Wolverine
Nancy and Debbie Kenny
O.K. A lot of people like the new Wolverine, but IMHO, I think he was
better off before Magneto took out the adamantium. I liked that quasi
immortal Wolverine who had uncontrolable fits of rage and wasn't afraid
to kill when he had too. I hate the new head gear and I just plain
don't like this whole man-turned-to-beast thing. What do you guys
think?
Jason
In article <32B423...@nbnet.nb.ca>, Nancy and Debbie Kenny
<ndk...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
Agreed. Nobody likes to see a guy who WAS indestructable (basically)
have to change to compensate for his new vulnerability. Well, -I- think
nobody likes to see that. Save me the "human" argument. Give me the
berserker, Adamantium laced Logan back please. And he didn't just kill
when he "had" to -- that implies he was in control.
Jason
Maria Cristina Ramos
Nancy and Debbie Kenny <ndk...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>O.K. A lot of people like the new Wolverine, but IMHO, I think he was
>better off before Magneto took out the adamantium. I liked that quasi
>immortal Wolverine who had uncontrolable fits of rage and wasn't afraid
>to kill when he had too. I hate the new head gear and I just plain
>don't like this whole man-turned-to-beast thing. What do you guys
>think?
I agree with you and I guess the guys at Marvel do the same as well. I
think it is obvious that Hama and Co. aren't really happy with the
changes Wolverine has undergone because they always make him regain
some of his past characteristics.
For example, even though he is now without adamantium - and probably
won't get it again - he is again quasi immortal due to his
extraordinary mutant healing factor. Soon we will learn that, if his
head is chopped off, it will regenerate.
And even though his claws are now only bone, he can still tear
metallic surfaces as if he were adamantium-laced. I'm quite certain
that ripping through the bodywork of vans is something an animal with
bone claws wouldn't be able to do.
In issue 100, he acquired a beastly image but soon he was looking as
before due to an image inducer, showing that people at Marvel got
tired of their own invention really soon.
Like you, I hate his bandana. It's far from frightning. It's pathetic.
His older costume needn't be changed, besides, he often alternated it
with plain clothes, which gave him a blasé and not less frightening
look. However, that change, like the others, won't last long.
Larry Hama
Never wanted to take away the Adamantium and never wanted to regress
him to the bestial state. I did the best I could under the
circumstances, but I really don't like the little guy without his nose
and looking stooped over and stupid. I didn't think there was
anything to gain by quitting the book in a huff and walking away from
a committment is not something I do anyway. The people who made the
decision to change the character in that way have made other decisions
about stories and characters that were right on and brilliant. People
make mistakes. We deal with it. I do not hate anybody for decisions
they make about a fictional character no matter how deeply I am
involved with it. I reserve hatred for the guy who kicks down my door
and shoots my dog. Let's get real, folks. I have been lobbying for a
return to normal and the return of the Adamantium for over a year. I
have been assured that I can go about it in a logical and satisfying
way. "nuff said.
Larry Hama
Eric Lee Bailey
WAIT A MINUTE! You mean Harris kicked Claremont out because he didn't want
Claremont forcing a plotline into Larry's book, but Harris thought it OK to
force THIS in? Jeez. Does Bob think no ideas are good ideas unless they're
his ideas?
E
Percival23
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Bob Wiacek, HEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!
Larry Hama wrote:
>
> Never wanted to take away the Adamantium and never wanted to regress
> him to the bestial state. I did the best I could under the
> circumstances, but I really don't like the little guy without his nose
> and looking stooped over and stupid. I didn't think there was
> anything to gain by quitting the book in a huff and walking away from
> a committment is not something I do anyway. The people who made the
> decision to change the character in that way have made other decisions
> about stories and characters that were right on and brilliant. People
> make mistakes. We deal with it. I do not hate anybody for decisions
> they make about a fictional character no matter how deeply I am
> involved with it. I reserve hatred for the guy who kicks down my door
> and shoots my dog. Let's get real, folks. I have been lobbying for a
> return to normal and the return of the Adamantium for over a year. I
> have been assured that I can go about it in a logical and satisfying
> way. "nuff said.
>
Thank you for the honest answer and the positive sounding fore-shadowing
...but here's my 2 cents: stop focusing on the gimmicks and get back to
writing the excellent stories that you are capable. I really don't care
if Wolverine has adamantium or not, or whether he is a human or a
"beast" (OK, I'm fibbing on the last part). What I really don't like
about Wolverine is the change in character that he has undergone in the
last few years to appeal to the fan-boys out there...I have trouble
reconciling the Wolverine of the original limited series, UXM#205 (the
first issue of the X-men that I bought and one that hooked me instantly)
with the present incarnation....I don't want the character to remain
static, but it seems to me he has gone backwards. Wolverine never-ever
taunted his opponent, but now it seems like he get through a simple
fight with out making a verbal barb (take the "Iron Monk battle," for
example)...if I wanted this, I would be reading Spiderman. Before it was
"I'm the best at what I do..." but now it seems like Wolverine can't go
for more than fifteen minutes without referring to himself as "the ol'
canucklehead...": and the explanation for this is what, that Wolverine
is trying to lull his opponents into underestimating him? The Wolverine
of old would shaken his opponents by his confidence (take Spiderman vs.
Wolverine, where Spiderman was completely shaken by Wolverine's ability
to take his hardest blows and keep on smiling) and his ability to never
give up. This was the defining point of the character...not adamantium,
claws, and a healing factor, but the actual character of this fictional
man.
Rob, who probably put in more than 2 cents....
Vermilion
In article writes: Larry Hama <lham...@worldnet.att.net>>
>Never wanted to take away the Adamantium and never wanted to regress
>him to the bestial state. I did the best I could under the
>circumstances, but I really don't like the little guy without his nose
>and looking stooped over and stupid. I didn't think there was
>anything to gain by quitting the book in a huff and walking away from
>a committment is not something I do anyway. The people who made the
>decision to change the character in that way have made other decisions
>about stories and characters that were right on and brilliant. People
>make mistakes. We deal with it. I do not hate anybody for decisions
>they make about a fictional character no matter how deeply I am
>involved with it. I reserve hatred for the guy who kicks down my door
>and shoots my dog. Let's get real, folks. I have been lobbying for a
>return to normal and the return of the Adamantium for over a year. I
>have been assured that I can go about it in a logical and satisfying
>way. "nuff said.
This is why I like Larry. With lotsa writers, you're not really sure just
how much actual interest they have in the characters. But Larry likes Wolvie
and obviously doesn't appreciate the screwy tinkering any more than the rest
of us. I'll say again because it isn't said often enough - Wolverine is
_consistently_ the best x-book and has been for quite some time.
- Vermilion, who doesn't like the accursed no-nose bandana incarnation.
The true Valvoline would never dress like that...
cobalt
Words from the source...
I thought the concept of Logan battling the internsl demon of
beastial rage was the prime force inhis life, but one he was winning
with experience and wisdom. I came on during his Japanese years and I
thougth it was an excellent dichotemy. The surface refinement and
patience mixed with the beast at bay... Much more interesting
struggle than a man more beast than otherwise.