BOB SCHRECK - THREAT OR MENACE?
Steven Grant
Kurt Busiek
kurt
Patman
>Kurt Busiek <kbu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Menace. I say menace.
>
>>kurt
>
>...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
Is he related to Max Schreck?
:)
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Steven Grant
wrote:
>>>...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
>>
>>Is he related to Max Schreck?
Only by reputation.
The Pulse
: On 21 Feb 1996 01:46:32 -0500, gt3...@prism.gatech.edu (Patman)
: wrote:
: Only by reputation.
Oh, look, the pro's have come out to play.
I keep thinking Bob Shreck was the "hero" of some obscure
Extreme title, BloodShreck or something.
DCOBobW
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Spackle
<kbu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Menace. I say menace.
>
> kurt
I must have missed the beginning of this thread. . . why is everybody
so fired up about Bob Schreck? Isn't he just an editor at DHC?
Spackle, aka Dave Good DG...@POMONA.EDU
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: Menace. I say menace.
: kurt
Can't make up my mind. I think he's "just trying to be..." a threat or
menace, but dunno which.
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Kurt Busiek
wrote:
>
>>...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
>
>Is he related to Max Schreck?
No ... but he _is_ related to a comic-book character named Schreck...
kurt
Blaise Byron Faint
> On 21 Feb 1996 01:46:32 -0500, gt3...@prism.gatech.edu (Patman)
> wrote:
>
> >>>...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
> >>
> >>Is he related to Max Schreck?
>
> Only by reputation.
Bob Shreck is an editor for Dark Horse comics.
Anyway, I noticed this thread because I remember seeing that Daily Bugle
headline: "Spider-Man: Threat or Menace?".
I always assumed that this was an original (Stan Lee?) line, but it has
become such a classic, I'd thought I'd ask:
What was the first occurrence of the Threat or Menace tag?
As I don my clueless newbie disguise...
>Menace. I say menace.
>kurt
...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
OM
Kurt Busiek
>
> I must have missed the beginning of this thread. . . why is everybody
>so fired up about Bob Schreck? Isn't he just an editor at DHC?
Words like "just" and "merely" don't belong in the same sentence with
"Bob Schreck."
Also words like "non-toxic," "ameliorate" and "reductive"...
kurt
Comnews
and a threat to all! Govern yourselves accordingly.
The Pulse
: In article <4gfof5$n...@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, Kurt Busiek
: <kbu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: > On 21 Feb 1996 01:46:32 -0500, gt3...@prism.gatech.edu (Patman)
: > wrote:
: > >
: > >>...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
: > >
: > >Is he related to Max Schreck?
: >
: > No ... but he _is_ related to a comic-book character named Schreck...
: >
: > kurt
: Actually, Shreck, aka Terror, purposely dropped the first "c" from his
: name, just to disassociate himself from Bob (who is generally regarded at
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uhg, you mean they were a siamese twin? ;->
: the black sheep of the family.)
D.G. Chichester
> On 21 Feb 1996 01:46:32 -0500, gt3...@prism.gatech.edu (Patman)
> wrote:
> >
> >>...Ok, I give. Who the fuck is Bob Schreck? :-/
> >
> >Is he related to Max Schreck?
>
> No ... but he _is_ related to a comic-book character named Schreck...
>
> kurt
Actually, Shreck, aka Terror, purposely dropped the first "c" from his
name, just to disassociate himself from Bob (who is generally regarded at
the black sheep of the family.)
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>
>Anyway, I noticed this thread because I remember seeing that Daily Bugle
>headline: "Spider-Man: Threat or Menace?".
>
>I always assumed that this was an original (Stan Lee?) line, but it has
>become such a classic, I'd thought I'd ask:
>
>What was the first occurrence of the Threat or Menace tag?
My main man, Joe Pulitzer, used it on at least one occasion during a
mayoral race :)
Mike using Fred's account. (Actually, Fred has a history doctorate and
he knows everything else, I'll ask him :))
Bob Heer
> > I must have missed the beginning of this thread. . . why is everybody
> >so fired up about Bob Schreck? Isn't he just an editor at DHC?
> Words like "just" and "merely" don't belong in the same sentence with
> "Bob Schreck."
> Also words like "non-toxic," "ameliorate" and "reductive"...
sigh, not wise Kurt.
you keep this up and we'll =never= see any more of JONNY DEMON....
and then what will I and all the other fans of JD (yes, both of us) do?
now be nice and suck up and tell Mr. Schreck how wise and wonderful he is.
Bob
Bob Heer
> Anyway, I noticed this thread because I remember seeing that Daily Bugle
> headline: "Spider-Man: Threat or Menace?".
>
> I always assumed that this was an original (Stan Lee?) line, but it has
> become such a classic, I'd thought I'd ask:
>
> What was the first occurrence of the Threat or Menace tag?
the only mention of it in a comic I can find is one of the O'neil/Miller
AMAZING SPIDEY Annuals. The one with the Punisher and Doc Ock. #15, I
think. Anyway, a running motif in it is the changing Bugle headlines as
the news changes, and the original front page was a Jameson editorial,
"Spider-Man:Threat or Menace".
Bob
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: From: Kurt Busiek <kbu...@ix.netcom.com>
: > > I must have missed the beginning of this thread. . . why is everybody
: > >so fired up about Bob Schreck? Isn't he just an editor at DHC?
: > Words like "just" and "merely" don't belong in the same sentence with
: > "Bob Schreck."
: > Also words like "non-toxic," "ameliorate" and "reductive"...
: sigh, not wise Kurt.
: you keep this up and we'll =never= see any more of JONNY DEMON....
: and then what will I and all the other fans of JD (yes, both of us) do?
Oh, so *you're* the other JONNY DEMON fan! :)
I thought it was a neat little miniseries.
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wrote:
>>the only mention of it in a comic I can find is one of the O'neil/Miller
>>AMAZING SPIDEY Annuals. The one with the Punisher and Doc Ock. #15, I
>>think. Anyway, a running motif in it is the changing Bugle headlines as
>>the news changes, and the original front page was a Jameson editorial,
>>"Spider-Man:Threat or Menace".
Somewhere way, way back in the earliest issues of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN
-- maybe the first annual, but Ditko drew the story nonetheless --
Jameson ponders an article: 'SPIDER-MAN: THREAT OR MENACE?"
Or "... MENACE OR THREAT?" I forget which. But it harkens way, way
back...
Michael [DHC] Winston
Around the Dark Horse office, we dive under our desks if we see Bob headed
our way.
The mention of his name makes small children cry.
A dirty look from him can set things on fire.
His office needs an exorcism performed on it once every two weeks.
Beware.
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Jim Smith
On 23 Feb 1996, Michael [DHC] Winston wrote:
> "Threat *OR* Menace"? Try "Threat *AND* Menace".
>
> Around the Dark Horse office, we dive under our desks if we see Bob headed
> our way.
>
> The mention of his name makes small children cry.
> A dirty look from him can set things on fire.
> His office needs an exorcism performed on it once every two weeks.
Gee whiz, could all you pros stop for a second and say _what_ Bob Schreck
has done that's so horrible? I never even heard of the guy until this week!
I will admit it's intersting that _every_ pro I can think of has
responded to this thread...
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Kevin J. Maroney
>I keep thinking Bob Shreck was the "hero" of some obscure
>Extreme title, BloodShreck or something.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
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Sean Med
>has done that's so horrible?
I do believe this is what used to be called a "roast." You know, like in
the old days, when all the big stars had dinner while Don Rickles insulted
Dean Martin's ancestry and stuff. Great fun.
Sean
Augie De Blieck Jr
: mwi...@cs.vu.nl (The Pulse) wrote:
: >I keep thinking Bob Shreck was the "hero" of some obscure
: >Extreme title, BloodShreck or something.
: I'd buy that for a dollar.
Not a chance, Kevin. It would have to be $2.50!
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is a Stan Lee invention? It has a nice cold war ring to it. I could
easily see it coming out of the mouth of Senator Joseph McCarthy, or
Senator Jesse Helms, or President Patrick Buchanan...
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Bob Heer
> is a Stan Lee invention? It has a nice cold war ring to it. I could
> easily see it coming out of the mouth of Senator Joseph McCarthy, or
> Senator Jesse Helms, or President Patrick Buchanan...
I'm still not sure that it was in a Lee story. If anyone has an exact
reference, I'd love to see it. But the line is just too subtlely
ridiculous for Lee. He was a fine writer, but had a very different sense
of the silly.
So how does that work? If you =might= do something wrong, your a threat,
but if you already have your a menace?
Bob
Crash
> Does it predate Spider-Man? Does anyone know whether Threat or Menace?
> is a Stan Lee invention? It has a nice cold war ring to it. I could
> easily see it coming out of the mouth of Senator Joseph McCarthy, or
> Senator Jesse Helms, or President Patrick Buchanan...
I never made much sense to me, since a menace *is* a threat by
definition. HERO OR VILLAIN makes sense, but MENACE OR THREAT? What's
the difference?
Chris Bailey
"Men always call their superiors mad".
Doctor Doom
Steven Grant
<fa...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>>Does it predate Spider-Man? Does anyone know whether Threat or Menace?
As far as I know, it's a Stanism, but who can truly say...
Steven Grant
Now it can be told.
I started this thread because I had been on the phone with Bob, and he
told me he was going home after work to wait for a friend who was
going to set up an Internet connection on his computer. So I laid a
trap for him.
But either he hasn't found the place yet, or we scared him off...
Dave Rawson
Smith <jasm...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>Gee whiz, could all you pros stop for a second and say _what_ Bob
Schreck
>has done that's so horrible? I never even heard of the guy until this
week!
>
>I will admit it's intersting that _every_ pro I can think of has
>responded to this thread...
>
>Jim "Figures Schreck is the amalgamted Anti-MOnslaughtor" Smith
My guess is someone figures Bob is lurking here, and most everyone is
trying to bait him into the sucking morass of posting so that he, too,
can surrender what life he might have outside comics.
Actually, Bob has done nothing. He's a great wit and profoundly
irreverent, quite able to demonstrate colorful, scathing comments
worthy of sailors or gypsies. Were he here and posting, the fun could
begin in earnest. Thus the barrage of playful barbs. Basically, folks
are hoping Bob will come out and play.
DCR
Lance Squiddie Smith
>Bob Heer (bg...@freenet.toronto.on.ca) wrote:
>: From: Kurt Busiek <kbu...@ix.netcom.com>
>: > Words like "just" and "merely" don't belong in the same sentence with
>: > "Bob Schreck."
>: > Also words like "non-toxic," "ameliorate" and "reductive"...
>: sigh, not wise Kurt.
>: you keep this up and we'll =never= see any more of JONNY DEMON....
>: and then what will I and all the other fans of JD (yes, both of us) do?
>Oh, so *you're* the other JONNY DEMON fan! :)
Wait a minute! That would make three of us.
I've seen the sales figures for the JD mini. One of us must be an imposter!
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The Pulse
: > Does it predate Spider-Man? Does anyone know whether Threat or Menace?
: > is a Stan Lee invention? It has a nice cold war ring to it. I could
: > easily see it coming out of the mouth of Senator Joseph McCarthy, or
: > Senator Jesse Helms, or President Patrick Buchanan...
: I never made much sense to me, since a menace *is* a threat by
: definition. HERO OR VILLAIN makes sense, but MENACE OR THREAT? What's
: the difference?
Remember, Jolly Jonah Jameson used it in his anti-spider-man editorials,
and he wasn't the most subtle of editors...
(and yes, it's definetely a Stan Lee invention, used i believe in Jameson's
first anti-spidey campaign.)
Kurt Busiek
>Crash (cr...@smartlink.net) wrote:
>
>(and yes, it's definetely a Stan Lee invention, used i believe in Jameson's
>first anti-spidey campaign.)
Jameson's first anti-Spidey campaign was simply a headline reading
"SPIDER-MAN MENACE" and TV broadcasts calling him a "masked menace."
After Steven Grant's recent comment that he'd seen it in a Lee/Ditko
SPIDEY, I flipped through the run of them and didn't find it. That
doesn't mean it's not there -- my search was fairly desultory -- but
in general, Stan didn't play Jonah quite _that_) broadly.
I remember it being a common shorthand well before that Frank Miller
SPIDEY ANNUAL that someone cited; if it didn't actually turn up in
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN prior to that, my money would be on NOT BRAND ECCH.
kurt
Yeechang Lee
| John Byrne referred to the line in the issue of _Fantastic Four_
|where Sue miscarries. Reed talked Otto Octavius into helping out,
|but on the way to the hospital Octavius breaks down again. "He must
|have seen one of those Daily Bugle billboards!" theorizes Reed.
|"J. Jonah Jameson has 'Spider-Man: Threat or Menace' plastered all
|over the city!"
Speaking of the FF, they've known Spidey since the beginning of his
(and their) career. Same with the Avengers--Spidey's even a (former?)
reserve member, and has been offered full membership at least once.
Other heroes know of Spidey's heroics, and how he's literally saved
the nation, the planet, the universe more than once.
So why doesn't Mister Fantastic or Cap ever say anything to the press
in ol' Webhead's defense when Jameson starts one of his anti-Spidey
press campaigns? A simple "Spider-Man is a hero, and should be
applauded for his good deeds" would work wonders for his public rep,
no? Or do they not bother because Jameson isn't taken seriously by
the public? And if that's true, why do bystanders constantly say
"Jameson's right! Spider-Man _is_ a menace!" even while Spidey's
battling some villain in front of their faces?
(Crossposted and followups set to rac.marvel.universe)
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<kbu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> mwi...@cs.vu.nl (The Pulse) wrote:
> >Crash (cr...@smartlink.net) wrote:
> >
> >(and yes, it's definetely a Stan Lee invention, used i believe in Jameson's
> >first anti-spidey campaign.)
>
> Jameson's first anti-Spidey campaign was simply a headline reading
> "SPIDER-MAN MENACE" and TV broadcasts calling him a "masked menace."
>
> After Steven Grant's recent comment that he'd seen it in a Lee/Ditko
> SPIDEY, I flipped through the run of them and didn't find it. That
> doesn't mean it's not there -- my search was fairly desultory -- but
> in general, Stan didn't play Jonah quite _that_) broadly.
Actually, Kurt, if memory serves, the Threat or Menace headline actually
comes from The National Lampoon, not Stan. They were doing some parody
newspaper or something--one of their specials, and used the line. Your
research was good in that you turned up no evidence...as well you should.
>
> I remember it being a common shorthand well before that Frank Miller
> SPIDEY ANNUAL that someone cited; if it didn't actually turn up in
> AMAZING SPIDER-MAN prior to that, my money would be on NOT BRAND ECCH.
>
> kurt
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field.
There's a whole set of phrases relating to speechmaking/writing.
"View with Alarm," "Point with Pride," "Mine Eyes Glaze Over." I think
"Threat or Menace" is of this ilk.
Lord Julius once spoke of a political symposium -- "Graft: Boon or
Blessing?"
SRoweCanoe
"Pornography: Threat or Menace?" This is when comics peoplelike Joe
Orlando did work there.
Steven Rowe
Luc de Chancenotte
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>Bob Heer (bg...@freenet.toronto.on.ca) wrote:
>: From: Kurt Busiek <kbu...@ix.netcom.com>
>: > >so fired up about Bob Schreck? Isn't he just an editor at DHC?
Good question . What exactly is going on ?
Why are pros insulting this guy ?
Or is this just a joke ?
Luc.
Dave Rawson
>Okay, you bastards! Here I am. Behold, this accursed ugliness! I am a
>total newbie at this, so rather than screw-up
Screw ups are as inevitable as falling down while a toddler. I suppose
it's whatever semblance of grace one can muster (while getting up
after having fallen down in a very public venue) that measures one's
learning curve in this arena.
Here's some of my top tips (for whatever that might be worth):
1) Don't reply while online. Learn to download messages and reply
offline. This allows a considered response (ie. It's eaiser to change
your message BEFORE you send it).
2) Never post in the heat of anger. It's okay to compose mail with
righteous indignation in it, but it's always better to let the steel
cool as you're forging it. It'll cut closer the real point you want to
make if you give it time to properly form.
3) Try not to ascribe to malice what often is due to ignorance. This
is hard because some world views seem so divergent. Try asking for
clarifications. If you get the idea the other person is being a jerk,
or is simply painful to communicate with, don't waste your time. There
are lots of folks who are more enjoyable and life is too short.
4) Imagine you are just arrived at a noisy, crowded party. You job?
Have a good time. Find convivial company. Ignore the drunks and bozos.
It takes awhile. It's worth the effort.
4a) If you see posts like this:
YOU RAT FART!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- you can bet every repetitive keystroke acurately reflects the
precise degree of inebriation of the poster.
>Thanks to Steve Grant for the warm welcome to the net and all those that
>swarmed like the good little velociraptors you are! Oh, and who the fuck
>*is* Bob Schreck, anyway?
Jeeze, you're the one who's supposed to know...
DCR
The Pulse
: >: I'd buy that for a dollar.
: >
: >Not a chance, Kevin. It would have to be $2.50!
: And that's why I said what I said.
Well, a dollar for an Extreme title is still $0.99 too much, unless
of course you'r out of toilet paper ;-}
Jim Smith
On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Spackle wrote:
> erIn article <dhc-280296...@ip-pdx10-18.teleport.com>,
> d...@teleport.com (Michael [DHC] Winston) wrote:
>
> > Thanks to Steve Grant for the warm welcome to the net and all those that
> > swarmed like the good little velociraptors you are! Oh, and who the fuck
> > *is* Bob Schreck, anyway?
>
> We've covered this already. He's a threat and a menace. Please try to
> pay attention. ;)
> Damn newbies. Next thing you know, he'll be writing Bob "The
> Menacethreat" Schreck, and then this newsgroup will plunge further down
> the tubes. ;)
Yeah.
Jim "The Menacethre--HEEEEEEEEYYYY! That's not very nice!" Smith
John Saponaro
Sean Med
writes:
> >Gee whiz, could all you pros stop for a second and say _what_ Bob
Schreck
> >has done that's so horrible?
I didn't write that. I have a sense of irony, after all.
Sean
Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
: Neither Salata or NetCom directly allows it. Outside vendors supply
: software additions that exploit the two very different environments.
And of course Carl Fink has also corrected me by stating you can read
offline with Panix too. I don't *have* to, as Panix offers unlimited
access for a flat fee, and I highly doubt I can offline read *anything*
much with a whopping 20mb hard drive <g>, but Carl's supposedly going to
help me with this so who knows?
: Regardless, I'm VERY impressed that you do all your writing online!
Well, at home it drives my friends nuts 'cause we don't have a dedicated
line. But yeah, I do all my writing online, and usually extemporaneously.
: BTW, can you cut and paste from online
: to hard drive files? Often this allows folks to get offline to do
: their composing and save online charges.
When I'm at work on my computer with Windows, I can cut and paste stuff
from hard drive files online. I've actually never tried it the other way
around; I suppose I ought to just for experimentation's sake. But it's
kind of a moot point, since it looks to be more trouble than it's worth,
and I really don't *need* to since I pay no online charges beyond my
yearly user fee.
- Elayne
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: I'm forced to disagree. Panix *does* allow offline reading, Elayne
: just never asked anyone how to do it. Say, me. I do it every day.
Thanks for the correction, Carl. So, um, you comin' over and helpin' my
poor widdle 20mb hard drive do this? :)