POWER GIRL
Brenda Clough
as good?
Brenda
OM
...It's some of Jimmy & Amanda's best work to date, although it isn't
exactly everyone's cup of tea. Most of the complaints are from the
usual feminazi skanks over all the boob shots, but expecting PG to not
have breast presence is like having the Thing without his rocky
hide(*), or Wolverine without his spiked hair, or even Abe Lincoln and
George Washington to be black. Sometimes you have to accept a
character's physical characteristics and quit bitching about them.
Especially where PG's boobs are concerned.
But is it worth picking up the past six issues? Yeah, it actually is.
Tell Santa that's what you want for Christnukkah, although there isn't
a TPB out yet...
(*) Yes, yes, I know he started out not being rocky, and Byrne
revisited that for a while, but I'm on a roll. Deal with it!
OM
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grinningdemon
<Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I've enjoyed it so far...it's kind of silly at times and they
definitely play it fast and loose with continuity (assuming there
still is any continuity at DC) but it's a fun read...I just hope they
can keep it up.
whoswhoz
Continuity and Power Girl don't belong in the same sentence.
YKW (ad hoc)
news:6hkpi5l843q8hafi1...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:18:22 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:57:06 -0500, Brenda Clough
>><Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I just picked up #7 and it is hysterical. Amazing. Are previous
>>>issues as good?
>>>
>>>Brenda
Yes, yes, yes. Also suggest getting hold of the TERRA mini by the same
creative crew, as it ties in pretty heavily to what is being done in the
PG book.
>>I've enjoyed it so far...it's kind of silly at times and they
>>definitely play it fast and loose with continuity (assuming there
>>still is any continuity at DC) but it's a fun read...I just hope they
>>can keep it up.
>
> Continuity and Power Girl don't belong in the same sentence.
>
Every hole in her previous continuity has been patched.
Insert your own joke about her costume being unable to say the same.
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grinningdemon
wrote:
Well, apparently continuity and the Ultra Humanite don't belong in the
same sentence either.
Syvyn11
"Brenda Clough" <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I just picked up #7 and it is hysterical. Amazing. Are previous issues
> as good?
>
> Brenda
Pre-Crisis I hated Vartox, he was such a smug prig!
Brenda Clough
He is still a smug prig, but to see his home planet (the gogo boots!
the afros! the bead curtains!) explains his vest-and-bikini outfit
entirely. And PG can be relied upon to knock some sense into him.
Already she has got him to quit referring to himself in the third person!
Brenda
Lilith
Still don't like the outfit. Then or now.
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whoswhoz
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:16:50 -0500, whoswhoz <bobah...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:18:22 -0600, grinningdemon
>><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:57:06 -0500, Brenda Clough
>>><Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just picked up #7 and it is hysterical. Amazing. Are previous issues
>>>>as good?
>>>>
>>>>Brenda
>>>
>>>I've enjoyed it so far...it's kind of silly at times and they
>>>definitely play it fast and loose with continuity (assuming there
>>>still is any continuity at DC) but it's a fun read...I just hope they
>>>can keep it up.
>>
>>Continuity and Power Girl don't belong in the same sentence.
>
>Well, apparently continuity and the Ultra Humanite don't belong in the
>same sentence either.
Thanks to John Byrne.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:21:24 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:16:50 -0500, whoswhoz <bobah...@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:18:22 -0600, grinningdemon
>>><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:57:06 -0500, Brenda Clough
>>>><Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I just picked up #7 and it is hysterical. Amazing. Are previous issues
>>>>>as good?
>>>>>
>>>>>Brenda
>>>>
>>>>I've enjoyed it so far...it's kind of silly at times and they
>>>>definitely play it fast and loose with continuity (assuming there
>>>>still is any continuity at DC) but it's a fun read...I just hope they
>>>>can keep it up.
>>>
>>>Continuity and Power Girl don't belong in the same sentence.
>>
>>Well, apparently continuity and the Ultra Humanite don't belong in the
>>same sentence either.
>
>Thanks to John Byrne.
When did Byrne do anything with Ultra Humanite? I was referring to
the screwy new origin they gave him in Power Girl (which pretty much
retcons out most if not all of his previous appearances).
grinningdemon
wrote:
Well, I don't think you're supposed to like it now...since they're
poking fun at him and all.
grinningdemon
<FluffyM...@foxnews.com> wrote:
>whoswhoz <bobah...@comcast.net> wrote in
>news:6hkpi5l843q8hafi1...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:18:22 -0600, grinningdemon
>><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:57:06 -0500, Brenda Clough
>>><Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just picked up #7 and it is hysterical. Amazing. Are previous
>>>>issues as good?
>>>>
>>>>Brenda
>
>Yes, yes, yes. Also suggest getting hold of the TERRA mini by the same
>creative crew, as it ties in pretty heavily to what is being done in the
>PG book.
The Terra mini really didn't do anything for me because that character
just doesn't interest me.
OM
wrote:
>Still don't like the outfit. Then or now.
...Remember what Vartox is based on - Sean Connery in "Zardoz". If you
change the costume, the whole riff is ruined. Sometimes, Lil, there's
things you may not like that you simply have to accept. After all, it
could be worse - Vartox could have been based on Pee Wee Herman.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:11:47 -0600, Lilith <lili...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Still don't like the outfit. Then or now.
>
>...Remember what Vartox is based on - Sean Connery in "Zardoz". If you
>change the costume, the whole riff is ruined. Sometimes, Lil, there's
>things you may not like that you simply have to accept. After all, it
>could be worse - Vartox could have been based on Pee Wee Herman.
Don't even joke.
GordonD
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> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:11:47 -0600, Lilith <lili...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Still don't like the outfit. Then or now.
>
> ...Remember what Vartox is based on - Sean Connery in "Zardoz".
He even has the flying head now.
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Edinburgh, Scotland
"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."
whoswhoz
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Does Ultra-Humanite have any past post-Crisis appearances?
does he even have a post-crisis origin?
I remember Byrne doing a story where Ultra has his brain transferred
into his assistant's body and becomes Luthor. No idea whether that
was "in continuity" or not.
Brenda Clough
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:11:47 -0600, Lilith <lili...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Still don't like the outfit. Then or now.
>
> ...Remember what Vartox is based on - Sean Connery in "Zardoz". If you
> change the costume, the whole riff is ruined. Sometimes, Lil, there's
> things you may not like that you simply have to accept. After all, it
> could be worse - Vartox could have been based on Pee Wee Herman.
>
>
> OM
The other thing they have done in this current issue, is to supply a
sartorial context for Vartox's idiotic outfit. He rules a planet where
the girls where minis, gogo boots, and love beads, and the guys wear
afros, medallions and bell bottoms. Since it's a Planet of Fashion
Calamity, naturally his clothes are ridiculous.
Brenda
grinningdemon
wrote:
Ultra-Humanite played a big role in Geoff Johns' first JSA series and
my understanding is that his origin was more or less intact from the
old days (I know he had still been in Delores Winters' body at one
point)...either way, he had been around since the golden age and it
was a much better way to go.
>I remember Byrne doing a story where Ultra has his brain transferred
>into his assistant's body and becomes Luthor. No idea whether that
>was "in continuity" or not.
That was in Byrne's Superman/Batman: Generations Elseworlds...in
Johns' JSA, he had him transfer his brain into Johnny Thunder so that
he could take control of the Thunderbolt.
Lilith
wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:11:47 -0600, Lilith <lili...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Still don't like the outfit. Then or now.
>
>...Remember what Vartox is based on - Sean Connery in "Zardoz". If you
>change the costume, the whole riff is ruined. Sometimes, Lil, there's
>things you may not like that you simply have to accept. After all, it
>could be worse - Vartox could have been based on Pee Wee Herman.
>
>
> OM
Ummm. Never saw the movie "Zardoz." Now I know better than to do so.
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really offbeat stuff you might like it.
whoswhoz
wrote:
My recollection is that very few people have ever seen Zardoz. (I
have) A major bomb. Don't even think it's considered a cult classic.
Why Cary Bates based a comic character on him I don't know. Nor can I
really figure out why anybody wanted to bring him back. The issue was
funny though.
OM
wrote:
>My recollection is that very few people have ever seen Zardoz. (I
>have) A major bomb.
...At the time it was considered a bomb, but it did make its money
back.
> Don't even think it's considered a cult classic.
...Because its Sean Connery, and it's one of those early 70's sci-fi
films that attempted to tell a story as abstractly as possible so it
looked like some sort of foreign art poof flick. The best guess is
that John Boorman was trying to channel "Solaris", but wound up with
something even less comprehensible.
Of course, there was the whole origin of the name "Zardoz", the
revelation of which gained only half the groans that "Calima" did in
the "Planet of the Apes" regurgitation in 2001...
>Why Cary Bates based a comic character on him I don't know. Nor can I
>really figure out why anybody wanted to bring him back. The issue was
>funny though.
...Cary was a fan of the film at the time, IIRC. Consider it a fanfic
of sorts, pitting Superman against Zed. Note that Bates also pitted
Superman against Popeye in the form of Captain Strong.
Tim Turnip
I haven't read his new appearance, but I always remember Vartox fondly
as a recurring Bronze-Age Superman presence; it was nice for Lana Lang
to have a long-term (if perennially tragic) romance in her life other
than Superman, and Vartox, when written well, made for an interesting
look at an older Superman-like character who'd advanced to middle age
and evolved in his role as planetary protector. Plus, it was the '70s
-- no one noticed how ridiculous his outfit was!
Daibhid Ceanaideach
In fact, isn't Delores Winters herself now a villainess whose origin
story hinges on her role in Ultra's?
>>I remember Byrne doing a story where Ultra has his brain transferred
>>into his assistant's body and becomes Luthor. No idea whether that
>>was "in continuity" or not.
>
> That was in Byrne's Superman/Batman: Generations Elseworlds...in
> Johns' JSA, he had him transfer his brain into Johnny Thunder so that
> he could take control of the Thunderbolt.
There was also the U.L.T.R.A. Humanite, created by James Robinson in the
first story arc of LotDCU. AFAICR, there's no reason he and the original
Ultra-Humanite can't co-exist, although it does require the existence of
two entirely seperate Delores Winterses.
--
Dave
People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
grinningdemon
<daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
I think something like that happened in JSA Classified though I'd be
surprised if it ever comes up again.
>>>I remember Byrne doing a story where Ultra has his brain transferred
>>>into his assistant's body and becomes Luthor. No idea whether that
>>>was "in continuity" or not.
>>
>> That was in Byrne's Superman/Batman: Generations Elseworlds...in
>> Johns' JSA, he had him transfer his brain into Johnny Thunder so that
>> he could take control of the Thunderbolt.
>
>There was also the U.L.T.R.A. Humanite, created by James Robinson in the
>first story arc of LotDCU. AFAICR, there's no reason he and the original
>Ultra-Humanite can't co-exist, although it does require the existence of
>two entirely seperate Delores Winterses.
Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened...just ask Jim
Corrigan...or Kent Nelson.
Unknown
"Daibhid Ceanaideach" <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CE9725D2B27Bda...@130.133.4.11...
I think she was the villain behind the ridiculous power transplant storyline
in JSA Classified. (The one where Icemaiden SKIN was transplanted into the
villain to gain her powers.)
Lilith
No one??
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grinningdemon
wrote:
It was the 70s...by those standards for comic book costumes, his
outfit isn't THAT ridiculous...have you seen some of the awful
costumes from that era?
John Duncan Yoyo
He would't look that out of place in the Cockrum/Grell Legion.
grinningdemon
That was actually the first thing that popped into my head when I
started thinking about awful costumes of the era.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
I think she's in Cry For Justice, but checking this would involve
rereading it...
Mike B
>> He would't look that out of place in the Cockrum/Grell Legion.
> That was actually the first thing that popped into my head when
> I started thinking about awful costumes of the era.
Yeah. Hard to forget that Cosmic Boy costume that, IIRC,
they had to explain in the letter column once as containing
metallic particles so he could hold it on with his magnetic
powers.
I thought that one was a Grell design, but maybe because
I liked Cockrum on the Legion more than Grell.
Tim Turnip
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
And frankly, those Cockrum/Grell costumes were both cheesy and
awesome. I don't feel that artists have ever gotten the Legion
costumes visually "right" (they approached some degree of class
finally with the post-Zero-Hour reboot), but to me the '70s Legion
outfits, in their 30th century outrageousess, transcend their disco
floor origins to become truly cool. I can't help it, but my favorite
Phantom Girl wears bell-bottoms, Colossal Boy has a headband, and
Saturn Girl has bare shoulders. (I'll pass on the bare-chested Cosmic
Boy, but something probably needs to be left for the ladies.) Cockrum
also made sound, practical advances like streamlining Lightning Lad's
costume and making Karate Kid's white like a traditional martial
artist. Like he also did for the X-Men, Cockrum made the Legion
finally look sleek and sexy, at least compared to the standard of the
time, and a lot of elements he introduced are still present.