What Superheroes have been raped?
Hand-of-Omega
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex
gerard.morvan
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> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
> number issues, please!
>
> Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
> (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>
> Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>
> Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
By Shado, the second time he met the japanese archer (except that she had
wounded him, not drugged him). Although that's only what she said to Black
Canary. Evidence suggests that Ollie was very much conscious and very much
willing.
>
> Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
> emotional stress.
>
> Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
> begged her not to...
>
> Any others?
>
> Dex
The Huntress, in the first issue of her own series in 1989 (it has been
retconned since then).
Speedy (Mia Dearden) when she was a teenage hooker/drug user (she said that
drugs "kept the number of rapes to a minimum" while she was living on the
streets).
Jessica Jones (by the Purple Man)
Black Cat (Felicia Hardy) (revealed in Spider-Man: The Evil that Men do).
G�rard Morvan
"Kentoc'h Mervel!"
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>number issues, please!
>
>Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.
>Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.
>Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?
>Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
>emotional stress.
Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.
>Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
>begged her not to...
This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.
>Any others?
Off the top of my head, only the ladies:
Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.
Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
Spiderman/Black Cat mini.
Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
ongoing series.
Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
years earlier.
I'm sure there are others I can't remember.
grinningdemon
Actually, that story was quite specific in saying the Purple Man never
touched her...he just kept her as pet for months and made her watch as
he raped other women...so, if anything, it was mind-rape.
Fallen
> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
> number issues, please!
>
> Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
> (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>
> Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>
> Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
Shado.
>
> Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
> emotional stress.
>
> Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
> begged her not to...
>
> Any others?
>
> Dex
Apollo of the Authority was raped (And then his rapist was raped by his
boyfriend Midnighter using a jackhammer).
Sue Dibny, wife of Elongated man and part of the JLA supporting cast was
raped by Dr Light.
Silk Spectre is raped by the Comedian in Watchmen.
The new Hawkeye was raped, which is what led her to train etc.
I think Starman was raped.
There was some weird insinuations about Jim Gordon and the Joker in The
Killing Joke.
The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.
Fallen.
Fallen
> Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
> mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
> vary around here.
>
Even if you believe that was the intention using 'quite obviously' when
it was neither shown nor mentioned within the book itself and denied by
both the author and the character in future books is kinda disingenuous.
Fallen.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>Hand-of-Omega wrote:
>
>> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>> number issues, please!
>>
>> Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>> (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>>
>> Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>>
>> Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
>
>Shado.
>
>>
>> Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
>> emotional stress.
>>
>> Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
>> begged her not to...
>>
>> Any others?
>>
>> Dex
>
>Apollo of the Authority was raped (And then his rapist was raped by his
>boyfriend Midnighter using a jackhammer).
>
>Sue Dibny, wife of Elongated man and part of the JLA supporting cast was
>raped by Dr Light.
>
>Silk Spectre is raped by the Comedian in Watchmen.
>
>The new Hawkeye was raped, which is what led her to train etc.
>
>I think Starman was raped.
I forgot about that...the Myst (the female one) drugged and took
advantage of Jack Knight/Starman and later gave birth to a son.
>There was some weird insinuations about Jim Gordon and the Joker in The
>Killing Joke.
Joker also stripped Barbara down after he shot her and took pictures
of her...could count as molestation.
>The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
>pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.
Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.
grinningdemon
wrote:
OK, but when she's basically left naked and the damage from said
attack left her unable to have children (which, as I recall, was
stated in a later Grell story), it is certainly rather suggestive,
wouldn't you say?
Ty...@webtv.net
child which is when Scathach appeared to her. Apparently Sonja's been
reincarnated many times now too.
Ms. Marvel was raped mind and body by 'Marcus'. Then basicly mind rape
again by Rouge stealing her memory.
The new Hawkeye, I think someone just mentioned her.
Spider Woman Jessica Drew went through a shorter deal from Purple Man
treating her like Jessica Jones, also possible early rape/manipulation
by her first HYDRA boyfriend.
While never stated it's widely believed by many readers that's there's
no way Elektra and especally Black Widow could have been captured and
tortured as many times as they have and not have been raped several
times. And while only partly canon the Sienkweivick (can't spell his
name) Elektra was molested by her father. Much of that mini has been
retconned as hallucination, but some existed as the agent is now working
with Fury in Secret Warriors.
Karen Page as a junkie was probably raped.
Sharon Carter durng the time she was thought to be dead, also strong
hints of being raped by the Red Skull.
Sin, the Skull's daughter was raped by Crossbones to recover her memory.
Unknown
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
> <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>>famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>>are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>>number issues, please!
>>
>>Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>>(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>
> I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
> John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
> happened.
And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having sex
with Barda.
>>Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>
> That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
> recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
> or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
> not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
> Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
> was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
> up for adoption to keep him away from her father.
>
>>Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
>
> All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
> Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?
>
>>Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
>>emotional stress.
>
> Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.
>
>>Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
>>begged her not to...
>
> This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
> couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
> now the new She Hulk.
>
>>Any others?
>
> Off the top of my head, only the ladies:
>
> Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
> mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
> vary around here.
Something happened to BC during the attack so she could no longer have
children so that would indicate there was some sort of sexual abuse.
> Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
> Spiderman/Black Cat mini.
>
> Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
> her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
> ongoing series.
Don't remember this as I thought she became pregnant from a classmate.
> Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
> mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
> years earlier.
>
> I'm sure there are others I can't remember.
Ms. Marvel in Avengers #200. She was mind controlled at the time.
grinningdemon
>Red Sonja was gangraped, originally as a teen, now retconned she was
>child which is when Scathach appeared to her. Apparently Sonja's been
>reincarnated many times now too.
>
>Ms. Marvel was raped mind and body by 'Marcus'. Then basicly mind rape
>again by Rouge stealing her memory.
While on the subject of X-Men, Jean/Phoenix was possibly raped by
Mastermind back when he manipulated her into becoming the Black
Queen...and Cyclops was recently kind of mind-raped by Maddie Pryor
who appeared in his head as Emma Frost.
>The new Hawkeye, I think someone just mentioned her.
>
>Spider Woman Jessica Drew went through a shorter deal from Purple Man
>treating her like Jessica Jones, also possible early rape/manipulation
>by her first HYDRA boyfriend.
>
>While never stated it's widely believed by many readers that's there's
no way Elektra and especally Black Widow could have been captured and
>tortured as many times as they have and not have been raped several
>times.
Well, that could be said about just about any female character who has
been around for any length of time.
And while only partly canon the Sienkweivick (can't spell his
>name) Elektra was molested by her father. Much of that mini has been
>retconned as hallucination, but some existed as the agent is now working
>with Fury in Secret Warriors.
>>Karen Page as a junkie was probably raped.
>
>Sharon Carter durng the time she was thought to be dead, also strong
>hints of being raped by the Red Skull.
I don't remember that...and I didn't think she was actually held
captive by Red Skull so much as abandoned behind enemy lines or some
such.
>Sin, the Skull's daughter was raped by Crossbones to recover her memory.
I think Diamondback was raped by Crossbones back during Gruenwald's
Cap run but I don't think they ever came right out and said it.
Kyle Rayner
Greetings from Rome (Italy).
grinningdemon
He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.
YKW (ad hoc)
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At least. But not necessarily at most. Ditto Jim Gordon in the same
story.
Also, it's at least been implied recently that Jason Todd was
raped/molested as a child.
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YKW (ad hoc)
a1c5-996...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
> number issues, please!
>
> Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
> (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Barda, maybe. It wasn't ever revealed just what was videotaped, so it
could have been something as mild as nn/tease, it could have been solo
stuff, or it could have been a whole lot more hardcore.
Supes, though... Sleeze couldn't even get a convincing kiss from him.
Never anything more.
> Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
He conceived Damien freely and of his own accord. See SON OF THE DEMON.
Fallen
Not as unsuggestive as the dialogue within the story itself which has
the thugs talking and the nurse listing her injuries and neither of
which mentions anything that would point towards rape.
She was being tortured, blows to the stomach area or a stab wound are
more likely to cause damage that would affect future pregnancy than a
rape which leaves no external physical signs so a nurse woudl miss it.
One of the thugs even says waste of a good looking broad and the
torturer say 'before i get nasty'. He also offers her to the bodyguard
which again infers that nothing has been done to her yet. The bodyguard
doesn't get a chance to answer because that's when GA makes his
appearance so rape was definitely on the cards has he not turned up but
there's no evidence of it happening.
Fallen.
Duggy
> grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote innews:50g0h5t8dpn7cs93o...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"
> ><rocchi.gianl...@fastwebnet.it> wrote:
>
> >>Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
>
> >>Greetings from Rome (Italy).
>
> > He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.
>
> At least. But not necessarily at most. Ditto Jim Gordon in the same
> story.
Except The Joker has since claimed that he hates rapists and wouldn't
do that himself.
===
= DUG.
===
Fallen
Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
because you 'made out'.
Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.
Fallen.
Michael
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
> <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>>famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>>are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>>number issues, please!
>>
>>Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>>(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>
>
> I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
> John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
> happened.
I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
of things.
Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around the
time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow compelled into
being compliant and, even though the other Avengers thought something
funny was up they let her down by never pursuing it and she called them
on it after that adventure was over?
Michael
Mike B
> Ms. Marvel in Avengers #200.
> She was mind controlled at the time.
Right, and don't forget the similar Power Girl story
in JLI. Even worse, it was caused by her then
great grandfather, Arion.
<http://marionetteblog.blogspot.com/2006/04/power-girls-phantom-pregna_114429897837983861.html>
Michael
Wasn;t she walso brutalized to the point that she'd lost her Canary Cry
for several years?
Michael
Michael
That's the one I couldn't quite remember.
Michael
grinningdemon
wrote:
Whatever...I didn't want to have this argument again which precisely
why I stated in my original post that opinions varied on this...I
think the story clearly indicated rape...you obviously don't...let's
leave it at that.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>grinningdemon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:54:24 +0000, Fallen <fal...@ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
> >
>>>The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
>>>pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.
>>
>>
>> Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
>> floor.
>
>Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
>'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
>parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
>because you 'made out'.
Well, to be fair, they were trying to make the point that she was
crazy and taking everything too far.
>Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
>realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.
It was crappy writing just like most everything else in Spiderman
these days...I found it utterly ridiculous that she didn't realize it
wasn't Peter...and even more so when MJ didn't realize it.
grinningdemon
wrote:
Yes...she got the Canary Cry back (and, apparently, the ability to
have children) from a dip in the lazarus pit during Chuck Dixon's
Birds of Prey run.
Kevin
Kev :)
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Tara
Also, some of the incarnations of Donna Troy although I am hoping that
mess has been reconned out.
Unknown
"Michael" <this...@for.rent> wrote in message
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Yes, she lost the Canary Cry and the ability to have children from the
attack.
Michael
She get a white streak as well?
In her hair.
Michael
Hand-of-Omega
I'd like to steer away from claiming scenes where a heroine was
captured, and the scene cuts away, as "rape", unless it's explicitely
said or shown. Just because criminals/villains could doesn't mean they
always do, or every hero should have been abused by now...
The Purple Man didn't rape Jessica, but the Purple Girl is the product
of one of his rapes. Whatever happened to her?
Are we also counting superhero associates? Or has Sue Dibny had a
superhero career I don't know about?
Black Cat was raped? Before she became a costumed thief? Y'know, there
was a scene in a old Spider-Man, where she was knocked loopy by some
thugs, who proceeded to get grabby with him (she was hallucinating
Spidey)...when she came to, she was *extremely pissed* and the quick
scene cutaway always implied to me that she even *killed* one of
them...
I didn't know there was a new Hawkeye (besides Bullseye). What book is
she in? Does Clint know her?
We can also add Gargunza humping a comatose Miraclewoman to the
list...just remembered that one.
Thanks for clearing up my loose memory on the Superman/Barda story. I
think I thought there was more to it, because I just remembered the
ending, where Barda and Superman can't remember what they did, and
agree to act as if nothing happened (tho Supes certainly seemed to be
getting into it on the cover!)...
Dex
Hand-of-Omega
to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star Trek: The
Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar story, that even
attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's "rapist/son"...
Dex
Hand-of-Omega
completely crazy to? Besides, that may have been true of *that
version* of the Joker, but when his personality shifts again, he could
be capable of ANYthing...
Hell, his little "love tryst" with the DA in ASBAR was one of the few
bits which could very well be in character...
Dex
Patrick
"Hand-of-Omega" <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
> number issues, please!
>
> Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
> (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>
> Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>
> Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
>
> Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
> emotional stress.
>
> Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
> begged her not to...
>
> Any others?
>
> Dex
When the X-Men first went to Genosha, Rogue was powerless and thrown into a
prison; the dialog suggested that she was rape, but later we learnt that "it
didn't happen." If writers/editors don't want characters to go through
sexual abuse, they should not write it, or have something changed before it
sees print. That way, they don't have to change their minds about it later.
Patrick
grinningdemon
wrote:
Not that we've seen but, then again, the blonde hair is a dye job so
anything's possible.
Mike B
>> Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
>> the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
>> compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
>> Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
>> never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
>> was over?
> Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
> her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
> Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
> story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
> "rapist/son"...
Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
but turned out to be a version of Immortus.
Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Wow, lots more than I thought or knew about (unfortunately). Still,
>I'd like to steer away from claiming scenes where a heroine was
>captured, and the scene cuts away, as "rape", unless it's explicitely
>said or shown. Just because criminals/villains could doesn't mean they
>always do, or every hero should have been abused by now...
>The Purple Man didn't rape Jessica, but the Purple Girl is the product
>of one of his rapes. Whatever happened to her?
Don't know.
>Are we also counting superhero associates? Or has Sue Dibny had a
>superhero career I don't know about?
Well, she was as much a member of the JLI as Ralp was...and she and
Ralph are now ghost detectives (when they aren't busy being black
lanterns).
>Black Cat was raped? Before she became a costumed thief? Y'know, there
>was a scene in a old Spider-Man, where she was knocked loopy by some
>thugs, who proceeded to get grabby with him (she was hallucinating
>Spidey)...when she came to, she was *extremely pissed* and the quick
>scene cutaway always implied to me that she even *killed* one of
>them...
It was before the costume.
>I didn't know there was a new Hawkeye (besides Bullseye). What book is
>she in? Does Clint know her?
She's in Young Avengers (who don't have their own ongoing series at
the moment)...she and Clint have met several times now and he has
essentially given her his blessing (she even carries his old bow which
was given to her by Cap while Clint was still dead)...if you're
interested, I would highly reccommend the first Young Avengers series
and the Young Avengers Presents mini (where she met Clint for the
first time...as far as she knows).
All this talk of Hawkeye reminded me that Mockingbird was also a rape
victim...she time travelled to the old west and was drugged and
assaulted by the Phantom Rider.
Billy Bissette
b045-e33...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Wow, lots more than I thought or knew about (unfortunately).
On the flip side, a Cracked.com article points out that superhero
Aviax (of DC comic The Wanderers) raped a dinosaur.
www.cracked.com/article_17626_5-creepiest-sex-scenes-in-comics.html/
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Isn't it public knowledge that the Chameleon grabbed Peter anyway?
Didn't seem to be any reason to keep it a secret, since it was Parker
related, not Spider related.
--
Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
Anim8rFSK
Mike B <M1...@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
Friends of mine did the FX for that (orginally that was supposed to be
Ilia, it's a recycled Phase II story). Note that it was
self-retconning; the instant she had the kid, there was no trace that
she'd ever been pregnant, much less given birth.
Anim8rFSK
<6ec4c035-0c45-4eae...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Hand-of-Omega <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, lots more than I thought or knew about (unfortunately).
Let's not forget The Invisible Man, anally raped to death by Mr. Hyde in
one of Alan Moore's increasingly perverted LXG sequels.
Michael
> In article <heqkch$akr$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike B <M1...@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hand-of-Omega quoted and noted:
>>
>>>>Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
>>>>the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
>>>>compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
>>>>Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
>>>>never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
>>>>was over?
>>
>>>Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
>>>her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
>>>Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
>>>story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
>>>"rapist/son"...
>>
>>Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
>>but turned out to be a version of Immortus.
>>
>>Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
>>Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...
>
>
> Friends of mine did the FX for that (orginally that was supposed to be
> Ilia, it's a recycled Phase II story). Note that it was
> self-retconning; the instant she had the kid, there was no trace that
> she'd ever been pregnant, much less given birth.
FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.
Michael
grinningdemon
wrote:
The sad thing is, they made a point of how Chameleon made a better
Peter Parker than the real one...he got MJ talking to him again,
helped out Harry by giving him his old room at Aunt May's, and made up
with the roomate...it's just more of Marvel's clever plan to
illustrate how sad and pathetic Peter Parker is...and it's bullshit.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article
><6ec4c035-0c45-4eae...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Hand-of-Omega <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow, lots more than I thought or knew about (unfortunately).
>
>Let's not forget The Invisible Man, anally raped to death by Mr. Hyde in
>one of Alan Moore's increasingly perverted LXG sequels.
I also just remembered Vril Dox (Brainac II) was raped by some chick
who went on to have his son (Brainiac III) who then tried to take over
the universe or some such.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Yeah, that was weird, the Chameleon makes the lives of those he
impersonates 'better' except for the part where he kills them.
William George Ferguson
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>number issues, please!
>
>Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>
>Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>
>Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
>
>Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
>emotional stress.
>
>Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
>begged her not to...
>
>Any others?
>
>Dex
A couple nobody has mentioned yet
Sharon Ventura (it was one of the plot drivers that led to the whole Miss
Thing stuff)
Xian Coy Manh (Karma) of the New Mutants was brutally gang-raped by
pirates, after they had gang-raped and beaten her mother to death, when she
was a boat-person fleeing the fall of Saigon. She finished in a dead heat
with Ilyanna Rasputin (trapped for ten years in Limbo as the plaything of
demons) in the 'crappiest childhood imaginable' contest the New Mutants
seemed to be having. Dani Moonstar having her parents killed by the Demon
Bear, and Rahne Sinclair having her father try to burn her at the stake as
a monster, were respectable attempts, but Sam Guthrie having his father die
of black lung, and having to go to work in the coal mines, wasn't really
competitive. (oops almost forgot Berto having his father try to kill his
mother, and his girfriend being shot and killed in front of him).
--
I have a theory, it could be bunnies
Mike Hall
> How bout Gamora?
Before Thanos improved her body? I think that she only was shown to
be roughed-up. Believing that half-naked gorgeous women fight
criminals without much fear of being raped goes hand-in-hand with
believing that people can fly.
Mike Hall
Duggy
> In article <heqkch$ak...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike B <M1...@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hand-of-Omega quoted and noted:
> > >> Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
> > >> the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
> > >> compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
> > >> Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
> > >> never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
> > >> was over?
>
> > > Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
> > > her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
> > > Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
> > > story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
> > > "rapist/son"...
>
> > Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
> > but turned out to be a version of Immortus.
>
> > Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
> > Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...
>
> Friends of mine did the FX for that (orginally that was supposed to be
> Ilia, it's a recycled Phase II story). Note that it was
> self-retconning; the instant she had the kid, there was no trace that
> she'd ever been pregnant, much less given birth.
I've always wondered where the Y chromosome came from to create a boy-
child.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
> FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.
Correct. Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
Starman and a couple of others mentioned.
===
= DUG.
===
Hand-of-Omega
Anyone remember the Beverly Crusher episode that was almost a point-by-
point remake of Anne Rice's The Witching Hour? Really funny, as i was
actually reading that novel when it first debuted, and correctly
predicted ALL the plot twists based on the book...up until the ending,
of course.
Dex
Len-L
>grinningdemon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
>> <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>>>famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>>>are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>>>number issues, please!
>>>
>>>Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>>>(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>>
>>
>> I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
>> John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
>> happened.
>
>I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
>time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
>of things.
Yes. Scott Free interrupted them before any sex occurred.
Len-L
------
"You say tomato, I say blood red seed fruit, sent directly
from the plasticine village of fertile flavors and utopian
joy!" -- Toby, Robot Satan
FSogol
Guess the bottom line on rapes in comics are:
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.
--
FSogol
William George Ferguson
>
>Guess the bottom line on rapes in comics are:
>
>Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
>assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
>disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
>victims.
Although, in my two examples (Sharon Ventura and Xian Coy Manh), the rape
was the major plot driver of their characterization for the rest of their
storylines.
>Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
>evil-villainess.
>Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.
Not as overused as murder of a father/father-figure.
Lessee
Bruce Wayne (duh)
Dick Grayson too, for that matter (both father, and currently
father-figure)
Hmm, Jason Todd's parents were murdered. Tim Drake's father was killed by
Boomerang (I'm detecting a theme for the Bat series). Stepnanie Brown's
father was killed on a Suicide Squad mission, but that's been retconned.
Cassandra Cain's father hasn't been murdered, but she's trying to rectify
that. I guess Damian Wayne's father is still supposed to be currently
dead.
Matt Murdock
Sue and Johnny Storm (father killed by skrulls)
Peter Parker (father-figure in his case)
Pretty much all the New Mutants except Rahne (her father tried to murder
Her), but then, her mother-figure, Moira McTaggert, was murdered.
Should Clark count? Both his actual father and his adoptive father (again)
are dead, but not murdered.
Those are off the top of my head
--
"Oh Buffy, you really do need to have
every square inch of your ass kicked."
- Willow Rosenberg
grinningdemon
wrote:
>
>Guess the bottom line on rapes in comics are:
>
>Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
>assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
>disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
>victims.
That's an exaggeration and you know it...I know so many like to cry
misogyny and rant about women in refrigerators every time a female
character so much as stubs her toe but saying that almost every female
character has been raped or sexually assaulted isn't even close to
true...in fact, if this list has proven anything, it's that nearly as
many male characters have been raped or sexually assaulted.
>Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
>evil-villainess.
>
>Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.
As opposed to death? Should we start listing the number of characters
who have been murdered over the years (male and female)? Because it
happens far more frequently than rape and people don't go off the deep
end every time that happens...hell, most of the people we've listed in
this thread are either dead or have been killed and brought back.
grinningdemon
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:58:40 -0800, Michael <this...@for.rent> opined:
>
>>grinningdemon wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
>>> <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
>>>>famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
>>>>are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
>>>>number issues, please!
>>>>
>>>>Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
>>>>(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
>>> John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
>>> happened.
>>
>>I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
>>time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
>>of things.
>
>Yes. Scott Free interrupted them before any sex occurred.
>Len-L
Yes, but the implication was that Barda had already been forced to
have sex with others.
Ty...@webtv.net
just as single dads on tv shows have been for awhile.
grinningdemon
<wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:44:47 -0500, FSogol <FSo...@nospamplease.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>Guess the bottom line on rapes in comics are:
>>
>>Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
>>assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
>>disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
>>victims.
>
>Although, in my two examples (Sharon Ventura and Xian Coy Manh), the rape
>was the major plot driver of their characterization for the rest of their
>storylines.
>
>>Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
>>evil-villainess.
>
>>Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.
>
>Not as overused as murder of a father/father-figure.
>
>Lessee
>Bruce Wayne (duh)
>Dick Grayson too, for that matter (both father, and currently
>father-figure)
>Hmm, Jason Todd's parents were murdered. Tim Drake's father was killed by
>Boomerang (I'm detecting a theme for the Bat series).
His mother was murdered well before that too.
Stepnanie Brown's
>father was killed on a Suicide Squad mission, but that's been retconned.
>Cassandra Cain's father hasn't been murdered, but she's trying to rectify
>that. I guess Damian Wayne's father is still supposed to be currently
>dead.
>
>Matt Murdock
>Sue and Johnny Storm (father killed by skrulls)
>Peter Parker (father-figure in his case)
>Pretty much all the New Mutants except Rahne (her father tried to murder
>Her)
And Rahne recently murdered him right back.
, but then, her mother-figure, Moira McTaggert, was murdered.
>Should Clark count? Both his actual father and his adoptive father (again)
>are dead, but not murdered.
That depends on which version of the Superman origin you look
at...some versions actually blame a specific person for the
destruction of Krypton (Zod, Brainiac, etc.)...in those versions, his
actual parents were murdered.
Anim8rFSK
William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Should Clark count? Both his actual father and his adoptive father (again)
> are dead, but not murdered.
Well, Krypton keeps going back and forth about being blown up
intentionally, so sometimes it's murder.
I quit reading Superman when they undid the only good part of Byrne's
retcon and killed Pa again, but didn't he die as at least an indirect
result of Brainiac attacking? We can make a case for murder, and not
only that, but I assume Clark thinks it's his fault.
And of course, EVERY Kit Walker.
Anim8rFSK
<f3bae0e9-99e8-4ab1...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Hand-of-Omega <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I haven't seen AR'sTWH but if it was a Crusher-centric ep it must have
been terrible. Are you thinking of Sub Rosa?
Billy Bissette
news:9n38h5h0c7egherjf...@4ax.com:
You forget that a significant number of people will argue that rape
is worse than death.
But going down that road will be the death of this thread. Though
FSogol's unsupported statement that "Almost every female character has
been raped or sexually assaulted." may very well have achieved that
already.
Billy Bissette
news:PsadnfW_gcHydY7W...@cavtel.net:
Hrm, how does other media compare?
The flood of police procedural shows has pretty much killed any
story impact for rape. After more than a decade of inundation and
escalation, rape is nothing. The same is true for all the hospital
shows. And then there is the impact of Law & Order: SVU, which was
built around the premise of multiple sexual assaults on a weekly
basis. As far as TV is concerned, rape isn't even a story anymore.
Now you have to be kept as a human slave, sold on the street for
drugs, killed, have your corpse violated, be dismembered, have the
body parts sold on the black market, and then have the kid who got
your heart have to beat your original rapist to death with your
femur.
So, what about fiction?
What have I read lately? Better yet, what have I read in the last few
years that was written by women?
Charlene Harris' Southern Vampire books. Main character Sookie was
molested as a kid. So was the main character's cousin Hadley.
Back story on the vampires Eric, Sophie-Anne, and Andre had them all
raped in their youth. Tara was passed around like a possession.
Kim Harrison's Anita Blake books. Main character has repeatedly been
raped, but she's okay with it because it was by people she likes. Mind,
by the time the books reached the double digits, they stopped being
supernatural detective fiction and instead became hard core porn.
Nothing but an excuse for Anita to move from person to person having
explicitly described sex.
Kim Harrison's Hollows stuff? More vampires, so of course there is
more sexualization and more people being dominated, even if it is more
background material. True for a lot of vampire stuff in general,
really.
Lois McMaster Bujold writes sci-fi and fantasy not focused on sex, so
how does she do? In the Vorkosigan books, Elena is the child of a rape.
Rape was one of the ways you knew the bad guys were the bad guys in the
Barrayar. And the Chalion stuff? Again, rape was just another thing
the bad guys did.
Sara Douglass. I can't recall if there was rape or not. But does
it really matter with the crap that she tries to justify in her
Starman series? The stuff that she sweeps under the rug to claim her
hero is a "hero" is an insult to both men and women. Worse, she didn't
even really seem to understand just how bad a guy she had written.
Anim8rFSK
Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in
> news:9n38h5h0c7egherjf...@4ax.com:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:44:47 -0500, FSogol <FSo...@nospamplease.org>
> > wrote:
>
> >>Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.
> >
> > As opposed to death? Should we start listing the number of characters
> > who have been murdered over the years (male and female)? Because it
> > happens far more frequently than rape and people don't go off the deep
> > end every time that happens...hell, most of the people we've listed in
> > this thread are either dead or have been killed and brought back.
>
> You forget that a significant number of people will argue that rape
> is worse than death.
Given that death is at worst a temporary inconvenience in the
MarvelVerse, they'd have a point.
Michael
I didn't know that was a recycled script. I'd guess someone thought it
was a great scipt?
Michael
Anim8rFSK
Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote:
Nobody could have possibly thought that was a great script.
Mike Hall
> Guess the bottom line on rapes in comics are:
>
> Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
> assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
> disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
> victims.
Bs. An unbelievably tiny number have been sexually assaulted (in
mainstream comics anyway), considering they attack criminals while
wearing bikinis!
> Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
> evil-villainess.
If an evil villainess pulls out a strap-on, that comic gets put in the
hardcore section! As for male-on-male rape, the only mainstream comic
of any ilk featuring this that I can think of was Preacher. This is a
business and the market for men being sexually brutalised is probably
tiny. I can't believe that these has not been done before, which
suggests that few of us enjoy reading comics where men face sexual
assault. Since the number of brutalised women is also tiny, I can
also infer that TPTB think that we don't enjoy reading rape comics.
Mike Hall
FSogol
Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread. Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children. (Just saying)
--
FSogol
grinningdemon
wrote:
Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.
Mike Hall
Hmm.. If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
that might be interesting; and I'm sure it has been explored in the
Japanese manga comics. I don't think it has been done for the US
market, as it sounds very much like the official "Worst Star Trek TNG
Ever" episode, where Janeway and Paris turn into lizards and
reproduce.
Mike Hall
FSogol
>> Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
>> several examples given in earlier posts in this thread. Male on male
>> rape wouldn't provide children. (Just saying)
>
> Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
> love child, anything is possible.
Wait a minute, what?
--
FSogol
grinningdemon
wrote:
Well, Mystique is Nightcrawler's mom but, originally, Destiny was
supposed to be his mom...and Mystique was supposed to be his DAD...it
didn't end up happening but that would have been a case of a
female/female pairing producing a child.
grinningdemon
wrote:
Conner Kent/Superboy is genetically half Superman and half Lex
Luthor...he was grown in a lab but still...it opens up some
possibilities, doesn't it?
Mike Hall
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:56:05 -0800 (PST), Mike Hall <tar...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >Hmm.. If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
> >that might be interesting;
> Well, Mystique is Nightcrawler's mom but, originally, Destiny was
> supposed to be his mom...and Mystique was supposed to be his DAD...it
> didn't end up happening but that would have been a case of a
> female/female pairing producing a child.
Hmm.. Cartman's Mom is actually his Dad in South Park, which does not
really count I suppose.
Mike Hall
Anim8rFSK
<3dbce463-5643-4f8b...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Mike Hall <tar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And then they just LEAVE their lizard babies behind!
Billy Bissette
8b3805...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
In Red Dwarf, during a brief trip into a parallel universe where
everyone's sex was reversed, Lister got knocked up by his female
counterpart. (He didn't use protection because he didn't realize
that men were the ones who got pregnant in that universe.)
teepee
"Hand-of-Omega" <hando...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dc07c7be-c773-4402...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
> number issues, please!
I got the understanding that Tigress and various others had been rented out
as mind controlled sex toys by the Puppeteer in her appearance in Ms Marvel
recently. But that might be a suggestion rather than explicit.
Tara
Cassie/Stature is supposed to only be 15 or 16 and thus underage so
Puppet Master would have been guilty of child rape too.
teepee
"Tara" <caged...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9116-4B1...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
> Ms. Marvel stopped it before it started. Everyone also forgets that
> Cassie/Stature is supposed to only be 15 or 16 and thus underage so
> Puppet Master would have been guilty of child rape too.
>
grinningdemon
Was that before or after the Hood beat the crap out of her? And she
was hanging around Avengers Initiative pretty much since the beginning
because she was banging the Skrullojacket.
William George Ferguson
wrote:
You typoed LKH as Kim Harrison (thinking ahead a paragraph probably), but
that's okay. I don't count even rough consensual sex as 'rape', so Anita
has been physically raped (forced into non-consensual sex, three times that
I know of, and mind-raped a lot more than that. The three times she was
physically raped (counting a serious attempt at rape in the same vein as 'a
little bit pregnant'), she immediately, and fatally corrected the situation
in mid-rape (the bodyguard she beat to death with a chair in The Laughing
Corpse, the were-leopard she gutted in The Killing Dance, and the
daywalking vampire in Skin Trade. There was also the guard in Obsidian
Butterfly, but that wasn't really 'rape', she seduced him to get him in
position so she could kill him.
The major rapes in the LKH series has been among supporting characters,
mostly the shapeshifters.
> Kim Harrison's Hollows stuff? More vampires, so of course there is
>more sexualization and more people being dominated, even if it is more
>background material. True for a lot of vampire stuff in general,
>really.
Rachel Morgan hasn't been that I can think of, but her partner Ivy very
definitely was, repeatedly.
Kitty Norville in the Carrie Vaughn books was bitten by a werewolf after
being date-raped, then was, effectively, raped by the leader of her
werewolf pack repeatedly. Even so, the senator's violation of her was
probably worse, even though not a physical assualt.
Virtually every Mercedes Lackey book for about 10 years featured
child-abuse, usually, but not always, including rape. It really wore out
its welcome as a plot theme, even among strong Lackey fans.
Patricia Briggs' Mercedes Thompson was very viciously raped in Iron Kissed.
Of course she then beat his head to a shapeless pulp with a tire iron,
while she was still under his love spell.
--
"Oh Buffy, you really do need to have
every square inch of your ass kicked."
- Willow Rosenberg
Mike B
>Charlene Harris' Southern Vampire books. Main character Sookie
>was molested as a kid. So was the main character's cousin
>Hadley. Back story on the vampires Eric, Sophie-Anne, and
>Andre had them all raped in their youth. Tara was passed
>around like a possession.
Charlaine. And what you may not know, revealed in a brutally
honest interview in MYSTERY SCENE magazine a few years
back, is that the author herself was the victim of rape. Perhaps
even familial child abuse, along the lines of Sookie's evil uncle.
She dealt with the topic head-on in one of her first books, A SECRET
RAGE (a standalone) and on an ongoing basis in her Lily Bard
series (the heroine is a rape survivor). But as you noted, the themes
occur in many of her books.
--Mike Blake
Rah
And i think it was most then implied that the deed was done since she
let him die for his "crimes"
Billy Bissette
news:pipih5l71sjhjj7q2...@4ax.com:
> <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>> Kim Harrison's Anita Blake books. Main character has repeatedly
>> been
>>raped, but she's okay with it because it was by people she likes.
>>Mind, by the time the books reached the double digits, they stopped
>>being supernatural detective fiction and instead became hard core
>>porn. Nothing but an excuse for Anita to move from person to person
>>having explicitly described sex.
>
> You typoed LKH as Kim Harrison (thinking ahead a paragraph probably),
> but that's okay. I don't count even rough consensual sex as 'rape',
> so Anita has been physically raped (forced into non-consensual sex,
> three times that I know of, and mind-raped a lot more than that. The
> three times she was physically raped (counting a serious attempt at
> rape in the same vein as 'a little bit pregnant'), she immediately,
> and fatally corrected the situation in mid-rape (the bodyguard she
> beat to death with a chair in The Laughing Corpse, the were-leopard
> she gutted in The Killing Dance, and the daywalking vampire in Skin
> Trade. There was also the guard in Obsidian Butterfly, but that
> wasn't really 'rape', she seduced him to get him in position so she
> could kill him.
Yes, I did typo the name when getting a bit ahead of myself.
Defining "rape" for Anita is a bit rough when she picks up a
condition that forces her to have sex several times a day, and
punishes her friends if she tries to resist the urge. Of course,
that is right before the series turns into a full-blown porn title.
It is also hard when non-consensual sex tends to turn consensual.
I vaguely recall that happening with Damian and Anita, I think?
Actually, I vaguely recall several times where "No" turned to "Yes"
with a bit of force, thanks in part to Anita getting off on pain.
Ken Arromdee
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
>recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
>or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
>not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
>Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
>was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
>up for adoption to keep him away from her father.
So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?
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grinningdemon
Arromdee) wrote:
>In article <9j60h5tpk91ua119n...@4ax.com>,
>grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>>That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
>>recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
>>or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
>>not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
>>Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
>>was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
>>up for adoption to keep him away from her father.
>
>So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?
The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).
Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.
Billy Bissette
news:d0ulh5phrs90j493u...@4ax.com:
Annoying that DC finally acknowledges a storyline that I liked,
but twist it into something else in that acknowledgement. (Yeah,
I'm one of the people who think Talia was the perfect partner for
Bruce, not Catwoman or Vicky Vale or any of the others.)
grinningdemon
I love Talia but I really don't think Batman has a perfect
partner...if I had to choose, I'd probably side with Catwoman.
Anim8rFSK
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grinningdemon
wrote:
It really should be illegal at this point to mention that name in a
discussion involving Batman.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
He really thought he was going to get to make another Batman movie,
right up 'til Batman Begins began. Talk about out of touch with reality.
keith.g...@gmail.com
> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
> famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
> are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
> number issues, please!
>
> (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
> Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
>
>
> Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
> emotional stress.
>
> Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
> begged her not to...
>
> Any others?
>
> Dex
An Irish superhero just got raped in a web series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EN52nAy2pg Yeah...
Wouter Valentijn
http://carolastrickland.com/comics/msmarvel/msmarvel2.html
Felicia Hardy (Black Cat), was raped when she was younger.
Susan Dearborn, raped by Doctor Light.
Gwen Stacy had a thing with Norman Osbourne. Maybe not something belonging
on this list, but also evil anyway.
There's also a website that specializes in how women characters in comics
have been abused:
http://lby3.com/wir/
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McCoy: "What you had to do. What you always do: turn death into a fighting
chance to live."
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
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thei...@gmail.com
> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual number issues, please!Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme emotional stress.Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately begged her not to...Any others?Dex
What about apollo?? wasn't he gangraped or something??
thei...@gmail.com
> Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual number issues, please!Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other (and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme emotional stress.Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately begged her not to...Any others?Dex