adamantium
Daniel Rymarz
Brinnel hardness?
Izod impact?
Modulus of elasticity?
Melting point?
How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
have him come out smelling like a rose?
Rick Jones
>What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
>Brinnel hardness?
>Izod impact?
Duh?
>Modulus of elasticity?
Totally inflexible.
>Melting point?
Don't even bother.
>How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
never get dull.
>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
>have him come out smelling like a rose?
Well, he wouldn't feel too good, but once someone pulled the
tank off, he'd heal up from the 20 zillion bruises in a little while.
Adamantium is made by mizing these two 'resins' (AD-Resin X, and
AD-Resin Y, if I remember correctly at some obnoxiously high temperature
and then manipulating it at that temperature with force fields or something
(maybe adamantium molds). When it cools, it's tougher than an IRS audit.
If you mix it with vibranium (a Marvel metal with even wierder
properties) you can get an even HARDER substance (Captain America's
shield).
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How would you dull it for it to need sharpening? :-)
Tone
The Wease
> What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
> Brinnel hardness?
> Izod impact?
> Modulus of elasticity?
> Melting point?
the SUN?! haha...
>
> How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
adamantium is sharpened, molded, shaped, whatever, by using a molecular
manipulating device...I think it was in Iron Man where it was said...
>
> How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
> have him come out smelling like a rose?
>
hideout for a while THEN he's smell like a rose...
>
I think it was in What If #6...What if the X-men lost Inferno, where
his adamantium skeletan was destroyed ( after Wolverine's flesh was
burned off) by the Pheonix Force...ripped the sucker apart...
>
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mitchell e french
doesn't change after it hardens. It can't break, it can't bend, it can't
be screwed with in any fashion. They even say that it won't flow if it
does melt.
Thus, adamantium claws never get dull, so they need no sharpening.
You could drop a tank on Wolvie and he would be smushed somewhat.
His bones would not break.
Mushroom
James William Stepanek
description. This depends and the adamantium because there are supposed
to be two forms the tough stuff and the Oh My God its Indestructible
stuff.
>Brinnel hardness?
You lose on this test because a brinell hardness test requires and
indentor which is harder that the object being tested and diamond is the
standard , but diamond would be too soft for this.
>Izod impact?
What the hell is izod impact, I know of Charpy impact. What is this you
hit it with a preppie's shirt?
>Modulus of elasticity?
assume completely rediculous
>Melting point?
I believe it does not melt once hardened, and iff enough energy were
brought to bear it would sublimate.
>How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
>have him come out smelling like a rose?
flesh in between tank and skeleton would be squeezed off. Ouch.
James Stepanek
esp
Rick Carroll
Of course, in the most recent Guardians of the Galaxy, Rancor threatens one
of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
Fire that continuity man. ;-)
RIC
The Wease
>> According to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe, adamantium just
>>doesn't change after it hardens. It can't break, it can't bend, it can't
>>be screwed with in any fashion. They even say that it won't flow if it
>>does melt.
>> Thus, adamantium claws never get dull, so they need no sharpening.
>> You could drop a tank on Wolvie and he would be smushed somewhat.
>>His bones would not break.
>>
> Of course, in the most recent Guardians of the Galaxy, Rancor threatens one
> of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
> Fire that continuity man. ;-)
>
> RIC
Adamantium is not an *indestructable* metal...it is
_EXTREMELY_ hard to f*ck with after it's hardened, but it is not
indestructable...I read in a Marvel Update where it was said that
Thor, calling upon all of his power, could just manage to DENT a
hollowed out cylinder of the stuff...the size of a medium cup
from Mcdonald's...So, it is VERY strong, but big enough power levels
can still rock it's world...
The only thing known to be stronger is Cap's shield, being
forged of Adamantium and Vibranium...although Galactus once cracked
it in half...don't really remember how it was prepared, though...
hmmmm...something to think about...time to pull out the old comics,
I guess...
Like always, this is all said from memory, so sue me...
Wease
Doug Cowell
substance made anymore. You may remember Vance getting shot through his
adamantium suit.(I still don't understand how they made a flexible suit
out of the stuff, but....)
Deus Imperator
Actually, I wanted to bring this up, but it was kind of silly...
It states that Gladiator (Yes, the superman clone) broke it off in a
fight. So, either Gladiator is a lot stronger than anyone gives him
credit for, he ate his wheaties that day, or, like diamond, adamantium
slowly, over time, begins to fall apart. Enough, at least to create a
fracture plane wide enough to break. Keeping in mind Gladiator has at least
500 years to do this in, I wouldn't be holding my breath for it to happen.
Another point on how to sharpen adamantium. At several points in the run of
U-XMen, it specifically shows wolvie scraping his claws together, and
SPARKS shooting off. We also have that famous poster of Captain America and
Wolvie fighting, with wolvie raking his claws on the shield, leaving a
trail of sparks. If it can spark, something's being lost. Ergo, it can
be dulled. Ergo, it can be sharpened.
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>Of course, in the most recent Guardians of the Galaxy, Rancor threatens one
>of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
>Fire that continuity man. ;-)
Apart from the ball-and-socket joints at the shoulder, there aren't many joints
that couldn't be separated by cutting through ligaments, etc. Of course, Wolvie
would have to be very dead for this to work, but there are many many ways to
kill him.
>RIC
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alb...@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
(regarding Adamantium)
>>Modulus of elasticity?
> Totally inflexible.
Seems to me, if I remember my physics, if it don't bend, it don't bounce.
That must be what Cap's shield's vibranium component does.
Except that vibranium is supposed to absorb impact, which is why Cap can stop
tanks with his shield and not break his arm, so instead of bouncin' off walls,
it out to go thud, no?
Also, recent XMen had this silliness with 'carbonadium', which is supposed to
be a 'more flexible adamantium'.
William R Lutz
This is one thing that Marvel has never been good about. Wolverine
will somtimes use his claws to pick up a table or climb a wall and then the
next thing ya' know he's cutting through foot-think steel. Ofcourse then
there's the thing when he puts his hand up near someones head and two of
his claws are on either side of thier face. How big are his hand? Can the
claws bend? Or what? Maybe Marvel needs to follows DC's Batman Idea about
having one editor run the whole show for all of Batmans appearences in all
of DC's comics just to make sure he stays in character. This will be one
reason to buy Batman again.
Just my $0.02 worth.
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mitchell e french
the classic "pulling out of fingernails" thing....with Wolverine's claws.
Just yank that adamantium talon right out of the flesh....
Oh well....:)
Mushroom
Mark A Biggar
>>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
>>have him come out smelling like a rose?
>I suppose the skeleton could be assumed to not break but every piece of
>flesh in between tank and skeleton would be squeezed off. Ouch.
Also given that he has to breath, his ribs can't be solidly attached to his
spine or sternum, so squish go most of his upper torso major organs. The pelvis
would help a little but his hips would dislocate and the spine detatch, alowing
the pelvis to rotate (either way) and there goes the rest of his major organs.
Gross, but I don't think he would survive.
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Doug Dawson
>In article <11...@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
>alb...@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>(regarding Adamantium)
>
>>>Modulus of elasticity?
>> Totally inflexible.
>
>Seems to me, if I remember my physics, if it don't bend, it don't bounce.
Well, for adamantium on adamantium, that'd be true, but whatever the
adamantium hits can bend (and bounce the adamantium off).
Scott
> Don't even bother.
I seem to recall that there is actually a melting point but it was reather
larger that the combined heat of a couple of yellow stars so I guess "Don't
bother" is good enough.
>>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and
>>have him come out smelling like a rose?
>
In Gaurdians of the Galaxy it turns out that one of the Elders of the Universe
(the Champion?) managed to break off one of Logan's claws.
I know this dosen't help, just my $000.02 worth.
Fair Winds...
Scott.
Scott
>>of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
>>Fire that continuity man. ;-)
>
> Apart from the ball-and-socket joints at the shoulder, there aren't many joints
> that couldn't be separated by cutting through ligaments, etc. Of course, Wolvie
> would have to be very dead for this to work, but there are many many ways to
> kill him.
>
>>RIC
>
> Andrew.
What are you talking about? "The severed claw..." means the claw was snapped
^^^^^^^^^^^^
off. (Actually, I read the book and she is definitely holding six inches of so
of Wolvy knife (tm.)
Scott.
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In an issue of Marvel Super Villain Team Up, adamantium was shattered.
This is the issue, maybee #17, with Hate Monger,Arnim Zolla, and the Red
Skull on the cover holding a cosmic cube.
Anyway, the baddies have an island hideout. SHIELD finds it and comes
looking for a fight. As the SHIELD forces near, an adamantium dome
closes over the island. Well, the SHIELD boys were prepared and brought some
kind of sonic cannon. It must have the right frequency, cause when they
turn it on the ol' adamantium dome shatters.
Now, if we can only get one of these cannons in a hand gun, and give it
to Wolverines' next opponent......... Oh well, wishfull thinking!
Jamie
Chuck Farmer
Since adamantium is so rare (theoretically) I doubt that there has been an
indepth scientific study of it's properties (ie. Marvel doesn't have a chemist
on staff)
As far as breaking Wolvie's claws, the first time you see his bones/claws get
broken is way back in the Belasco affair where Illyana got aged. S'ym snaps
off a claws of the dead wolvie skeleton, picks his teeth, and then throws it
in Petey's shoulder. So in other word it can be broken.
It is probably subject to magical manipulation as well as molecular manipulation
Magneto can manipulate them, although he has not actually bent them. (I doubt
that he has tried). Also I would think that a skilled enough TK could tear them
apart molecule by molecule. Anyone with enough strength and leverage and strength
should be able to break them given the opportunity. (If Wolvie sat still and
let the Hulk try to break his arm for instance). So far the biggest threat to
Wolvie would have to be the Molecule Man (Owen Reese). He absorbed Cap's shield
Thor's Hammer, The Surfer's board and Iron Man's armor without even blinking
so taking out wolvie's bones wouldn't be a problem.
There is my $25.50 (I am a consultant...hehe:)
Chuck
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> That is what they call at Marvel, "Secondary Adamantium."
> (see assorted OHOTMU's for details). It's a wimpy-downstream version
> of Adamantium mad scientists use when they want to put adamantium all
> over a huge surface (like nefarious villain hideouts). It's cheaper
> and easier to make than Real Adamantium, but you can use it like
> aluminium siding. Marvel probably came up with it when they realized that
> if adamantium is so rare and expensive, then how could villains get ahold
> of enough to coat a dome over their HQ.
>
It seems to me that villains (or whoever) don't need _much_ adamantium.
I mean, unbreakable is unbreakable, right?
Can't you just, say spraypaint with it?
For that matter, Wolverine's bones are described as 'laced' with it (contrary
to John Byrne's drawing of the blasted skeleton in the future, which looks
more 'robotty'), and 'lace' it could be. If it's unbreakable, a thin wire
running along the bone, with maybe a cap/cup at the joint should be sufficient.
His bones would get crushed by impacts, but then you avoid the medical problems
of having no real bone: no white blood cells. Besides, he heals fast.
Please take the last paragraph with a big :^P
I don't believe any of it.
John Byrne was asked at a convention: "How does Thor fly by throwing his
hammer ahead of him?" His reply: "Two words: COMIC BOOK"
Kevin Maguire
I'm going to offer Mutant Speculation just to try and end this thread.
You don't have to break any adamantium to remove one of Wolverine's claws
from his body. They are not continuous extensions of his forearms, but
separate units that slide in and out of housing from his forearms. Somewhere
at their base, they must only be attached to the muscles or mechanisms that
extend and retract them.
Similarly, you could remove his entire forearm by grabbing on either side of
elbow and pulling real hard. No adamantium would have to be broken, only
catrilage, muscle, tendons and skin.
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That is what they call at Marvel, "Secondary Adamantium."
(see assorted OHOTMU's for details). It's a wimpy-downstream version
of Adamantium mad scientists use when they want to put adamantium all
over a huge surface (like nefarious villain hideouts). It's cheaper
and easier to make than Real Adamantium, but you can use it like
aluminium siding. Marvel probably came up with it when they realized that
if adamantium is so rare and expensive, then how could villains get ahold
of enough to coat a dome over their HQ.
Wolverine (unfortunately) has Primary Adamantium lacing his
skelleton, so the sonic cannon won't affect it.
A molecular rearranger would do the job tho. (The Avengers
used one on Ultron ages and ages ago.)
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>They have also explained that by their time Adamantium isn't the hardest
>substance made anymore. You may remember Vance getting shot through his
>adamantium suit.(I still don't understand how they made a flexible suit
>out of the stuff, but....)
Actually, wasn't there a guy Wolvie fought in his own comic
with an adamantium *epidermis*? Ouch! =)
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>In article <11...@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
>alb...@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>(regarding Adamantium)
>
>>>Modulus of elasticity?
>> Totally inflexible.
i was wondering would Box (of alpha flight)[maddison jefferies'] power have any
effect of adamantium. could he bend it, convert it to something, mold it?
d.j.loki seth I
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Andrew Farrell
>Scott.
Oh,bugger, there I go again. Ahem: I'M SORRY. I'M VERY STUPID. I didn't read the
Article very well, and I didn't read the comic at all.
Andrew.
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that was secondary adamantium (those of you who read my Ultron's Last
Stand post should recognize that). Secondary adamantium isn't as
prohibitively expensive as true adamantium, and thus can be blown on
hugely expensive building projects such as a full fledged dome. The real
cost of a true adamantium dome would have been far too much even for
Zola, the Skull and whoever else they were teamed with to acquire within
their forty year careers, let alone for one big shot like that. Thus,
the dome was destroyed by sub-nuclear explosives. However, sub-nuclear,
nuclear, and anti-matter explosives should be most effective on Wolvie.
In fact, the anti-matter explosive should be able to take out ANY character,
except maybe Shadowcat (intangiable and thus, not matter), Nightcrawler
(he'd just teleport away from the blast radius), Phoenix (because, because,
because, because! Because of the wonderful things she does. Ta da, ta dada
da dah!) and the Vision (he survived an encounter with anti-matter when he
tried to take out Jocasta with his partial solidification trick. However,
nobody could touch him for ninety seconds or they'd be vaporized by
anti-matter energy.
Doug.
I, the Red Skull have once and for all destroyed all opposition to me. None
may stand in my way now! I order you pitiful fools, kneel before me bearing
gifts!!!
Uh, alright. Wanna marble?
Ah, poor pathetic youth. Obviously homeless. I accept your humble gift,
for I am a >BOOM< (in drunken Daffy Duck voice) kind and benevolent leader,
or my name ain't the charcoal Black Skull. >Thud<
Deus Imperator
>For that matter, Wolverine's bones are described as 'laced' with it (contrary
>to John Byrne's drawing of the blasted skeleton in the future, which looks
>more 'robotty'), and 'lace' it could be. If it's unbreakable, a thin wire
>running along the bone, with maybe a cap/cup at the joint should be sufficient.
>His bones would get crushed by impacts, but then you avoid the medical problems
>of having no real bone: no white blood cells. Besides, he heals fast.
>
>Please take the last paragraph with a big :^P
>I don't believe any of it.
>
(strangely supported by the Weapon X storyline, which I liked quite a bit)
was that the adamantium amalgam was attached to isotopes of strontium, and
fed directly into the bones. As is the case in the "real" world, strontium
readily takes the place of calcium. This was the point of all those tubes
running out of him, and "FEED" intoning throughout. Because he has the
healing factor, this is one of those times it actually HURT him. With
a ready supply of strontium avaliable, his body quickly replaced old calcium
with new adamantium laced strontium, until he had a LOT of it in him.
Note that the lab tech were surprised by the spped at which the reaction was
taking place, as well as the amount of adamantium-(strontium) he was consuming.
In a normal human, calcium-calcium transfer in bones is very slow, and
would never be very "deep." With Wolverine, almost his entire skeleton was
replaced.
After the replacement, the resin is added, and the adamantium bonds
into the current matrix. At that point, having the shape and structure
of a skeleton, it dislodges the strontium (adamantium no longer being reactive
with much of ANYTHING). Clean living eventually flushes out the strontium,
and calcium fills in the gaps. Meanwhile, his skeleton is still very much
adamantium.
Yeah, it's pseudoscientifical, but neat, no?
mitchell e french
shattered.
> This is the issue, maybee #17, with Hate Monger,Arnim Zolla, and the Red
> Skull on the cover holding a cosmic cube.
>
> Anyway, the baddies have an island hideout. SHIELD finds it and comes
> looking for a fight. As the SHIELD forces near, an adamantium dome
> closes over the island. Well, the SHIELD boys were prepared and brought
some
> kind of sonic cannon. It must have the right frequency, cause when they
> turn it on the ol' adamantium dome shatters.
That was secondary adamantium. It's just really really really
f*cking awful tough. True adamantium is "unbreakable".
Oh well....
Mushroom "Oh-bla-di, oh-bla-da, life goes on...."
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If "true adamantium" is unbreakable, then how can Cap's Adamantium/
Vibranium shield be tougher than regular ol' adamantium?
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> *Not a flame*
> If "true adamantium" is unbreakable, then how can Cap's Adamantium/
>Vibranium shield be tougher than regular ol' adamantium?
Well, "true adamantium" isn't unbreakable. Thor was able to
dent it, so cosmic class beings (like Silver Surfer, or various
gods) should be able to break the stuff. If you're dealing with
Earth's resources (barring magic), it's indestructable.
Cap's shield is even tougher because it has the momentum
reflecting properties of vibranium (which is why it can bounce all
over the place). The USAgent's shield won't bounce if thrown
against a wall. Cap's will bounce 12 times, fly rings around the
target, pick his pocket, and come back to Cap's hand.
The vibranium makes it even more indestructable (so
Wolverine's claws were only scoring the paint job, not actually
scratching the metal) through comic book magic. I can did up
an old OHOTMU if anyone wants the official handwave.
Mang Shing Chin
>In article <1992Apr20....@wkuvx1.bitnet> smo...@wkuvx1.bitnet (Ray Smo) writes:
>> *Not a flame*
>> If "true adamantium" is unbreakable, then how can Cap's Adamantium/
>>Vibranium shield be tougher than regular ol' adamantium?
>
> Well, "true adamantium" isn't unbreakable. Thor was able to
>dent it, so cosmic class beings (like Silver Surfer, or various
>gods) should be able to break the stuff. If you're dealing with
>Earth's resources (barring magic), it's indestructable.
> Cap's shield is even tougher because it has the momentum
>reflecting properties of vibranium (which is why it can bounce all
>over the place). The USAgent's shield won't bounce if thrown
>against a wall. Cap's will bounce 12 times, fly rings around the
>target, pick his pocket, and come back to Cap's hand.
I thought the USAgent's shield was made of pure vibranium.
From what I recall, when Steve Rogers was the Captain and
returned the adamantium shield to Tony Stark, he accepted
a vibranium one from the Black Panther to take its place.
Since they looked the same, I always assumed that the USAgent's
current shield was the vibranium shield...which means that
with the reflection properties, it'll bounce pretty darn
well.
>
> The vibranium makes it even more indestructable (so
>Wolverine's claws were only scoring the paint job, not actually
>scratching the metal) through comic book magic. I can did up
>an old OHOTMU if anyone wants the official handwave.
Wolverine's claws and the "these claws can cut anything" line always
bothered me. Just because his claws are indestructible, doesn't mean
they're irresistible. I mean, Wolvie's strong, but he's not strong
enough to cut through anything. The most ridiculous thing I ever
saw with those claws when he cut himself a door in the walls of a ship
in XMen vs. Avengers...
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>
>Wolverine's claws and the "these claws can cut anything" line always
>bothered me. Just because his claws are indestructible, doesn't mean
>they're irresistible. I mean, Wolvie's strong, but he's not strong
>enough to cut through anything. The most ridiculous thing I ever
>saw with those claws when he cut himself a door in the walls of a ship
>in XMen vs. Avengers...
>
steel "like it was paper" in Genosha, though. Pretty silly.
Unless they're supposed to be near-infinitely sharp, as well as near-infinitely
hard.
Didn't he have medical certificates (faked or not) that explained his bones
when he went to Japan during the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine story?
He must have misplaced them sometime before the latest Wolverine (along
with the honor sword of clan Yashida and all those keen plaid shirts he used
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Good point. I've been wondering about this one ever since I saw Wolverine cut
through a tree which was about five feet wide, about eight years ago.
The sharpness and hardness of an object are irrelevent. A hurricane can drive
a piece of straw through an oak tree, but if I took the sharpest sword in
the world, I could hack about three inches into an oak tree. Oh well.
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Jason, American University, dissapointed.
The worst was when he carved a 4 ft hole in 2 ft. steel. Using all three
claws of course.
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True, but if you accept his claws as being unbreakable, then why
can't you accept them as being able to "cut through darn near anything".
As for an explination:
Who ever made the darn things in the first place simply made the
cutting edge a few atoms thick, if not one. This allows the claws to pass
almost effertlessly through anything. Thing only thing I am tired of is
the old they are tuff enough to cut anything, but I can use them to climb
up a wall or pick things up, crap.
William R Lutz
He had some papers from the military explaining why he set the metal
detectors off at airports, ect.
Scott Mash
If I remember right the shield that US Agent now has was originally
Captain America's shield. When Captain America quit working for the
government he had to give up his vibranium shield, I have not idea
where he got the admanium shield.
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>If I remember right the shield that US Agent now has was originally
>Captain America's shield. When Captain America quit working for the
>government he had to give up his vibranium shield, I have not idea
>where he got the admanium shield.
>Scott
Iron Man/Tony Stark gave it to him...
---Magnus
Thor Rydd
>In the Guardians of the Galaxy, it has been stated that Gladiator
>did break one of Wolverine's claws.
>
That's right Adamantium is said to be the strongest material in
THIS world (earth) and when it is said to be unbreakable, unearthly forces
are not taken into account (ie, the Gladiator is an alien psuedo-superman).
In another issue of the "Guardians" it is reveled that in their timeline
(the 31st century) there are several materials capable of tearing Adamantium...
"Dargonite for example...1st invented in the 26th century"
Hmmm... There is a future version of Thor from the the 26th century, whos
real name is DARGO Ktor. Could he be the inventor of DARGOnite and if so
couldargonite b be Ur froMjolnir his enchanted hammer (which is known to
be stronger than Adamantium already right?? )
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The cutting edge is irrelevant. Try this (in your imagination), cut a tree
down with a chain saw or something. Now put a knife or any piece of flat
metal on the stump with the handle sticking out. OK? Balance the tree
back onto the stump covering the knife. Now try and move the knife through
the premade incision in the wood. Not easy is it?
It would be even harder with a thick steel door. His claws should just get
stuck. Wolvie isn't any stronger than a strong human.
The Flying Pig-dog
:
: If I remember right the shield that US Agent now has was originally
: Captain America's shield. When Captain America quit working for the
: government he had to give up his vibranium shield, I have not idea
: where he got the admanium shield.
ditch effort to make him return to being CA. I think US Agent got a new
shield when he got the new costume.
later days!
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Brian Perler
In a GotG letters page, it was stated that Dargonite was named after
Dargo, but I don't recall whether it was stated if it was actually Uru.
If it is, that leads to some rather strange implications. I mean, Uru is
supposed to be mystical in nature, right? And, by the 26th Century, Earth
has technology advanced enough to create mystic things? Magic produced
through technology? Makes you almost wonder why magic (the Ancient One/
Dr. Strange and the new Sorceror Supreme, whatever his name was) gets
any respect at all in that time. (i.e., "The Eye of Agamotto? That's
nice. I have twenty at home. Right next to the Xerox machine I use to
duplicate the Darkhold. Oh, have you met my pet android, Cthulhu?")
Well, maybe that's a bit drastic, but you get the point. Of course, I
also think Valentino's ruining GotG (Major Victory? Wolverine alive in
the 30th Century? I don't think so.) Anyone else think so?
Oh, and this isn't a flame, but you should really do something about your
editor. That second to late line is really bad. Just some constructive
criticism here.
Brian Perler
>Oh, and this isn't a flame, but you should really do something about your
>editor. That second to late line is really bad. Just some constructive
complain. Sorry.
>criticism here.
Mark A Nicol
>>
>>Wolverine's claws and the "these claws can cut anything" line always
>>bothered me. Just because his claws are indestructible, doesn't mean
>>they're irresistible. I mean, Wolvie's strong, but he's not strong
>>enough to cut through anything. The most ridiculous thing I ever
>>saw with those claws when he cut himself a door in the walls of a ship
>>in XMen vs. Avengers...
>>
>Haven't read that-- he did manage to cut through "a foot" or "omnium" (sp?)
>steel "like it was paper" in Genosha, though. Pretty silly.
>
>
>Unless they're supposed to be near-infinitely sharp, as well as
>near-infinitely hard.
I believe my brother came up with a theory along the lines that
Adamantium ``cheats'', in that it actually draws in energy from
outside itself in order to resist attempts to deform it, more
specifically it draws energy from molecular bonds. That way,
Wolvie-poos can slice through very hard materials without much effort,
as the Adamantium is doing most of the work. This idea sort of fits
with the wierd energy-related properties of Vibranium, which
Adamantium is related to (I think). It has been stated several times
that neither Adamantium nor Vibranium act like normal materials.
Bye the way, can someone confirm that these posts are getting through?
I've posted a couple of times and I'm hoping it's not just that my
opinions are so asanine as to be completely ignored...
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>also think Valentino's ruining GotG (Major Victory? Wolverine alive in
>the 30th Century? I don't think so.) Anyone else think so?
>
My only real problem with the book is the dialog. Not what is said, but WHEN it
is said. For example, during the fight with the Punnishers (I think) when
Vance first appears as Major Victory(a silly name, but not a bad concept)
someone asks him how he got out of the suit. He spends two pages telling the
story, while still in the fight.
Now I know heroes talking during fights is a silly but accepted concept, but
stuff like that is pushing it.
BTW I do agree that Wolvie still being around is dumb.
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>I believe my brother came up with a theory along the lines that
Adamantium ``cheats'', in that it actually draws in energy from
outside itself in order to resist attempts to deform it, more
specifically it draws energy from molecular bonds. That way,
Wolvie-poos can slice through very hard materials without much effort,
as the Adamantium is doing most of the work. This idea sort of fits
with the wierd energy-related properties of Vibranium, which
Adamantium is related to (I think). It has been stated several times
that neither Adamantium nor Vibranium act like normal materials.
> Bye the way, can someone confirm that these posts are getting through?
I've posted a couple of times and I'm hoping it's not just that my
opinions are so asanine as to be completely ignored...
I'm getting this post, so I imagine others are too. It sounds like a good
argument. In fact, this thread is immensely fascinating. Someone could
publish a pseudo-scientific encyclopedia of comic book physics, covering
Marvel and DC stuff, and probably do real well!
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You people are always yelling about how lack of continuity sucks.
Well in X-Force #2 there was a case when the continuity was bad.
It was during the fight where Feral ends up taking Sammy-boy out of
action. Here is the play-by-play:
- Feral jumps on Sam's back while blasting.
She steers him toward Warpath.
Sam rams into Warpath. Sound Effect: THWRUMM
- Feral makes a smart comment.
Boom Boom shoots two bombs at Feral with her new handy
bomb launchers. Sound Effect: THBRUMM THBRUMM
- Boom Boom makes smart comment.
Feral makes smart comment.
Feral jumps on Boom Boom.
Feral grabs Boom Boom's wrist and shoots a bomb at Cable
Sound Effect: THBRUMM (good continuity)
- Domino makes smart comment to Cable.
Domino engages Feral.
Feral kicks Domino. Sound Effect: THBRUMM (bad continuity)
Well finally the "continuity" is broken up by Shatterstar with a nice
Sound Effect: SHAKKT
Also later on when Sam rammed into Feral while blasting the
Sound Effect was: FWRUMPP instead of Sound Effect: THWRUMM (no continuity)
Another little tidbit for you continuity freaks:
Check out G.W. Bridge's constantly changing adornment
in X-Force #1.
Mikel B.
Sorry about all this folks. I was hearing so much about how there was no
continuity in Liefeld's work, I decided to check it out. The results?
I was totally and completely convinced after the first two issues of X-force,
and totally bored to death of looking.
Timothy Malcolm Broudy
> In article <1992Apr15....@ac.dal.ca> iba...@ac.dal.ca writes:
> In an issue of Marvel Super Villain Team Up, adamantium was
> shattered.
> f*cking awful tough. True adamantium is "unbreakable".
>
> Oh well....
> Mushroom "Oh-bla-di, oh-bla-da, life goes on...."
Juggernaught. As it happened, one of Wolverine's claws broke off. I
seriously doubt that would happen in Marvel nowadays, but perhaps.
ST0...@auvm.american.edu
I know where talking about comic boooks, but this is getting a little silly.
No metals act like this. As a matter of fact, if you draw energy from molecular
bonds, the result is nuclear fission. You know, boom, good-bye everything in
a five mile radius. It was a nice try, though, and fairly creative.
Jason, American University
Richard Sucgang
called Nemesis I think, who had a sword 1 (!) atom thick,
so she managed to slice some characters neatly into slivers,
and carve her way through doors effortlessly. In a sense, I
guess, with enough sharpness and (mytho)quantum physics, one
can cut through anything with minimum strength, ne'?
-rich
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>Draws energy from molecular bonds?
>I know where talking about comic boooks, but this is getting a little silly.
>No metals act like this. As a matter of fact, if you draw energy from molecular
>bonds, the result is nuclear fission. You know, boom, good-bye everything in
>a five mile radius.
Sorry, try again. Breaking MOLECULAR bonds is not nuclear fission. That
happens all of the time. In a chemistry class I had, we separated H2O into
H2 and O2. Obviously, I was not vaporized along with the rest of the city.
At least I dont think.
Nuclear fission is the breaking of ATOMIC bonds. And if your little
explosion theory were correct, how would you explain the existence of
nuclear power plants. They draw energy by splitting atoms, and somehow
they do it without vaporizing the neighboring countryside too.
>It was a nice try, though, and fairly creative.
Yours was a nice try too, but not well thought out.
Mikel B.
"Dammit Jim, Im an engineer, not a chemist!"
I'm just waiting for someone to come and correct ME! :)
mitchell e french
Technically, adamantium isn't a metal. It's a weird combo of at
least two "resins", whose properties haven't been dealt with in the
comics.
Also, is it any sillier than the way vibranium either breaks down
the molecular bonds of metal or absorbs sound, depending on where it comes
from?
Maybe adamantium is a cross-breed kind of vibranium....
Mushroom
mitchell e french
It was in Alpha Flight. She appeared in a story called "Deadly
Ernest" and her equipment, name, and costume were taken over by the new
leader of Gamma Flight somewhat later.
Mushroom
Jason Michael Borlinghaus
Now that you mention it, I do remember a Nemesis character, except the
one I remember appeared during John Byrne's stint on Alpha Flight. She
broke into a mansion owned by some gangster like character (I believe
his mutant power was the he sucked the life out of anyone he touched)
that had kidnapped Aurora, believing her to be someone else. I don't
have my comics with me but I recall her saying that her sword was only
an atom thick, that is after she sliced-and-diced the gangster and
managed to slice a hole in a door so that the doorknob and lock section
fell out, along with some other interesting sword play action.
I'm not even going to try to ask about how a sword is forged one atom
thick or why the blade doesn't wobble around like a sheet of paper on
the sword's handle.
----------- Moose
Montague_Kevin
And, as requested. . .
Actually, the only correction would be Reeeal nit-picky, namely: Nuclear fission
involves splitting the nuclei of atoms; breaking "atomic bonds" isn't really a
good way to think about it. I think the proposed explanation of why/how
adamantium/vibranium work is workable, but probably unneccessary. It highlights
a common comic-book problem: overexplaining. It's like a previous poster said:
Once you postulate unobtainium, your reader shouldn't have problems with its
properties, unless they really abuse the laws of physics. Adamantium doesn't;
it's just the strongest [metal] around. I don't have a problem with it being
incredibly sharp as well; this takes care of most of the objections that have
been raised about things Wolvie cuts through. And I'm one of the most
ridiculous people around when it comes to shredding comic-book logic/physics.
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James Davis Nicoll
>called Nemesis I think, who had a sword 1 (!) atom thick,
>so she managed to slice some characters neatly into slivers,
>and carve her way through doors effortlessly. In a sense, I
>guess, with enough sharpness and (mytho)quantum physics, one
>can cut through anything with minimum strength, ne'?
Don't count on the metal objects remaining in two pieces.
If there is no force acting on them, and they stay in contact, they
may very well bond back together.
Snipping the support strands of the Golden Gate Bridge,on the other
hand, would have rather spectacular effects, as anyone who has cut a line
under great tension can tell you. It's a nifty way to lose an eye...
James Nicoll
Zeeshan Hasan
> Y'know, I seem to remember some character in DareDevil (?)
> called Nemesis I think, who had a sword 1 (!) atom thick,
> so she managed to slice some characters neatly into slivers,
> and carve her way through doors effortlessly. In a sense, I
> guess, with enough sharpness and (mytho)quantum physics, one
> can cut through anything with minimum strength, ne'?
This "atomic-scale-sharpness-of-Wolverine's-claws-allows-him-
to-get-away-with-murder" idea is getting a little trying. Getting a
blade to only one or two atoms thickness is possible with some fine
sandpaper, believe it or not, and really isn't very useful, as
anything that thin is very weak.
Look, folks, this is a comic book. Who cares about rigorous
scientific explanation?
farewell-
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Jason Michael Borlinghaus
In a fight scene with Death's Head Wolverine attempts to gut out cyborg
mercenary only to have one of his claws snaks in the process. After
Wolverine sees that one of his claws is broken he remarks "Well that's a
novelty..."
Food for thought on this thread.
------------Moose
Art Velasquez
From ST0...@auvm.american.edu:
Uh, no, Jason.
I had been largely ignoring this--after all, isn't "comic-book science"
a contradiction in terms? :-) But I can't ignore a factual error like
this one. You can't get nuclear fission from molecular bonds!
"Nuclear fission" is exactly that: the splitting of an atomic
nucleus, usually by an fast-moving neutron running into it. It has
nothing directly to do with molecular bonds, or even molecules.
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>
> *Not a flame*
>
> If "true adamantium" is unbreakable, then how can Cap's Adamantium/
> Vibranium shield be tougher than regular ol' adamantium?
>
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According to Marvel Universe (if anyone cares), real adamantium
isn't undamagable, just damn tough. I think it said that if a foot-tall
cylinder of Adamantium was hit by Thor's hammer using his full strength
_and_ his Belt of Strength, it would dent slightly. They meant that
passage to show how tough the stuff is, but what I noticed is the fact
that it _can_ be damaged. Presumably Cap's shield wouldn't dent.
--Doug
(Now there's an amusing thought. Thor pounds on Wolverine's claws from
the side, and one of them bends and he can't get it back in and has to
walk around with one bent claw hanging out.)
Richard Barry Shrum
>In article <1992Apr17....@ms.uky.edu> uk0...@nx33.mik.uky.edu
>(mitchell e french) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr15....@ac.dal.ca> iba...@ac.dal.ca writes:
> > In an issue of Marvel Super Villain Team Up, adamantium was
>> shattered.
>> That was secondary adamantium. It's just really really really
>> f*cking awful tough. True adamantium is "unbreakable".
>>
Adamantium *is* strong, but Secretsquirrelium is even tougher.
****Rick****
Brian Johnson
> (Now there's an amusing thought. Thor pounds on Wolverine's claws from
> the side, and one of them bends and he can't get it back in and has to
> walk around with one bent claw hanging out.)
I haven't been following the admantium discussion, but if
you want to see Wolvie break a claw, check out Death's Head II #4.
I liked his reaction...
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