right hormones with no need for injections.
Agamemnon
>
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4vtjnsF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>>> news:4-CdnQNdHdE4CgTY...@pipex.net...
>>>> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using
>>>> Torchwood to proselytise homosexuality.
>>>
>>> There is no amount of evidence that could convince me that
>>> "proselytising" homosexuality is even possible. You can`t make someone
>>> gay, they either are or they aren`t. He`s not trying to convert the
>>> world en masse to homosexuality. Have any straight people watching this
>>> show been tempted to turn gay? I certainly haven`t. Stop spouting such
>>> complete and utter
>>
>> They may have been, either to become fully gay or bisexual.
>
> If you can provide me with any evidence that Torchwood has turned straight
> people gay I`d be amazed.
Look at the number members of this group that have become defenders of the
gays since Torchwood started. Soon they will become gay themselves if they
have not been converted already.
>
>>> nonsense. If the portrayal of homosexual characters upsets you then why
>>> the fuck have you continued to torture yourself week in week out by
>>> watching this show? Spend your time doing and watching things you enjoy
>>> doing, life`s too short.
>>
>> Then why didn't the show Welshbirds tits, which I would have enjoyed, but
>> it was all right to show Welshbirdsfuckmates arse. Why not her arse even?
>
> Perhaps Eve Myles refused to do a nude scene whereas the chap playing her
> husband had no problem getting his arse out?
If that is true they should replace her with another actress that will.
Agamemnon
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>
> Ian Salsbury wrote:
>> Perhaps Eve Myles refused to do a nude scene whereas the chap playing her
>> husband had no problem getting his arse out?
>
> Solely in the spirit of research I did a search for "eve myles nude" on
> google images. Nothing. It looks like nudity is not her thing. Didn't
Fuck her.
> we get to see quite a bit of pilotbird's arse two weeks ago?
No with did not. Not even a nice piece of breast.
Agamemnon
Its only been on for 11 weeks.
robo...@googlemail.com
Agamemnon wrote:
> <robo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> > we get to see quite a bit of pilotbird's arse two weeks ago?
>
> No with did not. Not even a nice piece of breast.
Are you sure? I thought there was a sex scene with PB viewed from the
rear in a sitting position.
Ian Salsbury
> He is doing that because he wants to convert people to homosexuality. And
> don't tell me that that is not possible. That is BOLLOCKS. Anyone can be
> converted to homosexuality.
So you admit you could conceivably be converted to homosexuality? Speak for
yourself.
Agamemnon
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>
> Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess that's the whole point. He has nothing better to do. So he
>> watches it. And then enjoys telling us how much he hated it. And then
>> enjoys watching us rise to the bait each week.
>
> I've been thinking of doing that with EastEnders. I reckon there's
> probably a lot of fun to be had in moaning about how crap that is.
Well here's on to get you started. On Christmas Day they killed off Pauline.
FOR FUCKS SAKE it was Christmas Day. People want to enjoy themselves and
celebrate the birth of Christ and all that Eastenders does every single
fucking Christmas episode is to try to upset its viewers. This kind of
perversion should not be allowed.
hulahoop
83.2% of statistics are made up, and this thread has helped to prove it
by using figures that are not part of the 16.8% that are true
If 60% of this programme had been dedicated to homoerotica, there would
have been about 7-8 hours gay sex, references to gay sex and plenty of
other things that you seem to have a problem with
Looking at the instances that you quote, they barely add up to more
than 30 mins of "homoerotica" (your word, not mine)
For your sanity (and more so, mine) please please please please please
please please please please please please please please don't bother to
watch Season 2 - I'm sure it will be more of the same and you are bound
to hate it
I do not think that RTD will look at what is written in this ng and
think "Bugger me" (actually he might think that) "I need to address
the issues that Mr Agamemnon is raising". In the same way neither do I
expect him to stop using silly science (antiplastic/void stuff - give
me strength) as convenient plot devices but I can live with that
Regards
H
Michel Boucher
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>> Have any straight people watching this show been tempted to
>> turn gay? I certainly haven`t. Stop spouting such complete and utter
>
> They may have been, either to become fully gay or bisexual.
May have been?? Not at all. You are a certifiable loon if you think
that. Either that or YOU'RE tempted and you are trying to get the rest
of us to protect your skinny ass.
You are free to hold whatever opinion you wish but where it becomes my
business is when your ill-informed opinion crosses my path in life.
--
"There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem
Michel Boucher
news:StednfuK69s...@pipex.net:
>>> Perhaps Eve Myles refused to do a nude scene whereas the chap
>>> playing her husband had no problem getting his arse out?
>>
>> Solely in the spirit of research I did a search for "eve myles
>> nude" on google images. Nothing. It looks like nudity is not her
>> thing. Didn't
>
> Fuck her.
That's it. If you can't get what you want, use foul language.
Nod
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>
While Agatha tends to talk tripe on the matter of homosexuals, even my wife
made a comment over what goes through RTD's mind and whether he has an
agenda. It was quite blatant in this episode. And I'm sure to have two guys
kissing each other during the 1940's in the middle of a dance floor would
have started a riot. I remember it still causing a fuss in the early 70's
just with two guys holding hands.
Nod
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Michel Boucher
news:tvCdnRzYQ7_8PgTY...@pipex.net:
>>> They may have been, either to become fully gay or bisexual.
>>
>> If you can provide me with any evidence that Torchwood has turned
>> straight people gay I`d be amazed.
>
> Look at the number members of this group that have become
> defenders of the gays since Torchwood started. Soon they will
> become gay themselves if they have not been converted already.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agamemnon
"hulahoop" <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I really should know better than to respond to this....but here we go
>
> 83.2% of statistics are made up, and this thread has helped to prove it
> by using figures that are not part of the 16.8% that are true
That statistic has been made up.
>
> If 60% of this programme had been dedicated to homoerotica, there would
> have been about 7-8 hours gay sex, references to gay sex and plenty of
> other things that you seem to have a problem with
RUBBISH
Since only 6% of the population are gay for every gay kiss on Torchwood
there should have been 16 heterosexual kisses. How many heterosexual kisses
were shown in Cpatianjackdoescaptianjack. ONE!
For every shot of Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse there should have been 16 shots
of Welshbird's tits. Since Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse was shown twice there
should have been 32 shots of Welshbird's tits. NOT ONE shot of her tits was
shown, nor any other bird's tits.
How do you explain that?
The show is completely unbalanced and is pursuing a deliberate gay agenda.
solar penguin
Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "hulahoop" <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> 83.2% of statistics are made up, and this thread has helped to prove
>> it by using figures that are not part of the 16.8% that are true
>
> That statistic has been made up.
>
No, only 83.2% of it has been made up.
> Since only 6% of the population are gay for every gay kiss on
> Torchwood there should have been 16 heterosexual kisses.
Only if you assume that an average gay kisses at the same rate as an
average heterosexual.
> For every shot of Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse there should have been 16
> shots of Welshbird's tits.
Shots of a man's arse are not necessarily gay, since straight women in
the audience might enjoy it too.
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Kinky as ever. I am of course over 14, so I may not qualify.
The Bronze
hulahoop
To quote you "over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!"
No it has not. Can you add up the timings for all homoerotic events
in all 13 episodes and demonstrate that they add up to 60% of the time
that Torchwood was on screen. I honestly doubt it. Like I said, your
list might make 30 minutes (at a push)
To be honest I am not sufficiently interested in trying to determine
the sexuality of every "sexual" encounter shown in Torchwood. I try to
look at the story and then decide if I enjoyed it or not
Like I said earlier I really do not think you should watch series 2 of
Torchwood
Regards
H
Memo to self - learn how to killfile
L. Ross Raszewski
<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood to
>proselytise homosexuality.
>
>Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
>sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
>
I don't know why I bother, but...
In the first place, these citations do not demonstrate "60% of
torchwood devoted to homoerotica", only that in all of these episodes,
in about 13 minutes of homosexual content. About 2%. So you're, as
usual, just plain wrong. But, I'll point out the disparity bit by bit.
>Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
Exactly matched by his *straight* kiss. Current gay-to-straight ratio:
1:1
Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
the influence of alien drugs.
>Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
About a dozen acts of heterosexual *intercourse* Current ratio: 13:2
Also, total gay acts: two kisses. Total straight acts: 12 instances
of coitus.
Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
the influence of alien sexnology.
>Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
Plus a hot woman wearing nothing but a metal thong for the entire
episode. Plus a plot whose ENTIRE POINT revolves around a man's
heterosexual devotion to his girlfriend. Plus Gwen and Owen kiss.
Current ratio: 15:3
As this is as far as I've seen, that's as far as I'll comment. But so
far, here's what we have in the gay camp:
3 kisses, two under the influence of aliens, and apparantly contrary
to the actual desires of one of the participants
1 discussion of Jack's sexuality
And in the straight camp:
1 ongoing heterosexual relationship (Gwen & Rhys)
1 'illicit' heterosexual relationship (Gwen & Owen)
1 character driven to desperate and unwise actions due to heterosexual
love: (Yanto over Cyberwoman)
1 straight kiss under the influence of alien technology (Owen and his
victim)
12 or so actual acts of heterosexual sex between the sex alien and
sperm donors
Wow. There really is rather a lot of teh gays in Torchwood!
>
>ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>
>
That's what I usually say at the end of one of your posts too!
Jim Vieira
news:4vtjnsF...@mid.individual.net...
> the fuck have you continued to torture yourself week in week out by
> watching this show? Spend your time doing and watching things you enjoy
> doing, life`s too short.
A point that is constantly lost on poor Aggy. It's really quite sad that
he doesn't seem to be able to put 2+2 together in this regard. Spending
two years watching new Who, and then Torchwood, all the while loathing
it. It makes absolutely zero sense. No one in their right mind would do
such
a thing.
It just goes to prove that he's just a typical critic. This isn't about
Torchwood
sucking, or Doctor Who sucking. Or any of that. This is all about AGGY
himself. Period. It's about him needing to show everyone how brilliant
he is. It's about him compensating for whatever issues he has in life by
being
a huge blowhard. It's psychologically valid, and quite common.. and sadly,
for the supposed intelligent individual he his, he can't seem to figure that
out
for himself. Or he's deeply in denial. But truly, this is about him and his
own
personal issues, and nothing about either show.
marc_CH
> Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
> Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex with Closetgay
> Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory, Jack does Jack.
> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again, Welshbirdsfuckmate
> shows his arse once again.
The fact that you are both looking for and documenting homosexuality
shows just how screechingly gay you actually are.
marc
Agamemnon
"L. Ross Raszewski" <lrasz...@loyola.edu> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
>>to
>>proselytise homosexuality.
>>
>>Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
>>sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
>>
>
> I don't know why I bother, but...
>
> In the first place, these citations do not demonstrate "60% of
> torchwood devoted to homoerotica", only that in all of these episodes,
> in about 13 minutes of homosexual content. About 2%. So you're, as
> usual, just plain wrong. But, I'll point out the disparity bit by bit.
In order to balance that out there should have been 3.5 hours of
hetroerotica and there clearly wasn't.
>
>
>>Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
> Exactly matched by his *straight* kiss. Current gay-to-straight ratio:
> 1:1
Matched?
It wasn't matched at all. Gays are only 6% of the population. There should
have been 16 hetro kisses in that episode to balance out one gay kiss. But
were there. NO. All we have is one straight kiss. 15 straight kisses short.
> Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
> the influence of alien drugs.
>>Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
> About a dozen acts of heterosexual *intercourse* Current ratio: 13:2
> Also, total gay acts: two kisses. Total straight acts: 12 instances
> of coitus.
12? I don't remember 12. There were 2 heterosexual acts shown and one
attempted act with someone who said he was gay. Thus there were 2 gay
references and 2 heterosexual references, whereas to balance out 2 gay
references 32 heterosexual acts of sex should have been shown. Thus the
episode was 30 hetrosexual acts short, or 45 heterosexual act short (shown
on screen) if you count the gay reference in the sperm bank as one for both
sides.
> Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
> the influence of alien sexnology.
>>Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
> Plus a hot woman wearing nothing but a metal thong for the entire
> episode. Plus a plot whose ENTIRE POINT revolves around a man's
> heterosexual devotion to his girlfriend. Plus Gwen and Owen kiss.
> Current ratio: 15:3
WRONG.
There was a gay kiss between Jack and Closetgay compared with a kiss between
Closetgay and Cyberbird and one between Welshbird and Coyckyboy. Therefore
there are 14 heterosexual acts short of equality.
Current ratio 74 heterosexual acts short of equality with the statistics.
>
>
> As this is as far as I've seen, that's as far as I'll comment. But so
> far, here's what we have in the gay camp:
> 3 kisses, two under the influence of aliens, and apparantly contrary
> to the actual desires of one of the participants
> 1 discussion of Jack's sexuality
>
> And in the straight camp:
> 1 ongoing heterosexual relationship (Gwen & Rhys)
> 1 'illicit' heterosexual relationship (Gwen & Owen)
> 1 character driven to desperate and unwise actions due to heterosexual
> love: (Yanto over Cyberwoman)
> 1 straight kiss under the influence of alien technology (Owen and his
> victim)
> 12 or so actual acts of heterosexual sex between the sex alien and
> sperm donors
No. Only 2 acts of straight sex were shown and the sperm doner was gay so
that doesn't count.
If you claim 4 gay references, they should have been balanced out by 64
straight references. Even by your count you are 48 straight references short
of equality with the statistics which give a ration of 16:1 straights to
gays.
>
>
> Wow. There really is rather a lot of teh gays in Torchwood!
Yes it is.
marc_CH
> Homosexuality is a controllable mental choice, based on satisfying
> your urge to ejaculate.
Aggy, how do we deal with the current witchcraft problem? Do you prefer
trial by ordeal over the nmore traditional ducking stool?
marc
Agamemnon
"marc_CH" <marc...@crumhorn.org> wrote in message
news:1207.2454103@crumhorn.org...
The fact that you are trying to defend the proselytisation of homosexuality
shows that RTG is making you turn gay step by step, whereas I have been able
to resist his sexual brainwashing. If you watch series 2 of Torchwood you
might even become a fully fledged mincer yourself, complete with mashed
potatoes and gravy.
>
> marc
Agamemnon
The fact that RTG has turned Doctor Who and Torchwood into the Paul Daniels
Magic Show has now got you believing in the witches as well as turning you
gay.
There are no such things as witches, and homosexuality is a choice of how to
masturbate.
>
> marc
L. Ross Raszewski
So what's the excahange rate between a kiss and a shag? Surely
full-on copulation counts for more than a simple kiss. We have never
*ever* seen homosexual intercourse in this show. We have seen --
actually seen -- heterosexual intercourse.
>
>12? I don't remember 12. There were 2 heterosexual acts shown and one
>attempted act with someone who said he was gay. Thus there were 2 gay
>references and 2 heterosexual references, whereas to balance out 2 gay
>references 32 heterosexual acts of sex should have been shown. Thus the
>episode was 30 hetrosexual acts short, or 45 heterosexual act short (shown
>on screen) if you count the gay reference in the sperm bank as one for both
>sides.
You didn't see the piles of victims as they searched the sperm bank?
>
>There was a gay kiss between Jack and Closetgay compared with a kiss between
>Closetgay and Cyberbird and one between Welshbird and Coyckyboy. Therefore
>there are 14 heterosexual acts short of equality.
So all acts are equal? Then there were at least 20 longing looks
between Yanto and the cyberwoman. Heteros win this one.
If you think that a fleeting contextless kiss equals a long term
romantic relationship which drove a man to betray his friends, risk
his life, and nearly unleash cybernetitization on the world, then I
get to count every time everyone flirts, or even *thinks* about
heterosexual sex. Hell, I get to count the sex everyone's *parents*
must have at some point had in order to become parents.
>>
>No. Only 2 acts of straight sex were shown and the sperm doner was gay so
>that doesn't count.
>
Eh. I give up. You are too insane to hold an argument. I have never
met anyone straight *or* gay so obsessed with gay sex.
marc_CH
> The fact that you are trying to defend the proselytisation of homosexuality
> shows that RTG is making you turn gay step by step, whereas I have been able
> to resist his sexual brainwashing.
The fact that you even think there is such a thing as 'sexual
brainwashing' only reveals that you seriously think it's something to
which you are vulnerable.
marc
marc_CH
> There are no such things as witches, and homosexuality is a choice of
> how to masturbate.
Sig material. Ta.
marc
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Do shut up, you big tit...
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: "Stephen Wilson" <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
: > How much screen time was devoted to the examples you've given? 60%?
Not a
: > chance.
:
: WRONG. 60% of the episodes had a homoerotic theme whereas it should
have
: only been 70% of 6% or the episodes, or one and only ONE episode over
two
: whole seasons worth that should have had a homosexual sub-plot.
So, in other words, you are saying that every television programme's
content should match the general population, so as not to
over-represent or under-represent any group. It sounds like you are
advocating political correctness, to me.
: He is doing that because he wants to convert people to homosexuality.
And
: don't tell me that that is not possible. That is BOLLOCKS. Anyone can
be
: converted to homosexuality. Just look at ancient Athens where they
were
: bisexual.
These science-fiction shows have a disturbingly high amount of content
related to time travel. Does that mean that the writers are trying to
convert people into time travelers?
Mother Farquhar
> The fact that you are both looking for and documenting homosexuality
> shows just how screechingly gay you actually are.
Or maybe he doesn't like too much homosexuality on the screen? You pathetic
idiot.
The Bronze
You're retarded.
The Bronze
stcoop
Mother Farquhar wrote:
And yet he continued to watch a series he hates by a man he hates,
having spent two years watching another series he hates by the same man
he hates, just so he can complain about how much he hates them.
That leaves only one "pathetic idiot" that I can see. (Well, two if we
include you for defending him.)
Diane L.
"Mother Farquhar" <fa...@ddress.com> wrote in message
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Well, personally, if I don't like something on the screen, I don't watch it.
Case in
point - I don't like miserable characters treating eat other like shit on
screen, so I
don't watch Eastenders. If I watched Eastenders every single time it was on,
just
so I could get upset about all the miserable characters treating each other
like
shit, I'd have to think there was something lacking in my life. Like a life.
Diane L.
solar penguin
stcoop wrote:
> And yet he continued to watch a series he hates by a man he hates,
> having spent two years watching another series he hates by the same man
> he hates, just so he can complain about how much he hates them.
>
> That leaves only one "pathetic idiot" that I can see. (Well, two if we
> include you for defending him.)
To be fair to Aggie, how else is he going to complain?
Whenever I've complained about TEC being shit despite never having
watched it, people here always tell me my opinion doesn't count and I
should at least watch the episode before complaining.
But when Aggie _does_ watch the episode and then complains, people say
his opinion doesn't count because he shouldn't've watched it?
Does this ng have double standards or what?
solar penguin
Diane L. wrote:
> Well, personally, if I don't like something on the screen, I don't watch it.
> Case in
> point - I don't like miserable characters treating eat other like shit on
> screen, so I
> don't watch Eastenders. If I watched Eastenders every single time it was on,
> just
> so I could get upset about all the miserable characters treating each other
> like
> shit, I'd have to think there was something lacking in my life. Like a life.
True, but I but the people on the EastEnders newsgroups don't take your
rants and complaints seriously. Think how much more effective it's be
if you actually _watched_ the episodes before complaining about them.
Abo
> "Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4vtjnsF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> While Agatha tends to talk tripe on the matter of homosexuals, even my wife
> made a comment over what goes through RTD's mind and whether he has an
> agenda. It was quite blatant in this episode. And I'm sure to have two guys
> kissing each other during the 1940's in the middle of a dance floor would
> have started a riot
Maybe that's why the real Captain Jack died the following day; fragged
by his own side for being gay.
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> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
> to proselytise homosexuality.
>
> Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
> sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
>
> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex with Closetgay
> Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory, Jack does Jack.
> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again,
> Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse once again.
Who cares? Only you...
stcoop
solar penguin wrote:
> Whenever I've complained about TEC being shit despite never having
> watched it, people here always tell me my opinion doesn't count and I
> should at least watch the episode before complaining.
>
> But when Aggie _does_ watch the episode and then complains, people say
> his opinion doesn't count because he shouldn't've watched it?
>
> Does this ng have double standards or what?
The point is he's now watched over thirty hours of television (DW & TW)
apparently solely for the purpose of complaining about how bad they
are.
Most sane people would reach a point where they realise, "Hang on, I'm
never going to like this so maybe I'd be happier watching something
else instead," well before thirty hours (and two and a half years) had
passed.
solar penguin
stcoop <stc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The point is he's now watched over thirty hours of television (DW &
> TW) apparently solely for the purpose of complaining about how bad
> they are.
Well, of course. How else is he going to complain about them?
> Most sane people would reach a point where they realise, "Hang on, I'm
> never going to like this so maybe I'd be happier watching something
> else instead," well before thirty hours (and two and a half years) had
> passed.
That's because most people, myself included, are too weak willed. We'd
rather do what we want or what we enjoy rather than what we ought to.
It's all part of the moral sickness that's gripping modern society.
And if we don't like something then we _ought to_ go out of our way to
complain about it. I don't agree with all of Aggie's points (in fact I
completely disagree with most of them) but I admire and respect the
dedication he's put into making them. I wish I could do the same.
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"The Coca Cola Kid" <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Agamemnon wrote:
> : "Stephen Wilson" <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> : > How much screen time was devoted to the examples you've given? 60%?
> Not a
> : > chance.
> :
> : WRONG. 60% of the episodes had a homoerotic theme whereas it should
> have
> : only been 70% of 6% or the episodes, or one and only ONE episode over
> two
> : whole seasons worth that should have had a homosexual sub-plot.
>
> So, in other words, you are saying that every television programme's
> content should match the general population, so as not to
> over-represent or under-represent any group.
Correct.
>It sounds like you are
> advocating political correctness, to me.
I am not advocating anything political. I am advocating fairness. RTG is the
one with a political agenda.
>
> : He is doing that because he wants to convert people to homosexuality.
> And
> : don't tell me that that is not possible. That is BOLLOCKS. Anyone can
> be
> : converted to homosexuality. Just look at ancient Athens where they
> were
> : bisexual.
>
> These science-fiction shows have a disturbingly high amount of content
> related to time travel. Does that mean that the writers are trying to
> convert people into time travelers?
>
Torchwood is supposed to be a science fiction show not a show about
homosexuals, just like Kojak was a supposed to be a cop show not a show
about Greek Americans, but whereas Kojak was made and sold as a cop show
even with the lead role being played by a Greek American actor, Torchwood
has been sold as a science fiction show but is actually being made as a show
about homosexuals all because the lead actor has been chosen to be gay.
Whereas only one story in the original series of Kojak ever had a Greek
American storyline (about a girl than went missing) 60% of the episodes of
Torchwood have been about homosexuality. Kojak was recently remade with the
lead role given to a black actor, but will RTG ever allow Torchwood to be
made with totally straight actors and straight story lives. Never. The bloke
is a BIGOT! Kojak reflected the fact that only about 2% of Americans were of
Greek origin and did not dwell on the fact, but Torchwood is being made as
if 60% of the population is Gay and not just 6% and is completely obsessed
with proselytising.
Agamemnon
"Diane L." <dian...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mother Farquhar" <fa...@ddress.com> wrote in message
> news:W2qmh.68641$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>>> The fact that you are both looking for and documenting homosexuality
>>> shows just how screechingly gay you actually are.
>>
>> Or maybe he doesn't like too much homosexuality on the screen? You
>> pathetic idiot.
>
> Well, personally, if I don't like something on the screen, I don't watch
> it. Case in
> point - I don't like miserable characters treating eat other like shit on
> screen, so I
So why do you watch Torchwood then since that's exactly how the characters
treat each other?
> don't watch Eastenders. If I watched Eastenders every single time it was
> on, just
> so I could get upset about all the miserable characters treating each
> other like
> shit, I'd have to think there was something lacking in my life. Like a
> life.
Then why do you watch Torchwood?
>
> Diane L.
>
Agamemnon
NO.
> *ever* seen homosexual intercourse in this show. We have seen --
> actually seen -- heterosexual intercourse.
No we haven't.
Have you seen any porn videos lately. Although Gayvies wart's to make porn
he can't even do that properly. Where are the shots of breasts and vaginas.
All that Gayvies shows is men's arses.
>
>>
>>12? I don't remember 12. There were 2 heterosexual acts shown and one
>>attempted act with someone who said he was gay. Thus there were 2 gay
>>references and 2 heterosexual references, whereas to balance out 2 gay
>>references 32 heterosexual acts of sex should have been shown. Thus the
>>episode was 30 hetrosexual acts short, or 45 heterosexual act short (shown
>>on screen) if you count the gay reference in the sperm bank as one for
>>both
>>sides.
>
> You didn't see the piles of victims as they searched the sperm bank?
What do you mean piles. If there were piles of them then they were not dead
since all of Killercuts victims turned to dust, and only one person was
shown being approached in the sperm bank and he said he was gay.
>
>>
>>There was a gay kiss between Jack and Closetgay compared with a kiss
>>between
>>Closetgay and Cyberbird and one between Welshbird and Coyckyboy. Therefore
>>there are 14 heterosexual acts short of equality.
>
> So all acts are equal? Then there were at least 20 longing looks
> between Yanto and the cyberwoman. Heteros win this one.
And just as many between Closetgay and Captain Jack.
>
> If you think that a fleeting contextless kiss equals a long term
> romantic relationship which drove a man to betray his friends, risk
> his life, and nearly unleash cybernetitization on the world, then I
> get to count every time everyone flirts, or even *thinks* about
> heterosexual sex. Hell, I get to count the sex everyone's *parents*
> must have at some point had in order to become parents.
>
>>>
>>No. Only 2 acts of straight sex were shown and the sperm doner was gay so
>>that doesn't count.
>>
>
> Eh. I give up. You are too insane to hold an argument. I have never
> met anyone straight *or* gay so obsessed with gay sex.
You lost the moral point long ago. Accept defeat graciously.
Diane L.
"solar penguin" <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1167737327....@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In defense of my ranting and complaining ability, I'd like to point out that
the reason no one takes them seriously on the Eastenders newsgroups is
that I don't actually frequent the Eastenders newsgroups. If I did, I could
rant and complain without ever seeing the episodes. Look at Yads, he
doesn't have to watch the episodes to know filth when he doesn't see it.
:-)
Diane L.
Agamemnon
"Abo" <n...@spam.thanks> wrote in message news:endgcf$n1j$1...@news.datemas.de...
> Nod wrote:
>> "Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4vtjnsF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> While Agatha tends to talk tripe on the matter of homosexuals, even my
>> wife made a comment over what goes through RTD's mind and whether he has
>> an agenda. It was quite blatant in this episode. And I'm sure to have two
>> guys kissing each other during the 1940's in the middle of a dance floor
>> would have started a riot
>
> Maybe that's why the real Captain Jack died the following day; fragged by
> his own side for being gay.
That's what I thought.
Wasn't homosexuality banned in the British armed forces until some court
case at the ECHR in the 90's, and isn't it still illegal to be gay in the US
armed forces?
Jack Harkness would have been court-marshalled for coming out as gay in the
1940's and would never have been allowed to fly after doing so. It's would
have been straight to the brig.
RTG is a historical revisionist which proves he is just another bigot with
an axe to grind.
Diane L.
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> "L. Ross Raszewski" <lrasz...@loyola.edu> wrote in message
> news:RCkmh.5713$5q6.5477@trndny02...
<snip>
>> As this is as far as I've seen, that's as far as I'll comment. But so
>> far, here's what we have in the gay camp:
>> 3 kisses, two under the influence of aliens, and apparantly contrary
>> to the actual desires of one of the participants
>> 1 discussion of Jack's sexuality
>>
>> And in the straight camp:
>> 1 ongoing heterosexual relationship (Gwen & Rhys)
>> 1 'illicit' heterosexual relationship (Gwen & Owen)
>> 1 character driven to desperate and unwise actions due to heterosexual
>> love: (Yanto over Cyberwoman)
>> 1 straight kiss under the influence of alien technology (Owen and his
>> victim)
>> 12 or so actual acts of heterosexual sex between the sex alien and
>> sperm donors
>
> No. Only 2 acts of straight sex were shown and the sperm doner was gay so
> that doesn't count.
So how come Gwen's and Owen's same sex kisses count when they're both
shown as otherwise straight?
I'd accuse you of double standards but that would imply that I thought you
had any.
Diane L.
Diane L.
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> "Diane L." <dian...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:459a367d$0$8714$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>
>> "Mother Farquhar" <fa...@ddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:W2qmh.68641$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>>> The fact that you are both looking for and documenting homosexuality
>>>> shows just how screechingly gay you actually are.
>>>
>>> Or maybe he doesn't like too much homosexuality on the screen? You
>>> pathetic idiot.
>>
>> Well, personally, if I don't like something on the screen, I don't watch
>> it. Case in
>> point - I don't like miserable characters treating eat other like shit on
>> screen, so I
>
> So why do you watch Torchwood then since that's exactly how the characters
> treat each other?
Because there's the occasional respite from the unrelenting misery, and
at least we get some aliens to liven up the plot occasionally. I've enjoyed
some of the episode of Torchwood but not others. If I'd hated them all I
would have stopped watching long ago.
>
>> don't watch Eastenders. If I watched Eastenders every single time it was
>> on, just
>> so I could get upset about all the miserable characters treating each
>> other like
>> shit, I'd have to think there was something lacking in my life. Like a
>> life.
>
> Then why do you watch Torchwood?
I enjoy enough of it to make it worth my time. What's your reason?
Diane L.
Agamemnon
Have they, have they really. Gayvies wouldn't agree with that idea at all.
As far as he is concerned everyone is either a gay or a closet gay.
>
> Diane L.
>
>
Diane L.
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
Yes, they have.
> Gayvies wouldn't agree with that idea at all. As far as he is concerned
> everyone is either a gay or a closet gay.
Not being a mind reader, I couldn't comment on that. I'm just going
by the characters' words and actions in the series, not on my telepathic
impressions of the originator's mind.
Diane L.
solar penguin
L. Ross Raszewski <lrasz...@loyola.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>> Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
> Exactly matched by his *straight* kiss. Current gay-to-straight ratio:
> 1:1
> Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
> the influence of alien drugs.
>
>> Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
>
> About a dozen acts of heterosexual *intercourse* Current ratio: 13:2
> Also, total gay acts: two kisses. Total straight acts: 12 instances
> of coitus.
> Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
> the influence of alien sexnology.
>
>> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
>
> Plus a hot woman wearing nothing but a metal thong for the entire
> episode. Plus a plot whose ENTIRE POINT revolves around a man's
> heterosexual devotion to his girlfriend. Plus Gwen and Owen kiss.
> Current ratio: 15:3
>
>
> As this is as far as I've seen, that's as far as I'll comment.
I'll take over from here.
Aggie missed out a few episodes:
Blackmailedblakebloke => Blakebloke raped and murdered Sixtiesbird.
Jack flirts with Gwen. Gwen relives her early romance with Rhys.
(Note, since Evacueeboy grew up to be a grandfather, it might be
reasonable to assume that he had some heterosexual sex at some time, but
I don't want to open the whole Susan/Loom/Other debate, so I'm not
counting it.
Total so far: Straight 18 Gay 3.
Scaryfaries => Jack is reuinited with his old girlfriend.
Creepylittlegirl has a stepfather, so her mum must have had sex with at
least two men in her life. Paedophilebloke likes little girls, which is
very icky but still technically heterosexual.
Total so far: Straight 22 Gay 3
Thevalleyshaveeys => Welshbird and Cockneybloke begin an affair.
Total so far: Straight 23 Gay 3
>> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
BTW I find the term "Jap" racially offensive, Can't you call her
Nerdbird instead? It's less racist, and it rhymes too!
Anyway, Nerdbird also reads the thoughts of various people including a
man who wants to kill himself and his wife and chidren (insane but still
straight), and a man wearing his wife's underwear (very kinky but once
again technically still straight). (Note: She also reads Gwen and
Owen's minds but I already counted them last time, so I'm not counting
them again.)
Total so far: Straight 25 Gay 4
>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>> with Closetgay
Glovebird had a relationship with Brainwashedserialkiller.
Brainwashedserialkiller kills a straight married couple. We also saw
Glovebird's father who was presumably straight.
Total so far: Straight 28 Gay 5
Geekghost => Geekghost was in love with Officebird. We also saw
Geekghost's parents who were presumably straight.
Total so far: Straight 30 Gay 5
>> Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
...to a woman, so that wasn't gay.
Meanwhile, Cockygeezer fucks Pilotbird twice (but I'm only going to
count it once). Fiftiesbird gets chatted up by a man in a nightclub.
And Fiftiesman was a father, so he was presumably straight.
Total so far: Straight 33 Gay 5
Weevilfightclub => I'm surprised you didn't mention the definite sexual
tension between Owen and Evilestateagent. If that wasn't homoerotic
subtext, I don't know what was!
Total so far: Straight 33 Gay 6
>> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory,
>> Jack does Jack.
Meanwhile, three or four men lust after Toshiko. Youngpilotbloke and
Brunette Fortiesbird are in love with each other. And Blonde
Fortiesbird is secretly in love with Fortiesjack.
Total so far: Straight 38 Gay 6
>> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again,
>> Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse once again.
And once again his arse was shown in a completely non-homosexual
context. I'm not sure why each time you see his arse you immediately
think of gay sex. It probably says more about you than it does about
him!
Meanwhile, it's Gwen's love for Rhys that leads her to defy Jack, and
her love for Jack that leads her to defy the others.
Total so far: Straight 40 Gay 7.
That's 14.9% gay. Higher than the 6% you claim is the national average.
But then you'd expect a modern, cosmopolitan city to have a higher
percentage of gays than average anyway. I think 14.9% is well within
the acceptable limits of what's expected.
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solar penguin
Diane L. <dian...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
> In defense of my ranting and complaining ability, I'd like to point
> out that the reason no one takes them seriously on the Eastenders
> newsgroups is
> that I don't actually frequent the Eastenders newsgroups.
Then you can't _really_ hate EastEnders, if you don't even hate it
enough to do that.
> If I did, I
> could rant and complain without ever seeing the episodes. Look at
> Yads, he doesn't have to watch the episodes to know filth when he
> doesn't see it. :-)
And does _anyone_ take Yads seriously? Does _anyone_ admire and respect
his dedication?
I rest my case.
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"solar penguin" <solar....@OMIT.tiscali.THESE.co.WORDS.uk> wrote in
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<piggybacking on sp's post, because I'm not going looking to the original>
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
>> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>>> with Closetgay
I note no one's challenged this. What the hell *was* that all about
anyway? Some sort of highly significant and suggestive talk about
"what you can do with a stop-watch" and then it's the end of the
episode and no one ever refers to it again (unless it was referred to
in the final two episodes, which I'll be watching on Wednesday).
Now I'll admit that I thought there was some sort of sexual
reference going on there, but I'm buggered (if you'll forgive the
expression) if I can see what, or why. Maybe I'm just not dirty-
minded enough. Maybe they were just boiling an egg.
Diane L.
Jim Vieira
news:1167738429....@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Solar Penguin seems to always try and find a way to be on the other
side of everyone else, even when it's illogical. He must know what you
just said. Yet for some reason, he jumps in to be the maverick, outside
the box thinker.
Shinju
choose to do that not just within a show but over the whole of its
output.
Overall on BBC3 the number of 'gay' programmes is at about 10% (which
despite your claims of only 2-3% is the more commonly accepted figure)
Also a quick survey of Doctor Who fans will also give you a much
higher proportion of gay men that the usual demographic. Probably
because it was a TV programme without much overt heterosexuality. Its
not really that surprising its more than a little bit Gay.
What it comes down to really though, is that RTD wrote it, and he's
gay, deal with it. If you want a more hetero programme - you write it.
Until youve show you can produce successful TV series like he has
though, dont expect the rest of us to take much notice of your
opinion.
Shinju
You could also argue that because there are other programs on BBC3
with no gay presence that would also balance it out
Jim Vieira
> And if we don't like something then we _ought to_ go out of our way to
> complain about it. I don't agree with all of Aggie's points (in fact I
> completely disagree with most of them) but I admire and respect the
> dedication he's put into making them. I wish I could do the same.
That is just silly.
The Face of Po
Agamemnon got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>
> "hulahoop" <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167697643....@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I really should know better than to respond to this....but here we go
> >
> > 83.2% of statistics are made up, and this thread has helped to prove it
> > by using figures that are not part of the 16.8% that are true
>
> That statistic has been made up.
*whoosh*
> > If 60% of this programme had been dedicated to homoerotica, there would
> > have been about 7-8 hours gay sex, references to gay sex and plenty of
> > other things that you seem to have a problem with
>
> RUBBISH
Sorry hulahoop, he's got you here. (13 episodes) times (3/4 of an hour
per episode) times (60%) is only 5.85 hours.
Of course, Agado's still wrong that there was even as much as 5.85 hours
of gay sex or references to it.
> Since only 6% of the population are gay for every gay kiss on Torchwood
> there should have been 16 heterosexual kisses. How many heterosexual kisses
> were shown in Cpatianjackdoescaptianjack. ONE!
>
> For every shot of Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse there should have been 16 shots
> of Welshbird's tits. Since Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse was shown twice there
> should have been 32 shots of Welshbird's tits. NOT ONE shot of her tits was
> shown, nor any other bird's tits.
>
> How do you explain that?
The shots of male arses were put in the for the straight women in the
audience?
Seriously, though - male arses are frequently shown for comedy value.
See Mr Bean, or Spearhead from Space. On the other hand, tit shots are
more commonly put in for titillation. And Rhys' arse was, let's face
it, a bit saggy and not likely to be much of a turn-on.
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Postcards to Hell,
Hey Satan - you rock!
Adam Highway
Agamemnon wrote:
> "The Bronze" <steve...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1167694207.3...@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Agamemnon wrote:
> >> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
> >> to
> >> proselytise homosexuality.
> >>
> >> Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
> >> sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
> >>
> >> Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
> >> Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
> >> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
> >> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
> >> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex with Closetgay
> >> Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
> >> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory, Jack does Jack.
> >> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again, Welshbirdsfuckmate
> >> shows his arse once again.
> >>
> >> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
> >
> >
> > You're such a bummer...... Fagamemnon, come out come out!
>
> If I were to indulge in bumming it would be with women's bums alone.
And yet, when I mentioned that many straight men enjoy anal sex with
women, in response to some idiotic comment from you that RTD is trying
to "promote anal sex" you refused to accept it. Consistency, please.
solar penguin
Diane L. <dian...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
>>> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>>>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>>>> with Closetgay
>
> I note no one's challenged this. What the hell *was* that all about
> anyway? Some sort of highly significant and suggestive talk about
> "what you can do with a stop-watch" and then it's the end of the
> episode and no one ever refers to it again (unless it was referred to
> in the final two episodes, which I'll be watching on Wednesday).
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** Elves were plunged into the lead.
Michel Boucher
news:tO6dnYP81-E-cATY...@pipex.net:
>> The fact that you are both looking for and documenting
>> homosexuality shows just how screechingly gay you actually are.
>
> The fact that you are trying to defend the proselytisation of
> homosexuality shows that RTG is making you turn gay step by step,
> whereas I have been able to resist his sexual brainwashing. If you
> watch series 2 of Torchwood you might even become a fully fledged
> mincer yourself, complete with mashed potatoes and gravy.
Do you know anyone, I mean anyone at all, who actually agrees with you
and who hasn't told you to chill? Just wondering.
You have the acumen of a rock. By commenting on your fixation on RTD,
we are NOT defending anything. Rather we find your obvious phobia
somewhat disturbing.
If watching season 2 will turn me (at my age) into a "fully-fledged
mincer" when I have in the past 60 years never expressed the slightest
interest in homosexuality as a lifestyle, then you will have been
right. But I suspect, in fact I know, this will not happen.
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That's how the light gets in."
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Michel Boucher
news:1167736900....@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> To be fair to Aggie, how else is he going to complain?
He could write to the BBC. Probably already has.
solar penguin
> "solar penguin" <solar....@googlemail.com> scripsit in
> news:1167736900....@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> To be fair to Aggie, how else is he going to complain?
>
> He could write to the BBC. Probably already has.
And would the BBC take him seriously if he was complaining without even
watching the programme first?
I don't agree with Aggie's complaints. But I'll defend his right to
watch the show in order to be able to make them!
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** The Atreides will not allow this kind of lead.
solar penguin
Jim Vieira <Whipl...@wiDOT.rrDOT.com> wrote:
> Solar Penguin seems to always try and find a way to be on the other
> side of everyone else, even when it's illogical. He must know what
> you just said. Yet for some reason, he jumps in to be the maverick,
> outside the box thinker.
I have very strong, very fixed beliefs on what is right and what is
wrong. I stand by those beliefs and will always argue for them. If you
don't like that, then tough.
In this case, I believe Aggie is wrong in every detail of his opinion of
Torchwood. But I also believe he should have the right to watch
Torchwood if he wants, no matter how wrong his opinion of it is.
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** Then in 1990 he moved back to town?
** I see your point. I'm afraid she's scheduled to be abusive. He kinda
freaked out back there.
Michel Boucher
scripsit in news:459a6cf7$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
>> He could write to the BBC. Probably already has.
>
> And would the BBC take him seriously if he was complaining without
> even watching the programme first?
Well, if he addresses the distribution network and can't get
satisfaction, he sure as hell won't get any here.
There must be a broadcast standards board in the UK, much like the CRTC
in Canada and the FAA in the US (at least I seem to recall it's the
FAA). He can try there first. We are not in a position to change this
at all. Basically, he is wasting his time, our time, and he comes off
looking like a nim-null.
Michel Boucher
news:Xns98AC62928303...@216.196.97.131:
> and the FAA in the US
FCC?
Diane L.
:-)
Thank you.
Diane L.
Diane L.
> Michel Boucher <alsa...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> "solar penguin" <solar....@googlemail.com> scripsit in
>> news:1167736900....@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> To be fair to Aggie, how else is he going to complain?
>>
>> He could write to the BBC. Probably already has.
>
> And would the BBC take him seriously if he was complaining without even
> watching the programme first?
>
> I don't agree with Aggie's complaints. But I'll defend his right to
> watch the show in order to be able to make them!
Oh, I agree he has the right to watch Torchwood just to complain about
it if he wants to. People have the right to sit in a bath of cold porridge
while having rotten tomatoes thrown at them and having their feet tickled
with chicken feathers if they want to. But I have the right to think it's
weird.
Diane L.
Adam Highway
Michel Boucher wrote:
> "solar penguin" <solar....@OMIT.tiscali.THESE.co.WORDS.uk>
> scripsit in news:459a6cf7$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com:
>
> >> He could write to the BBC. Probably already has.
> >
> > And would the BBC take him seriously if he was complaining without
> > even watching the programme first?
>
> Well, if he addresses the distribution network and can't get
> satisfaction, he sure as hell won't get any here.
>
> There must be a broadcast standards board in the UK, much like the CRTC
> in Canada and the FAA in the US (at least I seem to recall it's the
> FAA). He can try there first. We are not in a position to change this
> at all. Basically, he is wasting his time, our time, and he comes off
> looking like a nim-null.
It's the FCC - Federal Communications Commission. FAA is the Federal
Aviation Authority. And yes, standards are monitored by OfCom here,
very much like the FCC and CRTC.
Adam Highway
Michel Boucher wrote:
Thank you. Common sense!
As for the comments made about the kiss between the Captains at the
time, yes, it could have been a problem. But I have observed a great
degree of pragmatism in people of that generation. Those who lived
through the war tend to have a live and let live attitude that's sadly
lacking in people who haven't had major events through light on what's
really important!
Richard Collier
news:459a6477$0$18113$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
Yes. It was/is brave to stand up for your beliefs in the real world
but this is just a piece of TV drama, Having made his points several
time, Aggie should just stop watching.
Stephen Wilson
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> "Stephen Wilson" <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:AWgmh.32406$Qa6....@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>>> What more evidence do you need to prove that Gayviews is using Torchwood
>>> to proselytise homosexuality.
>>>
>>> Despite only 6% of the population being gay, and only 70% of them being
>>> sexually active, over 60% of Torchwood has been devoted to homoerotica!
>>>
>>> Glovebird => Cockyboy's gay kiss
>>> Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
>>> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
>>> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
>>> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory, Jack does Jack.
>>> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again,
>>> Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse once again.
>>>
>>> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>>
>>
>> How much screen time was devoted to the examples you've given? 60%? Not a
>> chance.
>
> WRONG. 60% of the episodes had a homoerotic theme whereas it should have
> only been 70% of 6% or the episodes, or one and only ONE episode over two
> whole seasons worth that should have had a homosexual sub-plot.
WRONG. Just because you think there are homoerotic elements scattered all
over the place doesn't mean they're actually there.
For example, in Everything Changes (laughably referred to by you as
Glovebird), Owen (even more laughably referred to by you as Cockyboy) does
not have a gay kiss. A (heterosexual) woman's (heterosexual) boyfriend
threatens (heterosexual) Owen who sprays the boyfriend to get out of an
awkward situation.
If you're seeing homoeroticism there, you're clearly one fucked up
individual.
>> We all know RTD intentionally blurred the lines. Made it difficult to
>> emphatically state which characters are gay and which are heterosexual.
>> Why is that such a problem for you?
>
> He is doing that because he wants to convert people to homosexuality. And
> don't tell me that that is not possible. That is BOLLOCKS. Anyone can be
> converted to homosexuality. Just look at ancient Athens where they were
> bisexual.
OK. You've watched every episode. If you weren't gay before the series
started, you must be by now.
I've already given you an example of rams. 1 in 10 rams are gay. In other
words, the same prevalence as for the human population. So how are rams
converted to being gay?
>>
>> Oh, and here's a current story you might find interesting:
>> Scientists are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of "gay"
>> sheep in a programme that critics fear could pave the way for breeding
>> out homosexuality in humans.
>
> Homosexuality is a controllable mental choice, based on satisfying your
> urge to ejaculate.
I feel sorry for you if that's the only love you've ever known.
>> The technique being developed by American researchers adjusts the
>> hormonal balance in the brains of homosexual rams so that they are more
>> inclined to mate with ewes.
>> It raises the prospect that pregnant women could one day be offered a
>> treatment to reduce or eliminate the chance that their offspring will be
>> homosexual. Experts say that, in theory, the "straightening" procedure on
>> humans could be as simple as a hormone supplement for mothers-to-be, worn
>> on the skin like an anti-smoking nicotine patch.
>> The research, at Oregon State University in the city of Corvallis and at
>> the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, has caused an
>> outcry. Martina Navratilova, the lesbian tennis player who won Wimbledon
>> nine times, and scientists and gay rights campaigners in Britain have
>> called for the project to be abandoned.
>> Navratilova defended the "right" of sheep to be gay. She said: "How can
>> it be that in the year 2006 a major university would host such homophobic
>> and cruel experiments?" She said gay men and lesbians would be "deeply
>> offended" by the social implications of the tests.
>> But the researchers argue that the work is valid, shedding light on the
>> "broad question" of what determines sexual orientation. They insist the
>> work is not aimed at "curing" homosexuality.
>> Approximately one ram in 10 prefers to mount other rams rather than mate
>> with ewes, reducing its value to a farmer. Initially, the publicly funded
>> project aimed to improve the productivity of herds.
>> The scientists have been able to pinpoint the mechanisms influencing the
>> desires of "male-oriented" rams by studying their brains. The animals'
>> skulls are cut open and electronic sensors are attached to their brains.
>> By varying the hormone levels, mainly by injecting hormones into the
>> brain, they have had "considerable success" in altering the rams'
>> sexuality, with some previously gay animals becoming attracted to ewes.
>
> So what it is saying is that homosexuality in animals is caused by the
> environment. If they are given a healthy balance of hormones they will
> behave normally.
I'm saying nothing. I just quoted a story. And you've reached the wrong
conclusion. Farmers are saying that 1 in 10 rams are gay. They don't *want*
gay rams - it affects their productivity. It's got sod all to do with the
environment. It's simply that 1 in 10 rams would rather mate with a ram
instead of a sheep. They are gay.
> What these sheep need is the equivalent of some good porno mags. This will
> have them producing the right hormones with no need for injections.
A gay man is not turned on by pictures of naked women - he's turned on by
naked men. A gay ram is not turned on by sheep - he's turned on by other
rams.
Agamemnon
Torchwood is been promoted as a science fiction show not as a gay show. If
Gayvies wants to make a show about gays let him keep it out of the Doctor
Who franchise. The majority of Doctor Who fans are straight or don't want
and kind of sex portrayed on the show and that is over 99%.
"Shinju" <Shi...@Fluffypeople.com> wrote in message
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Stephen Wilson
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>>
>> Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess that's the whole point. He has nothing better to do. So he
>>> watches it. And then enjoys telling us how much he hated it. And then
>>> enjoys watching us rise to the bait each week.
>>
>> I've been thinking of doing that with EastEnders. I reckon there's
>> probably a lot of fun to be had in moaning about how crap that is.
>
> Well here's on to get you started. On Christmas Day they killed off
> Pauline. FOR FUCKS SAKE it was Christmas Day. People want to enjoy
> themselves and celebrate the birth of Christ and all that Eastenders does
> every single fucking Christmas episode is to try to upset its viewers.
> This kind of perversion should not be allowed.
No they don't. Most people I know want to have a holiday. They want to have
fun. The last thing they want is some obsessive religious cult trying to ram
their message down everyone's throat.
Agamemnon
You obviously have not watched the Declassified episodes. Gayvies has state
point blank that he's deliberately made everyone in Torchwood a gay or a
closet gay.
>
> Diane L.
>
Stephen Wilson
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> "hulahoop" <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1167697643....@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>I really should know better than to respond to this....but here we go
>>
>> 83.2% of statistics are made up, and this thread has helped to prove it
>> by using figures that are not part of the 16.8% that are true
>
> That statistic has been made up.
>
>>
>> have been about 7-8 hours gay sex, references to gay sex and plenty of
>> other things that you seem to have a problem with
>
> RUBBISH
>
> there should have been 16 heterosexual kisses. How many heterosexual
> kisses were shown in Cpatianjackdoescaptianjack. ONE!
>
> For every shot of Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse there should have been 16
> shots of Welshbird's tits. Since Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse was shown twice
> there should have been 32 shots of Welshbird's tits. NOT ONE shot of her
> tits was shown, nor any other bird's tits.
>
> How do you explain that?
>
It's not the show that is completely unbalanced. It's you.
Agamemnon
>
> "solar penguin" <solar....@OMIT.tiscali.THESE.co.WORDS.uk> wrote in
> message news:459a5bf2$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> <piggybacking on sp's post, because I'm not going looking to the original>
>
>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
>>> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>>>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>>>> with Closetgay
>
> I note no one's challenged this. What the hell *was* that all about
> anyway? Some sort of highly significant and suggestive talk about
> "what you can do with a stop-watch" and then it's the end of the
> episode and no one ever refers to it again (unless it was referred to
> in the final two episodes, which I'll be watching on Wednesday).
Its referred to in Captainjackdoescaptainjack in the scene where Closetgay
tries to stop Cockyboy for activating the rift machine and calls Closetgay
Jacks bumchum or something similar.
Ignis Fatuus
<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>"hulahoop" <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1167697643....@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>I really should know better than to respond to this....but here we go
>>
>> 83.2% of statistics are made up, and this thread has helped to prove it
>> by using figures that are not part of the 16.8% that are true
>
>That statistic has been made up.
>
>>
>> If 60% of this programme had been dedicated to homoerotica, there would
>> have been about 7-8 hours gay sex, references to gay sex and plenty of
>> other things that you seem to have a problem with
>
>RUBBISH
>
>Since only 6% of the population are gay for every gay kiss on Torchwood
>there should have been 16 heterosexual kisses. How many heterosexual kisses
>were shown in Cpatianjackdoescaptianjack. ONE!
>
>For every shot of Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse there should have been 16 shots
>of Welshbird's tits. Since Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse was shown twice there
>should have been 32 shots of Welshbird's tits. NOT ONE shot of her tits was
>shown, nor any other bird's tits.
I think I saw some Bluetits in the Fairy Story.
Diane L.
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
No, just the series itself (except for the last two episodes, which I'll see
tomorrow). If it's not in the series itself, then it doesn't exist.
> Gayvies has state point blank that he's deliberately made everyone in
> Torchwood a gay or a closet gay.
Forgive me for doubting you, but were those his exact words?
Not that t matters anyway. He could have made them all Venusian chuggle-
huggers (a kind of alien plant that reproduces by sporing every full moon),
but unless he put something in the series to *show* that they're
Venusian chugglehuggers, it doesn't count.
Diane L.
Agamemnon
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> "Diane L." <dian...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:459a600a$0$8757$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>
>> "solar penguin" <solar....@OMIT.tiscali.THESE.co.WORDS.uk> wrote in
>> message news:459a5bf2$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>
>> <piggybacking on sp's post, because I'm not going looking to the
>> original>
>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
>>>> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>>>>> with Closetgay
>>
>> I note no one's challenged this. What the hell *was* that all about
>> anyway? Some sort of highly significant and suggestive talk about
>> "what you can do with a stop-watch" and then it's the end of the
>> episode and no one ever refers to it again (unless it was referred to
>> in the final two episodes, which I'll be watching on Wednesday).
>
> Its referred to in Captainjackdoescaptainjack in the scene where Closetgay
> tries to stop Cockyboy for activating the rift machine and calls Closetgay
> Jacks bumchum or something similar.
The actual word used was "playmate" I think.
Nod
>
>> Gayvies wouldn't agree with that idea at all. As far as he is concerned
>> everyone is either a gay or a closet gay.
>
> Not being a mind reader, I couldn't comment on that. I'm just going
> by the characters' words and actions in the series, not on my telepathic
> impressions of the originator's mind.
>
I have to begrudgingly agree with Agatha again. RTD was interviewed on
something and he did say that they were either homosexual or bisexual and
that there would be "lots of same sex kissing".
And statements like that do make you wonder where his head is. Why doesn't
he just go away and write another series of Queer As Folk?
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Agamemnon
"solar penguin" <solar....@OMIT.tiscali.THESE.co.WORDS.uk> wrote in
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>
> L. Ross Raszewski <lrasz...@loyola.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:22:16 -0000, Agamemnon
>> <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>
>> 1:1
>> Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
>> the influence of alien drugs.
>>
>>> Killercunt => Welshbird's lesbian kiss and talk about Jack being gay
>>
>> Also, total gay acts: two kisses. Total straight acts: 12 instances
>> of coitus.
>> Also, this episode's Gay Message: Homosexual behavior is induced by
>> the influence of alien sexnology.
>>
>>> Cyberbird => Jack kisses Closetgay
>>
>> episode. Plus a plot whose ENTIRE POINT revolves around a man's
>> heterosexual devotion to his girlfriend. Plus Gwen and Owen kiss.
>> Current ratio: 15:3
>>
>>
>> As this is as far as I've seen, that's as far as I'll comment.
>
>
> Aggie missed out a few episodes:
>
> Blackmailedblakebloke => Blakebloke raped and murdered Sixtiesbird.
> Jack flirts with Gwen. Gwen relives her early romance with Rhys.
If you are going to count flirting Jack also flirts with Closetgay when he
introduces him in episode 1 Golovebird. So thats one more gay act to add to
your gay count.
>
> (Note, since Evacueeboy grew up to be a grandfather, it might be
> reasonable to assume that he had some heterosexual sex at some time, but
> I don't want to open the whole Susan/Loom/Other debate, so I'm not
> counting it.
>
> Total so far: Straight 18 Gay 3.
No. Using your own count for straight though I don't necessarily agree with
them its Straight 18, Gay 4 so far.
>
> Scaryfaries => Jack is reuinited with his old girlfriend.
You mean Paedofairies.
> Creepylittlegirl has a stepfather, so her mum must have had sex with at
> least two men in her life. Paedophilebloke likes little girls, which is
> very icky but still technically heterosexual.
It is technically a hetrophobic act, and an act of perversion and should not
count.
>
> Total so far: Straight 22 Gay 3
No. Straight 22, Gay 4 so far
>
> Thevalleyshaveeys => Welshbird and Cockneybloke begin an affair.
>
> Total so far: Straight 23 Gay 3
Straight 23, Gay 4 so far
>
>>> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
>
> BTW I find the term "Jap" racially offensive, Can't you call her
> Nerdbird instead? It's less racist, and it rhymes too!
The term Jap is no racially offensive and was used in reference to Japbird
in Captainjackdoescaptianjack so can be considered to be canon.
>
> Anyway, Nerdbird also reads the thoughts of various people including a
> man who wants to kill himself and his wife and chidren (insane but still
> straight), and a man wearing his wife's underwear (very kinky but once
> again technically still straight). (Note: She also reads Gwen and
Rubbish. It is suggestive of transvestism and therefore gay. If you want to
including as a straight act then I was include it as a gay act as well to
make things equal.
> Owen's minds but I already counted them last time, so I'm not counting
> them again.)
>
> Total so far: Straight 25 Gay 4
Wrong. The relationship between Japbird and Lesbalien took up the majority
of the episode and outweighs everything else since it was used to
proselytise.
Keeping your own straight count its Straight 25, Gay 5 so far.
>
>>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>>> with Closetgay
>
> Glovebird had a relationship with Brainwashedserialkiller.
You mean Glovebird. Glovebird was not brainwashed by anyone.
> Brainwashedserialkiller kills a straight married couple. We also saw
> Glovebird's father who was presumably straight.
And she killed him which is a hetrophobic act.
>
> Total so far: Straight 28 Gay 5
Wrong.
Straight 25, Gay 6 so far.
>
> Geekghost => Geekghost was in love with Officebird. We also saw
> Geekghost's parents who were presumably straight.
>
> Total so far: Straight 30 Gay 5
Straight 30, Gay 6 so far.
>
>>> Fuckbuddies => Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse
>
> ...to a woman, so that wasn't gay.
>
> Meanwhile, Cockygeezer fucks Pilotbird twice (but I'm only going to
> count it once). Fiftiesbird gets chatted up by a man in a nightclub.
> And Fiftiesman was a father, so he was presumably straight.
>
> Total so far: Straight 33 Gay 5
No. Its Straight 33, Gay 6 so far.
>
> Weevilfightclub => I'm surprised you didn't mention the definite sexual
> tension between Owen and Evilestateagent. If that wasn't homoerotic
> subtext, I don't know what was!
>
> Total so far: Straight 33 Gay 6
Nope. Straight 33, Gay 7 so far.
>
>>> Captainjackdosecaptainjack => Title self explanatory,
>>> Jack does Jack.
>
> Meanwhile, three or four men lust after Toshiko. Youngpilotbloke and
> Brunette Fortiesbird are in love with each other. And Blonde
> Fortiesbird is secretly in love with Fortiesjack.
And Cocyboy calls Closetgay his Captain Jacks "playmate". Therefore add
another to the list of gayisms.
>
> Total so far: Straight 38 Gay 6
WRONG
Straight 38, Gay 8 so far using your count for straight and mine for gay
acts.
>
>>> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again,
>>> Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse once again.
>
> And once again his arse was shown in a completely non-homosexual
> context. I'm not sure why each time you see his arse you immediately
Rubbish. It was homoerotic for male viewers so you can count it both ways if
you like. You also failed to count Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse in the
Fuckbuddies episode.
> think of gay sex. It probably says more about you than it does about
> him!
>
> Meanwhile, it's Gwen's love for Rhys that leads her to defy Jack, and
> her love for Jack that leads her to defy the others.
If you are going to add that then I will add the gay hand touching, and
Captain Jacks comment to Japbird that Jack Harkness was nice stuff, or
somthing like that.
>
> Total so far: Straight 40 Gay 7.
WRONG
Straight 42, Gay 12 counting the two bum scenes as two for both sides,
Captain Jacks gay comment to Japbird and the hand touching.
On top of that there is the homoerotic scene of Cockyboy's chest in
Fuckbuddies, which was not balanced out by the inclusion of naked scene of
Pilotbird's midriff. So count that both was, one for the gays one for the
straights.
Straight 43, Gay 13
>
> That's 14.9% gay. Higher than the 6% you claim is the national average.
> But then you'd expect a modern, cosmopolitan city to have a higher
> percentage of gays than average anyway. I think 14.9% is well within
> the acceptable limits of what's expected.
>
WRONG. 7 gay acts should have been balanced out by 109.7 straight acts, but
in fact it was 13 gay acts compared to 43 straight acts or 23.2% which is
nearly four times more prevalent than the number of gays in society. 13 gay
acts should have been balanced out by 204 straight acts so Torchwood is 161
straight acts short and is clearly being used to proselytise homosexuality.
Agamemnon
"Shinju" <Shi...@Fluffypeople.com> wrote in message
> Very very nicely done.
>
> You could also argue that because there are other programs on BBC3
> with no gay presence that would also balance it out
Torchwood is being sold as a science fiction show not as a gay show so you
can't do that. Its not RTG's Fresh Prince only with gays.
Stephen Wilson
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> What a load of BOLLOCKS!
>
> Torchwood is been promoted as a science fiction show not as a gay show.
And a science fiction show is what we got.
> If Gayvies wants to make a show about gays let him keep it out of the
> Doctor Who franchise. The majority of Doctor Who fans are straight or
> don't want and kind of sex portrayed on the show and that is over 99%.
How do you know this? Have you polled them all?
Astrobiochemist
> >
> > BTW I find the term "Jap" racially offensive, Can't you call her
> > Nerdbird instead? It's less racist, and it rhymes too!
>
> The term Jap is no racially offensive and was used in reference to Japbird
> in Captainjackdoescaptianjack so can be considered to be canon.
It was used as an offensive term in "Captain Jack Harkness." The woman
who used it was trying to be insulting to Tosh.
solar penguin
Aggie argued:
> "solar penguin" <solar....@OMIT.tiscali.THESE.co.WORDS.uk> wrote
> in message news:459a5bf2$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> NOTE: MINOR SPOILERS FOR EVERY EPISODE OF TORCHWOOD.
>>
>>
>> Blackmailedblakebloke => Blakebloke raped and murdered Sixtiesbird.
>> Jack flirts with Gwen. Gwen relives her early romance with Rhys.
>
> If you are going to count flirting Jack also flirts with Closetgay
> when he introduces him in episode 1 Golovebird. So thats one more gay
> act to add to your gay count.
>
I'm only counting significant flirting. That 'looks nice in a suit'
line was important enough to count.
>> (Note, since Evacueeboy grew up to be a grandfather, it might be
>> reasonable to assume that he had some heterosexual sex at some time,
>> but I don't want to open the whole Susan/Loom/Other debate, so I'm
>> not counting it.
>>
>> Total so far: Straight 18 Gay 3.
>
> No. Using your own count for straight though I don't necessarily
> agree with them its Straight 18, Gay 4 so far.
>
>>
>> Scaryfaries => Jack is reuinited with his old girlfriend.
>
> You mean Paedofairies.
>
No.
>> Creepylittlegirl has a stepfather, so her mum must have had sex with
>> at least two men in her life. Paedophilebloke likes little girls,
>> which is very icky but still technically heterosexual.
>
> It is technically a hetrophobic act,
Not according to
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hetrophobic
> and an act of perversion and should not count.
It's still an act of _heterosexual_ perversion, so it should count.
>>>> Lesbalien => Lesbalien does Japbird
>>
>> BTW I find the term "Jap" racially offensive, Can't you call her
>> Nerdbird instead? It's less racist, and it rhymes too!
>
> The term Jap is no racially offensive and was used in reference to
> Japbird in Captainjackdoescaptianjack so can be considered to be
> canon.
It was used in the episode to show how racist 1940s attitudes were.
>> and a man wearing his wife's underwear (very kinky
>> but once again technically still straight).
>
> Rubbish. It is suggestive of transvestism and therefore gay.
No. Most transvestites are heterosexuals.
> If you
> want to including as a straight act then I was include it as a gay
> act as well to make things equal.
What?
> Wrong. The relationship between Japbird and Lesbalien took up the
> majority of the episode and outweighs everything else since it was
> used to proselytise.
Hardly delivering a pro-gay message: Lesbians are evil alien serial
killers who just want to use people and betray them.
>>>> The Return of Glovebird => Jack suggests timed gay sex
>>>> with Closetgay
>>
>> Glovebird had a relationship with Brainwashedserialkiller.
>
> You mean Glovebird. Glovebird was not brainwashed by anyone.
>
No, the man she brainwashed into doing the serial killing. I think his
name was Max.
>> Brainwashedserialkiller kills a straight married couple. We also saw
>> Glovebird's father who was presumably straight.
>
> And she killed him which is a hetrophobic act.
Not according to
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hetrophobic
> And Cocyboy calls Closetgay his Captain Jacks "playmate". Therefore
> add another to the list of gayisms.
It's a reference to the incident with the stopwatch that you've already
counted. You can't count the same incident twice! (
>>>> Opencrack => Captain Jack kisses Closetgay once again,
>>>> Welshbirdsfuckmate shows his arse once again.
>>
>> And once again his arse was shown in a completely non-homosexual
>> context. I'm not sure why each time you see his arse you immediately
>> think of gay sex. It probably says more about you than it does about
>> him!
>
> Rubbish. It was homoerotic for male viewers so you can count it both
> ways if you like.
And you'd like it if we went both ways, wouldn't you?
> You also failed to count Welshbirdsfuckmate's arse
> in the Fuckbuddies episode.
Because arses on their own aren't sexual. It's what you do with them
that counts.
>> Meanwhile, it's Gwen's love for Rhys that leads her to defy Jack, and
>> her love for Jack that leads her to defy the others.
>
> If you are going to add that then I will add the gay hand touching,
> and Captain Jacks comment to Japbird that Jack Harkness was nice
> stuff, or somthing like that.
If I'm going to add major significant plot points, you're going to add
minor throwawy references to events that have already been counted in
other episodes?
Ok then, maybe I should count _every_ scene where Gwen and Rhys are
together?
> On top of that there is the homoerotic scene of Cockyboy's
> chest in Fuckbuddies, which was not balanced out by the
> inclusion of naked scene of Pilotbird's midriff. So count that
> both was, one for the gays one for the straights.
Chests and midriffs on their own aren't sexual. It's what you do with
them that counts. If a man shows off his chest to a woman, that's
straight not gay!
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wrote:
The use of a word in an offensive context doesn't make the word itself
offensive. I remember when 'Gay' meant brightly coloured, before it
became a 'badge of honour' and then a sneer. 'Nigger' was once a
sneer, and now it's becoming a 'badge of honour'.
If we become too sensitive to these overtones we're in danger of
letting the language be hijacked by noisy minorities.
An example which makes me see red at the moment is the abuse of the
word 'Organic' by the food industry. The covert suggestion that other
foods are not 'organic' amounts to a propagation of ignorance.
Monsieur Tabernac
<dian...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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>> Gayvies has statde point blank that he's deliberately made everyone in
>> Torchwood a gay or a closet gay.
>
>Forgive me for doubting you, but were those his exact words?
I haven't had the patience to sit down and watch an entire
"Declassified", but there is an interesting interview with RTD here:
http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2006/10/torchwood.html
in which he states his intention of making Torchwood about characters
that cannot be defined by their sexuality. A relevant quote is:
"Without making it political or dull, this is going to be a very
bisexual programme. I want to knock down the barriers so we can't
define which of the characters is gay. We need to start mixing things
up, rather than thinking, 'This is a gay character and he'll only ever
go off with men.'"